Coilovers

[blabla]

Hi,

Looking at getting coilovers. Looking at a coilover that can provide handling, looks, comfort and ease of use.

Does anyone have suggestions, I have a Ej8 Civic Coupe.

[96VTi-R]

I have cusco Zero2's in my dc2 and imo they are great for a car that's daily driven, handles great, can drop the car on its balls, and the 5 step adjustable damper is easy to use.

But do a search theirs plenty of people that have asked this question before.

[blabla]

I have cusco Zero2's in my dc2 and imo they are great for a car that's daily driven, handles great, can drop the car on its balls, and the 5 step adjustable damper is easy to use.

But do a search theirs plenty of people that have asked this question before.

I just spent almost 2days of looking on this forum but there is not enough info. Just got a price on the Cusco Sport Zero 1 $2100, been prices on the BC racing coilover from wholesale sussy $1100.

[jks24]

look at the skunk2 pro series coilovers mate, either pro s or pro c. I got the pro c's in my EM1, really good coilover for track use if you plan on doing that kinda thing in the future :thumbsup:

[SiReal]

I use Zero 2s. get second hand from import wreckers like j-imports.

If u go for another brand, just make sure u get Dual height adjustment

[blabla]

Cool is there anymore suggestions?

[MRK20CRX]

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CUSCO Zero 2 is what i'm running, please stay away from Tein, you can look into K Sport, JIC Magic C/Overs, or like others have suggested, Skunk 2 is good quality, with good prices too. But if you want the ultimate in handling and comfort, Koni Yellow/Ground Control coilovers are the way to go i have to say

[F.O.B Squad]

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CUSCO Zero 2 is what i'm running, please stay away from Tein, you can look into K Sport, JIC Magic C/Overs, or like others have suggested, Skunk 2 is good quality, with good prices too. But if you want the ultimate in handling and comfort, Koni Yellow/Ground Control coilovers are the way to go i have to say

What's wrong with TEIN's?? Why you state to "stay away" from them??
I have the Type Flex install in my dc2 and they're great no troubles.

[MRK20CRX]

because Teins are overated, there are much better quality with cheaper price tags than Teins, that have more function and control, i'm not bagging them, i'm just saying i wouldn't prefer them, don't get me wrong they are an awesome coilover, but there are better coilovers out there

[F.O.B Squad]

Fair enough... thats your opinion although the same could be said about Buddy Clubs, Cusco amongst others.

[MRK20CRX]

yeh you're right, i guess nothing competes with ZEAL

[beeza]

What do you guys think of the BC N+ Coilover?

[phat_nam87]

im running cusco zero2's in my dc2 also.

Perfect for street, and 5 step adjustable damper is awesome!

highly recommended..

[jks24]

What do you guys think of the BC N+ Coilover?

i was going to get them as ive heard they are a very good setup for the street and beginner track. Probably would be good for OP

[jks24]

what kinda budget are you looking at anyways OP for your coilovers?

[anfo2gig]

What about T1R?

[cymax]

BC N+ is really good for street and beginner track users. I'm currently running it on my dc2. Comfortable for street and good stiffness adjustment for track.

[SiReal]

i have zero2s, and the easy 5 step damper adjust is fantastic. Used flex and SS before, and the damper adjust is not definitive enough, and to be honest, not well thought out enough (i.e. there are over 30 clicks, but u cant use the last 15 or so because it will damage the shocker - why enable that functionality then?)

[blabla]

"JKS24 what kinda budget are you looking at anyways OP for your coilovers?"


I dont really have one because i am trying to find a balance in cost & performance.

[sretocz]

JIC MAGIC FLT TAR are awesome, but hard and you might not like the ride quality, spring rates of f 16k, and the r 8k (on a dc2r) if i remember correct and 15 step damper adjust. They arent big on Honda tech and most of the mericans reckon they are shit, but from what Ive heard they have a good reputation in japan.

