f24c build

[F20C]

Looking for an f24c build and somewhere i can source out the stroker kit.. and anything else i might possibly need for an upgrade..

[ludecrs]

The cost isn't warented against the returns.

Mase Kit > Stroker Kit.

[stndrd]

toda 2.35 stroker is around $8500 for the bottom end
toda 2.4 stroker is around $11000 for the bottom end

adrian from toda was saying there is a 1mm or 2mm difference in stroke between the 2.35 and 2.4 cranks and thats why there is the difference in price. cant remember what he said about power difference, as it was about 4 or 5 months ago i spoke to him about it, tho i doubt it would be noticable.

not sure how much other stroker kits cost.

you also have to allow for cams, oil pump, machining etc

[NVD52K]

i was going to do a 2.2 stroker kit build before all toda parts, with itbs cams etc. the kit itself you need to get 87.5 pistons so you dont need to sleeve the block you need head work and cams spec A is enough they reckon spec b or c is overkill

[hotdc2]

toda 2.35 stroker is around $8500 for the bottom end
toda 2.4 stroker is around $11000 for the bottom end



That is a ridiculous amount of money. Stupid!

I don't care if it's Toda or not.

[TODA AU]

Looking for an f24c build and somewhere i can source out the stroker kit.. and anything else i might possibly need for an upgrade..
We can sort you out there.

The cost isn't warented against the returns.
Mase Kit > Stroker Kit.
LOL... I need a translator.... A mase what?

toda 2.35 stroker is around $8500 for the bottom end
toda 2.4 stroker is around $11000 for the bottom end

2.35L kit current pricing is $6600 - delivered incl GST
& the 2.4L kit is $10,550 - delivered incl GST
2.4L kit uses a special billet crankshaft.
The 2.35kit uses a modified OEM forged crankshaft.

....you need head work and cams spec A is enough they reckon spec b or c is overkill
And yet B's & C's work...
The key is combination... Should be a mantra

That is a ridiculous amount of money. Stupid!

I don't care if it's Toda or not.
From your perspective yes, you're right.
But from someone else's perspective the product is good value...
It's just not for you.

[F20C]

Wow thanks for the replies! Kinda opended my eyes in the price range area haha. TODA whats the power difference like from the 2.35l to the 2.4l? Is it something noticable? and does anyone know of any "problems" stroking an f20c can lead to? Like i've heard of alot of troubles with f/i which has steered me clear of f/i and wanting to stay n/a..

[JAP-S2K]

Seriously $10K+ with minor power increases. Spend your money on light weight parts and part removal. Power:Weight works and you'll still retain the factory reliability.
Lotus live by this rule, and put simply it works.

[F20C]

Seriously $10K+ with minor power increases. Spend your money on light weight parts and part removal. Power:Weight works and you'll still retain the factory reliability.
Lotus live by this rule, and put simply it works.

I know its alot of money.. but i've seen how it improves throughout the whole rev range.. imo 2.4 > lightweight parts lol. Wouldnt i be replacing those parts quite often? and the grunt of a 2.4 is sexy lol.

[Kawasaki]

you can use a crankshaft from a k24. There is some info on the internet.

Edit: here is a link - http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0609turp_honda_f20c_stroker_build/index.html

[ludecrs]

Two of the guys up here in QLD are stroked.

One is a 2.5L stroker with a turbo bolted on for good measure.

The other is a 2.4L stroker. On a casual mountain run, I was behind him, and I'd say we were relatively equal in terms of torque. Don't ask me about HP because it was a casual mountain drive, hardly any time to stretch the legs of the F20.

[ludecrs]

LOL... I need a translator.... A mase what?

Mase Turbo Kit from Mase Engineering in the USA.

Good for 450-500 rwhp, pretuned AEM ecu, and all necessary bolt on RHD parts landed at your door for about $8K.

[TODA AU]

Seriously $10K+ with minor power increases. Spend your money on light weight parts and part removal. Power:Weight works and you'll still retain the factory reliability.
Lotus live by this rule, and put simply it works.

Power to weight is what propells all sports machines into peoples dreams,
But, the fact is your S2K is not a Lotus.
To get that sort of power to weight with no improvement in power,
You're going to need a lot more than $10K.
Carbon doors, carbon roof, hood etc...
& still you'd struggle to get under the ton...
Doing all that, & leaving it stock? LOL... Ok...

As for minor power increase,
This again is a perspective thing.

[TODA AU]

Mase Turbo Kit from Mase Engineering in the USA.

Good for 450-500 rwhp, pretuned AEM ecu, and all necessary bolt on RHD parts landed at your door for about $8K.

