B16A vs. B16B

[MRB18R]

Hey guys was so curious to know this... an EK/EM w/B16A + bolt on's (I/H/E)... what times should it be running down the 1/4 mile in full trim...?

and an EK/EM w/B16B + bolt on's (I/H/E)... what times should that be running on the 1/4...?

just curious to know...

Cheers Guys

[Mugen_B16B]

i no someone who ran 14.6 in a b16a with ihe, the b16b should prob be 14.4 or so, not much diff

[jks24]

Would be determined by all different factors. What intake/headers/exhaust etc condition of the motor, driver etc

[braeden]

Learn your gears and powerbands perhaps?

[OMG.JAI xD]

An ek and em have a different kerb weight. An em will be slower than an ek with the same engine and mods.

A b16b powered ek would probably run the same time as a normal dc2 type r.
After all it is only a destroked version of the b18cr.
Less power with a lighter car, pretty much the same as having more power in a heavier car. Give or take a few factors thatll change the 1/4 mile time. Itll still cross the line at approximately the same speed.

[eg5civic]

actually there was a vid i was watching spoon b18c eg vs ek ctr and the ctr only just lost... so...

[ninzee]

actually there was a vid i was watching spoon b18c eg vs ek ctr and the ctr only just lost... so...

i think i saw that wasnt it a circuit though he wants 2 know 1/4 mile differences

it comes down to the driver and how well you know your car a perfect example is yuan he mangaged 13.9 with his dc2r i/h/e most people if they drove his car would get a 14.2-14.5 same as if you took your car down the track and some1 else did the same with your car you would get a better time

[OMG.JAI xD]

Pretty sure a Integra Type R B18C will own a Civic Type R B16B in a straight line. Best Motoring in Japan has tested this. B18C has more torque giving better standing start acceleration.

Handling wise, pretty similar between the 2 cars and depends a lot on the type of corner.

Why would anyone buy a Civic Type R over a Integra Type R is beyond me.

BTW Civic Type R weight about the same as a Integra Type R.

Well put it this way then bud.
The audm b18c7 has 141kw. The b18cr JDM has 147kw.
The b16b is only jdm with 136kw.
Compare it to the audm b18c7 with 141 kw. Its only 5kw difference.
Put into account the weight differences. Theyre both similar.
Even with the extra 11kw difference with the jdm b18c It still isnt much of a difference.
"Weigh about the same" is not the same as weighing the same. 50-100kgs make a BIG difference when it comes to n/a tuning.

[90LAN]

4.7 fd and dc2r only weighs 1040 with ac and 1080 with ac
so go figure
it always comes down to driver and few other factors

with both motors they will do 14's

and maths is 6kw lol

Compare it to the audm b18c7 with 141 kw. Its only 5kw difference.

[Dems]

4.7 fd and dc2r only weighs 1040 with ac and 1080 with ac
so go figure
it always comes down to driver and few other factors

with both motors they will do 14's

and maths is 6kw lol

Compare it to the audm b18c7 with 141 kw. Its only 5kw difference.

b16b 136kw compared to b18c7 141kw is 5kw difference.

136 + 5 = 141 lol.

[OMG.JAI xD]

lol -.-"


Ill make it easier. Youve got 8grand redline and a motor that can handle 9grand with head work. (b16a)
Add boost with a turbo that can flow up to 9grand for that motor. Ie gt30 or gt35.

End of story. b16a is useless unless boosted. Or the head is used on a b20.
The amount of money youll spend on making a b16 run constant 13's on a full trim car youll have a 12 second boosted car with fully sick subs and 19" rims.

And the amount of money youve spent on getting a b16b motor you couldve spend the same amount of money modding the b16a to make the same power as the b16b.

If the debate is about 1/4mile times. The easiest way to cross the line as fast as possible is boost. You can make an n/a car cross the line as fast as a boosted car (to a certain degree) but youll end up spending more time on part, shedding weight etc etc.
Im talking about street car drag racing. Not funny car, mopar jet engine drag cars.

[Silverstone]

90LAN your "maths" is wrong hahaha

[90LAN]

b16b 136kw compared to b18c7 141kw is 5kw difference.

136 + 5 = 141 lol.


147 - 141 kw

depends what u look at

its actually 135kw b16b - 141 so still 6

no either way im still correct

[Dems]

147 - 141 kw

depends what u look at

its actually 135kw b16b - 141 so still 6

no either way im still correct


B16B: Power: 136 kW (185 PS) @ 8200 rpm & 16.3kgm (118 ft/lbs) @ 7500 rpm

B18C7: Power: 141 kW (193 PS) @ 8200 rpm & 127 ft·lbf/172 N·m @ 7500 rpm

http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao/facepalm.jpg

the post was "The b16b is only jdm with 136kw.
Compare it to the audm b18c7 with 141 kw. Its only 5kw difference."

136 + 5 = 141...

[90LAN]

look at what u used as your reference
hahahahahahh
get some real knowledge

[Silverstone]

go back to school and learn some maths

[90LAN]

go back to school and learn some maths

no need if you use the correct information
and not bullshit web site to get your info

[NightKids]

no need if you use the correct information
and not bullshit web site to get your info

The EK9 forums has it listed at 137kw which makes you more wrong.

Source:- http://www.ek9.org/forum/engine/7-b16b-engine-information.html

[Dems]

The EK9 forums has it listed at 137kw which makes you more wrong.

Source:- http://www.ek9.org/forum/engine/7-b16b-engine-information.html

lol,

90LAN, please provide your facts and where they are from.

[90LAN]

comes from having 3 b16bs mate
not internet bullshit
do you have any real life exprience or just internet exprience

anybody can press a few buttons

[nigs]

wow are you guys arguing over 1KW?

only on a Honda forum........

[Dems]

comes from having 3 b16bs mate
not internet bullshit
do you have any real life exprience or just internet exprience

anybody can press a few buttons

what you pull the dipstick out and taste the oil?

if you had added your own information as to "correct" power figures for b16b rather then "maths lol" or "no either way im still correct"

no one would have bothered posting any of this...

too cool for school ;)

[90LAN]

what you pull the dipstick out and taste the oil?

if you had added your own information as to "correct" power figures for b16b rather then "maths lol" or "no either way im still correct"

no one would have bothered posting any of this...

too cool for school ;)

yeah keep dreaming buddy
whats your exprience with b16bs ?

well if you werent his boyfriend and stuck up for him
you wouldnt be in this mess would you

[bennjamin]

guys the b16b engine....made 185 PS (pfredstark....german for horsepower)

which is approx. 136kw in the metric system

Can we stop this bickering ? NO ONE is getting a rep point or an infraction here. Lets let it slide.

Back on topic.

[90LAN]

All this talk about a 5kw difference between the B16a and B18c. What we should be looking at is the TORQUE difference. B16a is 148Nm, where B18c is 173Nm. Thats 25Nm more or 17% more. Torque is what gets you off the line quicker and also out of corners quicker.

and final drive too

[Mugen_B16B]

indeed the final makes a big difference, ctr has the advantage with that with shorter gears hence gets into higher gears to make higher km's, lsd also accounts

[civicboy84]

well that was a poitless ****ing read.....guys seriously who gives a ****...

[NightKids]

and final drive too

I guess the final drive will make up the 1-2kws that you short changed the B16B... LOL

[90LAN]

I guess the final drive will make up the 1-2kws that you short changed the B16B... LOL

haha or a shitty driver

[TheSaint]

so is there any massive reasons to spend more and take the time to hunt down a B16B or is it easier just to drop in a B16A and mod it up?

[anster]

im not no expert here. but i'll give you my opinion. i currently have a b16a2 that revs over that 8k mark.
and it does not feel as though it would pull off any 14 second passes anytime soon with the mods you listed i/h/e.
does that give you an idea of the times it'll pull 1/4.
but its not in a ek or em shell. dont know if egs are any lighter, but im sure it wouldnt be running 14s anytime soon.
best to increase capacity.

[redefine]

im not no expert here. but i'll give you my opinion. i currently have a b16a2 that revs over that 8k mark.
and it does not feel as though it would pull off any 14 second passes anytime soon with the mods you listed i/h/e.
does that give you an idea of the times it'll pull 1/4.
but its not in a ek or em shell. dont know if egs are any lighter, but im sure it wouldnt be running 14s anytime soon.
best to increase capacity.

eg's are lighter then ek's, so all else being equal, an eg should be running faster passes then an ek




buuuuuuuuut. we're all forgetting about the supah JDM fanboi points for using a super JDM B16b.



and 90lan: owning 3 b16b's dont meant shit. especially when every motor is different due to condition/wear etc. its best to use manufacturers specs in this convo, in which case i dont even need a honda to find out.... -_-



also, why are we talking peak torque figures to pull us out of the corner on the track?? :confused: if you wanna go that much into detail you need the torque curve, and even then, its more what the driver can do with it.

[Limbo]

end of the day the b16b will always be slightly quicker as the ek9 vs ek4 there is a weight difference.

b16a - 117kw
b16b - 136kw

Though i have seen a worked b16a do low 13s, but that was with quite a few mods, Cams and lower FD

[EK9]

ok, here's my 2c to a kinda pointless thread...

if talking b16a vs b16b down the 1/4 in the same car, the difference will be so damn small... i'd think 0.5sec or less. a LONG time ago, i tried doing a 1/4 on bald street tyres with an in car timer and clocked 15.0 flat. anyway, let's not go there, lol.

i've driven both and the b16b is definitely a different beast. but if i had to chose, i'd take a b18c over a b16b just to get that extra torque, cos revving past 4-5k everyday on the street is just insane.

[EK1.6LCIV]

b16b for the lsd and block

ot: who's keen for a drag day?

[Limbo]

lol i rev past 4-5k everytime i drive!


ok, here's my 2c to a kinda pointless thread...

if talking b16a vs b16b down the 1/4 in the same car, the difference will be so damn small... i'd think 0.5sec or less. a LONG time ago, i tried doing a 1/4 on bald street tyres with an in car timer and clocked 15.0 flat. anyway, let's not go there, lol.

i've driven both and the b16b is definitely a different beast. but if i had to chose, i'd take a b18c over a b16b just to get that extra torque, cos revving past 4-5k everyday on the street is just insane.

[TheSaint]

haha same =p

[OMG.JAI xD]

LOL.

What have I done. 2 pages of arguing about power output lol.

Gotta love it.


btw. b16b is 135.6 kw LOL. =] I had to. Couldnt resist.


Anyway.
b16b>b16a if both costed the same.
b16a>b16b in terms of modifying.

ek9>ek4 If both cost the same
ek4>ek9 Cause in the end of the day. Its still an EK chassis.

EM>EK if both cost the same.
EK>EM cause EM is just ridiculously expensive. Its a heavier car with the same engine as the hatch version.


1/4>street Only cause its the right thing to do to keep racing off the streets.
street>1/4 Because thats where it all counts.... Because the streets. Was where it all started.


oh... just for sh!ts and giggles.

spoonb16b>b16b


=]

[eg5civic]

not to attack you jai but please show where you can build a b16a to same power as a b16b for same price.

b16b + gearbox is say... being generous 5.5k -6k.

b16a + gearbox 3k-4k
Cams- 2nd hand $500?
LSD- 2nd hand (if you can find for b16a g/b) $700
Dual valve springs- $200?
Forged Internals- $1000 (2nd hand maybe)
Ported Head- $500?
labour for install - $500-$700
Aftermarket ecu and tune - ecu $800 tune $500?

Feel free to correct money figures by all means, but i think you'll find the b16b is much better value for money

And at the end of the day the b16b is a type r block means straight swap to b18c internals or even the 2L stroker...
b16a can only be stroked to 1.8L

EDIT- oh and i still forgot the block girdle, intake manifold, bigger throttle body ect :D

[OMG.JAI xD]

not to attack you jai but please show where you can build a b16a to same power as a b16b for same price.

b16b + gearbox is say... being generous 5.5k -6k.

b16a + gearbox 3k-4k
Cams- 2nd hand $500?
LSD- 2nd hand (if you can find for b16a g/b) $700
Dual valve springs- $200?
Forged Internals- $1000 (2nd hand maybe)
Ported Head- $500?
labour for install - $500-$700
Aftermarket ecu and tune - ecu $800 tune $500?

Feel free to correct money figures by all means, but i think you'll find the b16b is much better value for money

And at the end of the day the b16b is a type r block means straight swap to b18c internals or even the 2L stroker...
b16a can only be stroked to 1.8L

EDIT- oh and i still forgot the block girdle, intake manifold, bigger throttle body ect :D


No worries mate. No harm done.

Just to point out. That I said power and you confirmed it by saying it yourself.
"Power" in regards to engine. Does not include gearbox.
You dont need 3/4 of the things youve listed.

Stock b16a is around 118kw give or take a bit.
Stock b16b is 136kw (or 135 to those who debate).
I know that just an ecu tune can gain 5-10kw (generalising on all motors Honda or not). And thats at the wheels.
Say it gains the same amount of power at the wheels compared to the flywheel.
And to achieve that any ecu that controls fuel injection and ignition timing is sufficient. Wheter its a piggyback or a stand alone. It will not be any different.
Say it gained 10kw with I/H/E. Its already got 128kw (at the flywheel).
And mate. A b16a does not cost 3grand with a box.
A b18c2 with gearbox can be bought for 2.5-3grand.

Ill sum it all up.

Use a different scenario.
There are MANY posts on this forum on dyno runs. A stock dc2R makes anywhere between 100-110kw atw.
Its claimed to have 141kw atw (or 147kw jdm).
A dc2 vtir can make 105kw atw with i/h/e and only a vafc. And that motor is claimed to have 125kw stock. (i reckon its around 130kw).

At the end of the day mate. 5 or so kw here and there doesnt really mean sh!t. An n/a setup doesnt entirely rely on engine power to be fast.

Try not to start debates. The facts are there. You can never put a price on 2nd hand parts. As its always human preference.
And besides. If you wanted to build a motor. Why would you buy a complete motor with internals if all that is going to be replaced?

[eg5civic]

well thats the beauty of a b16b

you buy it, unopened, and it is making all that power. You dont worry about tuning, getting parts together, assembling, dyno time ect

you buy the motor and gearbox, do all your normal conversion operations, plug int he stock ecu and off you go.

And at the end of the day ok, it may make close to them same power as a stock b16b but what have you achieved?? If 5kw's doesnt mean shit at the end of the day, why go through all the effort of building a b16a when you can go b18c and make more power without building it?

ANd also, yes 3/4 of the things on that list arent needed but we're building a b16a to the same power a b16b makes... so everything on that motor contributes to how the b16b works. Its forged internals for reliabilty at high rpm, ported head, larger manifold is a big thing aswell as TB.

At the end of the day building your b16a to the same power of a b16b is the same as turboing a SOHC d series. Look at what lyle found out. Turbo d series equivalent to jdm b16a.

Whats less hassle. Putting together a turbo kit and building the motor or slapping in a b16a. And more importantly what was cheaper and more reliable

[ninzee]

Use a different scenario.
There are MANY posts on this forum on dyno runs. A stock dc2R makes anywhere between 100-110kw atw.
Its claimed to have 141kw atw (or 147kw jdm).
A dc2 vtir can make 105kw atw with i/h/e and only a vafc. And that motor is claimed to have 125kw stock. (i reckon its around 130kw).


u sure a dc2 vtir makes only 105kw atw with i/h/e/and a vafc cause i got 106.3kw atw in my b16a with that and its only a gen 1 vafc so its only got 6 graphs 2 work on i also got dyno papers if u want

[OMG.JAI xD]

u sure a dc2 vtir makes only 105kw atw with i/h/e/and a vafc cause i got 106.3kw atw in my b16a with that and its only a gen 1 vafc so its only got 6 graphs 2 work on i also got dyno papers if u want

Dude. Why is everyone trying to prove a point -.-"

Every dyno is different. You can get 110kw on one and 100 on another. Especially on the drive on dynos, different tyre sizes make different kw readings also. I was using the figures as an example.





And at the end of the day ok, it may make close to them same power as a stock b16b but what have you achieved?? If 5kw's doesnt mean shit at the end of the day, why go through all the effort of building a b16a when you can go b18c and make more power without building it?

Im not stupid mate. I know you can go b18c. But read the title. b16a v b16b. Theres a reason why I didnt but b18c in there.



ANd also, yes 3/4 of the things on that list arent needed but we're building a b16a to the same power a b16b makes... so everything on that motor contributes to how the b16b works. Its forged internals for reliabilty at high rpm, ported head, larger manifold is a big thing aswell as TB.

Again. b16b is a motor. Not a package. Any b series gearbox can be fitted to the b16b.
Forged internals do not have more reliability at high rpms. Forged internals have more structural support when it comes to pushing the engine to produce more power than factory. RPM wise both forged and OEM is the same. Remember that the piston doesnt ever touch the cylinder bores. The piston rings do.
All that head work, manifold and all that. lol mate. Youll be pushing in excess of 110-115kw atw. That is by far more powerful than a b16b.



At the end of the day building your b16a to the same power of a b16b is the same as turboing a SOHC d series. Look at what lyle found out. Turbo d series equivalent to jdm b16a.

Whats less hassle. Putting together a turbo kit and building the motor or slapping in a b16a. And more importantly what was cheaper and more reliable

Again mate.

The thread title states b16a v b16b.
Youre comparing other motors and then adding boost into the equation.
This thread will go on for miles if you added all different motors.
Save your self the hassle. And stop trying to prove a point.
"b16b" is not an engine and gearbox package. Its an engine.
A gearbox DOES NOT contribute on how an ENGINE works. It does contribute on how it performs however.
A gearbox is a form of drivetrain to provide drive and reverse. Transffering the power from the engine through the axles, through the wheels and onto the ground. An ENGINE can operate without a gearbox.
Ever heard of an engine dyno? Where they put the engine on this machine that mimics the effects of a gearbox or load. Yeh that one.


Oh and before you get worked up and probably prove me wrong some how.

Remember. b16a v b16b.

[shadou]

lol such a simple question and such a shit storm brewed out of it, I love it.

[pinoy-boi]

keyboard warriors FTW!!!!

[jimsta]

very interesting topic i must add.

[OMG.JAI xD]

keyboard warriors FTW!!!!

Nah bro its called e-gangsters.
Gangs of oz shiet.

[eg5civic]

Again. b16b is a motor. Not a package. Any b series gearbox can be fitted to the b16b.
Forged internals do not have more reliability at high rpms. Forged internals have more structural support when it comes to pushing the engine to produce more power than factory. RPM wise both forged and OEM is the same. Remember that the piston doesnt ever touch the cylinder bores. The piston rings do.
All that head work, manifold and all that. lol mate. Youll be pushing in excess of 110-115kw atw. That is by far more powerful than a b16b.

Oh i'm sorry, you can run around revving a stock b16a to 10000rpm reliably can you? Forged pistons are more ductile and resistant to breaking, and detonation. And wouldnt having forged internals be helpful when upgrading the b16a to... oh right produce more power than factory. Thats maybe why the b16b came with them stock right?

If oem and forged pistons are the same i really cant see why honda would bother using them.

And yeah all that head work and that? what you think its there for wank factor? Sorry i'm not trying to be a smartass but think about what your saying.

Honda have produced this motor to make more power than a b16a. otherwise they would of put a b16a in the ctr.


Again mate.

The thread title states b16a v b16b.
Youre comparing other motors and then adding boost into the equation.
This thread will go on for miles if you added all different motors.
Save your self the hassle. And stop trying to prove a point.
"b16b" is not an engine and gearbox package. Its an engine.
A gearbox DOES NOT contribute on how an ENGINE works. It does contribute on how it performs however.
A gearbox is a form of drivetrain to provide drive and reverse. Transffering the power from the engine through the axles, through the wheels and onto the ground. An ENGINE can operate without a gearbox.
Ever heard of an engine dyno? Where they put the engine on this machine that mimics the effects of a gearbox or load. Yeh that one.


Oh and before you get worked up and probably prove me wrong some how.

Remember. b16a v b16b.

If you read what i actually said, alot of people boost d series sohc's and find they are no quicker than a b16a. i'm comparing building a b16a (turbo d sohc) to buying a b16b. (b16a in previous example) Get it now?

and i'm glad you realise how a gearbox works in conjunction with the motor to make them big wheels turn, but my point was, if you were doing a conversion the b16b would be cheaper if you wanted a unopened motor that was "worked". Instead of running around and worrying about buying parts for your b16a to make it as fast

and if you really wanna get technical ok you pick up a b16a for what 2.5k

You'll still spend more money than that building a b16a to get it to anywhere near the standard of the b16b which could be had for 5k

[eg5civic]

oh and

i has b16b

i am jdm as ****

I am hard, i run these streets, 2jz no shit


/thread

[OMG.JAI xD]

Oh i'm sorry, you can run around revving a stock b16a to 10000rpm reliably can you?

Ehh. No? lol b16b revs to 9K. The spoon b16b revs to 10.
b16a rev to 9000rpm? Yeh. Pretty easy.



Forged pistons are more ductile and resistant to breaking, and detonation. And wouldnt having forged internals be helpful when upgrading the b16a to... oh right produce more power than factory. Thats maybe why the b16b came with them stock right?

You just said what i said. Lol. I DID say they were much stronger than oem. But to handle rpm. Is no different. If aftermarket pistons and rods were heavier i couldnt see how MORE rotational mass creates better reliability. And maybe you dont believe me ay?

=]
Compare the size of an OEM conrod as opposed to an aftermarket oh lets say. Eagle rod conrod. Youll notice the difference.



If oem and forged pistons are the same i really cant see why honda would bother using them.

Hmm yeh I dont either ay. Though not once did i say they were alike. I just said they both can handle rpm pretty much about the same.



And yeah all that head work and that? what you think its there for wank factor? Sorry i'm not trying to be a smartass but think about what your saying.

I did think about what I said. And what i said was to create the 'same' power. Not more.
Vtec heads are one of the best, if not, the best flowing heads on a 4 cylinder engine. But hey, what do I know. I mean honda is the largest engine manufacturer in the world. But still i guess you should think about what youre saying.

Porting heads is good for performance. Thats facts and i cannot deny it. But think of this. Porting is a method of 'shaving' metal in the ports to allow a bigger entry or exit creating more flow. When you remove metal, wouldnt that sort of make you think that maybe youve tampered with the rigidity and strength of the head itself? Oh wait reliability. Hmmm less metal more reliable.
Mind you the head is still strong. But no matter what anyone in the world says. Simple basic laws of physics (or whatever.) if you have a solid object with x amount of rigidity and remove z amount of matter from that solid object, there is no possible way. That, that solid object is as strong as it was to start off with.




If you read what i actually said, alot of people boost d series sohc's and find they are no quicker than a b16a. i'm comparing building a b16a (turbo d sohc) to buying a b16b. (b16a in previous example) Get it now?

Ok. Im reading. I did say this thread was about b16a and b16b. Not turbo D series. And id like to know how you build a b16a turbo d sohc o_O.



and i'm glad you realise how a gearbox works in conjunction with the motor to make them big wheels turn, but my point was, if you were doing a conversion the b16b would be cheaper if you wanted a unopened motor that was "worked". Instead of running around and worrying about buying parts for your b16a to make it as fast

Thanks mate. It took me heaps of googling to find out how a gearbox works. It was tough but I must admit. Interesting little things arent they?
Its funny how you say.. "A motor that is 'worked' " lol.
I cant see how a destroked version of an existing motor is "worked".
I think the right term is "modified".



and if you really wanna get technical ok you pick up a b16a for what 2.5k

You'll still spend more money than that building a b16a to get it to anywhere near the standard of the b16b which could be had for 5k

Yeh. Thats true. But hey. It is coming from someone that can build a b16a turbo d sohc.

=]


Im waiting anxiously for your reply. Please meistro. Continue this battle. As i have made my move. We will make ozhonda history. As the most epic keyboard war this forum has ever seen.

[EK9]

lol i rev past 4-5k everytime i drive!
yeah fair enough, i probably do too... lol. but it's such a biatch on petrol.

anyway, this thread is out of control. just a reminder...


Hey guys was so curious to know this... an EK/EM w/B16A + bolt on's (I/H/E)... what times should it be running down the 1/4 mile in full trim...?

and an EK/EM w/B16B + bolt on's (I/H/E)... what times should that be running on the 1/4...?

just curious to know...

Cheers Guys

[eg5civic]

Yeh. Thats true. But hey. It is coming from someone that can build a b16a turbo d sohc.

=]


Im waiting anxiously for your reply. Please meistro. Continue this battle. As i have made my move. We will make ozhonda history. As the most epic keyboard war this forum has ever seen.

Before i go any further and waste my time replying to a moron

can you not see the comparison i'm making?
Are you that illiterate or are you that blinded by your argument that the b16a is the ultimatum of bang for you buck performance?

I am saying building a b16a to be as powerful as a b16b is like building a d series sohc turbo to be as powerful as a b16a

to put it easier for you prehistoric brain

A B
sohc d series turbo = b16a stock

b16a "modified" = b16b stock

to buy "B" is less work and hassle than "modifying" "A"

Understand yet or do i have to get pictures?

And no history is repeating itself as this argument has been had on this forum before.

Your move

[shadou]

How about street use b16a for track enthusisrs b16b, I don't think you'll be able to juice a b16b on normal roads abiding by road rules, gg topic done stop bickering

[OMG.JAI xD]

Before i go any further and waste my time replying to a moron

can you not see the comparison i'm making?
Are you that illiterate or are you that blinded by your argument that the b16a is the ultimatum of bang for you buck performance?

