Freak Motors

[patto14]

Freak Motors
Dose anyone think they exist??

as in a motor that just seems to alot better then others from factory
like most ppl think the breeze carby motors are just slow as ****
but mine seems to beat with 4AGE carollas and keep almost nose to nose with
SSS s15 pulsar (SR20DE)

just wondering what ppl think
or maby it just comes down to the drivers or something?

[96VTi-R]

hmm i think it comes down to the driver and what condition the motor is in i guess, like i beat my friends R32 GTS-t but then his car is not in the best condition and its auto..unless one of the previous owners of your car did some hektic internal work and just forgot to mention it lol

[patto14]

nah my car was babied its hole life i got it about 1 and a half years ago and it jsut went hard from day 1 lol and it had 213.000 on it when i got it and it has 234.000 on it now still gose hard keeps with SR20DE and 4AGE and stuff but dosent go like day 1 at all or maby ive just goten to used to it as the civic was a big step up from my old 88 lancer hahaa

[patto14]

ohh and the old owner of my car was a pretty big pot head hahaa and thourght he was doing like 200Km/h at like 40Km /h haaha lol

[EK1.6LCIV]

used to be a thing gm and ford guys always talked about in the usa when I was growing up, sooo many wanted to own the first few cars of a new model due to the machines used were brand new making the engines

seen a type x like that before, ran better than average times with only bolt on features, got an easy 20hp more than a twin of it, always had a hunch that due to it being one of the first run off the mill for 94' it had something to do with it

[rayb3na_]

its a myth lol

[wynode]

Maybe they're just Wednesday motors :)

But in this particular case....sounds like it is the driver

[aaronng]

nah my car was babied its hole life i got it about 1 and a half years ago and it jsut went hard from day 1 lol and it had 213.000 on it when i got it and it has 234.000 on it now still gose hard keeps with SR20DE and 4AGE and stuff but dosent go like day 1 at all or maby ive just goten to used to it as the civic was a big step up from my old 88 lancer hahaa
How can you say your car was babied its whole life when you only bought it when it already had 213,000km on it?

How hard an engine goes also depends on the sealing of the piston rings. If the engine was run hard from new, the sealing is better and you get more power. Seen that with the Accord Euros when dyno'd. A thrashed stock Euro can put out the same power as a babied Euro with intake and headers!

[WA-EG]

i've heard people talk about these. never regarding honda, but toyota and nissan. i know of a RB25 with stock botton end pushing out over 600hp. the guy was testing to see when it would blow. after a year and half and countless dyno runs and 1/4 mile attempts it had only dropped around 20hp. some USA guys with Mitsu GTOs talk about 800hp from standard bottom ends.

[CB7_OWNER]

I think the motor will definitely feel different , in terms of how it was maintained in its life. Brand new motor i think there all the same.

[patto14]

i no the guy who i got it off n he had it since new and he never gave it any the car was like new to drive still

and cheers mate thats saying im a good driver ahah :P or the other guys are just shit haha lol

[TheSaint]

hrm i think my D15b7 is like this ... its not fast at all ... but it runs harder/better than any other i have seen ... its done over 300k kms and still running like the day we bought it 5 years ago - its had 3 owners all country drivers with full honda service history ... iv always kept it running on honda FEO and the same caltex 95 fuel

i always thought it was strange that my Dc2 VTIR and EG Gli got the same fuel economy tho ... hrm ... only rough play my car has had was when my mum drove it ... going slow in high gears etc

[~Sp33~]

People who think they have freak engines because they thrash the shit out of it to make it go quick are retarded.

"my 1.3 carby breeze keeps X" is BS. What they actually mean is "My Breeze can sometimes keep up with traffic, and i'm proud of that".

Congratulations guys.

Ofcourse there's going to be engines in better condition over time than other engines, but i think 'freak' engines are when the power figures are larger than what's quoted from manufacture. It's all a crock of shit.

