New Accord- Good and Bad Points

[mike0094]

ive had my 40th ann accord for about 20 or so days now, its going for its 1000km service early next week, heres some good and bad points ive found in the time ive had it

Good Points-
- Side mirrors are HUGE and totally awesome!
- 2.4 pulls great over 4k mark
- Has a nice stereo
- Suprisingly the whole engine bay isnt hidden under a massive slab of plastic
- Fit and Finish is better than i expected
- Steering and brakes have a good feel to them
- Overall look is nice
- Headlights are good


Bad Points-
- Rather gutless with hardly any torque up to 3k mark
- The Centre console pockets/bins below the CD player are WAY to deep
- Muffler doesnt sound right and is loud when started in the morning (going to get it checked at the service)
- Boot needs to be slammed rather hard to close
- Front seats arent very comfortable thanks to an awkwardly designed headrest
- High beams are average (by that i mean my older 5th gen accord has better)

As for its fuel economy, i dont really know, i havent filled it to full and driven to empty yet but the gauge needle seems to fall to the bottom rather quickly.. i got about 250k from half a tank and thought that was ok i spose

[msconfig]

There are some points there i agree to and some i don't.

1. Huge Mirrors - Definantly a plus. The viewing angle on them is the best i've seen on any car. Blindspot is almost non existent
2. Depending on gear and gradient of the road, it can pull quite well after ~2.5-3k
3. Console pocket just under CD player may be a little deep, don't really notice (i don't use it anyway). The lower one is perfect in size for my phone/wallet.
4. Muffler sounds normal to me. It's rather quiet
5. Boot slamming is definantly something i disagree with. If the boot is fully open, i just need to give it a bit of momentum and let it fall. Usually closes first time.
6. Fuel Economy: I've gotton about 700kms from one tank before (before the light went on) but then i do alot of highway driving.
7. Seats are comfy but each to their own i guess

[dkskyline]

ive had my 40th ann accord for about 20 or so days now, its going for its 1000km service early next week, heres some good and bad points ive found in the time ive had it

Good Points-
- Side mirrors are HUGE and totally awesome!
- 2.4 pulls great over 4k mark
- Has a nice stereo
- Suprisingly the whole engine bay isnt hidden under a massive slab of plastic
- Fit and Finish is better than i expected
- Steering and brakes have a good feel to them
- Overall look is nice
- Headlights are good


Bad Points-
- Rather gutless with hardly any torque up to 3k mark
- The Centre console pockets/bins below the CD player are WAY to deep
- Muffler doesnt sound right and is loud when started in the morning (going to get it checked at the service)
- Boot needs to be slammed rather hard to close
- Front seats arent very comfortable thanks to an awkwardly designed headrest
- High beams are average (by that i mean my older 5th gen accord has better)

As for its fuel economy, i dont really know, i havent filled it to full and driven to empty yet but the gauge needle seems to fall to the bottom rather quickly.. i got about 250k from half a tank and thought that was ok i spose

when you speed more than 80 do you still feel that the wind noise so much in the car

[mike0094]

Wow 700ks is awesome, but yeah i guess thats thanks to all the highway driving..i drove the other day without the air con on and it pulled alot better 2-3k so im happy about that (: gald to hear ur exhaust isnt loud, but i really cant say the same, mine sounds like a wannabe wrx when started which i dont think is right, noticed it day one....

[mike0094]

when you speed more than 80 do you still feel that the wind noise so much in the car

i havent noticed any wind noise actaully, it seems very sturdy and smooth on the open road

[lefty]

Good Points-
- Side mirrors are HUGE and totally awesome!
- 2.4 pulls great over 4k mark
- Has a nice stereo
- Suprisingly the whole engine bay isnt hidden under a massive slab of plastic
- Fit and Finish is better than i expected
- Steering and brakes have a good feel to them
- Overall look is nice
- Headlights are good

agree with everything above, I think it's the best looking Accord ever. Another good point is that almost everything is manually controlled. I had a Peugeot 206 gti that had auto wipers,auto headlights etc and I absolutely hated it!


