Reasons to not get a r32gtr??

[Sico]

I brought my 94 vtir about 6 months ago, I spent a few k on jap headers, exhaust, pod, vafc2…..all up on car and mods I have spent around 19k. and have around 141kw at motor….95kw at wheels…..approx.

My friend just got a R32 GTR with huge front mount, exhaust imported, landed, complied for 21k, he’s had it looked over and checked out by 2 mechanics who cant find any thing that he should be concerned bout…blah blahh blahh,,at the motor on stock boost hes pulling around 206kw or more with cooler and zorst...

I have driven his car and in the process I have gotten very very hard, and now I may have just been converted to a Nissan lover..
we have run a number of times and my car looks as if a granny is driving it……….me L, Im not a bad driver, I have beaten r32 gts’s, 5.0L commodores, and there have been others… ..along the way

I love my Hondas don’t get me wrong, they are the shit! Smooth, power to weight is awesome, n/a’s have never been soo good. But right now I cant think of a reason to not sell mine and buy a gtr for around the same price.

This thread wasn’t started so people could bag gtrs, and say **** Nissan, or for Nissan drivers to get on and say **** Honda…………im seriously looking for a few reasons to keep the vtir.

And also people say ohh Gtrs are good for a ¼ mile car but handling is shit I disagree.
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[Sp3rMz]

in the end a car get u to a to b....do what eva makes u happy....theres always gonna be a car out there thats faster then yours and also someone out there that will always diss your car....fact is in the end what ever makes you happy.....doesnt matter what people think....if buyin gtr makes you happy so do it.......

[sheepo]

well think of maintainence wise i guess?? the skyline probably got a turbo in there... so.. yean maintainence :D but thats my opinion.. but do you go race with ur car often??? if not and jsut for city driving well.. you know what to bout that

[kenshin]

well to buy the car outright may be cheaper... but yeah like other ppl said running/maintenance costs will be ALOT higher... add that to the fact that for most ppl who'll buy a GTR insurance preminums will be 3x that of 'normal' vehicles

i was gonna buy a R32 GTR or a lexus... lucky i found a dc2r... test drove it and was wrapped...
handling wise nothing compares... its in a league of its own....

[Speeder]

you clasify yourself as a good driver coz you can drag this and that??? i dont understand your philosophy?? you can speed on a straight road??? cool, anyone can drag this and that, its not that hard if you know what your doing ;) anyway they are just 2 different cars, cant really compare them together. it just depends on what you need a car for?? im sure the GTR drinks petrol like water, and the insurance companies dont really like you either. those rb26 are just magic, and love the sound of a boosted 6, just as good as a boosted 8. speed wise, they are quick, especially the R32, the lightest out of the pack.
and the meintenance of a turbo and n/a are very different, as some people has said, the car to start off might be cheap but the running costs will be higher, therefore the GTR will be an expensive car to keeping it on the road.
integra are sporty cars, GTR are sports cars. please dont frame me, i love my honda too :o
if you comparing which car is better....you cant compare, apples and oranges.

[flipmods]

If you want power then get one cause Honda can't match it with the same amount of money spent.
I have had 2 R33's and yeah it was good to have but I kept them both for maybe 6 months each and then went back to honda cause every body out there had one, and I want to be original. Also I sold them because I always felt like speeding and I was afraid of losing my license, I even dragged an undercover cop on the princess Highway but luckily he just gave me a warning cause I have a gold license.
But then again thats just me I don't want a car that everyone has. Actually thats a bit contradicting cause parts of my prelude are nissan , and I boosted my car to keep up with the skylines. :D
Basically whatever floats your boat, everyone has different goals.

