Yellow sticker after 2 n half years (having to do Emission test) help!

[FastFwd]

So on new years eve i got a yellow just for my rear tyres being to wide. Well now its opened up a huge can of worms. I usually just go straight over the pits remove all my illegal goods, Carbon fibres, rims, height etc etc and get passed well now they wanted me to file a Modification list reg to the department of vehicle and registration. So i did that and i listed everything, engine change, all my suspension mods, all my engine mods and out of like 60-70 things everything passed except external wast gates aren't allowed, boost controller cant be connected and engine has to pass LS3 emissions tests and everything needs to be certified by a engineer.

Out of 15 yellow stickers ive never had to do this and apparently its some new law they bringing from melb to perth.

So i thought you guys would know what to do in this case...anyone has this happen and know where to find an engineer etc? and is this a big deal? Should i be worried? will my car pass the test with the turbo? do i need a detune?

any help would be much appreciated...

Btw i put this in forced induction cos my car is and thats the reason why im having to do the emissions test.

[Lukezen27]

So on new years eve i got a yellow just for my rear tyres being to wide. Well now its opened up a huge can of worms. I usually just go straight over the pits remove all my illegal goods, Carbon fibres, rims, height etc etc and get passed well now they wanted me to file a Modification list reg to the department of vehicle and registration. So i did that and i listed everything, engine change, all my suspension mods, all my engine mods and out of like 60-70 things everything passed except external wast gates aren't allowed, boost controller cant be connected and engine has to pass LS3 emissions tests and everything needs to be certified by a engineer.

Out of 15 yellow stickers ive never had to do this and apparently its some new law they bringing from melb to perth.

So i thought you guys would know what to do in this case...anyone has this happen and know where to find an engineer etc? and is this a big deal? Should i be worried? will my car pass the test with the turbo? do i need a detune?

any help would be much appreciated...

Btw i put this in forced induction cos my car is and thats the reason why im having to do the emissions test.

Dam that sucks bro

You'll need a retune for sure..

I only just passed my emissions on 5psi

Tech said there's only really three things!

1. Power Tuned
2. Cheap Cat
3. Motor ware

[FastFwd]

Dam that sucks bro

You'll need a retune for sure..

I only just passed my emissions on 5psi

Tech said there's only really three things!

1. Power Tuned
2. Cheap Cat
3. Motor ware

What you mean by Power tuned? = detuned? and cheap cat? i have test pipe atm so im deff gonna need this. and motor ware? what like rings for the emissions test? - just replaced mine like 3 thou ago :)

[FastFwd]

btw found a engineer in perth threw a mate. He had his Stagea tuned at 850hp and got the engineer to sign it off.. Hopefully he looks after me like that also. Obviously he will laugh at my screamer pipe the first time i take it to him but at least he will give me a list of crap to do.

Maybe i should start making my engine legal. Outside - rims, guards, etc they easily replaceable.

[FastFwd]

btw whats rough prices for engineers?

[zillacles]

pm kccord. He had his Accord engineered, might have some info for you.

[kraiye]

save a copy of your current tune if you can before you get it retuned

[lookingforboost]

My friend works for the RTA here and and emissions etc here is what he said

get a good quaility cat magna flow ones are good and catco dont bother with the rest plumb back your screamer pipe you should be allowed your external gate as long as its plumbed back.
plumb back your BOV or remove it
put some E10 fuel in it and try your luck yours being an EG means you bracket for the emissions was cars from 1990 i think to 1996 and laws wasnt a strict they then went 97 to 98 and onwards etc hinda why there is obd1 and obd2

either way you can make a far bit of emmisions before you will be over just make sure your cars warmed up so the cats working properly and give it a go you should pass if not then take the car to get a retune and you will be fine ;)

[FastFwd]

My friend works for the RTA here and and emissions etc here is what he said

get a good quaility cat magna flow ones are good and catco dont bother with the rest plumb back your screamer pipe you should be allowed your external gate as long as its plumbed back.
plumb back your BOV or remove it
put some E10 fuel in it and try your luck yours being an EG means you bracket for the emissions was cars from 1990 i think to 1996 and laws wasnt a strict they then went 97 to 98 and onwards etc hinda why there is obd1 and obd2

either way you can make a far bit of emmisions before you will be over just make sure your cars warmed up so the cats working properly and give it a go you should pass if not then take the car to get a retune and you will be fine ;)

Cool man cheers, yeh i was thinking a good new cat would make a bit of difference to the emissions side of things...plus i always thought external waste gates were fine as long as they were plumbed back. I have my bov connected at the moment HKS SSQ but it stuffed up 3 months after i bought it. It wont engadge so i just left it there for looks until i started running some higher boost and will need one for turbo safety.

Boost controller? and btw whats e10 fuel?

[Limbo]

i'd get a second an extra tune. Tell them your going for admissions & they will make sure its 14.7

Also make sure you put a proper cat, not a high flow one & maybe even a proper muffler.

Plug back all items and set BOV to high.

They normally will not rev your car over 5krpm, so hopefully when you do all that it will be cool.

[FastFwd]

my magnaflow muffler i have now is fairly quiet. I got passed the db test not long ago so the noise is fine under 5000 but the test is at 3200 so thats fine...and yeh ill need to get a full cat that i can swap over.

Btw where do you do the tests? is it with the engineer or is it with something apart of vehicles and reg etc?

[VT3C]

wow new WA laws with no public notification.. do I sound shocked ? nope... but these modification laws are all over the place in WA.. how are you meant to know what's OK and what's not ?

if u need to borrow anything to return to stock let me know.. got white steel hood, 15" steelies with new tyres.. OEM Axle-back muffler.. OEM cat..

cant help with your turbo kit though sorry :(

do u street race a lot ? just wondering why so many yellows over the years ?

[lookingforboost]

Cool man cheers, yeh i was thinking a good new cat would make a bit of difference to the emissions side of things...plus i always thought external waste gates were fine as long as they were plumbed back. I have my bov connected at the moment HKS SSQ but it stuffed up 3 months after i bought it. It wont engadge so i just left it there for looks until i started running some higher boost and will need one for turbo safety.