Bad Points-
- Rather gutless with hardly any torque up to 3k mark
- The Centre console pockets/bins below the CD player are WAY to deep
- Muffler doesnt sound right and is loud when started in the morning (going to get it checked at the service)
- Boot needs to be slammed rather hard to close
- Front seats arent very comfortable thanks to an awkwardly designed headrest
- High beams are average (by that i mean my older 5th gen accord has better)

I think performance isn't too shabby for a 2.4 pulling such a big car, and I'm used to modded 2.5L turbo Subaru. My muffler sounds quiet as and isn't tinny like my previous 94 Prelude. No problems with the boot on mine. No probs with the seats either but that's up to the individual. Agree the headlights could be improved.

Bad points IMHO are:
-can't turn on just the fan. you have to turn on the A/C then turn A/C off to have just the fan running
- car is a bit too big to park in tight spaces, but I'm used to smaller cars
- it's too refined! I liked the rawness of my old Vtir lude and the noticeable VTEC change.

As for its fuel economy, i dont really know, i havent filled it to full and driven to empty yet but the gauge needle seems to fall to the bottom rather quickly.. i got about 250k from half a tank and thought that was ok i spose

I get about 650kms per tank on normal unleaded but can push to 700



:):):):):)

[snajper]

I also agree with you on some points:

Having owned 06 Euro this is what I think of the new Accord when compared.

Positive:
Way bigger and more comfortable that 06 Euro
I actualy like the active headrests as they me properly rest my big head(big +)
MP3 very welcome and sound system in general is awesome
Seats are very comfotable
I love the Paddleshift transmission
Fantastic Side mirrors and headlights
Fuel consumption (I get 10.5L/100km in heavy Sydney traffic)
Enough engine power for avg. person
Boot and doors close nicely
Quiet on open road

Negative:
Read Brakes needed replacing after only 25K (not happy)
Fit and finish is OK but not as good as old EURO


After owning new Accord for 15 months overall I am happy with it.

One weird thing that I have noticed is with RON98 fuel I get horrible fuel consumption. I know it makes no sense but I have tested it 20 times and each time my fuel consumption is 11.5L with RON98. I get the best mileage with standard 91 without ethanol.

[WATAJK]

I also agree with you on some points:

Having owned 06 Euro this is what I think of the new Accord when compared.

Positive:
Way bigger and more comfortable that 06 Euro
I actualy like the active headrests as they me properly rest my big head(big +)
MP3 very welcome and sound system in general is awesome
Seats are very comfotable
I love the Paddleshift transmission
Fantastic Side mirrors and headlights
Fuel consumption (I get 10.5L/100km in heavy Sydney traffic)
Enough engine power for avg. person
Boot and doors close nicely
Quiet on open road

Negative:
Read Brakes needed replacing after only 25K (not happy)
Fit and finish is OK but not as good as old EURO


After owning new Accord for 15 months overall I am happy with it.

One weird thing that I have noticed is with RON98 fuel I get horrible fuel consumption. I know it makes no sense but I have tested it 20 times and each time my fuel consumption is 11.5L with RON98. I get the best mileage with standard 91 without ethanol.

that very odd...
I'd take that up with your dealership as it's a larger engine base, 6 cyclinder also, you should be getting better economy not worse..
Then again it depends on how you were driving during the kms u did.

[lovejenete]

Hello Mike,
I am William here from Kenya and I want to say thanks to you
for giving this nice and clear advise. I am planning to buy a new
one and now I can keep your advise in my mind so I can get the
nice car.

[RiceMeister]

awesome william :) good luck mate!

[Zimp13]

quality of he carpet is not that good. it peels off easily, if anyone gets wat i mean....

[bono]

Hi. I've also got a 2009 Accord 40th Anni and just recently took it in for its' first 1000km service.

Honda service did not replace engine oil or filter. Told me this is done on the next service (10,000km). Checked the oil colour and it's pretty dark and dirty. Hmmm...

My boot also required slamming to shut. Told the service guy and he adjusted it. Now is normal and no more slamming!

Another thing, been monitoring fuel consumption.
1st tank avged = 12.5L/100km
2nd tank avged = 12L/100km

This was with a/c on most of the time. So I'm guessing without a/c probably closer to 10L/100km.

Also fitted some genuine Honda accessories. Tip- shop around as prices seem to vary from dealer to dealer. Reverse park sensors are great!!!

Quality issues
- rattle in the back which I can't seem to pinpoint
-thick uneven paint runs paticularly on the edges of panels

Been hearing of some excessve rear brake issues. Has anyone else experieced this also? Have found that Bendix has rear pads for 2008-2009 Accord.