[Catcha]

you said you friend just brought the car also, why don't you wait 6 months or a year then look at buying one, while your doing that look at how your mate is doing with the maintance of the car. and his insurance and so on....and the fuel. If his loaded well it's ok then if not and is like an average person you see all his money get poured into the car. a GTR is one of the most expensive cars to modify. Why you ask ? cause it has to of everything two turbos, two BOV, Two Filters. unless you want to spend big dollars on converting it to a single turbo. Keep it as it is and you be fine. Start playing with it and it will cost you big $$$$.

Ask yourself what you want in a car. My mate had a R33 GTR awesome car totally blows wrx's and everything and the power delivery is so awesome linear. funny thing is it only has and exhaust and pod filter. Imagine a modified GTR whooaaa...

Having a GTR is also a high risk vehicle you need quick trak (mis spell ) for them, annual fee.......good luck.

[Chi]

GTRs are sweet cars.

Getting one my self once i turn 25.

All i can say, GTRs are in a totally different class to NA hondas, cept teh NSX-R

[kenshin]

i want accord Type R

[Javed]

As stated the cars are completely different .The reason I am not driving a turbo car is due to maintenance (turbo engines require generally more care), also the insurance on turbo cars is rediculous at my age. Fuel economy comes into the figure also. I eventually will own a DC2R over my gsi, because it has enough power, awesome handling, sexy looks, and the fuel economy to top it off. Not to mention Honda make the best N/A motor on the market. If you wanna go turbo, turbo your Honda :P

[Sico]

insurance is very similar which freaked the **** out of me, and it costs a **** load to maintain a honda....if you want to do it properly

and for runs and draging, in my area its almost a daily/nightly event......

[silvia200sx]

i reckon u should think about it this way......
other people have propably said this already,

u cannot compare a gtr to ur teg, they r very very different cars, and it takes a very quick car to beat a rb26.

gtr is 4wd so dragging and launching is heaps easier than ur teg and everytime u can guarantee a similar launch, track teg is fwd so it will be easier to control due to it is a slower car and the no boost factor.

to work on the engine i mean it will cost u heaps to get good times on ur teg but gtr with simple mods like ur friend's one and u know how quick and value for money it can be for mods obviously.

but on the street even driving sedately ur wallet will hurt if u feed a rb26, with teg and most hondas is so fuel economical and u can stay under vtec, but boost will always be used.

depends on ur budget, insurance and theft, i know it all because insurance and theft has happened to me on my silvias yet it will still be cheaper insure than the gtr.

in my opinion i like boost and speed from factory and i mean a gtr is hard to beat, but the age and condition compared to ur newer teg is another thing, so i reckon since u have spent on mods already, it depends how far u wanna go, if u want insane then gtr will be easy target to reach, but compromise on street and simple mods the teg willmake u happy.

i won't crap on too much now.......

[Catcha]

. If you wanna go turbo, turbo your Honda :P

Whats the point of turbo charging a honda? waste of money don't do it, want a turbo buy a car that was designed with a turbo to start off with eg GTR ,WRX,200sx.

I just downgraded from a WRX to a honda Jazz, lots of factors contributed to this but the main factor is was other comittments house etc blah blah . I could afford the car, i did all my servicing myself to a point,oil change, brake pads, g/b oil, diff oil, other than that, i got a mechanic that knew what they were doing. Service car every 5000km only take roughtly 10 weeks to rack up 5000km if you do 500km's a week .To keep it in tip top shape and using synthetic oil mobile 1 15w 50 cost me $50 a bottle to buy in bulk.
Insurance from 1200-800 year..i'm 26 BTW.

then the tuning of the microtech computer and dyno hire to get it right, everytime you add something to the car eg turbo, you need a retune $120 dyno hire, $55p/h to hire you tuner, that's cheap too, MRT wanted $210p/h to tune cars fark that.

then you add bits and pieces to your car to make it look better, wheels, suspension, better brakes, you have such a fast car you need good pad to stop it, good tyres for traction...it's all a chain reaction you do one thing it links to something else and the list goes on.