[dougie_504]

Hmmm, in CRXAustralia we have a bloke with a Gen2 CRX Si with the ZC motor that just really seems to hammer hard...with all-generic SRI, headers and exhaust. Keeps up with us B16A's.

And I'm not sure if my B16A has had internal work done (gonna find out soon) but with I/H/E (untuned) it's making easily 100-110kw ATW on the dyno.


So yes, I think freak motors do exist. If they're serviced very well and regularly it goes a long way too.

[~Sp33~]

Hmmm, in CRXAustralia we have a bloke with a Gen2 CRX Si with the ZC motor that just really seems to hammer hard...with all-generic SRI, headers and exhaust. Keeps up with us B16A's.

And I'm not sure if my B16A has had internal work done (gonna find out soon) but with I/H/E (untuned) it's making easily 100-110kw ATW on the dyno.


So yes, I think freak motors do exist. If they're serviced very well and regularly it goes a long way too.

What's so freakish about a well maintained engine? :/

It's not like Honda would have built some engines with larger bores, bigger cams....

[90LAN]

mite have a bigger carby on yours

[m.o.d.aus]

Why not? Who is to say that when producing the b18's and 16's, which you would presume where made along the same production line, that values/parts weren't mixed? or incorrect altogether?
If your a factory worker building these engines, and cbf to correct your mistake, or don't want to look like a fool, who says it couldn't be of some advantage to the user months or years later?
Very hypothecial i know, hence why they would be called 'freak motors', but ruling them out altogether is foolish, epecially concidering a factory as large as honda. Mistakes happen yes? why not to benefit the user?
My 2c :)

[~Sp33~]

Why not? Who is to say that when producing the b18's and 16's,

Oops, someone accidentally put a D13 piston head in a b18c.

I'm sure it happens all the time.

EDIT, forgot to close my sarcasm tags /sarcasm.

[m.o.d.aus]

Oops, someone accidentally put a D13 piston head in a b18c.

I'm sure it happens all the time.

EDIT, forgot to close my sarcasm tags /sarcasm.

Haha now that would be a freak motor :p

And dont think it happens all the time, considering they dont produce d or b serise anymore...

But keeping it in perspective, it is possible, you have to agree with that.

[bennjamin]

Hmmm, in CRXAustralia we have a bloke with a Gen2 CRX Si with the ZC motor that just really seems to hammer hard...with all-generic SRI, headers and exhaust. Keeps up with us B16A's.

And I'm not sure if my B16A has had internal work done (gonna find out soon) but with I/H/E (untuned) it's making easily 100-110kw ATW on the dyno.


So yes, I think freak motors do exist. If they're serviced very well and regularly it goes a long way too.

Just to top you off - 100-110kw ATW on a dyno is not the same as any other dyno out there. Same mods exactly the same , you can get drastically different output on other dynos. Ramp rate , tuner , software , GEAR used wheel size all varibles.
So , dont let a few dyno printouts at the same place make you think your motor is amazing ! I would bet , my old car with a dead standard b18c7 ( that got 116kw at one dyno here ) would get around 120-125kw on your same dyno.
A fair way to compare , is to compare to same / similar setups on the SAME dyno on the SAME day tune. That way you can truthfully say your car is XX more kws than say another with XX kws at the wheels.

Freak motors dont exist - motors in a design series/cast line are all made the same. Its the lifetime and history of a motor that can make or break it power wise. But the term " freak" is not correct. A few kws more than another can be expected but not LEAGUES ahead of others of the same cast.

[aaronng]

Why not? Who is to say that when producing the b18's and 16's, which you would presume where made along the same production line, that values/parts weren't mixed? or incorrect altogether?
If your a factory worker building these engines, and cbf to correct your mistake, or don't want to look like a fool, who says it couldn't be of some advantage to the user months or years later?
Very hypothecial i know, hence why they would be called 'freak motors', but ruling them out altogether is foolish, epecially concidering a factory as large as honda. Mistakes happen yes? why not to benefit the user?
My 2c :)
Won't happen. Japanese auto manufacturing subscribe to the Kaizen methodology and they would not be "cbf to correct your mistake". They are encouraged to stop the whole production line and investigate how the wrong valve got into the box of the correct valves so that it does not happen again in the future.

