Gearbox???

[Age_S2000]

as some of you might know my gearbox is crunching 3rd and its finnally time to get her out n get it rebuilt.

iv gotten quotes on Second hand boxs and there $1750 or more depending on condition or i can get mine fully rebuilt for $1500.

iv heard or read somewere that AP2 Syncros are the bomb BUT i went to honda today to see whats goin on and a few internals are different between 00 - 03 and 04 onwards.

has enyone with an AP1 put AP2 syncros or other components into there AP1 box?

[ludecrs]

Should be able to pick up a 2nd hand box for far less than 1750 on the 2nd hand market.

I'll have a hunt round for ya.

[Age_S2000]

thanks heaps man i sent the message out to about 10 different wreckers 4 got back to me with the same quote $1750 - 2200 depending on condition :(

also doesnt the AP2 have different 1st and 2nd ratios :S

[F20C]

they are compared to usdm s2000's and i dont think audm s2000's came with the cf synchros.

[Age_S2000]

hmm im getting a stage 2 puddymod soon but i want a good gear box too with out spending 5 - 10k on PPG gear sets

[F20C]

Just get a reco on your box and look after it with the right lubes and what not and im sure you should be fine. Dont forget the person who had it before you might not have looked after it at all and was bound to go at any given moment. I think untill your going to go f/i then you will need something abit stronger.

[Age_S2000]

ever since i changer to DEX3 in the gearbox the cruching has become less occurant and the shifting is so so so much smoother. so i think if i do get her build its back to dex3 for me.

[F20C]

I dunno dude at the end of the day its your choice. IMO i'd get a rebuild only because its just like new. and i know if you were to try and source out ap2 synchros it wont be cheap. But goodluck man.

[stndrd]

i would run a thinner viscosity synthetic gearbox oil, say a 70w90, instead of running atf dex3. but your choice at the end of the day

[ludecrs]

http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h139027423

Bout $850 + post.

Same guy also has an F20C for $2K + post.

[Age_S2000]

lol bro i dont speak japanese lol how will i comunicate have u baught somthing of that similar sight before?

actually my cousin teaches it so it should be ok lol

[ludecrs]

LOL Yer I was expecting to find one in AU for about that price, but I haven't come across any that I'd consider a decent price, and I was browsing yahoo JP last night and saw that instead :p

[winkyc]

sorry if its off the topic but same title.

is the s2000 gearbox notchy when u change gears
or is it suppose to be smooth?


sometimes my gear change is so smooth
and sometimes it different gears its just abit notchy.
like theres something in the way.. not that i can't
push it through or anything and need force

i just want my gear change smooth everytime
but wanted to see if that was normal?

thought maybe i needed thicker gearbox oil
but prefer to use OEM oil

[Age_S2000]

thicker oil isnt the way to go at all.

try use DEX3 i think its liquid gold for gearboxs

[ludecrs]

http://page3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c216024104

[Age_S2000]

:( :( :( now i really need a gear box :( :( :( just blew 2nd gear

PS thanks ludecrs for ur help its greatly appreciated

[ludecrs]

That one I linked above is $55K Yen, or approx ~$700 + post, however the cost to post it in your current need for a box renders it useless unless you plan to have the car off the road for 2 months while you wait for it to arrive by boat.

I'm surprised I haven't found one in AU for sale yet, let alone one cheap enough to warrant buying. I have come across a few engine & box for sale, may have to persuade a seller to seperate them?

[JAP-S2K]

thicker oil isnt the way to go at all.

try use DEX3 i think its liquid gold for gearboxs


There is a reason why a certain viscosity is used and/or recommended by a manufacturer, it has cause and reason. Otherwise honda would have run a thinner oil. Using a thin oil, always makes the gears mesh nicely when the box is cold, however once the gearbox heats up, the oil thins out, thus escaping bearings, which will cause more friction, more friction equals more heat, more heat equals metal expansion, metal expansion equals more load on bearings and shafts as well as an increase of gearbox temp, all adding to premature wear and possibly a potential failure.

Best you use whats recommended. Most don't have box issues running OEM gearbox fluid, unless you go F/I.

[stndrd]

+1 jap-s2k. brilliantly put

[ludecrs]

Someone rep the man. I can't, he's received too much from me already. LOL.

[stndrd]

rep added. done and dusted =]

[ludecrs]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Honda-S2000-Low-Km-Front-Cut_W0QQitemZ260553651607QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car _Parts_Accessories?hash=item3caa353597

Front cut + box + diff, based in Brisbane.

I know Tamay needs a diff, and you need a box.......

I know exactly where the shop is so if you wanna give them a call see what they say I can have a look at it for you if you like?

I also know the OzH member who imported it on my MSN ; but it looks like he's sold the front cut and stuff to these guys.

[Age_S2000]

it doesnt say how many kms are on it. i emailed them asking if they will sperate but i highly doubt it hopfully they will and hopefully its got less then 50k on it because i found this for a VERY good price of only $2358 landed
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Honda-S2000-F20C-6-Speed-Gearbox-Gearstick-7-000miles_W0QQitemZ170437499215QQcmdZViewItemQQptZU K_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item27aeddd9 4f

i need a diff too but im getting a stage 2 puddymod as im gonna turbo the car eventually and he said he will do one for me for $1950US Delivered cant knock that back lol

[ludecrs]

Its got 42,000km on it (the ebay advert I linked you).

[Age_S2000]

hows your gearbox holding up ludcrs i think im harsh/quick shifting is whats done the damage :(

eny one on here care to donate $5000 lol trying my luck even tho its prob one in a million lol

[AusS2000]

I just bought a box on ebay for $260.

It has damage at the output end and no word on it otherwise.