Boost controller? and btw whats e10 fuel?

if its anything like here it dosent cost you at all to do the emmisions test hence why i said do the above and see how you go if you dont get past then have a look how far out you are and get a retune and go back agian but if you get through the first time bear in mind you can make a hell of a lot more emissions then cars around today ( early 90s falcoons and bommadores remember)
then you will save all the money for the retune and its cost you nothing.

dont put a stock cat on, you will have a heaps better chance with a new high flow item cats wear out after 80,000 100,000kms so putting one from the shead in my opinion is a waste of time and the guy here that works for them ;)

his car just passed emissions making half that of the allowable emissions with
ported head
build bottom end
3540 turbo
haltech
280 cams
custom manifold and intake manifold
full 3" system and heaps of other bits and peices (350KW package)

with a brand new Catco 3" high flow cat ;) magna flow and catco are the best and are ADR approved

E10 fuel Ethanol blended fuel give you a bit of extra head room 10% of it is Ethanol so it burns to water and is better for emissions rather than posionous gases that the cat will have to convert

get a price on a magna flow item there because i can get them for a pretty good price here if they are pricey ;)

just put a turbo smart boost tee on it as you can have one of those its only if you can mannaly change the boost levels from inside the car you can always say that your boost controller only runs 1 boost level ;)[/

[FastFwd]

if its anything like here it dosent cost you at all to do the emmisions test hence why i said do the above and see how you go if you dont get past then have a look how far out you are and get a retune and go back agian but if you get through the first time bear in mind you can make a hell of a lot more emissions then cars around today ( early 90s falcoons and bommadores remember)
then you will save all the money for the retune and its cost you nothing.

dont put a stock cat on, you will have a heaps better chance with a new high flow item cats wear out after 80,000 100,000kms so putting one from the shead in my opinion is a waste of time and the guy here that works for them ;)

his car just passed emissions making half that of the allowable emissions with
ported head
build bottom end
3540 turbo
haltech
280 cams
custom manifold and intake manifold
full 3" system and heaps of other bits and peices (350KW package)

with a brand new Catco 3" high flow cat ;) magna flow and catco are the best and are ADR approved

E10 fuel Ethanol blended fuel give you a bit of extra head room 10% of it is Ethanol so it burns to water and is better for emissions rather than posionous gases that the cat will have to convert

get a price on a magna flow item there because i can get them for a pretty good price here if they are pricey ;)

just put a turbo smart boost tee on it as you can have one of those its only if you can mannaly change the boost levels from inside the car you can always say that your boost controller only runs 1 boost level ;)[/

Nah i didnt mean get a crap used cat, i meant ill purchase a new magna flow.

So on the modifications report it says that i have to get engineers report and emissions tests...does this mean i have to do both or does this mean if i pass the test that its fine? or does the engineer do the test? I might go back to the pits, show them my letter, its called a "request to modify vehicle registation form" and then see what they tell me to do with it...go to engineer, go to emissions tests, both or either. I have internal boost controller with 3 presets but i only ever use one and i doubt they will figure out that my controller can use 6 Presets as it was confusing for me to figure out how to use the dam thing originally.

Soo list so far


Plumb back wastegate
Block bov or remove (mine doesnt engadge so thats fine)
Use e10 fuel
New Cat
drop the boost

[FastFwd]

Maybe i should scan the document i have so you guys can see what they have wrote...what you reckon?

[lookingforboost]

what they want you to do is....

get an emissions report to prove its below its emissions for that year when you pass that you take the report to an engieneer and he will write up a report for you other modifications and give you a certificate that you keep with the car with that no more defects and no more stickers caz your car will be 100% legal on the road... or in theory anyway :P

[Limbo]

i'm running a mangaflow steel cat with magnaflow muffler. The DB was only 81 when i tested it last.

haven't had to get the emmissions yet, piggyback system (not required in NSW) hondata qualifies as a piggyback.. yay!

Once engineered they can still defect you, just that its easy to get them cleared.

[jdm_b16a]

I've read through this very quickly as I have a passing interest in all things related to tests and laws regarding modified vehicles but I think the single issue here (or mistake if you don't mind me being a bit harsh) that is being overlooked is that an Engineer's certificate doesn't necessarily make anything modified on your car "legal".

So, you have a modded car and you have been issued with a 'yellow' or other infringement notice from your local authorities, or you are simply wanting to get some mods signed off?

An Engineer can do a noise test, he can check over safety aspects, check engine numbers etc, and he can do a brake safety check. All these facts he will write up in his report. You get an Emissions report from your local Emissions Test Centre.

You then take all this to your State licensing authority who will read the reports and THEN DECIDE if your car is allowed on the road. Just because the Engineer signs off doesn't give AUTOMATIC approval. Having said that, I think most authorities will be cool and give you registration, mod plate etc.

However, even being registered and having the Engineer's paperwork in your glovebox, doesn't exempt you from the forces of the law (I'm talking about the boys in blue here). If, in their opinion, your car is too loud/low/high/wide (tick whichever is applicable) they can hit you with an infringement notice.

So, as I said, the Engineer's certificate is not a guarantee. Neither is an Emission Report. You can fail an Emission's Test but it's up to the Engineer to decide if he will sign off on your emissions report. The RTA or whatever has to make the final decision. They can reject all the above if they want to (and I know some Engineering signatories charge big $$$ for their reports.)

Hope this clarifies some things.

And, yes, I do have some experience with this from earlier projects inc. a Supercharged Hilux conversion. One piece of advice I can give is to document everything you do to the car inc. photos, and put these in a folder when you present your car to the Engineer. Take it from me, he will love you for it, as it makes his job much easier (instead of having to ask you a thousand questions about this and that). Plus it shows you have nothing to hide.

Peter

[lookingforboost]

In NSW its the RTA that runs the emissions testing so if you pass they cant knock you back.

but it is true my car is engeineered and i have been defected heaps of times i just take them to the pits and get the car passed agian though ;)

[jdm_b16a]

In NSW its the RTA that runs the emissions testing so if you pass they cant knock you back.

What I was saying was that you don't necessarily have to PASS to get your engineer to certify your car's mods. If the RTA Emissions people look at your results and deem them CLOSE ENOUGH then they give you the paperwork and let your Engineer make the final decision. I think if you fail badly they don't give you any paperwork. The day I was there a guy with an imported RX7 was trying to pass (and he'd been there a few times already) but he didn't. He was running a JDM twin exhaust setup, but he'd had it modified, after failing previously, with two brand new cats and two mufflers on each pipe (total 4 mufflers) - he joked about not having any pipework just boxes connected to boxes. He got picked up in a random roadside Emissions test around Sans Souci (this was a few years back now.)

