jackson racing superchargers

[shin2chou]

do the jrsc's 99-00 Civic Si Supercharger System work on a 96 ek4? anyone with experience with working with these kits?? opinions would be much appreciated as to how much they can actually boost a car's performance. i couldnt find any useful online reviews, so if anyone could link that would also be helpful.
i was trying to find info on where i could buy these apart from www.supercharger.com, are there any australian distributors??

[beeza]

check out d-series.org and honda-tech.com,there will be guys on there who have done it!

[DEMON83]

do the jrsc's 99-00 Civic Si Supercharger System work on a 96 ek4? anyone with experience with working with these kits?? opinions would be much appreciated as to how much they can actually boost a car's performance. i couldnt find any useful online reviews, so if anyone could link that would also be helpful.
i was trying to find info on where i could buy these apart from www.supercharger.com, are there any australian distributors??

yes it will, EK4 same as EM1.

[shin2chou]

does anyone have personal experience working with these? pros? cons? thanks for input

[beeza]

Doubt it on here.

[Lukezen27]

do the jrsc's 99-00 Civic Si Supercharger System work on a 96 ek4? anyone with experience with working with these kits?? opinions would be much appreciated as to how much they can actually boost a car's performance. i couldnt find any useful online reviews, so if anyone could link that would also be helpful.
i was trying to find info on where i could buy these apart from www.supercharger.com (http://www.supercharger.com), are there any australian distributors??

OK to start with!!!

1. What motor do you have?
2. What mods have been done to it?

3. Why choose to Supercharge?
4. Why not turbocharge?

5. What are your power goals?
6. What's your intended use! i.e. track or drag?

Do you understand why there's not many Supercharged 1.6/1.8L liter motors out there?


Doubt it on here.

Supercharged would be far easier to install than a turbo kit IMO

[shin2chou]

1. b16
2. intake, header, exhaust
3. near to no lag, good low end torque for everyday driving?, less destructive on the engine per se? im thinking it will be relatively cheaper, linear power!
4. under impression of turbo-ing a honda costs quite a bit
5. anything over 180whp would be ample currently 137

anywhos im under the impression that with a jrsc the b16 runs similar to that of a b16/20?? a new jrsc kit from their site costs 2.9k i think? if you can think of a cheaper way to net power gains im all ears. :D and reliability to me is a big issue, id rather have something low maintenance and pay a bit more than something thats gonna cause me trouble down the track

[eg5civic]

someones was selling a JRSC on here not too long ago..

[beeza]

Supercharged would be far easier to install than a turbo kit IMO

A supercharger would be awesome!

[Lukezen27]

1. b16
2. intake, header, exhaust
3. near to no lag, good low end torque for everyday driving?, less destructive on the engine per se? im thinking it will be relatively cheaper, linear power!
4. under impression of turbo-ing a honda costs quite a bit
5. anything over 180whp would be ample currently 137

anywhos im under the impression that with a jrsc the b16 runs similar to that of a b16/20?? a new jrsc kit from their site costs 2.9k i think? if you can think of a cheaper way to net power gains im all ears. :D and reliability to me is a big issue, id rather have something low maintenance and pay a bit more than something thats gonna cause me trouble down the track

you'll get lag with such a small motor trying to run the supercharger...

[xtan]

you'll get lag with such a small motor trying to run the supercharger...

regardless, still less than a turbo :wave:

[shin2chou]

well i just thought having something close to that of a b16/20 without all the hassle of actually working on the engine would be very nice, back to my original question any australian distributors or people with experience?

[Lukezen27]

regardless, still less than a turbo :wave:

<--------------- 161kw $3.5K

[6thgear]

i think capa in perth used to distribute. i'm not sure if they still do. give them a call, but i think check out some US websites as more experience in the states. goodluck in your quest!

[**Ghost**]

I researched a little on a JRSC for a K20A at one stage.

Installation costs and initial outlay might be a bit lower than turbocharging (depending on where you go).

Just two things you may want to keep in mind:

1. Budget in engine management
2. Depending your installer and how much fabrication you do, you might lose the air conditioning. (which was the reason why i never went with it)

[Tegzieboi_BAR]

well i just thought having something close to that of a b16/20 without all the hassle of actually working on the engine would be very nice, back to my original question any australian distributors or people with experience?

