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Lukey13
26-10-2009, 10:29 AM
Well, it's time to say goodbye to my beloved Euro Luxury. So I thought I'd share my experience with the Euro...

Why a Honda?
I'd always loved the look of the Euro and I still think it's one of the best looking cars on the road. While I had been impressed by my brothers Prelude VTi-R (love the VTEC), it wasn't until I inadvertently test drove one that I decided to jump in and buy one.

Thoughts and opinions on options and modifications...
At the time of purchase it was an alternative to purchasing a used BMW 325i (being the most powerful 6 cylinder manual - as the 330i was auto only). However, I opted for a brand new Euro fully decked out. I opted for the full body kit and spoiler (controversial, I know) as the car looked so much better with the body kit - a much better street presence. I also went for the interior silver kit - which I thought also makes the interior look much sportier than the regular all-black look. Aftermarket metal door sills marked Honda Accord Euro look OEM and also added class, I thought. I ended up with the Honda Multimedia player (MP3) really because the dealer through it in for free after I bought the car as he'd promised MP3 compatibility. I definitely wouldn't have paid $1,000 for this otherwise.

I also eventually put on a Whiteline rear sway bar, which I highly recommend as a must-do suspension modification - it really makes the steering more neutral and the handling much flatter with less body-roll. The only other aftermarket item I went for was the Comptech Icebox air-intake. I don't think this made much more than a couple of extra horses, however it did improve throttle response slightly. But more importantly it opened up the breathing of the engine and made a lovely growl when at WOT and high revs. No real difference in sound at partial throttle, which was important to me.

I suppose the biggest option I went for in the Euro was the $3,000 sat-nav. I know some will espouse that a $200 aftermarket Tom-Tom will do a better job, but I think they miss the point of the integrated Honda unit which is still reputed as one of the best OEM setups around. I reckon this system made the whole dash layout look so much classier and more sophisticated. The touch screen was great for adjusting audio controls, air-con and even playing around with the calendar and calculator functions!! It just looks fantastic and is really easy to use. I think the standard stereo and controls just looks plain boring.

Will I miss the Euro?
Short answer is, yes. It is such an attractive machine and the build quality in the Euro is very good - although not as good as some Germans, it outclasses just about everything else a long way. I think the body kit, the sat-nav and the silver interior kit transform the car into something special. The six speed manual transmission is a joy to use and is essential in a car that needs a few revs on board to get going. I do love the sound of the engine - especially with the Comptech Icebox - and I get a real thrill from pushing the engine into the high-rev zone where it seems to just thrive! THe Euro is definitely no rocket ship and has substantially less power than my previous car and my next car, but in some ways that makes it easier to rev the engine a bit harder to get the great sound without exceeding the speed limit straight away, if you know what I mean.

Did I pay too much for options? Yes, perhaps. But I had that much to spend ($50.5k drive away) and I feel that the car was much classier looking as a result. So I got my money's worth I suppose. In terms of resale - obviously you're not going to recoup the full cost of those options (selling on Carsales for $34k) , but that's what you've got to expect when loading up on options.

What else will I miss?
I just loved having the sunroof for those nice, sunny days. Even in a hot climate, the heated leather seats were fantastic in winter. Xenons... I could not have a new car without these now. They are amazing and look great too.

Moving on now...
I'm moving onto a brand new Volkswagen Golf R32. The narrow-angle V6 in a stealth-looking (and even boring/mild looking) little hatchback is very cool. The noise it emits is amazing and this combined with strong, linear power delivery though four wheels is utterly addictive.
However, I will always hold fond feelings for my Accord Euro Luxury. And we haven't left the Honda family altogether as my wife has a brand new one now too!

burak213
26-10-2009, 10:37 AM
nice..

tenji`
26-10-2009, 12:44 PM
you will be very happy in the golf r32 as i still miss mine

HunterZero
26-10-2009, 12:47 PM
Looks pretty clean. How many kays did you travel in it?