Peter

[Lukezen27]

What I was saying was that you don't necessarily have to PASS to get your engineer to certify your car's mods. If the RTA Emissions people look at your results and deem them CLOSE ENOUGH then they give you the paperwork and let your Engineer make the final decision. I think if you fail badly they don't give you any paperwork. The day I was there a guy with an imported RX7 was trying to pass (and he'd been there a few times already) but he didn't. He was running a JDM twin exhaust setup, but he'd had it modified, after failing previously, with two brand new cats and two mufflers on each pipe (total 4 mufflers) - he joked about not having any pipework just boxes connected to boxes. He got picked up in a random roadside Emissions test around Sans Souci (this was a few years back now.)

Peter

That's right!

That's what happened to me

Emissions Tech said its close to failing due to a cheap as x-force high flow cat and said I'lll leave ot up to your engineer..

My engineer said yup good enough for me :thumbsup:

[040501912]

oh crap.. u got to do emission ? i taught they were canceling it last year as the public wasnt notified and not many place in wa to do it??

at what rpm they do the testing?
tune the car to run lean at that rpm not so lean and give u detonations.. ;)

[Limbo]

u need to tune to 14.7 AFR

I beleive all states are starting to follow suit.
Pretty sure EPA do it in NSW not RTA, & yes final decisionis up to engineer and then the RTA usually approve it on their recommendation, unless your engineer is known to be dodgey LOL

[Lukezen27]

oh crap.. u got to do emission ? i taught they were canceling it last year as the public wasnt notified and not many place in wa to do it??

at what rpm they do the testing?
tune the car to run lean at that rpm not so lean and give u detonations.. ;)

All types of RPM

They follow a driving game to simulate different things that should cover most conditions

They don't thrash the motor so 3/4 would more than likely been the max

[lookingforboost]

its done on a dyno and as luke said different RPM for different loads etc, the (EPA) do the testing but its all part of the RTA they are there to test only emissions they dont defect or anything else they dont even care about noise levels just the emissions.

yeah X force cats would never get a new car past emissions!

[FastFwd]

Ok so i called up the advisor who's put his name to my case and he has just said that i need to go to any engineer (he gave me a list of them). He will sign off on all of my mods and if hes happy he'll sign my modifcation registration form i send that back to vehicle reg they then send it back to me approving his signature and all i do is just take that to the pits and they remove my sticker.

Btw WA hasnt passed the law to do emissions test (JUST YET) the guy on the phone said. He said its weeks away from being passed so atm because its in limbo they can only do a "fire catch test" i think thats what he called it. Its a semi emissions test but its not 100% accurate soo its better for me and apparently all the WA registered engineers can do this test also. So basically i take my car to one of them they do there sh1t sign off or tell me to change this bla bla bla and then take it back to him sign off and once all good i can just take over and get my sticker off.

But in the mean time i have to plumb back my screamer pipe, remove my Power FC hand unit, and my boost controller and install a cat and i think i should be find to take it to an engineer.

[Limbo]

better hurry before it all passes

otherwise 'limbo' aint gonna help ya :)

[lookingforboost]

ha ha lol thats great man hope you get all passed asap!!

[kccord]

Ahh back to my drama.

Currently I have permit and engineer cert for these:

1. Coilovers
2. Turbo conversion (includes: Plumback BOV, t3/t4 turbo, FMIC, Pace maker Hi Flow cat, Xforce muffler, Turbo back exhaust, recirculated external wastegate) and
3. Wheels

I did:

1. Multiple visits to pits
2. Engineer report/signatory
3. 5 gas test with a good result (safe tune@290whp)

Now I have a temporary permit which expires next month (have to do im240 test to gain permanent permit).

Gas testing is ok so fair enough to epa, BUT THE SHIT THAT PISSES ME OFF is the lack of organisation of these facilities in which only one PRIVATE company (Kostecki's) is able to perform the test, bloody con-artist and monopoly.

It is not like eastern states and it is not free. Infact, expect about $700-$1200 fee if it is still being run by private company. Assholes.

[lookingforboost]

hmm ouch totally different system here hey!! i didnt think defecting was really over there over here they will defect you for anything, my freind just got dfected for FMIC brembo brakes 18" wheels in his EVO X MR ..... yeah its stock and comes with those from the factory lol

[FastFwd]

K so had a bit of probs with my car but finally got it sorted.

Got a new Exhaust put on... Originally had 3inch turbo back with mild steel..now i got 3inch turbo back fully stailess polished with new cat, new plumb backed screamer pipe etc.

went to the engineer today and he passed almost everything on my car. List of like 80 modifications. Only two things i have to do is i have small break fluid leak on one of the line connections which will be easy and my new exhaust sits 4mm to low which was the exhaust shops fault to they fixing for free obviously.

Engineer passed my carbon fibre parts, bonnet, wing, boot etc. Passed my turbo setup, front mount, Engine swap. I was scared hey, people say they are pretty harsh but my car is pretty clean and he thought everything was nicely installed and he's not even that expensive.

all i need to do, is fix those two things and then get a 5 gas test and i can get my yellow off.

the engineer also reckons if i bring in my racing harts he will be able to certify them also. I told him they dont rub or touch and they have alot of clearance for 10.5's wide as ive opened the width of my guards and he said shouldnt be a problem even if they are more than 2 inches larger than stock.

[Lukezen27]

K so had a bit of probs with my car but finally got it sorted.

Got a new Exhaust put on... Originally had 3inch turbo back with mild steel..now i got 3inch turbo back fully stailess polished with new cat, new plumb backed screamer pipe etc.

went to the engineer today and he passed almost everything on my car. List of like 80 modifications. Only two things i have to do is i have small break fluid leak on one of the line connections which will be easy and my new exhaust sits 4mm to low which was the exhaust shops fault to they fixing for free obviously.

Engineer passed my carbon fibre parts, bonnet, wing, boot etc. Passed my turbo setup, front mount, Engine swap. I was scared hey, people say they are pretty harsh but my car is pretty clean and he thought everything was nicely installed and he's not even that expensive.

all i need to do, is fix those two things and then get a 5 gas test and i can get my yellow off.

the engineer also reckons if i bring in my racing harts he will be able to certify them also. I told him they dont rub or touch and they have alot of clearance for 10.5's wide as ive opened the width of my guards and he said shouldnt be a problem even if they are more than 2 inches larger than stock.

Fully Sick :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Mine was quiet eazy too, not sure why people worry..

