Eg b16 question

[markgonzales3]

Hey guys jus wondering if its possible 2 get 12s on a eg with a b16a motor n/a with light weight reduction..how much would u spend 2 get in that time..? Or whats the best u can get if not 12secs

[bennjamin]

id see a b16a powered eg with ALOT of money spent on head work weight reduction tune etc. With full slicks it could do 12's. But it will not be a daily at all. IMO.

[90LAN]

i reackon 50k

[g_kn]

b16 ftl :p

[markgonzales3]

what about for a b18c7 ??? to run 12s ?

[bennjamin]

what about for a b18c7 ??? to run 12s ?

A similar amount of work - and Slicks. Not as much tho. Thats IMO again.

[dougie_504]

Yeah the B16 in an EG can run 12's with a full worked motor (valves, valve springs, retainers, camshafts, cam gears, port&polish, pistons, conrods etc) and of course your good old I/H/E.

I've seen full worked B16As make over 150kw atw N/A.

But if you wanna go down that path you're looking at $10-15,000 and once you're in that ball-park you may as well go for a H22A out of the Prelude Si (if you wanna run 1/4 miles). It won't corner as well as the 1.6 but it'll make 155kw at the crank and will set you back less than a B18C conversion at around $6000-7000 (also has LSD standard).


Hope this helps :)

[GSi_PSi]

Yeah the B16 in an EG can run 12's with a full worked motor (valves, valve springs, retainers, camshafts, cam gears, port&polish, pistons, conrods etc) and of course your good old I/H/E.

I've seen full worked B16As make over 150kw atw N/A.

But if you wanna go down that path you're looking at $10-15,000 and once you're in that ball-park you may as well go for a H22A out of the Prelude Si (if you wanna run 1/4 miles). It won't corner as well as the 1.6 but it'll make 155kw at the crank and will set you back less than a B18C conversion at around $6000-7000 (also has LSD standard).


Hope this helps :)

I would like to see these b16a's. :eek:
. to op.. it would be common sense if you spent on a bigger displacement bottom end which will end up costing less than trying to get a b16a eg n/a into 12's .

[4age8u]

b20 frank will be the way to go if you want to run 12s without spending $ on a k series

[dougie_504]

You'd have to ensure that the B20 bottom end is healthy and mates properly with the head. Then the engine will definitely need the previously mentioned head/bottom end work and suddenly the budget is $4500 for head work (valves, valve springs, retainers, port&polish, cam gears, camshafts, reco etc), another $3500-4500 for the bottom end (sourcing the bottom end, pistons, conrods etc), $2000-3000 for an engineering certificate and probably another $2000 for I/H/E.

So that's a good $12,000-14,000?


Whereas if you get a H22A from the Prelude Si that's already making 220HP at the crank and you'd get one for $4500 (WITH LSD!!) with $2500+/- for swap labour. Another $2000-3000 for certificate and another $2000 for I/H/E and you're looking at a total of around probably be making 140+ KW atw post tune.

So with the H22A you could probably save yourself a couple of grand and you'd make more power I believe, as well as have all that extra displacement to play with :)

[hussLEr]

^^ wah...$2-3k for an engineering cert?...maybe that's the price in melbourne?...

[GSi_PSi]

You'd have to ensure that the B20 bottom end is healthy and mates properly with the head. Then the engine will definitely need the previously mentioned head/bottom end work and suddenly the budget is $4500 for head work (valves, valve springs, retainers, port&polish, cam gears, camshafts, reco etc), another $3500-4500 for the bottom end (sourcing the bottom end, pistons, conrods etc), $2000-3000 for an engineering certificate and probably another $2000 for I/H/E.

So that's a good $12,000-14,000?


Whereas if you get a H22A from the Prelude Si that's already making 220HP at the crank and you'd get one for $4500 (WITH LSD!!) with $2500+/- for swap labour. Another $2000-3000 for certificate and another $2000 for I/H/E and you're looking at a total of around probably be making 140+ KW atw post tune.

So with the H22A you could probably save yourself a couple of grand and you'd make more power I believe, as well as have all that extra displacement to play with :)

So you have to buy a low kms healthy b20 then put more money into rebuilding it?. I dont know where you pulled that figure from but if you know were to go, a built b20 with cams,forged items shouldnt cost you more than say a ITR swap plus a few grand. And i know from experience, mates, cousins etc all have b20's.
A H22A isnt that simple, you will need engine mounts, new wiring work ,
shiftlinkage,etcc...