IMO doing a B20 Conv would be more hassle free n cheaper than a S/C.

Besides... working on engine = good fun :D

[shin2chou]

I researched a little on a JRSC for a K20A at one stage.

Installation costs and initial outlay might be a bit lower than turbocharging (depending on where you go).

Just two things you may want to keep in mind:

1. Budget in engine management
2. Depending your installer and how much fabrication you do, you might lose the air conditioning. (which was the reason why i never went with it)

you can elaborate on that? engine management? i always thought the jrsc for the b16 was a straight bolt on?

[Blulude98]

well i just thought having something close to that of a b16/20 without all the hassle of actually working on the engine would be very nice, back to my original question any australian distributors or people with experience?

No there are not any Australian Distributors here you will need to source a charger from the states, try Ebay US and grab the Jackson Racing charger as it's a bolt on deal.
I bought a Jackson Racing charger for my ITR but never ended up fitting it as i didnt want to start hacking my engine loom to make way for it to fit. Personally i would rather Turbo, superchargers need to run cool otherwise it wont make the power they claim they do and your car will run like sh*t might even blow a headgasket, if you want to get then running cool then you will need to do this to the charger, it's a cooler system from LHT : http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/lht-performance/391168-lht-s-c-intercooler-install.html
Now if you add it up a S/Charger and Cooler from LHT then your up for some $$ and for that amount you would rather just buy a Turbo setup and make way more power and it will be more fun to drive.

[6thgear]

personally i thought it would be refreshing to see some supercharged setups on a honda...just something a little different for something in oz as there arent too many around compared to turbo...whatever floats ur boat though

[ewendc2r]

Hi,

I am the one with the JRSC kit that might still be up for sale .. But thinking of keeping it now..

Anyhow for up to 300whp in a DC2R, the roots setup has little fault.. You will need to look into a LHT Cooler setup (check out LHT performance) and theres another $1000-$1500.. The charger is a massive heater really, at boost levels above 8psi, heat really starts to ramp up. They can't really run efficiently above 12-13psi..

I've done a fair amount of research into the setups and various options to arrive at my decision for my requirements ... let me know if you need any info.

[Dart]

I have jrsc on my race car, It is the best set up imo. I have aqua mist water injection to keep the temps down. No lag what so ever, the supercharger is always spining and when you put your foot down the butterfly closes and redirects the air but at crusing i does not use the supercharger as there is not enough vacume to close the butterfly so still good fuel economy.

If you want 22 psi of boost and 800hp supercharger is not for you
I f you want a car that feels like a standard car but with tracker pulling torque bust out the superchqarger.

Plus if your exhaust is quiet enough the whin from the charger is mad:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[eg5civic]

what car you running the jrsc on??

and power specs??

[TODA AU]

do the jrsc's 99-00 Civic Si Supercharger System work on a 96 ek4? anyone with experience with working with these kits?? opinions would be much appreciated as to how much they can actually boost a car's performance. i couldnt find any useful online reviews, so if anyone could link that would also be helpful.
i was trying to find info on where i could buy these apart from www.supercharger.com (http://www.supercharger.com), are there any australian distributors??

I've always disliked the original Jackson kit for the B-series,
I was reminded why about 2 weeks ago when a customer brought one in to be tuned...
Fitted to a DC2R, the poor B18C7 battled to make 105kw at the wheels...
Sure, if it had a tuneable ECU I would have found more than just stuffing with the rising rate reg, the ignition timing & the Vtec/fuel controller...
But not a lot more...
There's a lot of myths on the net about superchargers & their lag of lag & amazing instant response...
To be frank, it's all horseshit.
Reality is there is no lag & no power...
Response is worse than stock..
Yes it makes full boost of 5psi by 4000rpm... But this then drops away to 3~4psi by redline.
IMO, it should be illegal to sell this sort of crap as a performance product.
The New Jackson kits are a diiferent story...
(But they're not available for B-series)

So anyway, in a nut shell...
I've tuned loads of B-series... N/A, turbo, supercharged, NOS etc....
I can state honestly that I have never ever seen a B-series supercharged engine that made me go..WOW!
N/A, I've seen wow engines... Turbo, same deal... NoS is just plain funny...
But superchargers on little wee engines.... Naaa not impressed.
That covers other kits like Vortech too

So anyway...
Advice... Have a good long think about it before you do it.
It's a lot of money for very little performance gain.
Cheers

[beeza]

Hmmm,I'm getting a good feel for what a supercharger would achieve/be/feel like.

