How bad is it sticking it in redline

[quocies]

Just recently took my type-s completely in redline through 1 all the way to the end of 2, the needle staying in red due to the wet road. Probably did it twice.

I'm wondering how bad is this for the engine? hear honda engines are designed for the red, but is this taking it too far?

[IRI]

Like just about every engine, it has a rev limiter, to stop you grenading it...

[CB7_OWNER]

Its fine.. just dont do it to often lol, make sure you dont hold the revs to long while the needles bouncing from the rev limiter. Do note that this is not recommended, as your spinning your driveshafts up to a faster speed then your actually going... and its not good.. dont remember the exact reason lol.. but i just remember spinning up the driveshafts faster then the cars going is bad...

take it easy in the wet.. vtec less...temptin.. but its dangerous..

[IEVAQ8]

its a honda with high rev limiter and vtec, it was built to be revved..........

just be smart about it and make sure the car is warmed up well and be realistic when having fun and dont over do it..........
thats my opinion...

[kcokla]

its a honda with high rev limiter and vtec, it was built to be revved..........

just be smart about it and make sure the car is warmed up well and be realistic when having fun and dont over do it..........
thats my opinion...

:thumbsup:

cars are designed to be driven. and in some cases, a little bit harder.
with good maintainence on your engine and well warmed up, red lining is not much of an issue.

if it was going to blow up in your face honda would have made the rev limiter significantly lower.

[quocies]

Thanks for the reply guys. I don't feel as bad about it now, guess I'll take it in for a service an extra 1000k/ms early.

[quocies]

Ok so I was on the highway today overtaking and taking it to the red in 3rd then changed and found it popped into 2nd and revved past 9000 out of the range to 10000! then did it again to 9000 on 2 occasions trying to change from 3rd to 4th but ending in 2nd. I change fine from 3rd to 4th if say it was in 6-7 rev range, however anything past that it finds itself in 2nd.

I'm convinced if I keep this up the engine is defo gonna blow on me. Any suggestions?

[bennjamin]

as long as the engine is warmed up (coolant temp. gauge shows normal) you have sufficient oil and generally are smooth about it , the car should be able to take it.


But over revving and down shifting can get you into trouble.
For example , if you try to snag 4th and go into 2nd at max RPMs , that will pull the engine ( via the transmission) into theoretical unseen unstable RPMS.....like 10,000....12,000 even 15,000rpms. That will instantly blow the engine.

[string]

Any suggestions?

Stop doing it.

[mrwillz]

its a honda with high rev limiter and vtec, it was built to be revved..........

just be smart about it and make sure the car is warmed up well and be realistic when having fun and dont over do it..........
thats my opinion...

+ keep an eye on oil as a regular thing and you should be fine :cool:

[quocies]

Thanks String, i'll try my best.

[-Tom]

dont remember the exact reason lol.. but i just remember spinning up the driveshafts faster then the cars going is bad...


I'm guessing it has something to do with the driveshaft possibly dislodging from where it connects to the engine since it's trying to spin at a different speed - death.

[IEVAQ8]

I'm guessing it has something to do with the driveshaft possibly dislodging from where it connects to the engine since it's trying to spin at a different speed - death.

how is it possible for the drive shafts to dislodge themselves?????

i would have hope honda made the car safe enugh for people not to have to worry bout them just coming out.......regardless of the way its been driven.....

[minhkore]

oh stop being a lil girl.

[krogoth]

Ok so I was on the highway today overtaking and taking it to the red in 3rd then changed and found it popped into 2nd and revved past 9000 out of the range to 10000! then did it again to 9000 on 2 occasions trying to change from 3rd to 4th but ending in 2nd. I change fine from 3rd to 4th if say it was in 6-7 rev range, however anything past that it finds itself in 2nd.

I'm convinced if I keep this up the engine is defo gonna blow on me. Any suggestions?

my advice would be you should ditch manual and stick to auto..

[redefine]

Ok so I was on the highway today overtaking and taking it to the red in 3rd then changed and found it popped into 2nd and revved past 9000 out of the range to 10000! then did it again to 9000 on 2 occasions trying to change from 3rd to 4th but ending in 2nd. I change fine from 3rd to 4th if say it was in 6-7 rev range, however anything past that it finds itself in 2nd.

I'm convinced if I keep this up the engine is defo gonna blow on me. Any suggestions?

if you keep that up...yes, the engine will blow. it wasnt meant to take those speeds and you might throw a conrod.

but im at a loss as to how your doing that :confused: i could understand misshifting 4-5 and hitting 3rd instead....but you actually gotta push it back across to get it from 3rd to 2nd :confused:

if your having that much trouble....stick to auto

spinning the driveshafts faster then the car is going is awesome ;) not so good for your tyres though ;)

[xclusive_eg8]

my D series is redlined daily when warmed up after like 20km good driving...and redlined from 3rd to 4th and then speed killed due to my exit that I take......redlining is fine in a HONDA as long as u maintain it fine, good fuel, good oil, warm her up..

[-Tom]

how is it possible for the drive shafts to dislodge themselves?????

i would have hope honda made the car safe enugh for people not to have to worry bout them just coming out.......regardless of the way its been driven.....

That was just my guess as to why a driveshaft spinning faster than the engine would be a bad thing. :s
Don't hold me to anything I say!

[quocies]

No actually I double from 3 into 4 now just to be safe. Took it to Hanny's for a check up said it was fine, mentioned I took it out of the rev range to 10,000, he said Honda's can handle that sorta stuff. He also reminded me that it's not a race car and to take it easy. Wise words from a wise man.

And as for sticking with auto. I've been driving manual for years! I don't know why I'm shifting like this. I can flat and double fine. Just wondering if it's the car or just me. Probably me.

[string]

Cars can't change gears by themself, of course it's you...

How do you "double" from 3rd to 4th???

[cheapdouchebag]

i think he means skipping a gear and going to 4th while holding the clutch in and placing the stick in 3rd and then shift into 4th.

i duno how you drive quocies, but i never EVER have to do that in a manual car. have u learnt manual the proper way?

i never ever have to do that. manual is simple, rev to 2-3k rpm, and shift into another gear. if u need to slow down, slow down to the required ammount and down shift to the gear that u are familiar and know the speed will drive smooth in.

if u drive manual as well as you say you do, you shouldnt be in the wrong, it should be your weird gearbox. but then again, your terms in refering to manual transmission driving, really unfamiliar terms.

[quocies]

Cars can't change gears by themself, of course it's you...

How do you "double" from 3rd to 4th???

You mean themselves. Of course they can! well string! I pop it in neutral before popping it into 4th. It's called double clutching because I'm clutching it twice! It can be used for upshifting as well as downshifting! Although in this situation I don't bother revving it because I just want to make sure I'm not mysteriously popping it into 2nd again! I do that sometimes. Silly me.

[quocies]

if u drive manual as well as you say you do, you shouldnt be in the wrong, it should be your weird gearbox. but then again, your terms in refering to manual transmission driving, really unfamiliar terms.

That's what I mean. Maybe it's the gearbox and not me. But then I'd just be making up excuses. Some one give me a hug for reassurance!

I thought the terms double clutching and flat shifting were common enough to just refer to them by their 'first' names. I was trying to be cool. :cool:

[Reloaded]

i dont see why you need to doouble clutch?

[ninzee]

lol reminds me of the fast and the furious " granny shifting not double clutching like you should" :)

btw imo double shifting is pointless unless ur trying to get into first at like 30kph

[cheapdouchebag]

lol reminds me of the fast and the furious " granny shifting not double clutching like you should" :)

btw imo double shifting is pointless unless ur trying to get into first at like 30kph

and bad for your car if ur not racing.

[geeang]

and bad for your car if ur not racing.

How is double shifting bad for you car? :confused:

[bennjamin]

and bad for your car if ur not racing.

so all trucks or larger vehicles are doing damage when doing it normally / not racing ?

please explain your comment.