But there is one way you can save all this hassle. Buy a car that is stock with minimal mods, exhaust, CAI. Anything to do with ECU stay away if you not prepared to spend money...and just enjoy and drive it and service it, and it will be a hassle free car, start to mod expect problems to arise.

Turbo cars have the freedom of being as economical as a 4cyl cause they car, and as thirsty as a V8 because of the turbo. But better than factory claimed fuel ecomomy can be had with PROPER tuning, if you tuner sucks, you cars performance will reflect this, guarantee.

In my opinion you should experience what owing a turbo involes to get first hand experience, nothing beats the rush of a turbo, and after being in a 03 sti with a APS stage 3 kit 13g worth of mods you wonder where people get there money from :D

As i have had my dash with turbo cars, i looking at settling for some luxury like a EURO and the wife can have the jazz.....in the near future

hope this helps.......in your choice

[Sico]

thanks heaps for all your responses, i have owned a turbo before, one modded ET turbo and i loved it but it just lacked comfort thats when i went to the teg.

i am a bit stupid when it comes to dragging as well it really is an ego thing but for the life of me i really cant help it.

if i wasnt going to go a gtr i was thinking bout a 97 M3 probably half way though next year.

[euGeR]

Just to let you guys know ....

There was an EG Civic that did a 12.9 at WSID last week.
Stock JDM K20A - stock exhaust - hondata :) - street tyres/ street trim ... NA. .... andddd ... it will be faster as the drivers only just started getting used to the car ;)

You are only limited by your budget and your passion.

[monstaR]

yes a gtr 32 may be fast but a ferrari 360 may be faster as well..... even the worse driver would know how to drag the car on the straight just floor the paddle to the max...... try that on the corner and tell me what happens :rolleyes:

[Catcha]

thanks heaps for all your responses, i have owned a turbo before, one modded ET turbo and i loved it but it just lacked comfort thats when i went to the teg.

i am a bit stupid when it comes to dragging as well it really is an ego thing but for the life of me i really cant help it.

if i wasnt going to go a gtr i was thinking bout a 97 M3 probably half way though next year.

Save some money get helmet and go do some circuit sprints and drags safest way, plus you have a time slip in B&W that proves how fast your car is and how good of a driver you are, racing on the streets are for kiddies, your rolling you look at the othe guy , he slams it, then you go for it, he beats you, and the story goes it was a rolling start, blah blah blah. stop all the Bull Sh*t and racing properly and then you won't have all this unfair business.

so simple but yet so hard :D

[silvia200sx]

Just to let you guys know ....

There was an EG Civic that did a 12.9 at WSID last week.
Stock JDM K20A - stock exhaust - hondata :) - street tyres/ street trim ... NA. .... andddd ... it will be faster as the drivers only just started getting used to the car ;)

You are only limited by your budget and your passion.

how come the auto salon mag had mods on the car?

[bumography]

hey..well at least your interior looks better than the almighty GTR :)
hehe

[Javed]

Whats the point of turbo charging a honda? waste of money don't do it, want a turbo buy a car that was designed with a turbo to start off with eg GTR ,WRX,200sx.


Theres a few people here that will challenge you on that. Well tuned and worked turbo honda's are some of the craziest machines you will ever see. Having said that I would not personally turbo my car.

[Catcha]

Theres a few people here that will challenge you on that. Well tuned and worked turbo honda's are some of the craziest machines you will ever see. Having said that I would not personally turbo my car.

And what happend to the all inspiring N/A, all the Type R owners go on about how good N/A is so why bother turbocharging it ? if it's that good or do they really need a blower to keep up ?you stated "craziest machines" exactly you got to be crazy to turbo a civic, integra or anthing that is not turbo from factory. sure it might be good to invest about 6g into a turbo kit, you put 6g into a 200sx, GTR, or WRX and it will still kick integra that has spent 6g on a aftermarket turbo. do you see my point, as in dollar values for kw's you really wasting your money.