[dougie_504]

So you have to buy a low kms healthy b20 then put more money into rebuilding it?. I dont know where you pulled that figure from but if you know were to go, a built b20 with cams,forged items shouldnt cost you more than say a ITR swap plus a few grand. And i know from experience, mates, cousins etc all have b20's.
A H22A isnt that simple, you will need engine mounts, new wiring work ,
shiftlinkage,etcc...


In your opinion how much is an ITR swap plus a few grand?

$6000+/- for half cut, another $2000-3000 for labour + a 'few' grand (which I assume means $3000).

So that's about $11,000-12,000. Not far off the mark? Why you got your knickers in a knot over my post you homo?

[dougie_504]

^^ wah...$2-3k for an engineering cert?...maybe that's the price in melbourne?...


Yeah, unless you have somebody on the inside <lol>

The quotes I've received have indicated that price range and somebody I spoke to from VicRoads said the same :(


That said you can always re-stamp the B20 bottom with your old engine number so that it passes a glance-check but you wouldn't be able to sell the car in the future after you've tampered with it like that ;)

[fatboyz39]

B16a can run 12's but it'll need some serious stuff to get it there. If you just want to prove a point that a lil 1.6L can run 12's then go ahead.

H22a bang for buck no matter how you look at it.:thumbsup:

[90LAN]

d series turbo will runs 12's for a lot less
best bang for buck

[jords]

A 12 sec NA Honda regardless of the series of engine H, B or K is only achievable if your prepared to spend the $$$

[dougie_504]

d series turbo will runs 12's for a lot less
best bang for buck


Yeah one of the blokes on crxaustralia ran a sub-12 running like 30 PSI on a D16A8 :D

[4age8u]

$2000-3000 for an engineering certificate

we got 1 done for my cousins k24 for 80bux wtf with mod plate

[dougie_504]

$2000-3000 for an engineering certificate

we got 1 done for my cousins k24 for 80bux wtf with mod plate



Holy crud $80!?!? Man if that's possible I'm just gonna go B16/B20 no question LOL

[markgonzales3]

Holy crud $80!?!? Man if that's possible I'm just gonna go B16/B20 no question LOL

whats b16/b20 ??

[dougie_504]

whats b16/b20 ??


The top half of a B16A (the head) attached to the bottom half of B20 engine (from the Honda CRV).

So you basically have a 2 litre B16A VTEC engine = lots of low-end power :D

[GSi_PSi]

In your opinion how much is an ITR swap plus a few grand?

$6000+/- for half cut, another $2000-3000 for labour + a 'few' grand (which I assume means $3000).

So that's about $11,000-12,000. Not far off the mark? Why you got your knickers in a knot over my post you homo?

Im talking about everything including labour, so all up around 6 to 7 grand. How do i know, cause thats how much i was quoted to do an all out build. All you seem to do is talk a lotta crap about how much this costs and how much that costs, have you actually gone and done any of these things?. Or you just quoting outta your arse

[MikeyG]

research please thank you... dont spend your money on b16a NA... you can make more power with half that money on a turbo kit and abit of internals with a b16a..

or just go b20vtec.. i was going to say pm gsi psi but you pissed him off LOL

[dougie_504]

Im talking about everything including labour, so all up around 6 to 7 grand. How do i know, cause thats how much i was quoted to do an all out build. All you seem to do is talk a lotta crap about how much this costs and how much that costs, have you actually gone and done any of these things?. Or you just quoting outta your arse

Yes I'm planning to do these things and those are the quotes I'm looking at.

You said it would cost an ITR conversion plus a few grand. So how much were you quoted for an ITR conversion? The last 3 B18CRs I've seen for sale were $6000, $5500 and $6500 respectively.
Then you can factor in another $2000-3000 for labour and your supposed extra 'few grand' and you're looking at minimum $11,000.
That's what you said ---> B18CR conversion + a few grand!


And are you telling me you can get a built B20/VTEC Frank with head work including new valves, valve springs, retainers, cam gears, cam shafts, angle grinding, reconditioning, port & polish on the top of a machined & healthy B20 bottom with conrods and pistons etc for $6000-7000? If that's the case please contact me with details so that I can arrange for one myself. I was quoted $9000 (parts and labour) for a fully built & reconditioned B16/B20 engine, not including engineering cert.

[GSi_PSi]

i will give you the information on purchasing (ie parts,etc) all you need to complete your b20 everything, but your in melbourne so labour+building your going to have go your own, unless you wanna head down to sydney.

[markgonzales3]

i will give you the information on purchasing (ie parts,etc) all you need to complete your b20 everything, but your in melbourne so labour+building your going to have go your own, unless you wanna head down to sydney.

Can you give me information aswel .. hey i did post this thread lol soo many arguing and stuff in this lol funny.

gsi psi pls send me some info