[Dart]

I've always disliked the original Jackson kit for the B-series,
I was reminded why about 2 weeks ago when a customer brought one in to be tuned...
Fitted to a DC2R, the poor B18C7 battled to make 105kw at the wheels...
Sure, if it had a tuneable ECU I would have found more than just stuffing with the rising rate reg, the ignition timing & the Vtec/fuel controller...
But not a lot more...
There's a lot of myths on the net about superchargers & their lag of lag & amazing instant response...
To be frank, it's all horseshit.
Reality is there is no lag & no power...
Response is worse than stock..
Yes it makes full boost of 5psi by 4000rpm... But this then drops away to 3~4psi by redline.
IMO, it should be illegal to sell this sort of crap as a performance product.
The New Jackson kits are a diiferent story...
(But they're not available for B-series)

So anyway, in a nut shell...
I've tuned loads of B-series... N/A, turbo, supercharged, NOS etc....
I can state honestly that I have never ever seen a B-series supercharged engine that made me go..WOW!
N/A, I've seen wow engines... Turbo, same deal... NoS is just plain funny...
But superchargers on little wee engines.... Naaa not impressed.
That covers other kits like Vortech too

So anyway...
Advice... Have a good long think about it before you do it.
It's a lot of money for very little performance gain.
Cheers

Normally i agree with the stuff you say but as I race with one I have a different opinion. I run motec and water injection. my first race engine built by a nuffer made 115 na, supercharged 160kw , that engine retired after 7 years of racing. ( many excuses for that power ,,badly over ported head etc) I had a rex for a while and hated that lagy feel waiting for the boost out of corners, ( may be in the tune could of fixed it) but that and many other turbo cars I have been in or driven have lead me to like the jrsc.

Check out American touga 2 or 3 where they have a jrsc on a k20 ellise.. it rocked

it's good to here other opinions on this but I love the jrsc.

I have gone all out / over kill with the new race engine, could handle 800 hp turbo install but im happy with the charger

[eg5civic]

Normally i agree with the stuff you say but as I race with one I have a different opinion. I run motec and water injection. my first race engine built by a nuffer made 115 na, supercharged 160kw , that engine retired after 7 years of racing. ( many excuses for that power ,,badly over ported head etc) I had a rex for a while and hated that lagy feel waiting for the boost out of corners, ( may be in the tune could of fixed it) but that and many other turbo cars I have been in or driven have lead me to like the jrsc.

Check out American touga 2 or 3 where they have a jrsc on a k20 ellise.. it rocked

it's good to here other opinions on this but I love the jrsc.

I have gone all out / over kill with the new race engine, could handle 800 hp turbo install but im happy with the charger



The New Jackson kits are a diiferent story...
(But they're not available for B-series)



The k20 elise may rock but adrian did mention that the new jrsc's are a different story, so i'm assuming they are available for k series

[6thgear]

I've always disliked the original Jackson kit for the B-series,
I was reminded why about 2 weeks ago when a customer brought one in to be tuned...
Fitted to a DC2R, the poor B18C7 battled to make 105kw at the wheels...
Sure, if it had a tuneable ECU I would have found more than just stuffing with the rising rate reg, the ignition timing & the Vtec/fuel controller...
But not a lot more...
There's a lot of myths on the net about superchargers & their lag of lag & amazing instant response...
To be frank, it's all horseshit.
Reality is there is no lag & no power...
Response is worse than stock..
Yes it makes full boost of 5psi by 4000rpm... But this then drops away to 3~4psi by redline.
IMO, it should be illegal to sell this sort of crap as a performance product.
The New Jackson kits are a diiferent story...
(But they're not available for B-series)

So anyway, in a nut shell...
I've tuned loads of B-series... N/A, turbo, supercharged, NOS etc....
I can state honestly that I have never ever seen a B-series supercharged engine that made me go..WOW!
N/A, I've seen wow engines... Turbo, same deal... NoS is just plain funny...
But superchargers on little wee engines.... Naaa not impressed.
That covers other kits like Vortech too

So anyway...
Advice... Have a good long think about it before you do it.
It's a lot of money for very little performance gain.
Cheers

i'm assuming you're talking specifically supercharging b-series engines? i must say imo, supercharging would be better suited to larger capacity engines, minimum 2litres...as they "use power to make power"

[lookingforboost]

Superchargers are for big V8s that dont have a problem turing them over, dont get me wrong i think that it would be cool to see one on a little car but bang for buck turbo will produce more power just as reliably.