We'll see if it's salvageable. I want it for some electrical experiments. :LOL:

[ludecrs]

I saw that one for sale.

What are your plans? AP2 internals?

[AusS2000]

Nah, two separate projects.

I want to make up an adaptor plate for an electric motor.

and

Solenoid activated gear change for paddle shift gearbox.

[Simy]

i need a box too.. i think i blew it 2 nights ago going into 2nd gear.. quickly.. lol aftah a new HD clutch was put in.. -_-... cant even drive the car.. it sounds like metal on metal warfare every time i engage the clutch

[Age_S2000]

That's what happened to me I shifted to quick and in stead of the wheels chirping I heard a huge bang instead  lost 2nd gear comletely crusied it home in 3rd I have found a few very good low km gearboxs I just don't have $2000+ to spend on one and my bloody diff is noisy too after a night at Calder park so I'm trying to save for a puddymod then I'll fix the car all at once untill then I'm cruising around in my sexy Hyundai excel lol

[F20C]

That's what happened to me I shifted to quick and in stead of the wheels chirping I heard a huge bang instead  lost 2nd gear comletely crusied it home in 3rd I have found a few very good low km gearboxs I just don't have $2000+ to spend on one and my bloody diff is noisy too after a night at Calder park so I'm trying to save for a puddymod then I'll fix the car all at once untill then I'm cruising around in my sexy Hyundai excel lol

lol age, i had to drive my mrs hyundai excel till insurance paid up and till i bought a new car. Atleast your cars still there lol. I havent seen your car in awhile.. infact since that cruise to hp LOL any new mods? BL on the box man. 2jz swap it with the engine haha. I wanna see someone in melb do it :(

[Age_S2000]

id be keen on it but heres a few reasons why

1. Cost: getting an engine, loom, computer, transmission, mounts and a tail shaft not to mention tuning and all the other bits and pieces and getting the cluster to work plus engine modifications including internals

2. Output: probably not that much more if u spend the same going FI on an F20C motor including lower comp pistons big turbo shit loads of boost etc etc
lets face it we should all know of the (USA) Red S2000 with a 2JZ Auto running 8.8 down the quarter and the (MEXICO) Red S2000 with and F20C Manual running 8.9 down the quarter so is it worth it id rather have a fast F20 honestly its GOT VTEC YO lol :P

[F20C]

haha guess so.. gotta love the "s2000 from hell" vtec is the bomb

[Simy]

hey age s2000.. were in the same boat.. lol.. my cars been in the workshop for about a week.. they pulled apart my gearbox to see the damage.. the teeth for 2nd gear are like almost all gone..lol..

anyone ideas with places to get a new box.. hopefully under 2gs?.. called some wreakers.. they want my box plus 3g ontop for one of theirs.. aparently only done 10,000k thou

[civicboy84]

Age, if you can get it rebuilt for 1500, you're crazy not to do that. Like new. source some heavy duty synchros and shit and shell never play up again. Maybe also learn how to double clutch....might save you some wear?

[trex101]

I was told by my mechanic that Redline MTL 70w80 GL-4 gear oil is the best for S2000 gear box, thin enough for smooth shifting but loaded with tons of extreme wear additives, nothing is more prefect than that.

[JAP-S2K]

Redline does make them shift nicely, but thin oil's aren't necessarily good. O.K under normal driving conditon's, and the odd quick change here and there. But not good for circuit or where the gearbox will see high operating tempertures.

[Simy]

got a qoute.. $3900 all up to fix my box.. i took off all the teeth on 2nd gear.. lol worth it? bcuz the parts from honda cost 1800 alone. includes gearbox out, taken to specialist, install, then gearbox back in.. and i dun remember what else there was

[trex101]

Redline does make them shift nicely, but thin oil's aren't necessarily good. O.K under normal driving conditon's, and the odd quick change here and there. But not good for circuit or where the gearbox will see high operating tempertures.

You are right, Redline MTL might not be ideal for track or racing purposes, was told to use Redline super lightweight shockproof but i pass on that as my FD is use as a daily grocery getter.

[ludecrs]

got a qoute.. $3900 all up to fix my box.. i took off all the teeth on 2nd gear.. lol worth it? bcuz the parts from honda cost 1800 alone. includes gearbox out, taken to specialist, install, then gearbox back in.. and i dun remember what else there was

Cheaper to import an entire AP2 box from the US. lol

[euromandeluxe]

Cheaper to import an entire AP2 box from the US. lol

incl. labour for install?

[Age_S2000]

quoted $1750 over the phone to rebuild mine ;) i have a feeling tho thats gonna change when they see it hahaha :( :(

[Simy]

where did you get your qoute from age??

i smashed 2nd gear driven gear, and the driver gear.. that main big shaft..lol

[ludecrs]

Found a replacement in AU for $1300 for those interested.

First in best dressed. Shoot me a PM.

[jbird]

Found a replacement in AU for $1300 for those interested.

First in best dressed. Shoot me a PM.

You've got insane S2000 parts finding ability.

[Age_S2000]

ok so i finally got my gearbox rebuild

as u can c in the pictures the gears on the mainshaft got taken clean off this is the result of shifting like the world is gonna end lol as well as the missing/broken teeth on 2nd gear.

as a result the box needed a FULL reco as metal got into every nook n crany n wrecked the lot.

thanks to the good people at Hondworld they supplied and fitted all new genuine :honda: parts $2650 later :(

so well see how we go this time around

thanks to every one that helped me try to find parts and gearboxes it was much appreciated

* Next up Stage 2 puddymod diff with 4.30gears and fittment of my new Hardrace drive shaft spacers :) *

[JAP-S2K]

Whoo.... talk about crunchy nut!Haha.

Good to see you got it fixed. Just go easy on the gear changes and all will be fine!:thumbsup: