b16a vteck question

[civic_jet]

Hey guys, got a price from a wreckers for a b16a motor/conversion for my civic and was quoted $1400 with motor,ecu and loom with 3 month warrentee with 136000kms. Im dont no much about jap stuff just want to no if thats a good price and is that all I need to do the conversion? How much quicker would it be than tha standard motor?

Cheers.

[GSi_PSi]

thats cheap man, is that with a gearbox?.
well start off by telling us what eg you got?. carby is gonna be pain in the ass, cause u gotta get extra stuff

[civic_jet]

Theres a thread somewhere around man of my car buts its a 94 model i think eg efi. doesnt come with the box but I was just about to ask would my one in it now fit strate up to it?

[VTec1987]

u will need a bseries GB to fit. (b16a\b18c2\7 or b18b)

[civic_jet]

Gb?????????????

[ninzee]

wow u got a good price you will need a gear box if u want to get the most out of the engine get a type r box but i wouldnt because there like 2gs and its only a b16a
it will be significantly faster than your engine now

[civic_jet]

Yeah but the box i have now willl be fine because its just a daily...

[civic_jet]

Like i mean will that fit strate up?

[ninzee]

the box u got in now wont fit
cant cross d series with b series or any series for that matter

[civic_jet]

ahh k shit wat is a box worth ruffly then?

[ninzee]

umm im not 2 sure myn came already done, dont quote me on this but a ek4 box im guessing would only cost $400-$700 and type r anywhere from $1200-$2000 1200 being the lowest i have seen it

[civic_jet]

Sweet man cheers

[eg5civic]

vtec*

[dougie_504]

Hmmm, a B16A for $1400 I'd make sure it's nice and healthy, compression test, and not leaking oil from the head gasket.

Otherwise, if it doesn't come with a B16 GBox then it's basically begging to have an ITR GBox attached to it, so for the $600-1100 you're saving on the package deal you may as well splash out a bit an upgrade to like 4.7 or 4.9 final drive :D

[civic_jet]

Comes with 3 month warrentee but ill check it out! That should do me fine for a daily lol

[civic_jet]

shit so the gearbox definetly wont fit????

[u mad?]

u will need a bseries GB to fit. (b16a\b18c2\7 or b18b)

uleh op uleh

[civic_jet]

Just picked up complete conversion ...came with b16a motor, gear box, ecu, loom, engine mounts. has done like 130000kms with 3 month warentee. Does that sound prety fair?

[jks24]

Sounds good

[civic_jet]

Everyone saying my gearbox wont fit?????

[u mad?]

Everyone saying my gearbox wont fit?????

your D series gb wont fit onto a b series engine

[civic_jet]

k. got a mechanic who is doing the complete conversion..motor loom and box for $800

[dougie_504]

good deal bro

[Limbo]

still need that B series box, if you want the conversion to work


k. got a mechanic who is doing the complete conversion..motor loom and box for $800

[civic_jet]

Yeah i got the new box when i got the motor...

thanx for ur help boys, ill keep uz posted.

[civic_jet]

Mechanic called me dwn today and sed its a b16a out of a 95 crx and that it wont fit cos some of the gb mounts dont line up etc. He sed find out i dnt no wat to do? Need sum help and advice asap boys

[GSi_PSi]

hmmm i thought it would be plug and play.

[dougie_504]

What the hell? lol

All B-series should be a straight swap, no?

[ninzee]

What the hell? lol

All B-series should be a straight swap, no?

true i got a 93 crx sir engine in myn all mounts up perfectly
op may need some b series engine mounts or eg6 engine mounts cause according to what hes saying eg6s engine sits differently

[civic_jet]

well on my gearbox in the car now ther is a mount on the side like faceing the radiator which goes to body near the airbox and is attached by 4 bolts into the GB and then on the b16a ther is no holes in the GB for the mounts???? anyone else no any places i can take it in eastern suburbs melbourne with more knowlege with this kinda shit? wanna get it up and going asap!!

[civic_jet]

now the quote has gone up and he rekons its a maaaaaaaasive job, didnt relise it was gunna cost this much to do a conversion lol its on my daily i shood have just put another stock motor in it and built a turbo setup???

[u mad?]

how much is your mechanic charging you?

[civic_jet]

more than wat he quoted. gunna look around cos im sick of sht lyk this and ppl cumping ther prices up..any suggestions?

[dougie_504]

You'll need after market mounts to swap from D series to B series. Hasport and/or Innovative make them and are popular choices.
HASPORT (http://hasport.com/store/index.php/mounts/civic/eg/b-series-eg.html) - $333 USD
Innovative (http://www.innovativemounts.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=14) - $299 USD
^^ just look for where it says '92-95 Civic B Series'

Other than that, the labour should be $1000 more or less. Add the $400 +/- for mounts, $1400 for B16A and the $XXX you paid for GBox and you should get the conversion done for like $3500 max?



Also, for a GOOD turbo setup you'll be paying many thousands on top of a B16A swap price.
If you buy a PoS turbo setup from Ebay for $1k and just bolt it onto a D you'd make over 100kw atw, but then you'll get bent over with insurance premiums, your turbo will probably shit itself asap, you might need a new ECU + tune for like $1k more, your fuel economy will be anus, you'll need new/good headers & cat-back to support the new exhaust demands and the list goes on bro.
Turbo is expensive if you do it properly (which I suppose is the only way) and if you take short-cuts on cheap setups you'll figure out sooner or later than it wasn't worth trying to save that money and the reliable N/A B16A swap would have been a better choice.



Since the mechanic hasn't finished the job you shouldn't need to pay him, right?
I advise sourcing a good set of the appropriate mounts and following through on the swap. You won't regret it.
Wishing you the best with this project mate. Keep us updated.

[civic_jet]

Thanx heaps brother! Went down this morning and they just started on it, should hopefully have it bak monday then hopefully next week will be turbo and muching some ve gts's etc haha. all up the hole conversion is costing me about $3000 then i still got my old gear to get rid of so i guess its alryt? Is it a big difference going from the shity 1.5? to the b16a? One more thing....is there any cheap mods I can do myself to make it go better? like surely all those civics and crx's arnt stock makeing all that noise haha? like i said im only new to the jap game so i myt sound like an idiot but only 1 way to find out i guess?

[ninzee]

lol huge difference
some good mods iv found to be is an injen cai, i/h/e and a vtec controller if u know a mech with a dyno makes a pretty good bang for buck mod i got like 4kw atw

[civic_jet]

k injen cai im guessing is an intake haha?

i/h/e??????

wer do i go to get these things lol? any place in melb that you no of?

This might sound dumb but I hav to ask it, ive seen alot of crxs, integras,civics etc and when they open up obviously the vtech but how do they get them so loud? is it just intake and exhaust?

[Limbo]

Straight thru exhaust with a pod filter should give u lots of noise

[ninzee]

And give u a nice fine too lol
injen is just a suggestion as they are imo the best cai on the market but I had a shitty sri on my eg b16a when I brought it and the noise was still very
much present so pretty much and intake with a pod will give u a clear loud sound but invest in some headers to make the sound even more louder and for some good power too a cat back exhaust will help in terms of performance but not really with sound but I would still suggest getting it if u want some decent power aswell

Btw I/h/e means intake/headers/exhaust

pm me if u need to ask anything specific and I'll try my best to help
cheers

[civic_jet]

Alryt thanx bro you guys have helped me heaps! Can comeone point me in the right direction on where to shop for these parts? I wouldnt no where to start with jap stuff...

[ninzee]

most users on here sell them i got my cat back from here and i got headers from ebay usa umm cold air if u know an exhaust place they would be able to make u 1 or im pretty sure jdm yard ship products just give them a call to make sure

[civic_jet]

hmm not much on ebay. I just want everythhing now lol but everything is from usa. Any shops in the eastern sububrs that anyone noz of?

[Riviera]

bro buy second had gear off some of the traders usually arrives within a few days
CAI will probly arrive in 2 - 3 days if you buy everything on the same day you shud get it all at once lol

[civic_jet]

k ill have a loook champ, didnt get much sleep last night so cant really get my brain to work 2day haha

[dougie_504]

I recommend not using a big-name cold air intake IE Injen, Fujita, AEM etc.

It's just piping, and it's like comparing Nike's to another pair of shoes. Same material, made in the same crappy country, just a different badge at the end.


I got a short ram intake for $70 and spent $105 on extra piping, connectors and clamps to made my own 3" CAI for a total of $175. It goes fine, not a problem with it.


Headers and cat-back for B16A should probably be 2.25", any low would be too restrictive I think, and to go much bigger would probably would be too big.


GL

[civic_jet]

sweet thanx man

[dougie_504]

This is what my CAI looks like in my EH VTi:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k158/dougie_504/21102009046.jpg

For a big-name brand you'll probably pay $450-500 new, or $300-350 second hand.

[civic_jet]

Wouldnt be hard to make your own tho true???

[Limbo]

a whale penis CAI is usually loud & great for performance.

Exhaust wise, i'd just get X force headers, catback 2 1/4 with a nice shiny cannon

That should give you heaps of noise. When your trying not to be noisy put the silencer on the canon

[civic_jet]

yeah wheere do i get these whale dicks from? I just bought some xforce 4-2-1 headers off here now i just gota get an exhaiust system! no cannon just a 4" dump tip brother haha

[Chr1s]

I don't see the point in buying a whale penis as such or a brand CAI simply for the fact that you're planning on going turbo.

Get a 3" pipe into the stock arm and hang a pod off it. You're not going to notice from a stock torqueless wonder.

Save you dollars!

[civic_jet]

can someone tell me where to get one from? Cant find any intakes on this site for a b16a surelly there a place in melb that sell stuff like this?

[Premature Vtec]

just get a SRI or CAI from ebay, with a decent pod unless you really want injen

IMO at the end of the day aluminium piping is aluminium piping

[civic_jet]

thanx boys. organised me one of those mockup whale intakes.. r they good?

one of these:
http://ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115603

[dougie_504]

Wouldnt be hard to make your own tho true???


Took me 3 hours. It was my first try and I had no instructions, just looked and did what I could.

Not to mention, I'm a nurse by profession, so I don't get to do a lot of car work during the week, hence I'm a total DIY noob lol.



As for the whale penis, it looks good and sounds nice, but you'll probably get some bad heat-soak from the engine and probably won't end up with much power gains, if any.
That's why CAI is so good - it isolated the intake so that you only breathe cold air, which has a higher density than warmer air, allowing your engine to cram in more oxygen molecules.

You could try to lead a stretch-pipe from your bumper up to where your pod is to give it some sort of cold air feed maybe.

[civic_jet]

lol i did that last time and thats y my engine got flooded hahahaha sucked all the water up!

[YBJLS4]

never seen the hype around audm b16 conversion in the eg. not worth the 3g. for a conversion, should have gotten a bigger engine.

imo, just go to any exhaust shop, tell em to weld u a pipe for ur intake, and get a 60mm exhaust. anything after that is not worth it as its just ur daily.

[dougie_504]

60mm is a bit big for a D-series though. Go 2" or you'll lose a fair bit of back pressure

[YBJLS4]

hasn't he got a b-series?

60mm is about 2.36" which is what most JDM honda designed companies use for there exhausts.

i read somewhere about 'back pressure' and its just a load of shit when they say u loose back pressure on the exhaust when its got a large diameter, anyone know where that write up is?

*edit* i cant find the actual write up, but this sounds interesting :P


Like everyone else said, get whatever exhaust you want. I don't get this back pressure crap people talk about. If that's the case then no one should ever even touch their exhaust and leave the stock **** on. For me the better the exhaust flow the more hp you get. I myself have shorty headers, I want long tubes, offroad x pipe into magnaflow race mufflers with dumps. Mine has more of a racy sound. If you want that deep rumble then flowmasters or something similar with chambers with do.