[shin2chou]

Hi,

I am the one with the JRSC kit that might still be up for sale .. But thinking of keeping it now..

Anyhow for up to 300whp in a DC2R, the roots setup has little fault.. You will need to look into a LHT Cooler setup (check out LHT performance) and theres another $1000-$1500.. The charger is a massive heater really, at boost levels above 8psi, heat really starts to ramp up. They can't really run efficiently above 12-13psi..

I've done a fair amount of research into the setups and various options to arrive at my decision for my requirements ... let me know if you need any info.

hihi, was wondering what type of budget i would be looking at to make a jrsc run smoothly and efficiently on a b16 how much extra would i be looking at for a intercooler?

im not completely set on a sc atm but from what ive read on hondatech. a lot of people have had positive results.. also considering the revhard turbo kits? but as for all turbos... unsure about the reliability without a reasonably built engine??

thanks your insight toda guy

[**Ghost**]

you can elaborate on that? engine management? i always thought the jrsc for the b16 was a straight bolt on?

u can bolt it on mechanically and perhaps get it to work off a fuel pressure regulator or something...

but i'm quite certain to get anything out of it you need an aftermarket ECU management of some sort to change your fuel, ignition, etc to make use of the mod.

I'm not sure how a standard obd2 ECU would handle the addition of a supercharger actually, not an expert by any means, but i can assure you it wont handle it well.

[ewendc2r]

u can bolt it on mechanically and perhaps get it to work off a fuel pressure regulator or something...

but i'm quite certain to get anything out of it you need an aftermarket ECU management of some sort to change your fuel, ignition, etc to make use of the mod.

I'm not sure how a standard obd2 ECU would handle the addition of a supercharger actually, not an expert by any means, but i can assure you it wont handle it well.


Can get it to work with FPR up to a certain boost level, above 7psi you really need to upgrade fuel pump and get standalone management. Do it properly otherwise it will end in tears and lacklustre performance.. nothing is cheap!

Interesting person above said would need larger engine for SC setup vs Turbo... I actually think the opposite. I want torque and response, i don't need peak horsepower. thus SC is perfect. On a larger engine, say v8, as there is much more exhaust gas I would think better to turbo and pick up the top end as the torque is already there.

[Limbo]

2 1/2 yrs on with a turbo kit on stock motor, still going strong. (171kwatw)
It get hit on the track also whenever i get a chance.
Just keep it below 10PSI and generally it will be fine.

If you want super reliable, run it at 6-8PSI will still make at least 120k+ atw


hihi, was wondering what type of budget i would be looking at to make a jrsc run smoothly and efficiently on a b16 how much extra would i be looking at for a intercooler?

im not completely set on a sc atm but from what ive read on hondatech. a lot of people have had positive results.. also considering the revhard turbo kits? but as for all turbos... unsure about the reliability without a reasonably built engine??

thanks your insight toda guy

[Lukezen27]

Interesting person above said would need larger engine for SC setup vs Turbo... I actually think the opposite. I want torque and response, i don't need peak horsepower. thus SC is perfect. On a larger engine, say v8, as there is much more exhaust gas I would think better to turbo and pick up the top end as the torque is already there.\

Ryans correct, bigger motors for SC

SC runs off the crank and thus steals power from the motor to get going...

The bigger touque motos can deal with the starting loss but the poor little 1.6L has a hard time lol

[Dart]

i would love to here if there was any hondas doing circuit racing running 22 psi of boost , and doing 10 laps with out probs ,, supercharger drives like a dream ,, i see a lot of messing around with small turbo, large turbo, boost coming on down low, boost coming on up high,, to much hassel ,,, just bolt on the jrsc drives awesome ( WITH A GOOD COMPUTER)

[shin2chou]

Can get it to work with FPR up to a certain boost level, above 7psi you really need to upgrade fuel pump and get standalone management. Do it properly otherwise it will end in tears and lacklustre performance.. nothing is cheap!

