Fake Pivot Raizins

[beeza]

A heads up.

Looks like the market is flooded with em',so check it out before U buy one!

They are a great product but the copy's are naturally shiet.

http://www.pivotracing.com/page/1174823

This is how the originals look/are:

http://pivotjp.com/product/flame-raizin-e.html

There's pics of copy's in the links above,how to spot differences etc.

But what U see in the originals link above is how they should look.

U guys can do the rest of the work.

Remember,dont settle for an inferior copy,get the real deal!

[beeza]

btw does anyone sell the real deal,the genuine ones on here?

I'm after the Mega Raizin,the purple one.

Cheers.

[Honda_CRX]

btw does anyone sell the real deal,the genuine ones on here?

I'm after the Mega Raizin,the purple one.

Cheers.

I wanna know too!

[evolution]

what I found is that the original VS-ME comes with 5 earthing cables of different lengths, fake ones come with 3 cables. The other differences can only be seen if u have a real one next to it. I'll post pics in the review thread.

[beeza]

The 'Mega raizin' the purple one,just has a + and - lead dosen't it?

It just hooks up to the battery.

[evolution]

yeap, like the blue raizin, the earthing cables are attached to the battery with and attachment the can connect 6 cables to it. One for the Raizin 5 for earthing

[beeza]

So it does then?

I thought it just had a + and - off the unit and that connects to the battery?

I have the blue one with the cables already..

[evolution]

Sorry dude miscommunication.

VS-M is just the Raizin
VS-ME is Razin with 5 earth cables and attachment.

You are correct the Raizin itself just have the + and - cables.

[beeza]

Ah gotcha,cheers for clearing that up mate!

[evolution]

As Promised

First question..... Is this real or fake?

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee128/rb1odc/IMG_2299.jpg


Lets start comparing... starting with the front of the box

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee128/rb1odc/IMG_2300.jpg

The one on the right is the real deal, left is fake. The difference - The Illustrated Raizin on the box cover is clearly visible

Back of box is the most obvious

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee128/rb1odc/IMG_2307.jpg

On the fake packaging(left) the print of the Raizin looks like it's glowing.

Basically print quality is a little worse than the original, but if you don't have a real box next to it then it is a bit hard to tell.

Now on to the product itself .....


Guess which is which


http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee128/rb1odc/IMG_2309.jpg


http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee128/rb1odc/IMG_2309_indicated.jpg
Main - tell tale signs
1) The "Mega" Word is thicker on the fake
2) The top of the LED display is smooth on the fake
3) The print of "15" on the 2 rear resistors is very faint, the real one is engraved in white
4) The word "condensor" on the super condensor is in normal font as opposed to being in bold on the real one
5) There are 2 of the blue things on the front of the fake and only one on the real.

I read that another way to tell is the K symbol on the condensors, unfortunately on the fake I got it also had the K. I am actually quite impressed with the copy as I would never had known if I had not had a real one to compare with.

So is this the genuine article?

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee128/rb1odc/IMG_2299.jpg

Nope.. it's the fake one

Hope this helps


Just for laughs... At least the seller is truthful
http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2007-01DxSaleI673212_AUCTION_-Pivot-Mega-Raizin-Voltage-Stabilizer-Replica-Change-Noise-into-Power.htm

[fat_85_civic]

paersonaly i think even the original is a complete waste of money. How does it improve power at all?

[androo]

Pretty impressive! Though, I wonder, how much of a difference there is in the actual usability/performance of the fake VS real - any input guys?

[beeza]

Awesome post,awesome.

What got me thinking was the install instructions,it said a bunch of nonsense but then it said 'Turn on the bonnet'

And I'm thinking a big ass Japanese company like Pivot would get thier engrish right,right?

LOL

[evolution]

paersonaly i think even the original is a complete waste of money. How does it improve power at all?

IMO, I don't think it improves power, more like reduce loss from electrical inteference. Hence if your car is already well wired which is like most moderen cars you would't feel any diff. Might help when you start playing with ICE that draws big power from your batteries.


