why would i bother doing a b18c swap onto my ek??

[anzai]

someone tell me why?

i drive an ek1 right now and i want more powerrr and a bit more luxury features..

i could do a b18c swap onto my ek1, but for the same amount of money i could sell my ek1, save up a bit more to buy like an ep3 or dc5, which already has the power, and some luxury features from factory.

i was thinking some turbo cars like rex and evo, but i wont be off my ps for the next 2.5 years.

so, can someone tell me why its better for me to do an engine swap onto my ek1??

:confused::confused:

[cymax]

how do you define save a bit more though. The best price you can sell for your EK1 might e 7000?
DC5 or EP3 cost you about 21-23k
You need to save up a lot more to get another 14k to buy ep3 or dc5.
engine conversion will usually cost you about 8k asking someone to do it for you. Doing it yourself will only cost you 6k i say?
So assuming that you are going to do it yourself, you'll be paying 13k for your EK1 with B18C

Simple maths i guess

[anzai]

i will be parting out a few quality aftermarket parts, and i forgot to mention ive only clocked 75000kms on the engine, so the car is pretty fresh.

so if i can pull off 10k all up, plus 8k for b18c thats 18k. and if i was to get my mate to import an ep3, he said probably yea around 20k to 22k.

so thats only 4k more, and i have electric windows, airbags, better interior, recaros, better brakes, the list goes on..

[act_gooner]

If you've got 18,000 why not get a Skyline or DC2r or something?

[SajadEG]

Most people that do conversions on this site, usually have a runabout... so they do it just for the fun of it. IMO you should sell up save and buy a newer better car, that way you don't have to waste time and money figuring out a conversion.

I agree with gooner there are some really good cars in that price range, best n/a car though for that price would be the DC2r

[MWAKU]

u wish 10k for ur EK1, ppl sellin dc2r for 15k.. ek1 even with those ks, wont be sold for 10k until ages. ur looking at best 8k for ur car.


EKs in sydney go for about 5k LOL

btw you'd only convert the engine if you love ur car, doesnt sound like u love the car

[anzai]

u wish 10k for ur EK1, ppl sellin dc2r for 15k.. ek1 even with those ks, wont be sold for 10k until ages. ur looking at best 8k for ur car.


EKs in sydney go for about 5k LOL

did i say i have some quality parts to part out as well? prob 7-8k for the car, then make up for the 10k with parts.

[MWAKU]

oh really? what u got, saw ur build thread, imo replica parts never add to the price of the car. but i dunno how it is in melb, but there are a few EK like urs going for 6k, but slighty higher Ks but still, when it come sto crunch time, they wish they will get 8k for a 10+ year old car. regardless of motor health, all suspension components, interior, things like that are old.

you will only get what the market is willing to pay

[anzai]

oh really? what u got, saw ur build thread, imo replica parts never add to the price of the car. but i dunno how it is in melb, but there are a few EK like urs going for 6k, but slighty higher Ks but still, when it come sto crunch time, they wish they will get 8k for a 10+ year old car. regardless of motor health, all suspension components, interior, things like that are old.

you will only get what the market is willing to pay

ah i see, that thread needs to be updated, now i got a few oem parts, oem ek9 wing, buddy club coilovers, new wheels, etc.

but nevertheless, i didnt start the thread to argue how much i can sell my car for, its more for the benefits/pros of an b18c implant compared to buying say an ep or dc5.

[MWAKU]

ofcourse newer car.

[anzai]

ofcourse newer car.

lol not a very helpful response there but thanks nevertheless.

[MikeyG]

well it is a helpful response... if you want more power then get a new car... if you love the look of your ek then engine swap... the reason why most people here do a swap is either to track their car OR get more power since their on your p's of some sort and cant go turbo..

[zco]

your ek is worth 5k. dc5 sell for about 17k, dc2r sell for about 12-15k depending on luck/condition.
save your money and buy a dc2r i say !

[EK1.6LCIV]

go for a drive in all of the cars when at all possible, find the complete package that suits your needs

my formula: (insurance cost, fuel, locally sold part avail, part prices, is there immaculate documentation, can I fit people in it when need be, how is trunk space, does it have cup holders, etc)

[MikeyG]

exactly... also the reason why some people do engine swaps is that they CAN afford lets say a dc5 or dc2r but the insurance would be very very high

[anzai]

exactly... also the reason why some people do engine swaps is that they CAN afford lets say a dc5 or dc2r but the insurance would be very very high

i didnt know that.. so insurance is cheaper for an ek with upgraded engine compared to say a factory dc2r?

it doesn't make sense though, because you have to declare modifications you've made on the car and obviously the engine would be the first thing on the list.

could you clarify?

thanks all, now these are all the sort of responses im after.