Interesting person above said would need larger engine for SC setup vs Turbo... I actually think the opposite. I want torque and response, i don't need peak horsepower. thus SC is perfect. On a larger engine, say v8, as there is much more exhaust gas I would think better to turbo and pick up the top end as the torque is already there.

this is exactly my train of thought

[lookingforboost]

not saying that a super charger setup is is bad or not to do it, just bang for buck a turbo will produce more power and torque than a supercharger and reliablity wise your forcing boost into an engine either via a turbo or a supercharger running to much boost bad tune bad fuel or not maintaining it will cause reliablity issues i would not say either is better than the other, if you want a performance car then service it like a performance car and it will stay around for the long run :)

space is the issue for V8s why they dont turbo superchager sits nicely between the V :) and its been a V8 thing for years ;)

but your seriously considering supercharging it i am not saying dont do it i think it will be awesome just set it up right and make sure its what suits your needs and driving style mabe go for a drive in a supercharged car and a turbo car try them out.

looking for about 1000 for a good cooler setup and anywhere from 1500 to what ever you want to spend on ecu and tuning.

[Cal289]

Hi,

I am the one with the JRSC kit that might still be up for sale .. But thinking of keeping it now..

Anyhow for up to 300whp in a DC2R, the roots setup has little fault.. You will need to look into a LHT Cooler setup (check out LHT performance) and theres another $1000-$1500.. The charger is a massive heater really, at boost levels above 8psi, heat really starts to ramp up. They can't really run efficiently above 12-13psi..

I've done a fair amount of research into the setups and various options to arrive at my decision for my requirements ... let me know if you need any info.

How much are you after for the jrsc kit ? pm me if you want

[ewendc2r]

I will post the link below to the sale thread.. Basically the kit is something I searched for about 2 years until I found one I was happy with --- there are a lot that have been over boosted and mistreated... This one has less than 5000miles on it and was inspected by magnusson in the states prior to being sent over. also has the important s tube modification that reduces IAT significantly (producing more power). I am including everything other than ECU -- I haven't installed it, it may be missing a bolt here or there but I doubt it, looks quite complete and you reuse some of the oem bolts when you take off the manifold and relocate the alternator...

includes 440cc injectors (RC), Brand New 255L Walbro pump etc etc .. Recommend seriously getting an ECU otherwise you WILL have shit results, the FPR is known to fail, reguarly.. Oh and they can run higher boost again if you modify the actual supercharger *wink* do some research haha .. :) There is a M90 kit (without P/S and A/C) in the states just made by some workshop --- good for 450whp at 18psi!!!! Thats definitely on the cards in the future if it gets to the crazy level and taken off the streets. The noise of the charger is deafening.

To those who say the charger is too big for the engine.... Think about what you are saying... The charger is also smaller than the charger used for the big v8's ... It takes less HP (but yes, still robs the engine of some power) just as a turbo takes away power from the exhaust restriction --- nothing is for free in this world..

BUT

The end result -- Yes it takes power to run a supercharger, but as soon as it starts turning the charger over, it is also developing more power... *smacks forehead*.. Not sure why some people open their mouth sometimes...

Beauty of it is that you can wire the bypass valve open so that you can drive with it installed on a NA tune (assuming you don't install the larger injectors and fuel pump at this stage) until you dyno tune it .... Don't see that happening with a turbo?

Rotors look crisp -- almost like new. As I said, if you want to go above 9psi then I absolutely recommend getting a LHT cooler and doing it properly.

[ewendc2r]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123668&highlight=440

Swear I had more info than that lol.. As I said -- I am negotiable on the price, it cost me over 300 to get it shipped here..

Oh yeah - Comes with throttle body too, oversized for JRSC.. All you need is the intake plenum and a pod filter really... easy to make up and bang in.

[lookingforboost]

yeah i just the the wastegate flap open and run a N/A computer no problems getting it to tuner ;)

all in all i am keen to see someone do it :)