[cheapdouchebag]

so all trucks or larger vehicles are doing damage when doing it normally / not racing ?

please explain your comment.
ive probably shot myself in the foot by saying that before as you guys are questioning my logic, but heres my explanation

i dont like the term double shift, i call it double clutching

well in my opinion double clutching or double gearing in a relatively new model car is not needed and puts the gearbox at risk of wear/tear if im correct. the driver (not refering to anyone that is) may feel fatigued, and double clutch exposes to shift gears unwantingly maybe at 4-5rpm making the gear engage at a unprefered rev, when the roar is not wanted most of us when not pulling it hardout rather be gentle n nice n shift at 2-3 haha. dont these newer cars come with syncro'd gearboxes anyway??

i suppose trucks/larger vehicles can probably afford to doubleclutch, their mainly used for business purposes including schoolbuses and what not, and the vehicles must be maintained at a certain benchmark to be seen as in good working condition, heck, if its your work places automobile and u dont like it, you would double clutch too wouldnt ya? making you keep from holding up the traffic yes/no?

theres hardly any need for double clutching, whats wrong with heel-toeing?
then again, if your going to do double clutching, like a race car, be ready to maintain it like a race car.

thanks, feedback/disputes on my view welcomes flame on boys

[knn]

pretty sure ever car manual has a little warning that says something like " do not race the engine"...forget that it's built to be driven, it's not built to be abused

[euromandeluxe]

well in my opinion double clutching or double gearing in a relatively new model car is not needed and puts the gearbox at risk of wear/tear if im correct.

theres hardly any need for double clutching, whats wrong with heel-toeing?
then again, if your going to do double clutching, like a race car, be ready to maintain it like a race car.


Even though double clutching been argued about 5 billion times before, this still surprises me.

Can you explain to me how a proper double clutch technique is going to increase wear/tear on the gearbox?

The only difference between double clutching and single clutch rev-matching is that the latter matches the rev-speed of the clutch plate and the flywheel, whereas the former will also rev-match the input shaft, which will decrease the workload of the synchros, decreasing their wear.

If you can't do it properly, however, you'll get clutch wear from blipping the throttle with the clutch pedal partially depressed, etc.

You're right though, I think its unnecessary to do all the time. I only double clutch from 3 --> 2 to save my 2nd gear synchro, which is usually the first to go. I sometimes even heel-toe double clutch to make myself feel like a maddog, lol.

Have I missed something? :p

[euromandeluxe]

i dont see why you need to doouble clutch?

^ this.

You're upshifting, the input shaft is going to slow while you move between gears anyway, putting it into neutral just makes it all more cumbersome and means you're going to make mistakes, as it seems you have been. Stick to normal upshifting OP :thumbsup:

[krogoth]

ive probably shot myself in the foot by saying that before as you guys are questioning my logic, but heres my explanation

i dont like the term double shift, i call it double clutching

well in my opinion double clutching or double gearing in a relatively new model car is not needed and puts the gearbox at risk of wear/tear if im correct. the driver (not refering to anyone that is) may feel fatigued, and double clutch exposes to shift gears unwantingly maybe at 4-5rpm making the gear engage at a unprefered rev, when the roar is not wanted most of us when not pulling it hardout rather be gentle n nice n shift at 2-3 haha. dont these newer cars come with syncro'd gearboxes anyway??

i suppose trucks/larger vehicles can probably afford to doubleclutch, their mainly used for business purposes including schoolbuses and what not, and the vehicles must be maintained at a certain benchmark to be seen as in good working condition, heck, if its your work places automobile and u dont like it, you would double clutch too wouldnt ya? making you keep from holding up the traffic yes/no?

theres hardly any need for double clutching, whats wrong with heel-toeing?
then again, if your going to do double clutching, like a race car, be ready to maintain it like a race car.

thanks, feedback/disputes on my view welcomes flame on boys

cars have had synchroed gearboxes for decades.....

mate i dont think you have any idea what the point of double clutching is.....first you mentioned it had something to do with synchros, which it does, then you go off ranting about other stuff that makes no sense

the whole point of double clutching is to diconnect the gearbox and the drive shaft and use the accelarator to bring the engine into the correct rev range before clutching in again and engaging the desired gear

this therefore significantly reduces the wear on your synchros, double clutching is great for extending the life of your synchros and is necessary if your synchros are damaged

heel-toe?????????????????? what do you mean by that?? you can use the heel toe action to rev match without double clutching while braking, this doesnt reduce the use or wear of your synchros, or you heel-toe while double clutching and breaking and thus reduce the wear on synchros, allows you to slow down and pull off a very smooth shift

sigh, you think people double clutch for fun?? most people that drive manual can hardly change gears smoothly, double clutching smoothly and well is an art form

''if your going to do double clutching, like a race car, be ready to maintain it like a race car.'' Id put that in my sig if i could...

[ninzee]

You're right though, I think its unnecessary to do all the time. I only double clutch from 3 --> 2 to save my 2nd gear synchro, which is usually the first to go. I sometimes even heel-toe double clutch to make myself feel like a maddog, lol.

Have I missed something? :p

is this when it crunches when u downshift into 2nd if so i think myn are gone how do u fix it? tym 4 a new box?

[Zilli]

double clutching or heel and toe rev matching is a good way to preserve synchromesh, IF you know how to do it properly... if you dont you could put strain on your clutch, engine mounts etc etc if you can get the revs to match correctly.

[cheapdouchebag]

cars have had synchroed gearboxes for decades.....

mate i dont think you have any idea what the point of double clutching is.....first you mentioned it had something to do with synchros, which it does, then you go off ranting about other stuff that makes no sense

the whole point of double clutching is to diconnect the gearbox and the drive shaft and use the accelarator to bring the engine into the correct rev range before clutching in again and engaging the desired gear

this therefore significantly reduces the wear on your synchros, double clutching is great for extending the life of your synchros and is necessary if your synchros are damaged

heel-toe?????????????????? what do you mean by that?? you can use the heel toe action to rev match without double clutching while braking, this doesnt reduce the use or wear of your synchros, or you heel-toe while double clutching and breaking and thus reduce the wear on synchros, allows you to slow down and pull off a very smooth shift

sigh, you think people double clutch for fun?? most people that drive manual can hardly change gears smoothly, double clutching smoothly and well is an art form

''if your going to do double clutching, like a race car, be ready to maintain it like a race car.'' Id put that in my sig if i could...

i know the point of double clutching, and im not saying its not for fun.
i was trying to say that perfecting double clutching is not easy, and will put the synchrodgearbox at risk.

haha.

i admit defeat. nothins stopin ya from putting that in ye sig for a good laugh.

[knn]

c
''if your going to do double clutching, like a race car, be ready to maintain it like a race car.'' Id put that in my sig if i could...

nuff said

[krogoth]

i agree with you about potential damage to the syncrhos if you dont know what your doing

sorry if i sound a bit annoyed

i drove manual for 3 years before starting to double clutch naturally,i felt wow this is pretty smooth

now i double clutch a fair bit,especially up shifting from 3rd to 2nd or 4th to 3rd

[cheapdouchebag]

haha no sweat, im an amateur anyway still learning being told whats right/wrong by the more experienced is great.

but yeah back to the topic.

OP, might be best if you stop ''double shifting''. bad habits can start if ur not careful.

my official two cents

[quocies]

I only "double shift" if I max out third and pop it into 4th, going thru neutral to avoid accidentally popping it into 2nd by accident. I don't see a problem with popping it into neutral before hand, it's just a way to align the stick before popping it into 4th.

That said it's not my normal way of driving. I'm only finding a solution to avoid maxing my revs past 9000 should I find myself in the same situation. After what happened I'm just reluctant to pop it straight into 4. This is only when I'm in 'racing' mode. If I take my time and shift normally there isn't a problem.

[euromandeluxe]

I think the thing most guys are confused about is how you could possibly miss a 3-->4 shift and end up hitting 2nd instead - it's just a vertical pull to go from 3 to 4!

[krogoth]

not only that, but som1 who knows definetley will confirm...

but i think there should be a mechanical lock out from going into the wrong gear when speed is too high

you should sense that the stick went into 2nd before ripping your foot off the clutch

[bennjamin]

you should never have to rev match/double clutch whatever when up shifting.

Only down shifting is it of any benefit to "rev match". But synchros , developed by porshce in the early 50's , overcame this issue and allows the seamless operation of a gearbox.

[knn]

double clutching is useless these days since most cars have synchros

but here...read a little about the history behind it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_clutch