Other than that, I'm very happy with the car overall

[Zimp13]

oh... rear parcel shelf also rattling.... common problem for this model accord... brought back to dealer 3 times, after a short while it rattles again... i give up

[bono]

If I knew where the rattling is coming from I'll super glue the whole thing! :)

If anyone needs help installing;

- illuminted door sill garnish
- door visors
- door styling/protectors
- pairing handsfree bluetooth unit with phone

Please let me know.

[brokenback]

Thanks Mike....our civic is at 40K (2008 model) and we are thinking at replacing it...maybe with a new Accord or maybe a new Civic. Undecided ATM.

Problem with Civic is the suspension (shocks) go off after 30K'ish the rest is ok...but it's a little small. That's why we are thinking of an Accord. Don't get me wrong...the Civic is a good car.

Maybe the Accord's shocks will last a little longer...and at lest it's a little bigger inside.

The only down side I see ATM is that dealers like Mazda are slashing prices off the 6 but Honda remains pretty much the same!

Anyway...it's good to see someone's feedback.

[Zimp13]

Thanks Mike....our civic is at 40K (2008 model) and we are thinking at replacing it...maybe with a new Accord or maybe a new Civic. Undecided ATM.

Problem with Civic is the suspension (shocks) go off after 30K'ish the rest is ok...but it's a little small. That's why we are thinking of an Accord. Don't get me wrong...the Civic is a good car.

Maybe the Accord's shocks will last a little longer...and at lest it's a little bigger inside.

The only down side I see ATM is that dealers like Mazda are slashing prices off the 6 but Honda remains pretty much the same!

Anyway...it's good to see someone's feedback.


how can the suspension go after 30ks??? :eek::eek:

[brokenback]

how can the suspension go after 30ks??? :eek::eek:


It's normal..Holden & Ford are the same with their design's of suspension....made to last just long enough for warranty.

Problem is Civic's shocks are quite soft to start with.

I know I can get a good set put in but meh....it needs new tyres & rear brake pads as well. Why rear...I don't know considering front does 70% breaking+!

So, it's put in $1.5K-2K of work or maybe change over to new for around $4-5K.

This is what I'm looking at now....how much for a new car...Civic or Accord.

[mike0094]

Thanks Mike....our civic is at 40K (2008 model) and we are thinking at replacing it...maybe with a new Accord or maybe a new Civic. Undecided ATM.

Problem with Civic is the suspension (shocks) go off after 30K'ish the rest is ok...but it's a little small. That's why we are thinking of an Accord. Don't get me wrong...the Civic is a good car.

Maybe the Accord's shocks will last a little longer...and at lest it's a little bigger inside.

The only down side I see ATM is that dealers like Mazda are slashing prices off the 6 but Honda remains pretty much the same!

Anyway...it's good to see someone's feedback.


Forgot to mention the suspension in this car is fantastic..i mean ive never driven a car that absorbs bumps aswell as the accord can

[ido09s]

sounds like the rear brake pad wear isnt an issolated issue. I have an 07 Civic and i to have done rear brake pads long before the fronts need replacing.

Sounds like i may just wait for a new release of the Accord before i look at upgrading the Civic. Although only minor issues, there seems to be a few to many small things going wrong with the Accord for my liking.

[NileshP]

While this car is generally impressive, watch out for the premature wear of the rear brake pads as mine wore out before 38,000KM on normal driving. At the 30K service, the report from the Honda approved dealer stated it to be 50% gone and I did not expect it to wear until the next service (that is 40K) but my bad it went without any warning. My rotors got damaged and had to be sanded at an additional cost. Read very bad reviews on US car complaints forum.

Wrote to Honda and was given told that this is due to VSA and other bullshit but my research of other similar cars (Nissan Maxima, Toyota Aurion etc) revealed that Honda brake pads are generally poor quality and nothing to do with VSA and equal distribution of force etc.