- HZ

Lukey13
26-10-2009, 01:05 PM
you will be very happy in the golf r32 as i still miss mine

Yeah, I think the R32 is a very special and unique car. Not that it matters too much to me, but I think it will hold its value reasonably well for this reason. As nice as the next Golf R will be, the two litre turbo just won't sound and feel the same as that lovely V6.

Lukey13
26-10-2009, 01:08 PM
Looks pretty clean. How many kays did you travel in it?

- HZ

I have done 37,000km so far and I'm not likely to do too many more as I should have the R32 pretty soon and I won't really be driving the Euro very much until it is sold.

felixd
26-10-2009, 04:05 PM
:D keep moving on n never turn back :D ive used to want to swap the euro with r32 but from the fuel consumption side its going to drink alot more than the euro.

The X Man
26-10-2009, 10:55 PM
We have an R32 at work and in my view it's overrated. If you think the Accord Euro's rattle wait until the R32 does, it drives you mad!

Ken-f
26-10-2009, 11:14 PM
You are just one extremely fussy person.

The X Man
26-10-2009, 11:21 PM
Damn straight!

Ken-f
27-10-2009, 12:07 AM
So what car DON'T you have a problem with? lol

The X Man
27-10-2009, 07:43 AM
I bought my wife a new Mitsubishi Lancer for 21K back in 2006 which has done 36,000kms now. It's never had a warranty claim and not a single rattle in it anywhere.

It's quite amusing when you go against all the odds and come out a winner. It could also be said that the more you spend the more chances of having problems with your car too!

Lukey13
27-10-2009, 08:01 AM
We have an R32 at work and in my view it's overrated. If you think the Accord Euro's rattle wait until the R32 does, it drives you mad!

I think you're right. I've made the wrong decision. Even worse I've just discovered that one of the edges of the underside of the fuel release lever beside the driver's door has slightly more texture than the other side. That just totally ruins the car for me. Who cares about engine, drivetrain and how the car feels to drive. The car is a failure!!

Seriously though, the build quality of the Euro is Honda's finest and very good indeed. But it's not in the same league as the German carmakers - and especially Audi and VW who are at the top in terms of build quality.

Also, I defy any Euro owner who has driven a Mk5 R32 (not the old ones) can honestly admit that the R32 is not an utterly addictive and satisfying drive. Come on now, I love the Euro and I am giving it a really good rap and always will respect it. It's a much better looking car than the R32, but the way it drives is in a completely different league.

But to get back on track, this forum is about respecting the almighty Euro. :honda:

Ken-f
27-10-2009, 10:37 AM
I bought my wife a new Mitsubishi Lancer for 21K back in 2006 which has done 36,000kms now. It's never had a warranty claim and not a single rattle in it anywhere.


But that's because your wife is driving it most of the time!
But yes, I had an old mitsubishi, never had many problems at all.

HunterZero
27-10-2009, 10:44 AM
Actually if we talk about build quality in terms of least warranty issues and reliability, the best are Mazda, Honda and Subaru, with Toyota a distant fourth.

VW and Audi make quality interiors, if that's what floats your boat. VW is apparently not so great for the fault rate per car. They may be German, but VW is a long way behind Porsche.

- HZ

unity
27-10-2009, 11:55 AM
Nice car, but I'd go for the Gti. You are paying an extra 10-15k for not really that much more.

Ken-f
27-10-2009, 12:33 PM
thats up to the buyer to decide tho.

unity
27-10-2009, 01:31 PM
thats up to the buyer to decide tho.

I know that but all I'm saying is that the biggest difference between the two cars is the price, other than that the are almost on a level paying field, especially for city driving purposes.

albii
28-10-2009, 06:21 PM
Actually if we talk about build quality in terms of least warranty issues and reliability, the best are Mazda, Honda and Subaru, with Toyota a distant fourth.