[z10]

how come the auto salon mag had mods on the car?


lots of suspension mods. engine still stantard + i/h/e

[[[d a n n y]]]

ok guyz..
i own a R32 GTR all i can say it's a damn crazy machine.
not the best in the world but. the GTR's are in a different league.
n/a and turbo are completely different setups.
it's important what u want not what every1 thinks.
i could have kept my EG and mod the b16a like crazy. but i choose not too cuz at the end of the day sum1 else wil b faster too

all these N/A vs Turbo stuff is really pointless
both tech's are in the league of there own.



yes a gtr 32 may be fast but a ferrari 360 may be faster as well..... even the worse driver would know how to drag the car on the straight just floor the paddle to the max...... try that on the corner and tell me what happens :rolleyes:

i guess u never driven a GTR or driven it hard around a corner.
it does corner very well the stability of the car is...um..well speechless.
it is so stable around the corners and fast too.

4WD's have different cornering lines compared to a FF car or a FR car.

who did u hear from that the GTR's cant take corners?

[Chi]

yes a gtr 32 may be fast but a ferrari 360 may be faster as well..... even the worse driver would know how to drag the car on the straight just floor the paddle to the max...... try that on the corner and tell me what happens :rolleyes:


Thats the one of the dumbest comments Ive ever heard.

So your saying anyone who cant shift gears properly and launch well be able to beat anyone even if they have a faster car?

Its like a weapon, u cant use it properly if u have no experience.

And that comparison is not even relative, i mean its a $250k car to a $30k car.

Also if u spent about $100k into teh GTR, itll beat ferrarais too.

As for around a corner, ferrarai's wont be as easy to control as a GTR imho.

[monstaR]

]']ok guyz..
i own a R32 GTR all i can say it's a damn crazy machine.
not the best in the world but. the GTR's are in a different league.
n/a and turbo are completely different setups.
it's important what u want not what every1 thinks.
i could have kept my EG and mod the b16a like crazy. but i choose not too cuz at the end of the day sum1 else wil b faster too

all these N/A vs Turbo stuff is really pointless
both tech's are in the league of there own.




i guess u never driven a GTR or driven it hard around a corner.
it does corner very well the stability of the car is...um..well speechless.
it is so stable around the corners and fast too.

4WD's have different cornering lines compared to a FF car or a FR car.

who did u hear from that the GTR's cant take corners?

Honestly my r33 gtr before the fd3s that i had could not take the corner as well as the type r...... been in a r32 before as well and I did not hear that from anyone, i drove the 33 and 32 b4..... even the rx7 had better handiling :D

[z10]

dc2r=easy to drive , hard to get good lap time due to under power

gtr=harder to tame ,once you know what your are doing, it handles mint.

[CRX-Ando]

Whats the point of turbo charging a honda? waste of money don't do it, want a turbo buy a car that was designed with a turbo to start off with eg GTR ,WRX,200sx

Open to much debate mate...what are your personal experiences with boosted Hondas? No doubt a similar financial outlay on a Rex, 200 or GTR will net you a higher power output but you're not taking into account the weight of the vehicle...we may not be designed to play with the big boys in the turbo fraternity but the boosted Honda will surprise many if modded correctly & optimally...my own ride will attest to this...

[Catcha]

Open to much debate mate...what are your personal experiences with boosted Hondas? No doubt a similar financial outlay on a Rex, 200 or GTR will net you a higher power output but you're not taking into account the weight of the vehicle...we may not be designed to play with the big boys in the turbo fraternity but the boosted Honda will surprise many if modded correctly & optimally...my own ride will attest to this...

Exactly it is very much open to debate, but my point of view is why turbo charge something and start from scratch ? . you buy say eg a 200sx, all you have to do is change the turbo to get the gains and other minor mods, turbo an integra. and it's like having to get it engineered certified, and so on, never asked on insurance for a turbo charged integra but i would say you get lots of knockbacks of comprehensive insurance.
Its like a debate about why people should fork out an extra 10g on a STi compared to normal wrx, when you can spend that 10g and make the standard wrx go faster than an STI ? i'm not going to go into that.

so why did you turbo in it, and how much did it cost you ? was it straight forward or you ran into some technical problems ? do you have comprehensive insurance for you CRX ?

No doubt that if you were to drag people they would be very surprised as yours is turbo, but if you go up against a Type R i'm sure it will be another endless debate

[CRX-Ando]

I can view your stance on this issue mate...sure modding a turbo car to begin with will net higher gains over an atmo car but not everyone builds one to beat Skylines and the like hence it's not a waste of time...a compromise between handling and power could potentially compete with the Skylines on the track but dependent on the setups of the respective cars as well...

My own ride wasn't cheap and I won't divulge the financial extent of her but full internals has been done and pretty much everything else and I'm on comprehensive insurance...I'm satisfied with her for now and she just needs a good tune...what did you mean about the drag with a Type R? Did you mean a stock Type R or a boosted example?

[karbonphyber]

I brought my 94 vtir about 6 months ago, I spent a few k on jap headers, exhaust, pod, vafc2…..all up on car and mods I have spent around 19k. and have around 141kw at motor….95kw at wheels…..approx.


what i would say would be, go for whatever makes you happy.

i'm a honda and nissan fan.

used to own integras, accords, civics, 180sx's, silvias. i love them all

maybe you should just go with the flow or whatever feels good.

you are right about the handling, the R34 handling isn't that good but with abit of tweaking, it could be - it's been proven, removal of a diffuser plate.

but the R32 holds it's own against the 33 and 34. the R32, still baffles me slightly but i guess that's because i don't think about it. The handling of the R32 i feel is very different from the later models or rather, the other way around. the 33 and 34 have lost the touch of the R32.

give it a few rounds on the track, recordline or driftlines. your choice and then decide.

cheers

[Kawasaki]

Whats all this rubbish about GTR's not being able to take a corner?? 1st off its a 4wd and secondly it has 4 wheel steer.. I dont think its likely to jump off the road :D.

Back to the topic, honda's are great cars and a vtir is a really good car. I say get whatever you can afford and go with the flow like karbon said. I personally am being tempted to get a turbo nissan etc but atm im content with my car.

Gl

[karbonphyber]

Whats all this rubbish about GTR's not being able to take a corner?? 1st off its a 4wd and secondly it has 4 wheel steer.. I dont think its likely to jump off the road :D.

Back to the topic, honda's are great cars and a vtir is a really good car. I say get whatever you can afford and go with the flow like karbon said. I personally am being tempted to get a turbo nissan etc but atm im content with my car.

Gl


turbo nissan.... *grinz* i missed my 200sx back in singapore.

[IRI]

Reasons not to get R32 gtr???

IMO, there old and ugly.......
Apart from that I've never driven one so I couldn't comment

[OB]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12298

scare a few peoples..!!??!?

[Astro]

just for my 2 cents worth...all i can say that GTRs and Honda Integra/Civic is a total different car as everyone knows.

i once owned a R33 GTR and all i can say is that they are great cars as what the books says, fast, yes practical everyday car...in my eyes not really...thing is its a budget that u can buy a GTR but u have to remember the running cost,(petrol = 55L tank gets me 300Km) maintanence, insurance and so on,.....very $$$$. and if ya dont look after it it will cost u a arm and a leg for parts.

GTRs are a superior car, i didnt do that much to my gtr, plates were ZEU5 (just the usual mods) and i reeled off a 11.9 on 1.2bar. at eastern creek back in the day and yes it was quick.

BUT after i drove a friends DC2R i fell in love with it straight away....the way the car drives and behaves...i was so impressed.... i even wanted to swap and cash adjustment with my friend :) its a perfect everyday car...and enough power for the street in my opinon.

now i drive a EK4 vtir and i love driving that car more then my GTR...call me stupid if ya want but thats the truth and ive been there done that with the 2 cars mentioned. :)

[Sico]

i dont think the gtr has bad handeling but i have read it on this forum at one stage.

im not after a gtr to impress any one or just get it to say ha ha i have a godzilla.......
ive drivin my friends one a few times and every time i do i almost blow my load..........well not that far but its one of the best driving times i have ever had,,.
i jump out of it and back into my car and drive home and it feels like im now in a stock barina....

[Civic Type R]

i want accord Type R
http://www.dohc-vtec.com.au/pages/images/mugen_showroom/IMG_0438.jpg

http://www.dohc-vtec.com.au/pages/images/mugen_showroom/IMG_0441.jpg

[Catcha]

http://www.dohc-vtec.com.au/pages/images/mugen_showroom/IMG_0438.jpg

http://www.dohc-vtec.com.au/pages/images/mugen_showroom/IMG_0441.jpg


Very nice sex on wheels :D

[bluebird]

Reliability.

I went from a boosted Nissan to a N/A Honda for this exact reason.

Some breaks on the teg, and it costs a few hundred to fix. I blew a gearbox in my last car (import), and it cost $4.5k to fix.

Sure, GTRs are awesome cars, but the mainteance costs on one will STUN YOU.

That said, I REALLY miss the straight line boosted power that I had in the Nissan. They best way (if you dont have lots of cash) which turbo cars is to buy as new as possible, and aim for RWD or FWD (AWD gearboxes = weakish and expensive - mainly if you are likely to abuse it).

[bluebird]

Whats all this rubbish about GTR's not being able to take a corner?? 1st off its a 4wd and secondly it has 4 wheel steer.. I dont think its likely to jump off the road :D.
Electronic ATTESA is designed the get "a bit sideways" before the front torque split comes into play.

GTRs aren't bad around corners, but it depends what you compare it to. There's lots of better handlers out there for the money, that's for sure.

People always confuse grip with handling :!:

[00dc2]

have you driven a dc2r? its not just a vtir with a little more power.

cos you say you may save for a bit and get a 97 M3.. they are a fair bit.. you could get a dc2r for that $.

in the end, the gtr is an imported 15 year old car. reliability, insurance, petrol consumption go against it compared to newer honda's and the M3 too!!!!!!.. maybe go the M3.. half way between the two :)

[Catcha]

have you driven a dc2r? its not just a vtir with a little more power.

cos you say you may save for a bit and get a 97 M3.. they are a fair bit.. you could get a dc2r for that $.

in the end, the gtr is an imported 15 year old car. reliability, insurance, petrol consumption go against it compared to newer honda's and the M3 too!!!!!!.. maybe go the M3.. half way between the two :)

An M3 will cost just as much wouldn't it, especially servicing, and parts, heard a guy at work his central is stuffed costing him big $$$$ but that's with any car i guess

[nipnip]

personally i would not get one because of the above reasons. and also, its very hard to find a stock r32 nowadays, but yes, those things haul ass!

[Catcha]

guys here about that R34 GTR that wrapped itself around a pole killing all 3 passengers, it's the one that made it into speed magazine.

[karbonphyber]

oh boy..... that's gotta be bad news for people featured in the mag...

did they rule it out as loss of control or just plain speeddick?

[Catcha]

Story here

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11472222%255E1702,00.html

[[[d a n n y]]]

oh boy..... that's gotta be bad news for people featured in the mag...

did they rule it out as loss of control or just plain speeddick?
have sum respect for the dead.

he was speeding.
hit a bump and then into a pole the car cut in half.

car was thought to do excess of 200+ km/h in a 50 zone.

and he wasnt allowed to drive the car at all.

[SKYNUTS]

me used to drive a skyline too , but now an ITR , cant compare them , both are great cars .