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Backpressure is an imaginary force that exists only in people's minds. I would not worry one bit about it. Instead, worry about the torque curve of your engine. Big primary headers can hurt low-end torque which is far from ideal for street use. Go ahead and run whatever exhaust system you prefer. I myself have BBK long tube headers and matching no-cat x-pipe on my '95 cobra. Also, I run delta 40's out back with the matching tailpipes. With a handful of other bolt-ons but no internal mods, it makes just a shade over 300 rwtq at 4000 rpm. And those are dyno-proven numbers, not numbers gathered from catalogues and best guestimates.

[civic_jet]

im confussed :S??

[dougie_504]

When we talk about back-pressure we're referring to the torque curve that is mentioned in your quote. Sure, you can gain a couple of extra HP by getting a bigger exhaust, but you'll lose low-end torque and it gets to a point where you're better off with the extra low-end torque/take-off power than the two HP you might get when you hit VTEC.

And it's beyond me why people want huge exhausts that give you a headache unless the windows are open anyway.


So if you're running a SOHC D, go 2"

[civic_jet]

k bro will do. i might sound like a deadshit on here haha but u guys r so technical thats y i got so many questions!!!

thanx heaps tho bud

[dougie_504]

Always welcome to ask mate :)

[civic_jet]

pissed off been bak and forth to different mechanics and the car is at Akmotorworks now and they have told me the motor is an older b16a and wont fit so thesedickheads at hondaspares have given me the rong motor tellin me its out of a 95 crx. there going to cop it 2moro they hav stuffed me around big time

[dougie_504]

Very sorry to hear that mate, as it won't legally go into your car. The Gen3 CRX Del Sol uses the B16A2 and I'm 95% sure that it's written as 'B16A2#######' on the block just below the VTEC solenoid.

You should surely get your money back or an exchange, or alternatively (if shit goes bad) you can spend about $500 getting a B16A2 block, or a B18 block, because the block is much cheaper than the head.
Then just get the workshop to attach the old B16A head onto the newer B16A2 or B18 block, and nobody will be the wiser because the 'identity' of the engine is determined by the code on the block, so you'll never get done with an old B16A head in your modern chassis.


It's just an option...

[civic_jet]

Yeah true but i just wanted to get the motor and drive in and drive out not get 50 million towes here there its just a headache haha. ill definetly get my money back or an exchange he told me it would fit and it dusnt so thats the wreckers fault!

[dougie_504]

It'll fit with the appropriate engine mounts won't it? Surely the problem is that the B16A is an older engine from '89-'91 or something, whereas your chassis is newer and therefore the B16A can't go in?

[Oxer]

Six pages... the first three trying to clear up if a d box can be put onto a b motor.

Whos up for a slow clap with me?

*Starts slow clap*

[Alexx]

Sounds like you needed to do some more research before committing to the conversion buddy.

And type properly please. Your sentences are hard to read.

[dougie_504]

Well I can read what he's saying and despite being on page 6 now I'm still happy to keep offering whatever advice I can.
And sometimes people find it a lot easier to learn through interaction rather than endless individually directed research. It's more fun this way and I like it.

Furthermore the topic of this thread may be changing as we go but neither of you two managed to stick to the new one. Slow claps for you both? :)

[Oxer]

Slow claps for the retard giving advice.

Australian of the year award, you get my vote :thumbsup:

[Benson]

Sounds like you got the GEN B16a motor package from the 88-91 model. These come with the cable gearbox (different housing to the later generation). It will require heaps of work to get it running in an EG.

You should of gotten the B16a pacakge from either the EG6, CRX (94 and above) or Ek4 (you need to change a few things). And no, dont need aftermarket mount to fit into the EG

Hope you get it sorted out

[Oxer]

Sounds like you got the GEN B16a motor package from the 88-91 model. These come with the cable gearbox (different housing to the later generation). It will require heaps of work to get it running in an EG.