I am saying building a b16a to be as powerful as a b16b is like building a d series sohc turbo to be as powerful as a b16a

to put it easier for you prehistoric brain

A B
sohc d series turbo = b16a stock

b16a "modified" = b16b stock

to buy "B" is less work and hassle than "modifying" "A"

Understand yet or do i have to get pictures?

And no history is repeating itself as this argument has been had on this forum before.

Your move

"If you read what i actually said, alot of people boost d series sohc's and find they are no quicker than a b16a. i'm comparing building a b16a (turbo d sohc) to buying a b16b. (b16a in previous example) Get it now?"

Why put "turbo d sohc" in brackets after b16a? I know what youre saying. But that sentence doesnt make sense. lol

My move?

Mate you havent made your move yet. You only quoted me on one thing from my previous post. And that did not have anything to do with the b16a v b16b debate we've been having. It was just you getting worked up over a comment I made.

And let me point something out.

"to buy "B" is less work and hassle than "modifying" "A" "

When did we start talking about the amount of work or hassles involved in modding a b16a?
I thought the original topic was that a b16a can make the same power as a b16b at the same cost of a b16b.
And the facts are that you can.
Then you add forged internals and revving to 10,000rpm. o_O
For 18more kilowatts. You suggested. Porting the head. Forged internals. Cams. ECU. And an engine to rev to 10,000rpm.

For 18 more kilowatts in power... 18 kilowatts.

Am i blinded and forced to think that b16a is a bang for your buck engine?

Well. Yes.
Its cheap. Theres more of them around than the b16b. And in the right chassis with the right setup its a monster.
You have to understand that not once did i say the b16b was a crap motor.
I only merely said. Compared to the b16a. The b16b is nothing special. And that statement I can only say due to the cost and rarity of the motor.
If both motors costed the same or around about the same and was less rare. Then b16b>b16a any day. But the facts are. Its overrated.

Dont get worked up buddy. Its only a forum. Youre entitled to your opinion. But back it up with facts and try to remember what youve said. Cause you seem to clash in your argument points. You add more points to try and prove me wrong.

Youve completely steered away from the original debate.
Which in this case. You, yourself. Have agreed with me. That you can build a b16a to match a b16b

might i quote.

"b16a "modified" = b16b stock"


Theres no need to call people names. A moron is a term used to describe someone else as someone with limited or no knowledge of anything.
If I was a moron. Then what are you?

Another day passes. And I await your reply once more.
Try stay on topic this time. I still dont see how comparing a turbo D to a b16a has anything to do with a b16a compared to a b16b.

[LiL FiLo]

From personal experience.
An Ek with B16B, simple mods IHE.
kept up 2
JDM DC2R with full stripped interior and IHE mods...

id say alot would be to do with the drivers, but thats my 2 cents worth

[bennjamin]

From personal experience.
An Ek with B16B, simple mods IHE.
kept up 2
JDM DC2R with full stripped interior and IHE mods...

id say alot would be to do with the drivers, but thats my 2 cents worth

That car did a pb of 14.3 i think ? Correct me if wrong. Still , to
keep this in topic the b16b is a literal step inbetween a b16a and a b18c or b18c7.
Anyone else here with 1/4 mile times and figures for both b16a powered and b16b powered vehicles ?

[LiL FiLo]

close benla!

the Ek did a 14.1

and that DC2 recently had done a 14.1 aswell

basically on par with eachother

+1 to what ben said

[bennjamin]

Nice one - cheers big ears :-)

[shadou]

mustve been a shit driver, straight line?

[Nepolian]

Hey guys was so curious to know this... an EK/EM w/B16A + bolt on's (I/H/E)... what times should it be running down the 1/4 mile in full trim...?

and an EK/EM w/B16B + bolt on's (I/H/E)... what times should that be running on the 1/4...?

just curious to know...

Cheers Guys

On the assumption that both engines are dead stock coupled with their respective gearboxes, running same I/H/E the EK+B16B will be faster every time.

Having said that, there is too much variables when it comes to 1/4 times......driver/setup etc......

I'd go as far as to say if its same driver/setup there would be around 0.5 sec diff.

[shadou]

Exactly as someone stated earlier the diff is so small that on street you'll not notice it, b16b is good but for 30 secs diff I'd rather a b16a cos I can't feel it on the roads!