[dougie_504]

What's so freakish about a well maintained engine? :/

It's not like Honda would have built some engines with larger bores, bigger cams....


I didnt' say that makes a motor freakish. I said it goes a long way. Freak motors might exist, or maybe it's just a good I/H/E combo or whatever, but even you're not lame enough to suggest that every single engine produces the same power to the dot. There's always room for variance and I'll bet some engine's just produce larger power than others.

[dougie_504]

To put it in perspective my friend with a B18C7 with CAI and Neptune ECU made 84.9kw that day (with restrictive exhaust).

My other friend made 100.7kw on a B16A with I/H/E, Skunk2 retainers, valves, valve springs, stage 2 cams, adjustable cam gears, port job (untuned).

A third friend made 89kw with SRI and exhaust on his B16A (untuned).

And mine made 99.4kw with I/H/E (untuned).

These readings were all taken on the same dyno with an hour of one another. The mechanic said the dyno reads lower than most. I have the dyno printouts and videos to prove every point.

I'm not saying my motor is king shit the best ever. It's good. It made one nice figure, so I assume it's very healthy for all of it's 98,500 KMs since 1990 when it was made.


So before you get on your big power-trip horse and go riding around flaming people - maybe ask some questions and enquire into the circumstances of the dyno reading before you go and make an dickwad of yourself by repeating the same "dyno readings blah blah this and that" BS that every noob on this forum could recite in their drunken sleep.



Just to top you off - 100-110kw ATW on a dyno is not the same as any other dyno out there. Same mods exactly the same , you can get drastically different output on other dynos. Ramp rate , tuner , software , GEAR used wheel size all varibles.
So , dont let a few dyno printouts at the same place make you think your motor is amazing ! I would bet , my old car with a dead standard b18c7 ( that got 116kw at one dyno here ) would get around 120-125kw on your same dyno.
A fair way to compare , is to compare to same / similar setups on the SAME dyno on the SAME day tune. That way you can truthfully say your car is XX more kws than say another with XX kws at the wheels.

Freak motors dont exist - motors in a design series/cast line are all made the same. Its the lifetime and history of a motor that can make or break it power wise. But the term " freak" is not correct. A few kws more than another can be expected but not LEAGUES ahead of others of the same cast.

[~Sp33~]

To put it in perspective my friend with a B18C7 with CAI and Neptune ECU made 84.9kw that day (with restrictive exhaust).

My other friend made 100.7kw on a B16A with I/H/E, Skunk2 retainers, valves, valve springs, stage 2 cams, adjustable cam gears, port job (untuned).

A third friend made 89kw with SRI and exhaust on his B16A (untuned).

And mine made 99.4kw with I/H/E (untuned).

These readings were all taken on the same dyno with an hour of one another. The mechanic said the dyno reads lower than most. I have the dyno printouts and videos to prove every point.

I'm not saying my motor is king shit the best ever. It's good. It made one nice figure, so I assume it's very healthy for all of it's 98,500 KMs since 1990 when it was made.


So before you get on your big power-trip horse and go riding around flaming people - maybe ask some questions and enquire into the circumstances of the dyno reading before you go and make an dickwad of yourself by repeating the same "dyno readings blah blah this and that" BS that every noob on this forum could recite in their drunken sleep.

Right up there with the best of your posts :thumbsup: Also completely misses the point of what a freak motor is, but hey, since when have you ever addressed the point?


I didnt' say that makes a motor freakish. I said it goes a long way.

No it doesn't. Freak motors supposedly roll off the production line with one of a kind power figures.

[dougie_504]

Right up there with the best of your posts :thumbsup: Also completely misses the point of what a freak motor is, but hey, since when have you ever addressed the point?

My point in this particular post was to elaborate further on the circumstances of my dyno result and to provide some comparison with other engines. I address the point of the thread on most occasions, and there's no reason to be condescending.


Also I'd like to apologise to you and Ben for my previous two posts. I don't agree with the manner in which you both responded to my own posts but I didn't stop to think before I responded in turn and because of this I was unnecessarily aggressive and rude. Sorry for this.


Andy

[patto14]

some people on here get so worked and no not meaning you dougie, it was a question if they exist i wasnt saying mine i was i was simply saying that its still making good power for its age and its keeping with cars i would never or expected of the thing

[90LAN]

power to weight and old age motors
there will be alot of shit motors around because of their age now 200000kms plus

your eg breeze weighs around 900 and maybe less if you stripped it
where as the other cars are more heavier and have one of many non freak motors
or maybe you think they are racing you but in fact laughing at you and letting you beat them

so say if you get beaten by other cars
what do you say you still say you have a freak motor
or do you say what a shit motor ?

[v__]

lol. sellin my b18cr for one of these freak motors

[Mullensxxx]

yeh sign me up, what a useless thread, i think who ever started it shud start a 'dus santa really exist and the evidence to prove he dus' .... because really what has been solved from this? alot of maybe and what if's, in conclusion no they dont exist

[patto14]

hay lan if u could read u would see i said i didnt say mine was one i asked if they existed
this site is full or idot key board warriors seriously
the site comes in handy some times but 80% all u dicks to as try make ppl feel dumb
hope ya`s fell like a hero aye

[90LAN]

hay lan if u could read u would see i said i didnt say mine was one i asked if they existed
this site is full or idot key board warriors seriously
the site comes in handy some times but 80% all u dicks to as try make ppl feel dumb
hope ya`s fell like a hero aye


as in a motor that just seems to alot better then others from factory
like most ppl think the breeze carby motors are just slow as ****
but mine seems to beat with 4AGE carollas and keep almost nose to nose with
SSS s15 pulsar (SR20DE)

[v__]

lol. he just ate his own ass

[Mullensxxx]

Flawless victory!!!!

[~Sp33~]

this site is full or idot

LOL *thud*

[MM89]

or maby it just comes down to the drivers or something?

Maybe you're just a good driver.































If that makes you feel better.

[patto14]

lol it wasn't even my car that made me ask this question its was a mates lancer Cyborg Lancer that was free boosting to 40PSI and didnt break anything except turbo died next day its clearly not a stock motor tho its was pretty much wheel standing lol

[~Sp33~]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n58/sp3ed3/net%20pics/Football_to_face.gif

[RandyRhydah]

The freak engine in question
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs161.snc3/18842_258489540861_621700861_4887160_5761636_n.jpg


lol patto if you want to see if your car goes harder then any other carby civic go run faster then a 17 at willowbank...

[Temp3st]

Ok first off just to correct you Patto that Cyborg was only freeboosting to about 30psi and it has a semi worked bottom end with forged bits in it. Hence why it didnt blow up. And how do you call Lan an idiot haha have you ever read ANY of his posts? Look at the amount of egs n shit he's modified not to mention doing most of the work himself i'd say he has a fair idea of what he's talking about. Also the SSS S15 pulsar weighs a shitload, and if you're talking about the 4age im thinking about then there's no way you'd beat that in a fair run man sorry.

Keeping to the original post, there's no such thing as a freak motor. like Mullens said its like starting a where for art thou santa? thread.

[WA-EG]

theres a difference between freak motors and luck.
theres also a big difference between good quality manufacturing and luck. if you had a bunch of motors straight off the factory floor, 90% would probly put out damn close numbers and perform very similar. one or two might go higher but one or two might be lower. with todays production standards being so stringent very little scope for product error.

If motors are hand built ie: new GTR. Theres scope for difference. hence why power and performance numbers were given as rough guides.

[~Sp33~]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n58/sp3ed3/net%20pics/Untitled-1-1.jpg

"my breeze has a fair bit of poke for a carby"

[Temp3st]

Hahahahahaha

[bennjamin]

this has run its course.

Closed.