You should of gotten the B16a pacakge from either the EG6, CRX (94 and above) or Ek4 (you need to change a few things). And no, dont need aftermarket mount to fit into the EG


http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=DWAcA0xdiX8&v=1fAPEUWowEc

[Benson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=DWAcA0xdiX8&v=1fAPEUWowEc

You seem like a smart ass

[civic_jet]

dougie uno i appreciate ur help champ ur a legend. i spell like this becos i dont care lol im not gunna type like a nerd to impres u guys... i started this thread to get advice cos like i stated befor im only new in the jap game and didnt hav a clue wer to start.....

and thanx everyone else for advice to

[civic_jet]

swapping it all over monday for the right gear so should be finished next week if my luck turns around!

[civic_jet]

Sounds like you got the GEN B16a motor package from the 88-91 model. These come with the cable gearbox (different housing to the later generation). It will require heaps of work to get it running in an EG.

You should of gotten the B16a pacakge from either the EG6, CRX (94 and above) or Ek4 (you need to change a few things). And no, dont need aftermarket mount to fit into the EG

Hope you get it sorted out

Your right man I needed the hydrolic one! all sorted now tho :thumbsup:

[civic_jet]

Picked up one of those wale penis's today, just one of those mock up ones if im right! Didnt relise how big they are haha now the name makes sense lol!

[dougie_504]

Excellent mate. Be sure to keep us updated!

The B16A2 is better anyway, it has another 12HP :)

[civic_jet]

ohhhwelll after being stuffed around for long enuf i went down and spoke to the owner at hondaspares and told him what was going on...he hasnt got any other b16a motors so im gettin my money back so now im on the hunt for another motor :S anyone no of any forsale???

[civic_jet]

Would a b16a motor out of a 1990 crx fit if i changed the gearbox to a hyrdo one??? can get one pretty cheap just thort id ask u boys first...

[dougie_504]

You can't make that swap. If you swap an engine it MUST be the same age or newer than your car. Since you're driving an EG, which weren't made before 1992, you'll need a newer engine unless you use a different bottom-end like I mentioned earlier.

Otherwise, just check the Parts for Sale section - there's always a couple going around. Or make a Want to Buy thread in that section.


It's a bit of a pity because the original B16A is often considered to be the strongest, but because it's so old it's not easy/legal to get it swapped into newer cars.
So use a B16A2 or if you can get a cheap one (like Beeza's) get a B18C2.

[ninzee]

Excellent mate. Be sure to keep us updated!

The B16A2 is better anyway, it has another 12HP :)

na there the same both have 118kw but gen 2 b16a have 125kw

[dougie_504]

na there the same both have 118kw but gen 2 b16a have 125kw

Not the same.

JDM B16A is 158HP or 117.82KW
The B16A2 is 170HP or 126.77KW

And the JDM B16A with 158HP is considered by many builders to be the 'strongest' of the B16's, in terms of toughness, not power output.

[ninzee]

Not the same.

JDM B16A is 158HP or 117.82KW
The B16A2 is 170HP or 126.77KW

And the JDM B16A with 158HP is considered by many builders to be the 'strongest' of the B16's, in terms of toughness, not power output.

JDM B16A (First Generation)
The first VTEC engine Note: All JDM B16A engines are stamped 'B16A' (with no number after the "A" to identify version).

VTEC
Found in:
1988-1991 JDM Honda Integra RSi/XSi (DA6/DA8)
1989-1990 JDM Honda CRX SiR (EF8)
1989-1990 JDM Honda Civic SiR (EF9)

Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in) 1.6 liter
Compression: 10.2:1
Bore: 81.0 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4mm
Rod Length: 134mm
Rod/stroke ratio: 1.745
Power: 160ps (118 kW) @ 7,600rpm & 15.5kgm (152 Nm) @ 7,000rpm
Redline: 8100 RPM
Transmission: S1/J1/YS1 (4.4 final drive), Y1 (4.266 final drive, cable clutch, optional LSD)
ECU code: PR3-003 (DA6/DA8), PW0-000 (EF8/EF9/DA6)
ODB0

