Do I have a 98 B18C or 96 B18C? shop might have ripped me off...

[splitter]

I got an engine swap done on my Civic 2 months ago by a shop in NSW, but I'm having doubts about if I got ripped off. I paid $7000 for the entire conversion.

The shop said it was 1998 B18C engine off a Honda Integra Type-R. I'm having second thoughts on if it's really a 1998 B18C-r, or if it's a 1996 B18C-r or even a 1996 B18C from the Integra SiR.

The valve cover is red and it's stamped with P73, so that means it's a Type-R engine. However, the ECU being used is a P72 OBD1, so that means the engine should be a 1996 B18C right?
The strange thing is that VTEC crosses over at 4500 rpm, and I read that is a characteristic of the JDM Integra SiR... :confused:

This is why I'm unsure whether if I really got the 1998 B18C-r, or if I was ripped off and got a 1996 B18C-r..

It makes really good power and I'm happy with how it drives, but just wanted to get this cleared up in my mind.

Any help would be appreciated!

[90LAN]

pics would be good
intake manifold will tell which motor you have

[splitter]

Thanks for that,
is there a specific stamp or mark on the intake manifold that I should be looking for?

[sinseven]

post pics.
will be easier to tell you

[splitter]

Hope you guys can tell from my pictures what engine mine is. Thanks!

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/ITRscsu/IMG_2510.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/ITRscsu/IMG_2513.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/ITRscsu/IMG_2516.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/ITRscsu/IMG_2515.jpg

[90LAN]

looks like a type r motor
can you take another pic just above the left hand side of the headers
just different throttle cable bracket in your pic

[splitter]

Hope these are the right pictures. if there's another angle you need, please let me know.

Is it possible to tell whether it is a 96 spec or 98 spec B18C Type-R?


http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/ITRscsu/IMG_2517.jpg

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/ITRscsu/IMG_2519.jpg

[vinnY]

i'm assuming it's an eg, so obd1
looks like they might be using the sir ecu with the type r motor if your crossover is indeed 4500rpm
98spec dc2r's were obd2a afaik so they couldn't use the original p73 ecu without a harness
anyone want to confirm whether 96spec dc2r's used obd1 or obd2a?

looking at the second last photo, on the head there appears to be a 98 so the head's at least a 98 afaik
edit; nevermind tiny photo so i'm wrong

[splitter]

96 spec ITRs were obd1.
i have a p72 ecu so that's why i thought i got a 96 spec B18C instead of the 98 spec which i was told i had.
:?:

[EGJOE]

Take a pic off close up of the stamped dials circled in red. 90LAN can read them tell you what year it is.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/coldasjoe/IMG_2517.jpg

[90LAN]

96 spec motor

yeah pretty much a type r
by lookign at it

[splitter]

Here's a shot of the cylinder head markings.

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/ITRscsu/IMG_2522.jpg

[splitter]

The first mark looks like a 9 / 6

:rolleyes:

[vinnY]

doh looks like lan's right
looks like a 96spec

[splitter]

Oh wells :(
At least I don't need to buy an OBD2A > OBD1 harness when I get a Hondata. :rolleyes:

Thanks everyone for the help!

[kraiye]

does it say 98 spec on your receipts??
back to the shop for an ass-woopin'!!

and are there date stamps on the block too?

[ECU-MAN]

every Type R engine I have seen is OBDIIa, I have never seen OBDI B18C


looks like they just connected a VTiR ECU to your car.

[GSi_PSi]

your spewing doesnt that mean 4.4 FD instead of 4.7? refund !

[Rkds]

yeh man back to the shop and time for an ass whopping
fair trading this shit.

what shop was it?
and do you know of any previous swaps that they have done

[bennjamin]

bevery Type R engine I have seen is OBDIIa, I have never seen OBDI B18C


looks like they just connected a VTiR ECU to your car.


EXACTLY right.

They simply connected a DOHC VTEC OBD1 ecu , since your car has OBD1 wiring.
What you need , is a OBD1 - OBD2a conversion harness to use the correct ECU. And add wires to it for knock , o2 vtec etc.

[mocchi]

update?? plus how does one read the stamps on the head? please do tell :D


http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/ITRscsu/IMG_2522.jpg

[EGJOE]

ask 90LAN

[Nismo3oi]

possible to name shop so nobody else gets ripped off?

[mocchi]

possible to name shop so nobody else gets ripped off?

not possible. possible to put on your sig "a shop jibbed me, pm me for shop name in [insert state/suburb]"

weird huh? i know.

[lil_foy]

possible to name shop so nobody else gets ripped off?

This is because of defamation.
If he openly names the forum the shop is free to come onto ozhonda and sue them for loss of sales and tbh I don't think you'll want to pay up for that.

To the op:
Go back to shop and show them it's a 96 spec.
Obviously you won't want the engine removed from the car because it's a hassle but try work out a deal.

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

This is because of defamation.
If he openly names the forum the shop is free to come onto ozhonda and sue them for loss of sales and tbh I don't think you'll want to pay up for that.

To the op:
Go back to shop and show them it's a 96 spec.
Obviously you won't want the engine removed from the car because it's a hassle but try work out a deal.

True but he can Pm people or people can take those 30 seconds out of their lives to message him.

Exactly....Go work something out, worst case scenario department of fair trading would be interested in this depending on the conditions of sale.

Also kings springs are awesome, get some thrown in.

[string]

Good luck to a shop attempting to prove defamation against a poster who simply describes a sequence of events. Naming names is not defamation.

[lil_foy]

Good luck to a shop attempting to prove defamation against a poster who simply describes a sequence of events. Naming names is not defamation.

Plain and simple if I was to post the following

Bridgestone at ******* ****ed me over they are shit, etc etc etc etc etc useless people never go there again etc.

They can sue, anything that can alter sales/reputation in a negative way is defamation.

*please note bridgestone has done nothing of the type to myself.

If he was to say, this shop gave me a 96 spec rather then a 98 spec but we worked out a deal and they admitted negligance and have refunded a certain amount of the price.

Then it shouldn't still be defamation, although advertising that they did stuff up can also alter their reputation.

[vinnY]

Good luck to a shop attempting to prove defamation against a poster who simply describes a sequence of events. Naming names is not defamation.

tell that to ocau (http://www.overclockers.com.au/defamation.shtml), zgeek (http://zgeek.com/) and whirlpool (http://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1753)

[bennjamin]

tell that to ocau (http://www.overclockers.com.au/defamation.shtml), zgeek (http://zgeek.com/) and whirlpool (http://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1753)


110% right.

People dont get it....it really IS better safe than sorry. WE as Ozhonda have YOu as members in our best interests. Censorship is brought on by events and situations , from members. Its protecting YOU as a member :)

[string]

tell that to ocau (http://www.overclockers.com.au/defamation.shtml), zgeek (http://zgeek.com/) and whirlpool (http://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1753)

Your argument does not follow.

Case 1: OCAU: "You are allowed to post messages which contain statements which you can prove in court are true". Post #27 agrees.

Case 3: WP: Defamation case on the basis of statements "that are both false and malicious". Irrelevant to this thread which pertains to a factual, truthful account of events.

And to quote a random legislation website: "Remember that just because a communication is insulting, annoying, false or damaging to someone’s business doesn’t meant that it is necessarily defamatory".

And to extend: The statement, "Bridgestone at ******* ****ed me over they are shit, etc etc etc etc etc useless people never go there again etc", is not necessarily defamatory either - as long as you include with the statement all the relevant facts (provable in court) which lead you to the opinion and you genuinely hold the opinion.

Since obviously, so few people have even read a single page about defamation legislation in Australia, I am in no way suggesting that the OP reveal the workshop at this time. It is however 100% false to suggest that defamation arises simply from describing a business transaction truthfully.

[bennjamin]

guys lets not dive too deep into this.

Fact is Ozhonda , will keep censoring possibly defaming comments now and forever to protect Our site and its members.

IF you want to know something...pm the OP. If you want to say something , add it as a post or your sig - for people to pm you.

[mocchi]

Your argument does not follow.

Case 1: OCAU: "You are allowed to post messages which contain statements which you can prove in court are true". Post #27 agrees.

Case 3: WP: Defamation case on the basis of statements "that are both false and malicious". Irrelevant to this thread which pertains to a factual, truthful account of events.

too bad this site is just cbf to deal with that stuff and prefer to play it safe.
if any.

i agree with you. defamation is only true when the statements are false and malicious. spoken or written.

[vinnY]

missing the point string, thread/replies posted by members of the forum and the owners get into strife
they'll just cry and say because of x members posting about my shop on x forums i've lost money and business over it

like benj says, better safe than sorry
if you wanna know about the shop pm the op otherwise it doesn't belong here

i think this thread can be closed before it gets any deeper, question answered and now it's up to the op to deal with the shop

[string]

missing the point string, thread/replies posted by members of the forum and the owners get into strife

If you intended to convey a message regarding forum owners getting in strife then your post should have looked much less like a rebuttal against mine. I can't miss a point that was never made.


missing the point string, thread/replies posted by they'll just cry and say because of x members posting about my shop on x forums i've lost money and business over it


If I say "I bought a computer from Bob's Computer shop and it arrived full of feces" and Bob loses business from my communication, then it is simply too bad for Bob - so long as I am fully capable of proving in court that my computer did indeed arrive filled with feces.



like benj says, better safe than sorry

I do not disagree.



if you wanna know about the shop pm the op otherwise it doesn't belong here

This I disagree with. If a post, sans identified parties, is defamatory in nature, or could be reasonably construed as defamatory (such as leaving out important information about the conclusions and opinions presented) then it is disgusting to condone it privately, but forbid it publicly simply to reduce the risk of legal liability. If the business was to [somehow] get hold of these private communications you've achieved nothing by publicly censoring identification.

Choose your words carefully, form logical and reasonable opinions and you avoid all problems in the first place.



i think this thread can be closed before it gets any deeper, question answered and now it's up to the op to deal with the shop
Indeed.

[UCNDRM]

i just hope the shop that did the conversion isnt one that comes highly recommended by other guys on here otherwise it would be a huge dissapointment....

but as long as everything is working really well and the job isnt dodgy, how much price dif would there be b/w a 96 and 98 model motor?

[TheSaint]

interested to see how this turns out ...

any news from the OP?

[splitter]

Sorry guys, been away for a week on business.
The consensus is that its a 96 ITR motor with probably some conversion harness for OBD2>OBD1 ECU?

I think the price difference between a 96 and 98 is around $2-2.5k from what I've seen on the classifieds.
I'm going to take a loss on this one and move on, so I don't want to name any names on a public forum. I just wanted to clear up my doubts on this one. But I will definitely tell the shop and see what they can do about it and hopefully they can give me some price breaks when it's time to upgrade my cylinder head.

Thanks to everyone who chimed in on this! Will post updates when I get any.

[wynode]

Glad you've made some progress on this splitter. If you want this opened up again PM a moderator.