Pretty impressive! Though, I wonder, how much of a difference there is in the actual usability/performance of the fake VS real - any input guys?
I read once that it works just as well, but I'm not game enough to try...

[Honda_CRX]

Yep! awsome post evolution :thumbsup:

btw beeza ill pm ya round the 18th :)

[beeza]

Thanks mate! :)

Definately good to go then!!

[hisoka]

hi power sell genuine ones or your money back i beleive.

just make your own grounding kit, does same thing.

go to any auto electrcian and show them this. they will be like wtf.

if your car is grounded properly then why on earth would it need to be stabilized.

your alternator will just keep producing power if anything.

this is a trick. all it does is add more grounding points so you think the car is working better (which it is) but it can be done without spending money on the unit it self.

just get a large terminal from negative batter, get some thick grounding speaker wire. much funner to diy it aswell.

get a multimeter and set it for testing continuity then put one end of it on to negative of battery and other end to other places you want to ground better. if the multimeter beeps it means it can be grounded, then if the reading is high enough, you should ground it there.

keep doing it for about 5 or 6 wires, making sure to get the good shit like grounding your starter motor , your frame itself and your coil packs or ignitor box if you have it.

i had a fake one btw, then got a real one, but i only had the raizin model not the other extreme ones.

i got tricked into the gimmick LOL

[beeza]

Great info Hisoka!

But the Mega raizin is the goods,a lot of research over the years etc etc.A great Japanese company that produces great products.I got sweet FA money but if the mega raizin does half as much as the blue grounding raizin then I'll be happy,but I do believe it will do more.

[evolution]

Guys, just got a PM this morning from another fellow OzHonda forumer and the guy selling the fake stuff off e-bay is still at it and passing the fake stuff as genuine.

I have decided to list the seller's ID so that ppl know that this guy is confirmed selling fakes and pretending he didn't know about it.

The seller's ID is rickyshaw and this is his ebay profile page http://myworld.ebay.com.au/rickyshaw/

Please becareful when getting Raizins, there are alot of fakes running around

[hisoka]

lol for the record. every single part his selling there is fake, including the sard regulator lol.

i know the factory that specifically makes those, same place that makes fake brides.

[br3nny]

i was the dumbo who got sucked into another "its too good too be true deal" and i only read this thread after i got home and put it in the car

so to support evolutions claim heres some photos of the FAKE mega raizin from that seller

http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad86/nerbalicious/thek.jpg
The K's are copied

http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad86/nerbalicious/thefront.jpg
as reported by evolution
the word MEGA is more bold than the original
condenser is NOT in bold
the digital display viewed from the top is one unit not 3 separate ones


http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad86/nerbalicious/thedodgeywire.jpg
dodgey wiring came off when i went to pull the unit out

http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad86/nerbalicious/the15.jpg
the 15 on the fuses are there now but if you look close enough you can see as if they've been spray painted on and have overspray around the sides of the numbers

[TheSaint]

i think it depends intirely on the car ... alot of the newer cars are alot better grounded than the older ones

i found that the pivot kit didnt make much difference on my Dc2 VTI-R ... but on my EG8 it gave me cleaner start up and stronger ignition

whats the difference between the blue and the purple?

[hisoka]

lol wtf it broke straight out of the box.

you should test your grounds, then install this fake one and see if anything better happens.

it should still work lol

[br3nny]

lol wtf it broke straight out of the box.

you should test your grounds, then install this fake one and see if anything better happens.

it should still work lol

it broke as i was ripping the thing out of the car ! i didn't notice a difference when i installed it in the car....funny enough though the drive after taking it out felt better !!!
i've ordered a blue raizin instead from a more reputable source now so i'll see how that goes

[evolution]

br3nny - Saw your car in the flesh on Sunday in Northbridge after having yam cha. Your FN2R looks cool :thumbsup:

[jdm_b16a]

Just on a side note, talking about counterfeit and fake merchandise, there have been estimates of up to 40% of all CDs in genuine record stores are counterfeit. Are they that good? Well, no but you can only tell when comparing side to side, like the PIVOT products mentioned above.

The fakes are there because stores look for cheaper alternatives when purchasing stock.

An example would be the AC/DC CDs below:

http://i41.tinypic.com/xc8ahf.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/ifo55w.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/vfgnr6.jpg

As the purchaser of these CDs says:

"The discs are not cdr-s, they have been pressed, and the covers have very high quality printing, right down to the fold out booklets inside with the lyrics etc."

Quite often you look on the back of these CDs, and like the printing on the PIVOT products, there are small differences, usually down to slightly blurred small text. The counterfeiters get away with this because most CD buyers put the discrepancies down to cheaper production methods by the major labels, and the sound quality is usually pretty good.

A BILLBOARD magazine report (21/09/2002) shows there are 8 CD pressing plants in Pakistan, all unregulated, supposedly run by the Asian Mafia. They produce 150 million CDs each year that are distributed through India.

In Africa, reports suggest, there is not one country where counterfeit CDs are less than 25% of the total market, and in West Africa it is more like 85-90%. Remember, I'm talking about "counterfeit" here not pirate or bootleg CDs. "counterfeit" CDs are CDs made to look exactly like the original (as best as possible).

Just thought I'd throw this in as more and more products are being counterfeited, in large factories, and not just in China, although music publishers say up to 90% of all product comes from there.

Peter

PS. The three CDs above are all fakes.

[br3nny]

br3nny - Saw your car in the flesh on Sunday in Northbridge after having yam cha. Your FN2R looks cool :thumbsup:

hahaha cheers...didn't realise you were in perth !! from memory i parked quite far away too...so hard to get a spot in the good places now had to settle for something shitty because we were in a rush....i regret making that decision

[evolution]

hahaha cheers...didn't realise you were in perth !! from memory i parked quite far away too...so hard to get a spot in the good places now had to settle for something shitty because we were in a rush....i regret making that decision

We were eating at Tim Sum Cafe and saw you around central tafe. What happened
to make it shitty?

[br3nny]

We were eating at Tim Sum Cafe and saw you around central tafe. What happened
to make it shitty?

dragon palace was busy...dimsum cafe was wayyy too busy so we had to settle for 4 seasons....yea...lets say i'm not going there again...i would have rather waited longer instead

[tinymoon]

A heads up.

Looks like the market is flooded with em',so check it out before U buy one!

They are a great product but the copy's are naturally shiet.

http://www.pivotracing.com/page/1174823

This is how the originals look/are:

http://pivotjp.com/product/flame-raizin-e.html (/product/flame-raizin-e.html)

There's pics of copy's in the links above,how to spot differences etc.

But what U see in the originals link above is how they should look.

U guys can do the rest of the work.

Remember,dont settle for an inferior copy,get the real deal!


As i just bought the Spark Earth from the above link www.Pivotracing.com and finally dig up this theard about which one is fake or real. I was quite socked with your article about this so just try to google and email PIVOTjp.
Here is the outcome which i have found through pivotjp website.

If you go to the website http://pivotjp.com , click on the tab CONTACT link to Singapore Authorized Distributor website, it comes out with the result that http://www.pivotracing.com/ is the real distributor of PIVOT in Singapore from Pivot Jp. I am waiting for the reply from the PIVOT jp to see how.

[evolution]

www.pivotracing.com is genuine stuff. The company behind the site ,Mcwell International, is where I got my original from.

[tinymoon]

Just got email from PIVOT Jp, they comfirm that www.pivotracing.com is offering genuine products from McWell (Pivot official distributor in Singapore)

[br3nny]

i brought the blue raizin a couple of months ago and recieved it a little while ago (stock problems)

the quality is very very different !!!! everything down to the clamping of the wires

it was thru Mcwell so if anyone is thinking of getting one to go thru one of their 2 websites

[cheapdouchebag]

can i just stress how important if your planing to buy a pivot raizin that it is absolutley vitial its genuine? my friend had one and we jumpstarted the car with positive to positve and negavte to ground cable on the rocker cover, and his cig/cd stereo/clock just wouldnt work? we stressed so much and started checking the voltage of the clock and everything else which in turn just ****ed his vents because we did not see it was melted to a bracket? now his brackets are wobbly and im going to have to makeshift put it back in place with chewed bubble gum. absolute fail product the fake one was

HAS HAPPENED TWICE!

[beeza]

Great stuff mate,thanks for contributing!

[cheapdouchebag]

i forgot to mention.
his car had 3 fuses
one for each cig/radio/clock
all three were blown... >_>
lucky it was a stupid proton satira and their fusebox came with 4 spare fuses slotted into the lid of the fuse box and 3 of them being 10A fuses (thank jeebus)

[haku]

noooooooo just received a fake one today! >_<

[br3nny]

where did you buy it from ????

[haku]

eBay stupidly enough. Now to see if the seller will respond to giving my money back. =='

[beeza]

AARRRGGHHHH!!!

So frustrating.

Keep us informed.

There's a few guys on here that are good with knowing what U can do in this situation..if anything,best of luck mate!

[br3nny]

eBay stupidly enough. Now to see if the seller will respond to giving my money back. =='

can you let us know which seller you used also ... might help with people looking in the future

i'd suggest telling the seller you want a refund + here is the proof which you can get from the pivot website (not sure if you got the blue or purple one)
Blue: http://pivotjp.com/imitation/imitation-raizin-e.html
Purple: previous page to compare

send it back and make sure you keep you some form of "proof of shipping" (this is required as your responsibility if it gets far enough to show you actually did what you could to return the item)

if you don't get a response after 1-2 weeks launch a dispute with paypal/ebay to force them into the refund otherwise if you wait too long (45 days from the transaction) you won't be able to launch a complaint against the seller

with my experience with ricky something something as the seller...giving him the benefit of the doubt that he genuinely did not receive my return then it was about 2-3 weeks and he still didn't get it which i found strange...so i waited the 44days before launching the response with ebay/paypal and within 3 hours i got my claim back

[sxmachine]

Well for starters how much did u pay?? Btw most of the cheap stuff on eBay is fake anyways

[beeza]

Lovely.Now he's gotta here this.

[bennjamin]

Does a copy of something that does nothing , make it do something ?

[hondar]

hi guys, you can compare with the picture that i have. we sell the real one.

http://www.jdmconcept.com.au/jdm-image/product1266.png

[beeza]

Have U got the mega raizen Leo,cheers mate for the post.

[beeza]

Finially got a Mega Raizen - Best product!

Love it to bits.

Does everything it says it does,So Happy! :)

Has really made the car a bit more powerful and responsive,bloody Awesome.

[dfs88]

anyone can give me a link or place to get the original pivot raizins?

[Honda_CRX]

anyone can give me a link or place to get the original pivot raizins?


genuine product - anyone have in stock??

[EKVTIR-T]

Fake one works same as genuine ,no problems

[Honda_CRX]

Fake one works same as genuine ,no problems


Because www.alibaba.com sell the FAKE ones - bias much? Lmao

[EKVTIR-T]

Because www.alibaba.com (http://www.alibaba.com) sell the FAKE ones - bias much? Lmaoleave your stupid comments in your pocket

[Honda_CRX]

can i just stress how important if your planing to buy a pivot raizin that it is absolutley vitial its genuine? my friend had one and we jumpstarted the car with positive to positve and negavte to ground cable on the rocker cover, and his cig/cd stereo/clock just wouldnt work? we stressed so much and started checking the voltage of the clock and everything else which in turn just ****ed his vents because we did not see it was melted to a bracket? now his brackets are wobbly and im going to have to makeshift put it back in place with chewed bubble gum. absolute fail product the fake one was

HAS HAPPENED TWICE!

Old af thread.

The fake units have been known to cause under bonnet vehicle fires. Stick with genuine Raizin, the gains are minimal, but slightly more noticible on older vehicles due to weaker/degrading grounding points.

[Honda_CRX]

leave your stupid comments in your pocket

Go pedal your fake crap some where else princess.