JDM B16A (Second Generation)
Found in:
1991-1994 JDM Honda Civic Sir/SiRII (EG6)
1991-1993 JDM Honda Civic Ferio SiR (EG9)
1992-1995 JDM Honda CRX Delsol SiR (EG2)
1995-1998 JDM Honda Civic Sir/SiRII (EK4)
1995-1998 JDM Honda Civic Ferio Si (EK4)

Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in) 1.6 liter
Compression: 10.4:1
Bore: 81.0 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4mm
Rod Length: 134mm
Rod/stroke ratio: 1.745
Power: MT: 170ps (125.kW) @ 7,800rpm & 16.0kgm (156.91 Nm) @ 7,300rpm (AT: 160ps (114.0 kW) @ 7,300rpm & 15.6kgm (152.98 Nm) @ 6,500rpm)
Redline: 8200 RPM (AT: 7700 RPM)
Transmission: S4C/Y21/S21 (4.4 final drive, optional LSD)
ECU code: P28 (EG2), P30 (EG2/EG6)
ODB1/ODB2

B16A2
VTEC
Found in:


1992-2000 Honda Civic EDM VTi (EG6/EG9 & EK4)
1992-1997 Honda Civic Del Sol EDM VTi (EG)
1996-1997 Honda Civic Del Sol USDM "VTEC"
1999-2000 Honda Civic USDM Si (EM1)
1999-2000 Honda Civic CAN SiR (EM1)
Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in)
Bore×Stroke: 81.0×77.4 mm (3.19×3.05 in)
Compression: 10.2:1
Power: 160 hp @ 7600 rpm & 111 ft·lbf (150 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
Transmission: Y21 or S4C
Redline...8000 RPM
Rev Limit...8450 RPM
VTEC Engagement...5,500 RPM
aluminium casting

wikipedia extract

[Chr1s]

It's quite obvious to me that a B16A in MT OR AT does NOT make 125kw standard. How is the above correct? On an engine dyno, more than likely though.

Someone might want to edit that article.

[Alexx]

why so much confusion? the wiki article is correct. The figures are at the engine.

Jdm b16a gen1 motors make 160hp
Jdm b16a gen2 motors make 170hp
Audm b16a2 gen2 motors make 160hp.

Simple

[GSi_PSi]

Isnt it flywheel Hp? not from a dyno atw

[ninzee]

Isnt it flywheel Hp? not from a dyno atw

exactly all specs are from flywheel

[Oxer]

You can't make that swap. If you swap an engine it MUST be the same age or newer than your car. Since you're driving an EG, which weren't made before 1992, you'll need a newer engine unless you use a different bottom-end like I mentioned earlier.

Otherwise, just check the Parts for Sale section - there's always a couple going around. Or make a Want to Buy thread in that section.


It's a bit of a pity because the original B16A is often considered to be the strongest, but because it's so old it's not easy/legal to get it swapped into newer cars.
So use a B16A2 or if you can get a cheap one (like Beeza's) get a B18C2.

Are you serious? Damn, I was going to put in my b16 from a crx into my eg..... Looks like i need a new block :(

[Chr1s]

Dougie,

That information is wrong.

Engineering point of view states that the engine swapped into the chassis can be older but it will have to meet emissions standards of the chassis year. IE; B16 must meet the emissions of the 1992 EG. Which is very easy to do, Honda motors are very clean.

If the EG was released in Australia with a B16, we could use ANY year model B16 since it is the same platform engine, regardless of 1989 or 1996 for example.

All in all;

- If the car is released with that engine in it standard, the swap is legal and does NOT need engineering.
- If the car is receiving an engine that is older than the chassis and not part of the OEM engine line up for that car, an emissions test is in order to clarify the legality of the swap.

[ninzee]

Dougie,

That information is wrong.