Just want you to alert you. Keep checking because my Honda service “specialists” are just button pushers and would take the computer readings as gospel truth.




ive had my 40th ann accord for about 20 or so days now, its going for its 1000km service early next week, heres some good and bad points ive found in the time ive had it

Good Points-
- Side mirrors are HUGE and totally awesome!
- 2.4 pulls great over 4k mark
- Has a nice stereo
- Suprisingly the whole engine bay isnt hidden under a massive slab of plastic
- Fit and Finish is better than i expected
- Steering and brakes have a good feel to them
- Overall look is nice
- Headlights are good


Bad Points-
- Rather gutless with hardly any torque up to 3k mark
- The Centre console pockets/bins below the CD player are WAY to deep
- Muffler doesnt sound right and is loud when started in the morning (going to get it checked at the service)
- Boot needs to be slammed rather hard to close
- Front seats arent very comfortable thanks to an awkwardly designed headrest
- High beams are average (by that i mean my older 5th gen accord has better)

As for its fuel economy, i dont really know, i havent filled it to full and driven to empty yet but the gauge needle seems to fall to the bottom rather quickly.. i got about 250k from half a tank and thought that was ok i spose

[NileshP]

Just an addition, there is a class action being executed by Girrad Gibbs law firm in California USA on this matter.


While this car is generally impressive, watch out for the premature wear of the rear brake pads as mine wore out before 38,000KM on normal driving. At the 30K service, the report from the Honda approved dealer stated it to be 50% gone and I did not expect it to wear until the next service (that is 40K) but my bad it went without any warning. My rotors got damaged and had to be sanded at an additional cost. Read very bad reviews on US car complaints forum.

Wrote to Honda and was given told that this is due to VSA and other bullshit but my research of other similar cars (Nissan Maxima, Toyota Aurion etc) revealed that Honda brake pads are generally poor quality and nothing to do with VSA and equal distribution of force etc.

Just want you to alert you. Keep checking because my Honda service “specialists” are just button pushers and would take the computer readings as gospel truth.

[bono]

Thanks NileshP for your input. I've only got 2000kms on my Accord but I'm also concerned about the rear brake issue. Especially damage to the rotors as that is a more costly fix. Did you replace the brake pads with genuine Honda pads at the dealers? Also did you experience any screeching or squeeling of the discs? I'm normally pretty hard on the brakes when I drive so I'll see how far I'll get on the rear brake pads. It's good to hear some local input about this matter as I had the assumption that this issue only affect the Accords in the US market.

[Rudy]

Thanks NileshP for your input. I've only got 2000kms on my Accord but I'm also concerned about the rear brake issue. Especially damage to the rotors as that is a more costly fix. Did you replace the brake pads with genuine Honda pads at the dealers? Also did you experience any screeching or squeeling of the discs? I'm normally pretty hard on the brakes when I drive so I'll see how far I'll get on the rear brake pads. It's good to hear some local input about this matter as I had the assumption that this issue only affect the Accords in the US market.


Honda recently released the new rear and front break pad for accord in the US, implementing them into the '10 models. Theres no actual TSB or recall yet and I don't see there ever being one as its not a safety issue. So If you have premature wear , its pretty much up to the dealer discretion. Treat them nice, suck up etc. Ive heard some not covering it, some splitting 50/50 and some fully covering it. But they are all definitely aware of the issue. But until honda aus have this new part number here, I wouldnt replace my pads with the same 'faulty' unit, unless it was free replacement. Id go aftermarket like ceramic hawk pads or bendix which have parts for 8th gen now. And break gently doesn't hurt either. I break like a granny now.

[NileshP]

I paid a $330 for genuine Honda rear pads plus machining of the rotors as it was damaged by the worn pads. Mind you, there was no hint of the wear and the car was braking properly. I do a visual check every week and it looked okay but one evening as I was driving on M5 freeway with the rear windows down (something which I love doing off peak hours) when I heard a mild hissing sound. Took the car to the dealers the next morning and my fears came true. Honda Australia does not want to take the liability and thus was charged the full price. Have a letter from Honda to confirm this.

I am eagerly waiting for the result f the class action against Honda in the US.

Thanks for reading my post.

Nilesh


Thanks NileshP for your input. I've only got 2000kms on my Accord but I'm also concerned about the rear brake issue. Especially damage to the rotors as that is a more costly fix. Did you replace the brake pads with genuine Honda pads at the dealers? Also did you experience any screeching or squeeling of the discs? I'm normally pretty hard on the brakes when I drive so I'll see how far I'll get on the rear brake pads. It's good to hear some local input about this matter as I had the assumption that this issue only affect the Accords in the US market.