[FastFwd]

Fully Sick :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Mine was quiet eazy too, not sure why people worry..

New exhaust setup even with the cat is more powerful that my old exhaust without the cat. Really like the next exhaust hey...

I think what im most excited about is the fact that ill have an engineer certified vehicle with a permit that can say STFU to a cop when he looks at it.

Cos even then engineer was like "wow this looks to low" then he messured it up and was like "hmm is 4mm higher than the legal limit, deceiveing" and i said "yeh well thats exactly what cops say but then they give me yellow without messuring it"

[FastFwd]

Sorry guys one more thing....does anyone have the legal diagram for a catch can setup. I remember reinstalling mine about 8-9 months ago and we had this discussion about 2 or 3 ways to set it up but 1 way was legal and the rest were a little better but illegal. Well mines illegal atm, and thats one more thing i have to re-setup to make legal...

If anyone could help me out that would be great. Actually i think its in my build thread

[Limbo]

the one without the breather, i think i posted it in your build thread

[FastFwd]

http://www.beesandgoats.com/boostfaq/PCV_turbo_2fit.jpg

This should be the correct way yes?

Just doing some light reading and with the two bends connected to the Pre-Turbo intake - PCV side facing the turbo and Head cover breathing side facing the air filter. With the rushing air incoming from the filter coming in on boost will it be good or bad that there will be more air flowing into my head than necessary as the air will be rushing in that way? Also i know you can get a little bit of oil vapor coming out of the head cover breather will that be benificial going into the the intake and spraying onto the filter as thats its direction? or is that something to live with? and will it be half decent that oil might be slightly lubricating my turbo? <--- something the engineer pointed out.

[FastFwd]

Gas testing is ok so fair enough to epa, BUT THE SHIT THAT PISSES ME OFF is the lack of organisation of these facilities in which only one PRIVATE company (Kostecki's) is able to perform the test, bloody con-artist and monopoly.

It is not like eastern states and it is not free. Infact, expect about $700-$1200 fee if it is still being run by private company. Assholes.

So 5 gas test is $700-$1200 or is that for the im240 test?

I dont want to be paying $700-$1200 for a test that isnt perminant if thats the case. Fek that joke

[040501912]

This should be the correct way yes?

Just doing some light reading and with the two bends connected to the Pre-Turbo intake - PCV side facing the turbo and Head cover breathing side facing the air filter. With the rushing air incoming from the filter coming in on boost will it be good or bad that there will be more air flowing into my head than necessary as the air will be rushing in that way? Also i know you can get a little bit of oil vapor coming out of the head cover breather will that be benificial going into the the intake and spraying onto the filter as thats its direction? or is that something to live with? and will it be half decent that oil might be slightly lubricating my turbo? <--- something the engineer pointed out.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9370/catchk.jpg
This is how it should go..
Keep ur PCV connected if you got Power FC it should not be working at all aniway..
unless the ecu is programed to run..

stock ones are on dotted pink line

and what you are trying to make is the lines going from intake pipe before the turbo to ur valve cover.

you can not have a breather on the catch can or any exposed "Paper" type filter.
have to be solidly mounted
oil leak proof.

that should do it easy :thumbsup:

[Lukezen27]

This is how it should go..
Keep ur PCV connected if you got Power FC it should not be working at all aniway..
unless the ecu is programed to run..

stock ones are on dotted pink line

and what you are trying to make is the lines going from intake pipe before the turbo to ur valve cover.

you can not have a breather on the catch can or any exposed "Paper" type filter.
have to be solidly mounted
oil leak proof.

that should do it easy :thumbsup:
Na you don't want the PCV connected to you IM under anything higher than 5-6 PSI

[FastFwd]

Na you don't want the PCV connected to you IM under anything higher than 5-6 PSI

yeah exactly after the first time i blew my motor which could have been because of my PCV setup. Alot of guys told me the same also. I think ill stick with blocking the IM

[Limbo]

That's completely crap. (I can see you've turbo'd alot of hondas NOT!)
on a turbo setup your getting 10PSI of pressure on the inlet manifold. Your motor will not last very long with extra pressure.

The whole idea of a PCV system is to release crankcase pressure, not add to it.

Fastfwd - don't need the bends at the front. Its supose to help stop each end breathing in oil fumes but i doubt it will happen with the intake pulled in by the turbo. I've run clear pipes with reinforcement so i can see the oils and there has been no problem.

I tried the first one that has a breather on the top of the intake, doesn't work as well as the filter clogs and then makes things worse.

I'm currently running the setup you've reposted and so far i'm getting no burn of oils


http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9370/catchk.jpg
This is how it should go..
Keep ur PCV connected if you got Power FC it should not be working at all aniway..
unless the ecu is programed to run..

stock ones are on dotted pink line

and what you are trying to make is the lines going from intake pipe before the turbo to ur valve cover.

you can not have a breather on the catch can or any exposed "Paper" type filter.
have to be solidly mounted
oil leak proof.

that should do it easy :thumbsup:

[Limbo]

ECU has nothing to do with the PCV working or not. Its all a mechanical, the ECU has no control over it at all.
Also the setup posted has no breather filter, it uses the intake as a breather



This is how it should go..
Keep ur PCV connected if you got Power FC it should not be working at all aniway..
unless the ecu is programed to run..

stock ones are on dotted pink line

and what you are trying to make is the lines going from intake pipe before the turbo to ur valve cover.

you can not have a breather on the catch can or any exposed "Paper" type filter.
have to be solidly mounted
oil leak proof.

that should do it easy :thumbsup:

[Limbo]

BTW - FWD, i'm looking at adding to the PCV system with additional breathers. Will show my setup once i get my brakes sorted

[FastFwd]

BTW - FWD, i'm looking at adding to the PCV system with additional breathers. Will show my setup once i get my brakes sorted

Yeah well the Engineer said that you dont need to go back to the Pre-Turbo intake for the PCV he said that can run off and breather without any legal issues. The breather for the Head has to be directed back into the motor (pre-turbo intake) so it can be re-filtered buy the Cat via burnt threw the motor.

Limbo is this how you currently have your inlets into the pre-turbo intake?

http://imgur.com/OJXRU.jpg

And this all works fine for you? i thought it wouldnt make much of a difference like this anyways and this is how i was going to do it but if you think the bends make a difference then i might aswell do them.