VW and Audi make quality interiors, if that's what floats your boat. VW is apparently not so great for the fault rate per car. They may be German, but VW is a long way behind Porsche.

- HZ

I think u should switch Toyota and Mazda as Mazda isn't all that.

aaronng
28-10-2009, 06:26 PM
I saw pics of a few Mazda MPS where the engine mount broke when driven enthusiastically and the engine was half sunk in the engine bay. Design problem. LOL

Gf's Subaru had a recall because the throttle cable would get stuck when cruise control was controlling it. Seriously bad design problem.

Lukey13
02-11-2009, 08:06 PM
I know that but all I'm saying is that the biggest difference between the two cars is the price, other than that the are almost on a level paying field, especially for city driving purposes.

Perhaps... but without any consideration for the way in which power is delivered (smooth, totally linear, seamless V6 grunt versus slightly peaky turbo pull), delivered to the wheels (AWD grip which grips so hard that tyres will screech in the wet without even losing control or sliding and more grip than just about anything else versus front wheel torque steer), and also flat out performance (R32 beats GTI in all speed tests - actual 0-100 time seems to be 5.9 rather than the reported 6.2, and that doesn't fairly represent the in gear acceleration).

And for anybody who has ever driven an R32, they would notice the sweet noise emanating from the unique, narrow-angle V6 (referred to as a VR6 - a sort of cross between flat six and vee six) engine and exhaust. The experience of the strong, linear power delivery through four wheels is absolutely worth a price premium over the GTI. Not that there's anything wrong with the GTI, as it's an absolutely fantastic car. The noise is just completely nuts and you'd be flat out finding something that sounds anywhere near that good outside of the exotic sports car league. The 2.0 turbo in the GTI is a very, very good engine. But it (or just about anything else) simply doesn't sound or feel the same as that sweet VR6.

And on the topic of price premium, I actually got my R32 quite a lot cheaper than an equivalently specced GTI (5 door, DSG, leather, bi-xenons, upgraded 10 speaker audio, 18" wheels and more). Not to mention the expected price premium of 184kw V6 and Haldex all-wheel drive system. I also like the styling of the R32 (personal choice). Those huge, twin, centre-mounted exhaust pipes look hot. As do the blue-painted brake calipers. Being substantially larger than those on the GTI they also offer great performance, pulling up much quicker than those on the GTI, weight difference taken into consideration.

I had all intention of purchasing a GTI... until I inadvertently happened to have a drive in an R32... I seriously defy anybody who has driven one of these and not fallen in love! After all, it's about the driving experience, isn't it? Otherwise we'd all be driving a Prius! :eek:

But anyway, one more time, back on topic, this thread was about my strong feelings for the Euro Luxury. :honda:

HunterZero
03-11-2009, 09:31 AM
I think u should switch Toyota and Mazda as Mazda isn't all that.

Actually, it's Toyota that aren't as good as people think they are any more.

- HZ

HunterZero
03-11-2009, 09:39 AM
Hope you enjoy the R32! My partner admires them whenever they go past, especially in blue, they are a hot car.

Never driven an R32, but would love to compare one back to back with a GTI.

I saw a new Audi S3 in black this morning that was immaculately detailed, that was a nice car too - but golly that's an expensive car. Compared to that, the R32 is good value.

- HZ

Lukey13
23-11-2009, 03:07 PM
Well, it looks like I may have found the next owner of my beloved Euro... pending receipt of $33,000.

He certainly is getting himself a lovely bit of kit for that money. :honda:
I can't see any other examples for sale which have all the extras that really make the car even more special.

I sure will miss the Euro and I'll be sure to take it out for a long, sentimental final drive if it all goes to plan.

VTi_b0i
23-11-2009, 03:35 PM
I saw your car on carsales, as i Just bought a Euro Luxury aswell... i didn t quite have 32k for a daily driver but i remember yours as id never seen the tape deck and mp3 player function. Would u mind selling the mp3 player and replace it with a pocket?