[Sydneykid]

I’m not big fan of Japanese springs and shocks, for a number of reasons;
1. Japanese roads are, in general, constructed in entirely different method to Australian roads. They don’t generally use course gravel for the road base like we do.
2. Japanese race tracks are constructed quite differently to Australian race tracks. We use fine gravel as the base whereas Japanese race tracks are mostly tarmac.
3. The average Japanese road is maintained far better than the average Australian road.
4. The Japanese buyer of aftermarket suspension expects, in fact demands, that the ride be very firm. They want to feel that the suspension has been upgraded, they believe that the harder their car’s suspension feels the better it must handle.
5. Mechanics labour rates in Japan are unbelievably high, it’s not unusual for a specialist workshop to charge $500 an hour for mechanical work.
6. They don’t have our history of specialist suspension workshops, where the use and effect of anti roll bars, caster, camber, toe, anti dive and anti squat geometry is well entrenched.

Keeping all of the above in mind, it becomes obvious why Japanese coil overs are the way they are. They have to fit perfectly, the first time, quickly and they must come with every necessary part, after all you wouldn’t want a guy at $500 an hour looking around for the right size nuts and bolts. The coil overs have to do the whole job, even though it isn’t technically the best solution. At $500 an hour you can’t afford for the mechanic to be fitting coil overs, then swaybars, then alignment products and then doing a complex wheel alignment. You would end up with a mechanics bill many times the cost of the parts.

The fact is we don’t have roads that good, if fact many Japanese road use coil over kits come with spring and damper rates higher than what we run in our race cars. Our suspension mechanics don’t charge $500 an hour and are exposed to the more technically correct methods of getting a car to handle, rather than simply chucking in a set of rock hard coil overs.


So next time you are faced with the choice of 8 kg/mm springs for you Honda or 12 kg/mm springs, don’t fall for rubbish that the higher spring rate will make your car handle better. The fact is you don’t have to put up lousy ride comfort to have a car that handles well.


Cheers
Gary

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got a price on the Cusco Zero 2E $2490 and for the Electronic in-car Controller to Control the Damper is $590 from RMS Motor Parts.

[fatboyz39]

BC coilovers(Not buddy club). About $1200-$1500 NEW and comes with warranty.

[blabla]

I can get them for abt 1100 but i havent herd much about them. The Cusco Zero 2 seem to be very popular. What are some other resellers of them?

[hondar]

have you look at tanabe sussy?
http://www.jdmconcept.com.au/index.php?option=com_jdm&p=detail&vid=29&cid=41

ozhonda members have bought them

- damper adjustable
- height adjustable
- pillow mount included
- very comfortable ride

[EGJOE]

zeals always leak have recon two sets in the past not much support locally. Cusco are nice but no local support either.
buddyclub has local support as well as tein and skunk but for the moneyvs quality buddyclub wins hands down ecspecially with handling packages on offer.
Dont buy second hand not worth it when you end up having to recon 6 months down the track.

[beeza]

Are they still comfortable though Joe I love ride comfort..

[blabla]

this is how low the car is atm. I want coilovers that can go that low. The front i want to raise.

[MRK20CRX]

damn man, $2490, i paid $1600 with dc2r LCA's not too long ago second hand, but they've only been used for 2000kms, check out what K Sport has aswell man

[EGJOE]

Are they still comfortable though Joe I love ride comfort..

Personal preference I guess. I have bc racing spec and i'm quite happy with them. Cheapo coil overs have cheap crap shocks thats the main difference, you can get high spring rates but with crap shocky waste of time.

[blabla]

Just got a price for the BuddyClub N+ for $1699 from bellgarage that does seems like a good price. But I still dont know about them.

Would any1 be able to tell me the spring rates

also was told that the cusco zero 2E only go 70mm lower is this correct?

[MRK20CRX]

Zero 2 goes lower than 70mm man, you tuck the tyre with zero 2s, but u won't lose suspension stroke, Buddy Club N+ is one down from Buddy Club Racing spec damper, buddy club has a very good reputation, they're pretty much the same as Tein Super streets, but stiffer

[VTECMACHINE]

Don't get BuddyClub Racing Spec... they are absolutally crap.

N+ are good though.

I have Zeals on my DC2 - and they are amazing. Tein monoflex are sweet aswell. There are so many choices...

[blabla]

Don't get BuddyClub Racing Spec... they are absolutally crap.

N+ are good though.

I have Zeals on my DC2 - and they are amazing. Tein monoflex are sweet aswell. There are so many choices...

Your telling me I don't know which ones to get. Though I wanna go lower then 70mm without any problems.

[blabla]

Im just going to go the Buddy Club N+.

[VTECMACHINE]

It's recommended you don't lower your car more than 55mm with out RCA's. But meh, yeah N+'s are good value for money I reakon.

[Lukey]

Where do you reccomend getting coilovers from, Gary?

[blabla]

It's recommended you don't lower your car more than 55mm with out RCA's. But meh, yeah N+'s are good value for money I reakon.


RCA's Rear control arms :S dont know the short terms lol. Found some for 149.00 or Function 7 for 420. Control arms are same manufacture with Skunk 2 & Blox

[MRK20CRX]

get dc2r LCA's, and front forks, make sure the coilovers you get are for a dc2r though, not sure what the size difference is between dc2r lca and your civic lca, but you should be able to go lower with a tiny bit more negative camber with dc2r lca

[cymax]

RCA's Rear control arms :S dont know the short terms lol. Found some for 149.00 or Function 7 for 420. Control arms are same manufacture with Skunk 2 & Blox

I think Rix is referring to Rear Camber Arms ie: Camber Kit.

[Sydneykid]

Where do you reccomend getting coilovers from, Gary?

On Hondas I use a lot of Koni or Bilstein, with Eibach coil springs for road/track day cars. For 100% race cars I use MCA (nee Proflex), Swedish Ohlins (never Japanese Ohlins, Yamahas) or Boge/Sach. I like Penskes but they are very tricky to get right, they have a small window, so you need to be right on your game all the time to get them dialed in.


For the guys thinking super low (more than 55 mm) I asume you know that you will you lose around 8 hp through the exagerated drive shaft angles.


Cheers
Gary

[blabla]

Are the buddy club n+ quiet? I have just been to a tyre place to replace a tyre on grandfathers car and I asked how much it would be fit coilovers $300 bux incl wheel alignment etc. I asked him about the buddy clubs and he said they are a top coil over. He just finished installing a set onto n15 an he goes that he got a knock coming down the driveway could this be that the spring isnt sitting right or what???

[tmy]

Are the buddy club n+ quiet? I have just been to a tyre place to replace a tyre on grandfathers car and I asked how much it would be fit coilovers $300 bux incl wheel alignment etc. I asked him about the buddy clubs and he said they are a top coil over. He just finished installing a set onto n15 an he goes that he got a knock coming down the driveway could this be that the spring isnt sitting right or what???
Sounds to me like the spring isn't in the uppper pillow mount.

When i put mine in the springs didn't reach the upper pillow mount so we had to lower the jack slowly to line up the springs properly.

The mechanic says its a common oocurance that people don't line them up and come to them wondering what the noise is.

[blabla]

what other coilover can be services here in australia? Tein and what else

[blabla]

Just a few prices on some tien mono flex, type flex Bc racing 2 models (BR & ER) & Koni Coilovers.

Wholesale Sussy Price's:
Tein monoflex - $3900
Tein Tye Flex - $ around the same as above
BC Racing - BR-$1200 ER-$1600
Koni Coilovers - $3200

[blabla]

I email perfect run the other day and they are all telling me that i cant get any coilover kits dumb ass.

as per perfect run
We double checked with manufacturers if those are available for Civic Coupe, but they said none of the suspension kits are available for Civic Coupe.

this is even after telling them thats its the same and em1 ek coupe.

[blabla]

Is K sport better then Buddy club?

[beeza]

I would say No from what I understand.BC are better.

[SiReal]

I think you are putting a bit too much thought into the life span of this coilover.