[Lukezen27]

Yeah well the Engineer said that you dont need to go back to the Pre-Turbo intake for the PCV he said that can run off and breather without any legal issues. The breather for the Head has to be directed back into the motor (pre-turbo intake) so it can be re-filtered buy the Cat via burnt threw the motor.

Limbo is this how you currently have your inlets into the pre-turbo intake?



And this all works fine for you? i thought it wouldnt make much of a difference like this anyways and this is how i was going to do it but if you think the bends make a difference then i might aswell do them.

That's how mine normally is

But I'm just venting both to atmo :p

[FastFwd]

That's how mine normally is

But I'm just venting both to atmo :p

Yeah same but Yellow harshness so ill need to set this up this week some time...

[SlobberGoat]

I think what im most excited about is the fact that ill have an engineer certified vehicle with a permit that can say STFU to a cop when he looks at it.


Don't get too excited. You can have all the permits in the world, cops can still yellow you because they are not vehicle-inspectors, so even if they *think* something is not right, they have the right to yellow you to force you to check it out at the pits. (ie: cost you time & money....over and over an over)

How else do you think those people with brand new, unmodified cars get yellowed?

[Limbo]

yep that's how i'm running at the moment with larger tubing. With the breather, it was getting clogged and needed to be cleaned all the time.
i'm using 13mm piping. Just used abit of other tube to bring the size up.
I don't think the bends make any difference. i didn't bother with them.

Cops always harrass you for breathers so less work for me both ways.


Yeah well the Engineer said that you dont need to go back to the Pre-Turbo intake for the PCV he said that can run off and breather without any legal issues. The breather for the Head has to be directed back into the motor (pre-turbo intake) so it can be re-filtered buy the Cat via burnt threw the motor.

Limbo is this how you currently have your inlets into the pre-turbo intake?

http://imgur.com/OJXRU.jpg

And this all works fine for you? i thought it wouldnt make much of a difference like this anyways and this is how i was going to do it but if you think the bends make a difference then i might aswell do them.

[Limbo]

i'm adding more breather piping to the rocker cover & plumbing them to a catch can and back to the pre-turbo intake. Been told it helps high comp & high revving engines.

[FastFwd]

Don't get too excited. You can have all the permits in the world, cops can still yellow you because they are not vehicle-inspectors, so even if they *think* something is not right, they have the right to yellow you to force you to check it out at the pits. (ie: cost you time & money....over and over an over)

How else do you think those people with brand new, unmodified cars get yellowed?

Just for your own info dude before you think im clueless.. this is my 15th yellow sticker on my civic, including 1 Red sticker (Tow away on the spot). Also had 3 yellow stickers on my s15's

I have 5 sheets full of permits from Department of vehicle and Reg, and now i will have a list of 80 modifications sign off sheet by the Engineer. Not to sure if you've had an engineers modified permit but it deffinatly goes threw the department of Vehicle and Reg before you can actually get the certificate so its not just a PRIVATE sheet of paper, its also signed off by vehicle and reg.

I know the rigmaroll with cops and i know how to handle them when they say "your going to get a yellow son" ive wiggled and talked my way out of over 20 of those occasions.

I know its not something ill ever be able to stop perminatly with the way my car is BUT having Permits, having Signed off and registered enginner certificates are going to be a hell of a lot easier to say things "shut the fek up pig thats my wastegate not at BOV" lol i rarely get violent with police as it usually create alot more damage than good. BUT at times when a cop is giving you a yellow for something he hasnt even got a clue about i will defend myself. One time a cop was trying to tell me that my steering wheel was to small. I told him the minimum alowed size your are alowed to have and i told him to messure mine and that it was larger than that. He we went back to his car called up vehicle and reg and came back to me and appologized. He still gave me a yellow in the end but at least ill have sh1t to back myself up this time.

[FastFwd]

i'm adding more breather piping to the rocker cover & plumbing them to a catch can and back to the pre-turbo intake. Been told it helps high comp & high revving engines.

Yeh some of those multi input catch cans are great. U can even create a custom second port on your head cover on the other side for extra breathing room. Just put all of those to 1 catch including the PCV and then one pipe directly back to the pre-turbo instake. Makes life much easier but i only have 1 port on my catch...i guess i could make an extra one :)

actually i might

[FastFwd]

yep that's how i'm running at the moment with larger tubing. With the breather, it was getting clogged and needed to be cleaned all the time.
i'm using 13mm piping. Just used abit of other tube to bring the size up.
I don't think the bends make any difference. i didn't bother with them.

Cops always harrass you for breathers so less work for me both ways.

So you think 13mm piping is the right size for breathing?

I'll pick up some sard Silicone hitemp piping from hozemart this arvo.

[kccord]

So 5 gas test is $700-$1200 or is that for the im240 test?

I dont want to be paying $700-$1200 for a test that isnt perminant if thats the case. Fek that joke

The 5 Gas Test is $110 at Road Bend(welshpool). For IM240, you should be expecting above. I don't think it's worth for you to do 5 gas test now as the IM240 will 'very soon' be implemented/resume. + heard news that kostecki's licence to perform im240 is cancelled.

I'm in shit as well, my permit expires next month. With PCV on turbo honda, you'll want catch can straight off it but to make it legal, as you would hv knew, just run a 13mm air hose from the catch can to pre turbo pipe as Chris (04051192..) said

Dude, 15 Yellows sounds like you're on very rocky road.

Hit me a PM if you want my number, perhaps if you want to look at my supposedly 'legal' setup.

[040501912]

meeeh i only have 1 TURBO HONDA if its ur asking?

i was running fine with it attached and kccord is similar set up as me is too running fine..

hey kev may be u try taking it off? and see if it works? LOL...

[Limbo]

i hang around a shop that fabs up alot of honda turbo setups.
On my second setup myself and seen alot of differnt configs.

[FastFwd]

I blew my motor a while back and it was suspected that i was putting pressure threw the PCV which shouldnt have. I think blocking the IM and running it threw the catch is the best way IMO, makes more logical sence.

[Lukezen27]

meeeh i only have 1 TURBO HONDA if its ur asking?

i was running fine with it attached and kccord is similar set up as me is too running fine..

hey kev may be u try taking it off? and see if it works? LOL...

How much boost, how much power, how long have you been running??

How hard do you hit it?

[FastFwd]

How much boost, how much power, how long have you been running??

How hard do you hit it?


Mine ran fine for around 8 months up until i smashed it on the freeway one night and the sh1t hit the fan

[040501912]

How much boost, how much power, how long have you been running??

How hard do you hit it?

this is on Accord CD5 F22b1 Vtec SOHC

15 psi on first motor with small turbo 200whp
engine shat it self on freeway 215,000 km at the clock and yes i knew its time to go LOL!.. its and old bunky all 4 plugs was dipped in oil for like a few months and i ignore it and still give it a blat every where :angel:

10 psi 2nd hand jdm motor bigger turbo 230 whp at fronts, i was sick of the car and its not going any where then car is sold 2-3 years ago?

I was running only a piggy back and it was a sh1t like f@k all the way. is not a good having a car that was N/A + turbo + Emanage..
transitions between vac - boost is never been smooth
check light was on and goes on limp mode
car rans super rich! you can see flame comming out on the exhausts or even see the stainless pipe under the car is glowing red when of full WOT

was looking of getting hondata and nobody going to help me so decided its time to go..

Kccords is running in a similar car
Hondata + rebuild engine + forged internals running 18 ? 16 psi? 290hp at fronts?? for the past 1 year or so and it still pulls like a train.... with full VTI-S trim

[FastFwd]

The 5 Gas Test is $110 at Road Bend(welshpool). For IM240, you should be expecting above. I don't think it's worth for you to do 5 gas test now as the IM240 will 'very soon' be implemented/resume. + heard news that kostecki's licence to perform im240 is cancelled.

I'm in shit as well, my permit expires next month. With PCV on turbo honda, you'll want catch can straight off it but to make it legal, as you would hv knew, just run a 13mm air hose from the catch can to pre turbo pipe as Chris (04051192..) said

Dude, 15 Yellows sounds like you're on very rocky road.

Hit me a PM if you want my number, perhaps if you want to look at my supposedly 'legal' setup.

Sorry i tried to look for "road Bend" as the business name but i couldnt find it. Is that what its called? or is that the road name...little confused.

Could you give me more detail on this.

[zillacles]

For the 5-gas test I'm pretty sure these guys in Balcatta can do it:

http://www.efiautos.com.au/

[FastFwd]

For the 5-gas test I'm pretty sure these guys in Balcatta can do it:

http://www.efiautos.com.au/

Correct, they do it and its $55. booking in tomorrow morning Cheers.

[Limbo]

FF - yeah i've already got a new rocker cover setup for the extra 2 ports.
I got a catch can going also, but all these things i'm waiting until i can fix my BMC

Car's going back in for an adjustment to my oil cooler position & intercooler position.

Then this weekend hopefully will fix my BMC

[FastFwd]

FF - yeah i've already got a new rocker cover setup for the extra 2 ports.
I got a catch can going also, but all these things i'm waiting until i can fix my BMC

Car's going back in for an adjustment to my oil cooler position & intercooler position.

Then this weekend hopefully will fix my BMC

Bro...

I love it how your trying to squeeze every little drop of power out of your car. Is the dual port cover already on the car? if its not can you let me know how it goes cos i wouldnt mind doing it also.

[Limbo]

nah not on car yet. Its more to ensure that i don't over pressurise the car.
I like to have things working as best as i can.
Been told that a better vented engine will produce abit more power and give better life to the engine.

I got a spare cover, i drilled the front bits and then tapped them with a kit. Then sprayed it blood red with wrinkle paint. just gotta finish the writing & tap the oil cooler for more inlets

[FastFwd]

Soo good news, should have my yellow of in a week or so.

Got my exhaust raized, got emissions test done today (or yesterday, its late) and looks like ive passed. O2 was borderlining but the rest apparently was really good.

Tomorrow im getting these inlets made into my pre-intake pipe with proper hose tapping from hosemart, not just random welded on piping - Want it to be nicely setup.

Then just going to connected up some 13mm sard lines and my car will be ready for engineer certification.

[FastFwd]

Ok so this morning i got my Breather setup blumbed back into my pre-intake for legal reasons. Cost me $93 all up but $75 for 2 metres of Saard Silicone 13mm hosing and the rest for the copper fittings and custom fabrication. So it wouldnt usually cost that much but i wanted nice hose. You can get $5 a metre hosing if you want.

But it came up sweet, heres the pics:

http://imgur.com/MFvWM.jpg
http://imgur.com/i9sg3.jpg
http://imgur.com/uXikI.jpg

[Lukezen27]

Ok so this morning i got my Breather setup blumbed back into my pre-intake for legal reasons. Cost me $93 all up but $75 for 2 metres of Saard Silicone 13mm hosing and the rest for the copper fittings and custom fabrication. So it wouldnt usually cost that much but i wanted nice hose. You can get $5 a metre hosing if you want.

But it came up sweet, heres the pics:





Nice! apart for the illegal pod :p

[FastFwd]

Nice! apart for the illegal pod :p

Legal in the great state of WA :)

[Lukezen27]

Legal in the great state of WA :)

You lucky foker hahah


:thumbsup:

[Limbo]

bugger i had to make a box just for mine!

[FastFwd]

Nah in WA they are completely legal you just need to have them fully secure or else the cops have a cry.

[FastFwd]

P.S im never getting anything MIG welded ever again. TIG welders are a little more expensive but im over sh1tty @ass mig welding to be honest. After having that TIG done by an engineer today it just looks the part. like its meant to be and came like that from a factory.

[Limbo]

lol, MIG is always more easier and cheaper, but your right TIG just joins and blends in better

[kraiye]

??
i thought he was saying the opposite

[FastFwd]

Im pretty sure its TIG thats has a cleaner blend....dam why did they have to make there names so similar.

[kraiye]

which one is which? i forget. lol

is MIG the one that has a gas bottle and where the welding wire comes out of a njozzle with a trigger?
and TIG uses a stick-like rod?? or is that JIG or something?

ahh!!!! stoopid job sending me brainless! i need to go back to TAFE and learn something usefull!

[FastFwd]

They both gas but i think different type of gas...

and i thought it was TIG that was Stick rod fed and MIG that came out the nozzel.

[Limbo]

yeah my bad i'm lost.

TIG - uses a stick to weld, good for stainless, Alloys etc..., nicer welds, takes longer

MIG - uses a gun with the reel coming out of it. Point and shoot. Good for mild steel & easy to reach areas. Much quicker

[FastFwd]

just had to let you perth guys know if your interested. For my List of 80+ mods which needed special attention for 10 of them which the department of vehicle and reg said i couldnt have but the engineer signed them off (external gate, hand held ECU controller etc etc) and wrote approval back to department of vehicle and reg so i could keep them. Plus a list of 4 things he told me to edit on my car, which were small items e.g window sprays werent working (forgot to plug them up after putting my CF bonnet on). He only charged me $450 in total. $250 initially and then $200 for the Signed off approval form with all my mods on it.

Apparently my car had the longest list of modifications he had ever had to do and usually he said its much cheaper.

So im not to sure why people spread a bad word about engineers and how they are harsh or how they cost over $1500 for simple mod approval. This guy "Sea Shelf Eng 92461600 11 telopia dr duncraig " He is the Bee's Knee's....

If you have a honda and what to modify anything on it even if its something crazy going turbo, putting s2000 motor in your EG, go see him and im sure he will approve it and if he doesnt he will tell you what you need to do to get it approved.

Best move ive ever made to HELP! getting the cops off my @ss once and for all.

[Limbo]

that is cheap. Cost alot more in Sydney. I got quoted $850 last time i asked.
Should go for a holiday and get it engineered at the same time

[FastFwd]

Probably...he said usually it costs around $300 all up but cos my mod list was massive cost him a bit more time into investigating crap and paper works.

[kccord]

I second this,

My Engineer signed me off with external wastegate, stiff coilies, BOV and aftermarket ECU. He did visual checks all over and noise test. There is this new thing in which engineers have to take pictures of you car and its mods. I guess this will save your ass from "muppet" cop that try to convince themselves that you've changed something and you're deemed for another canary when the setup is perfectly legal.

It was the same as FastFwd, $450 total, $200 at first inspection and $250 when you pick-up the documents. Great guy, drives Prelude and builts kit cars in his workshop so he know what he's talking about -> Terry Southam Engineering Willeton.

[FastFwd]

Pictures hey.....

I think im going to have to look into that because he didnt take pictures for me. Im seeing him again tomorrow ill talk to him then.

[kraiye]

nice work guys. don't count your chickens regarding the cops though. hopefully if you get pulled up again they'll take the report for what it's worth and leave you on your merry way.

[kccord]

Then you hire a lawyer and sue their ass.

[zillacles]

They can still yellow you if they're pricks. Since they just need suspicion.

[kraiye]

Then you hire a lawyer and sue their ass.

lol. you can't sue a cop for being suspicious. it's sometimes BS but all they gotta do is say your car is suspiciously loud or looks low or they're not sure about a certain mod or the exhaust smells strong etc etc and you end up paying out for another inspection. that's why it pays not to be a smart arse to them (not saying you would be, just a general comment :thumbsup:) even when you do have the paper work to back it.

[FastFwd]

So...

Friday lunch i went to the engineer and he's given me the final paper work for my complete inspection. Drove straight to the pits 30 mins later and they looked at the paper work, didnt even look at the car and just ripped off the sticker :) :) ENGINEER FTW!!

Sat morning i was bored so i put my rimes back on and lowered it to what i thought my measurements were correct for legal height on my coilovers but after i dropped it it turned out like this... :) :) I had a 4 hour Hill cruise on sunday and i didnt have time to raize it so i drove it like this. Pushing my luck but yeah im not driving it from sunday onward for another 2-3 months. Not working atm just study so yellows pay a huge price on my finances which are usually nill :|

http://imgur.com/Ql0ARl.jpg

http://imgur.com/oqtv0l.jpg

Mean stance...

http://imgur.com/6gHzrl.jpg

my two b1tches

http://imgur.com/T4mibl.jpg

[040501912]

>.< looks rice but goes fast! who caresss...!!!

siicccccckk n congrats for getting it all sorted! now u can drive in peace..

[Lukezen27]

So...

Friday lunch i went to the engineer and he's given me the final paper work for my complete inspection. Drove straight to the pits 30 mins later and they looked at the paper work, didnt even look at the car and just ripped off the sticker :) :) ENGINEER FTW!!

Sat morning i was bored so i put my rimes back on and lowered it to what i thought my measurements were correct for legal height on my coilovers but after i dropped it it turned out like this... :) :) I had a 4 hour Hill cruise on sunday and i didnt have time to raize it so i drove it like this. Pushing my luck but yeah im not driving it from sunday onward for another 2-3 months. Not working atm just study so yellows pay a huge price on my finances which are usually nill :|





Mean stance...



my two b1tches



Makes me missing my body kit :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Still being able to drive over speed humps is a plus :p:p

[kccord]

So...

Friday lunch i went to the engineer and he's given me the final paper work for my complete inspection. Drove straight to the pits 30 mins later and they looked at the paper work, didnt even look at the car and just ripped off the sticker :) :) ENGINEER FTW!!

Sat morning i was bored so i put my rimes back on and lowered it to what i thought my measurements were correct for legal height on my coilovers but after i dropped it it turned out like this... :) :) I had a 4 hour Hill cruise on sunday and i didnt have time to raize it so i drove it like this. Pushing my luck but yeah im not driving it from sunday onward for another 2-3 months. Not working atm just study so yellows pay a huge price on my finances which are usually nill :|



Hey bro did you get permanent permit?? or is it still temporary?

Haven't heard anything on this IM240 crap.

[kccord]

lol. you can't sue a cop for being suspicious. it's sometimes BS but all they gotta do is say your car is suspiciously loud or looks low or they're not sure about a certain mod or the exhaust smells strong etc etc and you end up paying out for another inspection. that's why it pays not to be a smart arse to them (not saying you would be, just a general comment :thumbsup:) even when you do have the paper work to back it.

I will be suprised though if they still give me shits even after I handed 30pages essay of permit and engineer report (literally).

[FastFwd]

Makes me missing my body kit :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Still being able to drive over speed humps is a plus :p:p

I can still get over speed humps like that...my measurements were meant to have the lowest point of the car (my front bumper) to be 110mm (lowest legal being 100mm) but i accidently ended up lowering it to 95mms lowest point. so im going to raize it 15mm in 2-3 weeks when i get some time. But my suspension is soo solid even like how it is never scrapes. 3-4 hours of hill driving on sunday on fairly uneven roads it didnt scrape once.

But yeah i need to keep it legal height so before i drive it next ill be raizing it to its legal point.

[FastFwd]

Hey bro did you get permanent permit?? or is it still temporary?

Haven't heard anything on this IM240 crap.

Well i got my emissions tests done at EFI Auto and then my engineer viewed it over and signed off on the emissions being better than the legal limit. So its in my engineers certification thats its legal the way it is. Also sent the engineers certification to the Dep of vehicle and transport and they also signed off on all the things the engineer have and placed my modification on the database so if a cop brings my car up on there incar it will have a modifications section they can read with all of the stuff in my engineers report.

Cant be 100% sure on that but my engineer has been contracting for the perth dep vehicle and reg for 20 years he said and he told me that so im sure its valid.

he also said im240 tests are not valid in WA so even if you get one it will only be a reference atm and not something that can be certified. But my engineer said they are in the process of bringing the im240 in atm and in the next 1-2 years it will be manditory in vehicles like ours.

[FastFwd]

I will be suprised though if they still give me shits even after I handed 30pages essay of permit and engineer report (literally).

Yeah same...My engineers report has around 80 dot points of mods in which are detailed sections of materials used, regulations, legal requirements, functionality and durability etc etc and its roughly 50 pages long. Then i have 38 Pit receipts (for 15 yellows) with copies of prior issues on the car for reference to issues i have fixed. So if they mention something i can say "NO NO i got a yellow for this by a cop in the past but as u can see the pits have passed it as legal" cos cops have no idea whats legal and whats not. Ive been given around 8 out of the 15 yellows based on something on my car thats actually legal but then driven it over the pits and the inspector says "what the hell is this cop going on about" I also have 5 pages of permits from the actual pits and other receipts like Tint-a-cars Legal pages for darkest legal tint and my exhaust has been tested at 89.93db by my exhaust shop and was printed a document to show that plus other crap all in a ring binder which i stash under my seat. Next thing i will do is get dated photo's so cops dont say crap like "ahhh you probably just changed this after the permit"

U know what im thinking of making next....my engineer made one, its a 1m poll with a 100mm high chunk of MDF attached to it with glued on ruler to the side showing 100mm exactly. so u can slide it under the car and make sure it doesnt hit anything showing exactly that its 100mm or over. Cos I've measured mine up in the past and this yellow i just got recently the cop was like "nah mate its to low" and i said to the cop "the lowest point of the car is my front bumper and its 120mm, if you can tell me its not otherwise then give me a yellow" he just snobbed me off and said "he can see its not 100mm's" so next time ill have the rod with the ruler and just say "here ya go buddy, be my guest and check, ive made it easy for you"

no one would think by looking at those pictures my car is 5mm of the legal limit. They would say your bullsh1tting me, so i dont blame cops for thinking the same cos my car does look very low even when its completely legal"

anyways im rambling

[kccord]

Your rambling is very informative. Cheers.

[FastFwd]

Your rambling is very informative. Cheers.

hahaha thanks

[Limbo]

LOL good work. Looks like the next cop pulling you over is in for it.

[FastFwd]

LOL good work. Looks like the next cop pulling you over is in for it.

Usually i show them all the evidence i can that my car is 100% legal. 80% of the time they say "hey no worries looks like your doing the right thing" and let me go. But its those cops that have already made there mind up that there giving you a yellow before they even hop out of there car. Those are the cops that get me going. I show them everything, i reason with them but they just find anything like "muffler not mounted firmly" pffft i got a red sticker for that one when my muffler is solid. They just couldnt find anything so they just gave me a sticker for the hell of it.

[Limbo]

i got a defect letter for oil leak, which even the mechanic couldn't find.
Took it up with the local police station, as the ticket didn't even have a date to get it fixed.
Didn't specifiy how to clear the defect, either a pink or blue slip.

They wouldn't even tell me the officer's name.
Seriously the cops all kinda just pretended it wasn't anything wrong. They certainly cover for themselves.

I took it up with the police ombudsman and even then they didn't do anything.

I ended up paying the $88 fine as it was easier than showing up to court, which would have been werid cos my friend's dad was the local magistrate and i had told him about the situation.

This was back when i was only 18, didn't know what to do at the time.

It situations like those that make people disrespect the cops

[FastFwd]

i got a defect letter for oil leak, which even the mechanic couldn't find.
Took it up with the local police station, as the ticket didn't even have a date to get it fixed.
Didn't specifiy how to clear the defect, either a pink or blue slip.

They wouldn't even tell me the officer's name.
Seriously the cops all kinda just pretended it wasn't anything wrong. They certainly cover for themselves.

I took it up with the police ombudsman and even then they didn't do anything.

I ended up paying the $88 fine as it was easier than showing up to court, which would have been werid cos my friend's dad was the local magistrate and i had told him about the situation.

This was back when i was only 18, didn't know what to do at the time.

It situations like those that make people disrespect the cops

Exactly, when a cop wants to give me a yellow but then i show him all the goods and hes walks away saying "well son it looks like your doing the right thing so im not going to give you a yellow" i respect that. My car looks 100% yellow worthy but its just unknown to them that its actually 100% legal until i show them the paper work. But like i said before some cops have already made up there mind that they are going to give you a yellow no matter what before they even get out of there car and at that point with those types of cops theres nothing you can say or do to make him think otherwise. Even if you show him ever legal permit under the sun they will find a reason to give you a yellow even if its for the most stupid reason like "your window's dirty" one of my mates here in perth 2-3 years ago got a yellow for that, true story. And really when a cop whats to be an @ss theres no way around it. You can get his badge number, take him to court but in the end you still have the yellow on your car and its game over from there and they know it.

[kccord]

May I ask if your permit is temporary with exp date or permanent? and which pit?

[FastFwd]

May I ask if your permit is temporary with exp date or permanent? and which pit?

No pit,

Its engineers permit which was then submitted to the departments of vehicle and reg. No expiree...

[kccord]

No pit,

Its engineers permit which was then submitted to the departments of vehicle and reg. No expiree...

so you didnt go and see pits? who took your yellow sticker off then?

[kccord]

My process was:

1. Submit vehicle modification declaring form to Welshpool (This is the stage where they see if you require engineer signatory or not)
2. Since that didn't go through I went to see an engineer to get his signatory
3. Engineer report was then submitted back to Welshpool Department
4. Welshpool department gave me the green lights and to approach a pit to remove yellow off
5. Went to pits, got the yellow off HOWEVER since IM240 was implemented back then I was given a temporary permit in which I have to do the emission testing before I can get permanent permit

So in total, I have an engineer signatory and permit from pits. Cops only look at pits paper coz engineer report means jack shit to them