Engineering point of view states that the engine swapped into the chassis can be older but it will have to meet emissions standards of the chassis year. IE; B16 must meet the emissions of the 1992 EG. Which is very easy to do, Honda motors are very clean.

If the EG was released in Australia with a B16, we could use ANY year model B16 since it is the same platform engine, regardless of 1989 or 1996 for example.

All in all;

- If the car is released with that engine in it standard, the swap is legal and does NOT need engineering.
- If the car is receiving an engine that is older than the chassis and not part of the OEM engine line up for that car, an emissions test is in order to clarify the legality of the swap.

ye i think your right i got a 93 del sol sir engine in my 94 vti and the conversion was done just over a year ago

[dougie_504]

JDM B16A (First Generation)
The first VTEC engine Note: All JDM B16A engines are stamped 'B16A' (with no number after the "A" to identify version).

VTEC
Found in:
1988-1991 JDM Honda Integra RSi/XSi (DA6/DA8)
1989-1990 JDM Honda CRX SiR (EF8)
1989-1990 JDM Honda Civic SiR (EF9)

Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in) 1.6 liter
Compression: 10.2:1
Bore: 81.0 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4mm
Rod Length: 134mm
Rod/stroke ratio: 1.745
Power: 160ps (118 kW) @ 7,600rpm & 15.5kgm (152 Nm) @ 7,000rpm
Redline: 8100 RPM
Transmission: S1/J1/YS1 (4.4 final drive), Y1 (4.266 final drive, cable clutch, optional LSD)
ECU code: PR3-003 (DA6/DA8), PW0-000 (EF8/EF9/DA6)
ODB0

JDM B16A (Second Generation)
Found in:
1991-1994 JDM Honda Civic Sir/SiRII (EG6)
1991-1993 JDM Honda Civic Ferio SiR (EG9)
1992-1995 JDM Honda CRX Delsol SiR (EG2)
1995-1998 JDM Honda Civic Sir/SiRII (EK4)
1995-1998 JDM Honda Civic Ferio Si (EK4)

Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in) 1.6 liter
Compression: 10.4:1
Bore: 81.0 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4mm
Rod Length: 134mm
Rod/stroke ratio: 1.745
Power: MT: 170ps (125.kW) @ 7,800rpm & 16.0kgm (156.91 Nm) @ 7,300rpm (AT: 160ps (114.0 kW) @ 7,300rpm & 15.6kgm (152.98 Nm) @ 6,500rpm)
Redline: 8200 RPM (AT: 7700 RPM)
Transmission: S4C/Y21/S21 (4.4 final drive, optional LSD)
ECU code: P28 (EG2), P30 (EG2/EG6)
ODB1/ODB2

B16A2
VTEC
Found in:


1992-2000 Honda Civic EDM VTi (EG6/EG9 & EK4)
1992-1997 Honda Civic Del Sol EDM VTi (EG)
1996-1997 Honda Civic Del Sol USDM "VTEC"
1999-2000 Honda Civic USDM Si (EM1)
1999-2000 Honda Civic CAN SiR (EM1)
Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in)
Bore×Stroke: 81.0×77.4 mm (3.19×3.05 in)
Compression: 10.2:1
Power: 160 hp @ 7600 rpm & 111 ft·lbf (150 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
Transmission: Y21 or S4C
Redline...8000 RPM
Rev Limit...8450 RPM
VTEC Engagement...5,500 RPM
aluminium casting

wikipedia extract



Wikipedia is not a valid source man.

However, I believe that the CRX Video Catalogue released specifically by Honda which I have on DVD is valid. And that states that the first generation B16A found in the JDM EF8 CRX SiR produces 158HP and redlines at 8200RPM.

Though I think you're right, the B16A2 makes 160 HP and I was confused with the B16A II lol

But the alleged figures from the information you provided don't even give accurate power conversions from HP to KW. 1 HP = 0.7457 KW.