[bono]

I paid a $330 for genuine Honda rear pads plus machining of the rotors as it was damaged by the worn pads. Mind you, there was no hint of the wear and the car was braking properly. I do a visual check every week and it looked okay but one evening as I was driving on M5 freeway with the rear windows down (something which I love doing off peak hours) when I heard a mild hissing sound. Took the car to the dealers the next morning and my fears came true. Honda Australia does not want to take the liability and thus was charged the full price. Have a letter from Honda to confirm this.

I am eagerly waiting for the result f the class action against Honda in the US.

Thanks for reading my post.

Nilesh

OMG! That's not good enough Honda!!! If there's no obvious signs from the brakes that the pads are nearing the end of it's life or that damage to the rotors is happening, then couldn't that be a safety issue??? I decided to buy another Honda because of the good experience I had with my previous Civic. Maybe should've bought a Mazda instead. Thank you anyway, I'll just have to keep an eye out for any unusual sounds from the rear. Definitely wouldn't get ripped off by the dealer by getting the same crappy pads installed. Would rather put in some better aftermarket ones myself.

[bono]

Honda recently released the new rear and front break pad for accord in the US, implementing them into the '10 models. Theres no actual TSB or recall yet and I don't see there ever being one as its not a safety issue. So If you have premature wear , its pretty much up to the dealer discretion. Treat them nice, suck up etc. Ive heard some not covering it, some splitting 50/50 and some fully covering it. But they are all definitely aware of the issue. But until honda aus have this new part number here, I wouldnt replace my pads with the same 'faulty' unit, unless it was free replacement. Id go aftermarket like ceramic hawk pads or bendix which have parts for 8th gen now. And break gently doesn't hurt either. I break like a granny now.

I agree there probaby will never be any recalls on this issue by Honda, unless people start dying because of it (touch wood). The Bendix pads sound good. Where can you get the ceramic hawk pads??? Thanks

[Zimp13]

i better change the rear pad to be bendix first then.....

[Zimp13]

called autobahn and comfirmed with bendix... rear brake pad not available atm... looking around march or april

[NileshP]

Thanks for your contributions guys. It's great to know that bendix will be releasing a good set of pads for our Accords soon. Will never use a Honda brake pad for as long as I own this car.

I previously had a Nissan Maxima (98 model) and never replaced pads before 60-70K even when the car was old. The only reason I never bought a Maxima was that I didn't like the design of the 2004 model. Wish I had waited for the 2009 model which looks as good as an Accord and has a 2.5L V6.




OMG! That's not good enough Honda!!! If there's no obvious signs from the brakes that the pads are nearing the end of it's life or that damage to the rotors is happening, then couldn't that be a safety issue??? I decided to buy another Honda because of the good experience I had with my previous Civic. Maybe should've bought a Mazda instead. Thank you anyway, I'll just have to keep an eye out for any unusual sounds from the rear. Definitely wouldn't get ripped off by the dealer by getting the same crappy pads installed. Would rather put in some better aftermarket ones myself.

[Accord Basic]

where is the honda accord 09 model made? In Japan? How is it compare with Nissan Maxima ST-S. from price and built quaility.

[NileshP]

All Maximas are made in Japan. Honda Accords are made in Thailand and Accord Euros in Japan.

I owned a 1998 model Maxima before my Accord and since it was a V6, I can't draw a fair comparison with Accord VTi.

I love my Accord apart from two major flaws I posted on this forum. Maxima takes the cake for quieter cabin (that is absorbs road noise much better), and the seats are heavenly soft. My wife complaints that sitting in the Accord is like sitting on a wooden bench [She loves everything else about the Accord, though]

While slightly more expensive, the base edition of Maxima comes with a smaller v6 engine, which has been winning awards for over a decade, leather interior, trip computer, dual zone air-condition and loads of extras.



where is the honda accord 09 model made? In Japan? How is it compare with Nissan Maxima ST-S. from price and built quaility.

[emma55]

good soul

[snajper]

My accord strarted squelling very loudly non-stop(whether braking or not, the whole street could hear my car aproaching), indicating that the brakes are due for replacement. Took it to the dealer, they replaced the brakes and the noise is gone. There are some metal inserts that prevent rotor damage.
VSA excuse doesn't cut it bcs I sold my Euro(VSA) with 60k on clock and still had 60% left on all four brakes.
Not only do they wear off quickly but the Honda brakes are squeking non stop when braking.
Accord is nice comfortable car as long as you replace the brakes with Bendix once they wear off and if you can fix the parcel rattle yourself.

[Sir_vtec]

Bump to an old thread.

Has anyone actually had experience with the 3.5L v6 version? It has the VCM which changes how many cyclinders its running on depending on the type of driving.

Planning to get the v6 one as it pumps out max 202kw compared to the pathetic 2.4L ivtec (133kw) and the euro's panzy 148kw which is not enough for a body thats quite heavy.

[Ollie89]

Hi,

Im only new here on this forum :) i am about to buy the NEW Honda Accord Euro Luxury Nav 2010 Model for about $50k.

All options added :)

Reading this threaded has actually boosted my confidence in the car :D by ALOT ive seen and been for a test drive and its fantastic :D love the car.

Come to think about it, i go for the Euro because its BEST for Price and Looks! think about it... the things i am getting in the Euro will not been seen in a Audi A4 or Lexus IS250 they ask for too much!

Budget was 50k best buy from my likings is the Euro :) ive seen the Mazda 6 EWW! no good! seen the Subaru Liberty MASSIVE EWWW! yuk! lol

Anyways i have a MASSIVE PROBLEM :( and that is the COLOUR :( ( i cant make my mind up ) lol HELP!!!

I loveeeeeeeeeeeeee WHITE! seen the Black in it is BEAUTIFUL but i dont want to go away from WHITE! what are people perspective on colour on White or Black nothing else.

Thank you :)

[brokenback]

Bump to an old thread.
Has anyone actually had experience with the 3.5L v6 version? It has the VCM which changes how many cyclinders its running on depending on the type of driving.

Planning to get the v6 one as it pumps out max 202kw compared to the pathetic 2.4L ivtec (133kw) and the euro's panzy 148kw which is not enough for a body thats quite heavy.

You have to consider that the V6 adds around 135kg over the the base model and around 95kg more than the base Euro auto.

The vti Accord (non-euro) isn't a rocket but it's ok if you put it in S and use the paddle shifters;)..FWIW.

[YBJLS4]

lol you guys want rockets for four doors with looks go an is250 or 350gt.

[YBJLS4]

and in my honest opinion they both look better than the euro

[brokenback]

and in my honest opinion they both look better than the euro

....aaannnd they they cost a packet more to boot...so they should.

[Ollie89]

lol you guys want rockets for four doors with looks go an is250 or 350gt.

Defiantly sounds good if you have the extra $12-15k to spend on a top quailty NEW IS250. :(

[Danzvtil]

HI Guys
Noob here, finally a kick ass honda forum!!!!
We have an 09 Accord VTI-L in Gun Metal, and have owned it for 9 months. Our family have owned mitsubishis for the last 10 yrs, but when push came to shove no mitsi really excited us, we also considered an Aurion but couldnt justify $30k on a car in every rental fleet in the country.Our other consideration was to buy a 4-6 yr old Audi for $30k as I LOVE the look of them, but we'd heard too many horror stories about them.
Our Honda was a demo and drives beautifully, the wife was worried about trading from a V6 to a 4cyl but the accord is no slouch, all u need is a winding country road, trans in "S" and play with the gears like a playstation!
The first night after taking delivery, I thought we'd made a mistake as the ride seemed too firm and seats too hard, but this you get used to.After driving from ADL to MELB (768 kays) on 2/3 tank and 8 hrs behind the wheel, i arrived feeling fresh with no fatigue, unlike my work ute- an 09 FG Falcon-which is too soft and kills your back and legs.
A rattle in the rear parcel shelf was fixed first go by our Honda dealer, they knew excactly what they were doing, which was a relief, ive never had success with rattles fixed under warranty by Ford or Nissan in the past.
LOVES
Styling of the front
Black leather
Sunroof
Seat Heaters
Killer Stereo
Economy
Interior feels like quality(except 1 point below)

DISLIKES
Rear styling-not quite right
Ride quite firm on 17's
Old fashioned arm hinges on the boot lid
No speed alert
Plastic on lower dash looks and feels hard-seems cheap
No bluetooth standard-needs to be on a $40k car

This car feels solid, is economical to run, our dealer (Formula at Modbury) provides first class service, overall we are very happy with the experience and will buy Honda again definately.