:thumbsup: thanks... :p

[JAP-S2K]

Power to weight is what propells all sports machines into peoples dreams,
But, the fact is your S2K is not a Lotus.
To get that sort of power to weight with no improvement in power,
You're going to need a lot more than $10K.
Carbon doors, carbon roof, hood etc...
& still you'd struggle to get under the ton...
Doing all that, & leaving it stock? LOL... Ok...

As for minor power increase,
This again is a perspective thing.

You're having a dig? yeah! The 10k+ i mentioned was for your stroker kit. LOL.
Did i say an S2K was a Lotus??? I said Lotus use this very simply method. Which does work!
Don't worry i'm aware of the total cost of building an all out F24C especially from TODA, especially when you include all the other parts required needed to support an all out build, correct me if i'm wrong but 30K+ and now we're starting to get somewhere.
Of course it's in your interest for every person who walks throw your door to spend a packet, that's how buisnesses are run.
As for a minor power increase and you saying it's a perspective thing, are you attempting to justify the idiotic price tag that comes with a full build with MINOR power increases. Nice one!

[jaeyon]

10k for small gains isnt worth it imo. turbo kits can be had quite cheaply now, the greddy kit is roughly 4.5k shipped. will only net you around 300hp (~200kw?) but its still heaps for a small car like the s.

thats what im hoping to get next year

[ludecrs]

Guys, chillax. lol.

[TODA AU]

You're having a dig? yeah! The 10k+ i mentioned was for your stroker kit. LOL.
Did i say an S2K was a Lotus??? I said Lotus use this very simply method. Which does work!
Don't worry i'm aware of the total cost of building an all out F24C especially from TODA, especially when you include all the other parts required needed to support an all out build, correct me if i'm wrong but 30K+ and now we're starting to get somewhere.
Of course it's in your interest for every person who walks throw your door to spend a packet, that's how buisnesses are run.
As for a minor power increase and you saying it's a perspective thing, are you attempting to justify the idiotic price tag that comes with a full build with MINOR power increases. Nice one!

Having a dig? Why do I bother?
I agreed with you in that you’re right about the S2K needing to go on a diet for better power to weight.
But my point was the car is tubby & quite expensive to lighten to a point were a realistic benefit is realised.
& so, on balance, the stroker kit isn’t such bad value at all, particularly in 2.35L form.
Seriously, rather than huff & puff … Just do the maths…
The car weighs in at 1275kg stock…
Factory power to weight is 7.12kg : kw
Drop the cars weight to 1000kg & it’s 5.58kw : kg which is not bad.
But for a similar amount, a 2.35L kit with some fruit can deliver 5.51kw : kg at standard weight.
Now do both… Drop the weight out of the car & up the grunt, with very little effort you’re on 4.32kw : kg

The comment about perspective is nothing like your twisted take.
Rather it’s just about your perception.
You & likely some other members seem to be under the impression that a well built 2.4L F20C will only deliver a minor power increase. And the premium price tag that this “minor increase” comes at is a complete rip off.

Others have a different perspective.
That is that the power increase is better than average with high durability.
Availability is good & at an acceptable price.
If you’re going to modify an F20C & keep it normally aspirated, it’s a logical step.

Anyway…
Put this thread back on topic.

[joyride]

jap-s2k, toda is trying to tell the thread creator the facts about a stroker kit. he's not pushing his business onto the thread creator so you dont need to be assuming thats what hes trying to do.
i'm with you on this one, i would rather go light weight then spend money on engine mods but to each their own. its a perspective thing. lol.

[NVD52K]

from my experience i spent 18k on parts and never installed them so its really up to the person who wants to spend the money to make there car unique

[Ferrari]

why spend all that and not go through with it?

[mr_vtec]

cause he has a something wrong up there .. lol

[NVD52K]

why spend all that and not go through with it?

yeah i had a brain snap, then after that i thought maybe i should sell the products instead lol i dont think its worth it id rather put deposit on a house

[F20C]

lol well my f24c build wont be going ahead. :(

[Age_S2000]

lmao F20C every time i come on here you always have these great new ideas/projects you wanna do....
are you a gonna or a do'er lmao pick one n stick to you plans bro other wise nothin gets done lol

[drsilliez]

cut him some slack. he lost his car

[F20C]

Well age i did some searching and the f24c was a long term cheaper upgrade compared to a turboed f20c. Which is why i changed to upgrading to an f24c. And nothing is happening now considering i have no car. And thanks drsilliez

[hotdc2]

what happened to your car champ?

[jaeyon]

it got stolen

[hotdc2]

oh thats low.


fk scum

[F20C]

yep gone forever :(

[Zilli]

^ wow now thats an impressive dollar figure... does this include intercooler etc?