Therefore:
158 HP = 117.8206 KW
160 HP = 119.3120 KW
170 HP = 126.7690 KW

The figure from your quote that I have put in bold has also been edited (by you?) from the original text on Wikipedia - this is because Wikipedia states the following:

"Power: MT: 170ps (118.kW) @ 7,800rpm & 16.0kgm (156.91 Nm) @ 7,300rpm (AT: 160ps (114.0 kW) @ 7,300rpm & 15.6kgm (152.98 Nm) @ 6,500rpm)"

So, according to Wikipedia, the 'B16A second generation' makes 170PS/118KW? The figures don't even match up on that BS site.

Honestly I think there are also several more variants of the 'B16A' according to different sources that make either 158HP, 160HP, 168HP or 170HP. We need to find a more reliable source...

[dougie_504]

Dougie,

That information is wrong.

Engineering point of view states that the engine swapped into the chassis can be older but it will have to meet emissions standards of the chassis year. IE; B16 must meet the emissions of the 1992 EG. Which is very easy to do, Honda motors are very clean.

If the EG was released in Australia with a B16, we could use ANY year model B16 since it is the same platform engine, regardless of 1989 or 1996 for example.

All in all;

- If the car is released with that engine in it standard, the swap is legal and does NOT need engineering.
- If the car is receiving an engine that is older than the chassis and not part of the OEM engine line up for that car, an emissions test is in order to clarify the legality of the swap.


I wasn't aware of that. I thought in VIC the engine had to be the same age/newer than the chassis. I'll look into it later on though.

This is all that VicRoads has on their site:
Change of engine
1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle
The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine have been completed.

You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre to have the vehicle's engine inspected to confirm the new engine details. No appointment is required. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form.

2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used
You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre for an inspection of the vehicle to confirm the new engine details. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form and provide VicRoads with:

* a VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads Vehicle Assessment Signatory
* an original receipt for the purchase of the engine as proof of ownership of the engine


I know that with the VASS (engineering certificate) they check all kinds of bullshit...noise pollution, emissions, ride height, suspension stiffness, brake effectiveness etc.

But if you're right that would be really nice because maybe then I could stick an older B16A into my EH9 :D

[Chr1s]

Ring your local engineer, he should tell you its fine as long as you pass emissions.

Think R32/33/34,S13, S14 with big rb30det's in them tstusdtusutusutuuu lol

[civic_jet]

way to much letters lol

[Oxer]

Somehow i dont think this guy plans on engineering an engine conversion... I wouldnt bother, so why would he?

[Chr1s]

It's not the point if you can't be bothered or not, it's information for the general to know, right or wrong.

Someone might want to transplant an older engine for a reason I don't know and read some false information and throw the idea in the bin when it was infact possible, in NSW anyway.

You don't award correct marks for something you answered wrong because you won't apply it in your life, facts are facts.

nice signature by the way

[dougie_504]

I'm sure your insurance company won't cover you if you forget to mention that you've done an engine conversion, or if you mention it but don't tell them that it's not registered with that engine.

Either way, best to play it safe and just do it the proper/legal way.

[Oxer]

It's not the point if you can't be bothered or not, it's information for the general to know, right or wrong.

Someone might want to transplant an older engine for a reason I don't know and read some false information and throw the idea in the bin when it was infact possible, in NSW anyway.

You don't award correct marks for something you answered wrong because you won't apply it in your life, facts are facts.

nice signature by the way

I know you may not, and 99% of people on this forum wont agree with me, But I dont get my facts from any internet forums. If i need to find something out I go to people with the knowledge im after and speak to them face to face. Id never do anything or ask any question on any forum because for all i know the person that replies is a 15 year old who knows how to google/wiki for the information... I can do that myself if I want.


If you haven't noticed, I find this thread a joke. Call me lame or stupid, but I work 6 days a week, and for a laugh I jump on forums like this. It reminds me that nomatter how shitty I may feel, there is always someone with less of an idea on life then me.

As for my sig, If you like it, then you will know who wrote it. If you dont, then you are one of those stupid people I laugh at.

[Chr1s]

Lmfao.

[dougie_504]

x2 on the lmfao