Heres another viewpoint. If you are buying brand new, ensure it has a warranty. Most problems with most things , if made with a large defect should show in the early period of use. I know someone who received two brand new blown K-sport coils, but managed to get them replaced under warranty. Don't get defect issues confused with lifecycle issues.

Whether or not they are serviceable, a coil will have a shelf life of ~50 to 60,000 kms. But obviously less if they are run daily on mega hard setting.

So if you get a cheap-ish coil costing $1500 or below, use it for 3 to 4 years, then get another new set. Don't bother about re-serviceing them. By then, technologies would've changed and no doubt probably your car as well. Reservicing coils ain't cheap as well (probably cost 75% of the total cost of a new set @$1200ish).

The most important thing IMO, is the warranty which will keep you safe for around 1 year, where most of the 'teething problems' occur. Also, BC racing coils ,etc, will probably meet your needs as a street driven consumer.

[blabla]

Can any1 tell me the differences between the Skunk2 Pro C Vs Buddyclub N+. Bar the price

[Sydneykid]

I think you are putting a bit too much thought into the life span of this coilover.
Why shouldn't he? I, for one, have no idea how long he intends to keep his car. My current car is 14 years old and I have no intention of selling it right now, so why shouldn't I seek decent warranty?




Heres another viewpoint. If you are buying brand new, ensure it has a warranty. Most problems with most things , if made with a large defect should show in the early period of use. I know someone who received two brand new blown K-sport coils, but managed to get them replaced under warranty. Don't get defect issues confused with lifecycle issues.
Absolutely, warranty is there for both defective manufacture and short life components. How many time have we all had items with 12 months warranty fail at 13 months? That's not defective manufacture, that's poor design or deliberate short life specification.





Whether or not they are serviceable, a coil will have a shelf life of ~50 to 60,000 kms. But obviously less if they are run daily on mega hard setting.
So how come Bilsteins have a lifetime warranty?





So if you get a cheap-ish coil costing $1500 or below, use it for 3 to 4 years, then get another new set. Don't bother about re-serviceing them.
I assume you mean shocks not coil springs, since coil springs can't really be serviced. I can get my Bilsteins serviced for $160 per shock, that's a whole lot less than buying new ones.




By then, technologies would've changed and no doubt probably your car as well.
Not true, its very very rare for a shock manufacturer to update a shock design, they design it once and then sell it. Tooling is far to expensive and aftermarket sales too small to justify new R&D and therefore new tooling being applied halfway through the car model's life.




Reservicing coils ain't cheap as well (probably cost 75% of the total cost of a new set @$1200ish).
True if you buy crap in the first place.




The most important thing IMO, is the warranty which will keep you safe for around 1 year, where most of the 'teething problems' occur.
One year warranty is OK to protect you from faulty manufacture but it does nothing to protect you from poor design or deliberate obsolescence.



Also, BC racing coils ,etc, will probably meet your needs as a street driven consumer.
Just the use of the term "Racing" for a street use product would turn me off.


Cheers
Gary

[blabla]

SKUNK2 PRO-C $1599 - I am going to go with these.

[blabla]

Sydneykid - Why shouldn't he? I, for one, have no idea how long he intends to keep his car. My current car is 14 years old and I have no intention of selling it right now, so why shouldn't I seek decent warranty?


I will be turning the car into a show car soon thats why I am looking for something worth while buying.

[Lukey]

if ur making it a show car, why not get airbags?

[Sydneykid]

I will be turning the car into a show car soon thats why I am looking for something worth while buying.

if ur making it a show car, why not get airbags?
If you are turning it into a 100% show car then no need for suspension at all, 2 sets of 4 x 2 will do, one taller set for trailering and one shorter set for showing. Much cheaper than springs and shocks, and if you want to lower its some more just get out the cross cut saw.

Cheers
Gary

[blabla]

if ur making it a show car, why not get airbags?

I can enquiry I could prob get at a very good price. But I'm not one to go overboard