[EK1.6LCIV]

cheaper, Mike is right

as long as you dont cover or have too much on the car, stop at suspension, wheels and engine otherwise you'll be looking at justcar, and fk that shit (I just love how bigger companies operate better and are easier to deal with) lol

[immigymp]

I have a evo 5 for sale - its fast and luxury...

[EK1.6LCIV]

pics of luxury items in an evo? :)

[anzai]

omfg i think im gonna go ahead with a conversion....

i just love my ek too much to let it go for anything else..

[GSi_PSi]

is urs a cxi or gli?

[anzai]

is urs a cxi or gli?

cxi with some gli goodies

[EK1.6LCIV]

omfg i think im gonna go ahead with a conversion....

i just love my ek too much to let it go for anything else..

yes, and post pics :) been through the same a few times, even have a template for its sale (been tempted to go back to my old car a few times lol) but for the reliability it's just to easy too keep running

cxi, such a nice car, no troubles of abs, power windows, power mirrors (some cases no ac I've heard, yet never seen), just screams do a 5 stud swap, lol :)

[anzai]

i want power windows =\

at least one luxury feature that i want in a car that is

ill probably end up doing it when i decide to do a swap (most of people here would prolly be against it haha)

[hussLEr]

Your build will possibly end up somewhere in the 12-15k range; EK1 ~5k + B18CR front cut ~6k + your suspension that you've already got ~1k + possible brake upgrade ~1k if you go dc2r 5-lug +labour

Ek's are nice, but with the prices of some dc2r's around, I'd be more inclinde to buy a 'teg like many others have suggested. You'll have luxuary of a/c, power windows/mirrors, 5 lug, recaros, no sound deadening to remove etc.

Too many pros to ignore!

[yellows2k]

Yep, sold my ek with b18c7 for around $13k, lots of stuff with it as well, better off saving the extra and getting dc2r

[anzai]

WTF is this for real??

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=8333198&__sid=128FEC9A1DBA&__Qpb=true&Cr=6&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|0||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%201246%204294965322% 204294965105%204294921591%20903&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=22&silo=1011


isnt that like really cheap O.O

[hussLEr]

^^ DC5Rs are about that price nows, and prices will only ever go down.

[MikeyG]

yes its cheap... something must be up for that price... never seen that price for a dc5.. unless he needs urgent money..

but regarding your ek... as i was saying.. its cheap to do an engine swap aswell... most people dont tell their insurance i did a engine swap... but its your car dude dont let any1 tell me what not to do or what to do..

if i was in your position i would use the ek as a daily for now save the money and buy a nice car... even though im building a eg right now im doing it for the pleasure and i like doing it even though its a money pit :) just follow your heart and instincts...

but what ever you do always ALWAYS think of your cons first then pros and go from there.

[anzai]

but what ever you do always ALWAYS think of your cons first then pros and go from there.

cant be anymore true than this.

but ive narrowed it down to this: i want a bit more power than what i have currently which would last me until im off my Ps, as i will probably buy a turbocharged car once i am.

and i still want that unique factor, and considering theres only a handful of b18c eks around, a swap would be the option to go with?

[MikeyG]

it could be.. also you can always turbo your car down the track aswell..

you do b18cr swap... daily it untill your off your p's which would be 1-2 yrs.. in that time you can save 3-5k and get a very decent turbo kit

eg, AFI, BRW, FullRace, Peakboost

[flipfire]

Low k's is pretty good, if oyu got the logbooks but yea part out your car and sell it for 7-8k and buy an dc2r or save up more


WTF is this for real??

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=8333198&__sid=128FEC9A1DBA&__Qpb=true&Cr=6&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|0||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%201246%204294965322% 204294965105%204294921591%20903&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=22&silo=1011

isnt that like really cheap O.O

I thought DC5R's only came with that big ass wing

[anzai]

Low k's is pretty good, if oyu got the logbooks but yea part out your car and sell it for 7-8k and buy an dc2r or save up more



I thought DC5R's only came with that big ass wing

damn thats a good pickup.

i smell dodgy

[dougie_504]

Get a commodore. 'You're never late in a 3.8'

Nah seriously, I'd do the B18C conversion for the love of both my car and the soul/cult feeling of the B-series.

[02gzm]

i didnt know that.. so insurance is cheaper for an ek with upgraded engine compared to say a factory dc2r?

it doesn't make sense though, because you have to declare modifications you've made on the car and obviously the engine would be the first thing on the list.

could you clarify?

thanks all, now these are all the sort of responses im after.

Just back to this for a sec. The reason insurance is cheaper is most insurance companies will insure the car for market value. So that means they'll only give you what the original car is worth. So in most cases it'll be only a few grand.
To get agreed value you either have to be with a really good insurance company (which will mean you need to be over 25), or you pay a bucketload in annual fees (where you'd probably pay the value of the car twice over before you get in an accident).

[BIGTYM]

Gonna have to agree here Igor. If you absolutely love your EK keep it and do egnine swap. Otherwise save you money sell up and buy something newer with a better powerplant
(DC2R, EP3 ect.)

[anzai]

Just back to this for a sec. The reason insurance is cheaper is most insurance companies will insure the car for market value. So that means they'll only give you what the original car is worth. So in most cases it'll be only a few grand.
To get agreed value you either have to be with a really good insurance company (which will mean you need to be over 25), or you pay a bucketload in annual fees (where you'd probably pay the value of the car twice over before you get in an accident).

so they wouldnt cover for the value of the engine?


Gonna have to agree here Igor. If you absolutely love your EK keep it and do egnine swap. Otherwise save you money sell up and buy something newer with a better powerplant
(DC2R, EP3 ect.)

chris you know how much i love my ek =P

[02gzm]

so they wouldnt cover for the value of the engine?


Not if it's insured for market value. Which places like Justcar will do. They tell you this when you get a quote.
Ask for agreed value and you'll have to show heaps of pictures of everything and have an assessor come out to take a look.

If it's someone like Shannons where you have to be over 25 and prove you're an enthusiast then they're a lot more lenient. You just explain to them what is done, what you'd like it insured for and they will work out the annual fee (providing all mods are legal and certified of course).

I got a quote through JustCar years ago and they wanted to insure my car for something like 3grand with a $600 excess. Asked for agreed value due to mods and after mountains of pictures and an assessor visit they wanted around $2k annually with a monster excess....
I'm with Shannons now. Agreed value, unlimited legal mods and much much cheaper.

[anzai]

well, technically the market value of an ek with a b18cr would be higher than the average value of a dead stock ek cxi, but i guess they wouldnt take this into account hay?

oh well, i need to save up before anything so we'll see what happens at the end of the year

thanks for the inputs guys

[02gzm]

market value is based on a stock car. Modifications are only included up to a certain value. Which is typically stuff all. Jump on www.redbook.com.au for a rough idea on market values. They really aren't very good.

That's why agreed value is much more appealing.

[Stig]

man if you are going to sell the ek for 5k pass it this way LOL

but yeah b18c the car, since you already have most of the mods ready, if you were going to get a dc5/ep3 you would have to start from scratch

[anzai]

man if you are going to sell the ek for 5k pass it this way LOL

but yeah b18c the car, since you already have most of the mods ready, if you were going to get a dc5/ep3 you would have to start from scratch

5k u wish lol

actually, ill trade my ek for ur car + 10 cartons of migoreng your way. deal?

[Stig]

throw in some kings springs for special price?

[anzai]

throw in some kings springs for special price?

as a matter of fact i will. i have a set of my old superlows. serious. since we're both asian and all

[chauster]

anzai!

I'll swap you for dc2r for your ek1 with 5k on top.

dc2r has full mugen exhaust, injen CF bonnet, 190k though =[


PM me if interested we can neg.

[anzai]

anzai!

I'll swap you for dc2r for your ek1 with 5k on top.

dc2r has full mugen exhaust, injen CF bonnet, 190k though =[


PM me if interested we can neg.

hey chau.. why you're selling it already? you just got it lol

[chauster]

Its been 6 months! Almost 7. Need a change Lol.

Just started doing my apprenticeship so i cant afford it =[
Need to daily it... like EK or eg... rather ek lol

[BIGTYM]

Chau didn't even know you had a DC2R, I knew you had sold you Sedan to Mr Willz, And now you want to sell?? PM me pics of you car and selling price... Is there a for sale thread on here?

[chauster]

Yeah thread is on forums.

had it for 6 months. lol got an apprentiseship so cant really afford it. Need cash on the side. HOLIDAY BABY!