Tracking with a Carby

[quangsuke]

Looking forward to my first track day coming up with my EG 1.3 Carby.

Alot of people giving mixed opinions that engine will die car wont make it.


honestly im not there to be competitive just to have a good time as ive been working on my cars handling.

so fellow track people let me know what you think.
should i be worried?

[vampzzz]

do it. if it blows, just an excuse to go FI

[Riced_Civic]

nothing wrong with carby, think about when there was no efi back in the day

[m0nty ITR]

Fuel starvation will be the biggest issue, if any. Just get out there and have fun, but most of all be safe. No car will work if you put it into a wall. :)

[Riced_Civic]

u should be able to fix that if u make the car run a bit richer isnt it????

[quangsuke]

thanks for all the feedback. guess that makes my decision of tracking in november. =D
i will look into fuel starvation and see what i can do about it.
should i be worried about oil temps?

[anjin]

Oil temps- depends partly on the temperature on the day and how long you stay out for. If you do 6 to 8 laps at a time you would be safe. Do use good oil, and if its brownish after the track day replace it. Before you ask, I use GTX3 in what is a stock block. On a hot summer day going hard, 6 laps is about right. The oil temperature starts dropping as soon as I take the speed of as well, so you can do say 6 laps, do a cool down lap, and go again for another couple of laps. Traffic permitting, of course.

Get out and drive, walk around looking, admiring and asking questions and get engaged with the others.
Change the tire pressures etc as well and see what happens.
If you can, follow some cars around parts of the track you might have difficulty with and see where they go. And walk around and watch lines and braking points as well. It's all part of the day. And enjoy it!

[Riced_Civic]

thanks for all the feedback. guess that makes my decision of tracking in november. =D
i will look into fuel starvation and see what i can do about it.
should i be worried about oil temps?

which track day might this be im interested.

[quangsuke]

really appreciate that anjin. thanks alot.
this whole track day coming has made everything daunting for me LOL.
but yeah i just really want to get out there and do the best i can whilst trying to chase a few noobie mates coming aswell =D

[quangsuke]

which track day might this be im interested.

im not too sure what event it is, just know its on november 2nd.
my mate with the AE92 is the one who invited me. you might remember him, i think he was in your group last time.

[Riced_Civic]

ahh kk it might be the OTR track day, i think their having 1 in november if i recall, ill be testing out the new race car so ill be in a similar boat as u, 1st time out in a new car

[AE092]

Hey,

Yeh we part of the same convoy going to the Sneeze.inc track day when the 5-7 decided it was a good idea to drop by and look at your car. Bad luck man, hope you didn't get dealt with too harshly.

Anyway, Quang you'll be right. Just make sure you service the car and make sure the fluids are all topped up ect.

[-Tom]

Oil temps- depends partly on the temperature on the day and how long you stay out for. If you do 6 to 8 laps at a time you would be safe. Do use good oil, and if its brownish after the track day replace it. Before you ask, I use GTX3 in what is a stock block. On a hot summer day going hard, 6 laps is about right. The oil temperature starts dropping as soon as I take the speed of as well, so you can do say 6 laps, do a cool down lap, and go again for another couple of laps. Traffic permitting, of course.

Get out and drive, walk around looking, admiring and asking questions and get engaged with the others.
Change the tire pressures etc as well and see what happens.
If you can, follow some cars around parts of the track you might have difficulty with and see where they go. And walk around and watch lines and braking points as well. It's all part of the day. And enjoy it!

..This has made me want to go to a track day..SO BAD.

[quangsuke]

..This has made me want to go to a track day..SO BAD.

ive only been G'd up by my mate trung always telling me about all his stories. =D
its about having fun and doing YOUR best. its not a race (amongst friends it is).

[Riced_Civic]

Hey,

Yeh we part of the same convoy going to the Sneeze.inc track day when the 5-7 decided it was a good idea to drop by and look at your car. Bad luck man, hope you didn't get dealt with too harshly.

Anyway, Quang you'll be right. Just make sure you service the car and make sure the fluids are all topped up ect.


dont remind me of that, that was a PITA lucky nothing happened.

man i need to get back out there with ya c if my EK can keep up with u, now that my sedan has retired its track duties, ill be starting from scratch again.

[pablos8]

Go make us carbys proud!

[anjin]

I talk to a few guys who are new to the track, and remember my own first times. Daunting is right. But that's ok, a dose of apprehension is good for you. Everyone else there has been the same, and they understand. Couple of points.
If you see someone coming up and you have time keep over to one or the other side, in plenty of time. Don't do it late and suddenly.
If it's near a sequence of corners and you can't easily get out of the way, keep to your line and drive as you want to. They can wait, or will get around you.
Be predictable, in other words.
You can indicate to someone that you want them to pass on a particular side by Hand signals out the window. Ask what the local signals are.
If it starts getting crowded or overly willing, come in and wait for some to come in before going out again.
If you need to pass, do it on the straights, not the corners unless someone invites you through with the hand signal. Don't assume that they are staying wide in a corner and have seen you and you can go through.

If you lose it on a corner, try to go off straight rather than sideways. Sideways can lead to a roll. Straight is much better. Decide to go off straight early rather than be brave and tough it out. Wait to regain the track until there is space.
Someone spins off in front slow down and go carefully around. I have been known to take the escape road rather than try to go past someone who just had a moment in front.

Brake straight. Ask me why I say that!!

Don't worry too much about having the car tuned and kitted for the track. New fluids, good tyres with high pressures, no leaks, new or close to brake pads at the front (they wear like you won't believe). No loose stuff, take out the spare, etc. Just remember the car will be faster than you, even in street trim.

It's great fun.

[quangsuke]

thanks for that. gosh im so very excited for it. hopefully i can learn a few things off the guys that have gone already. =D looking forward to it.

[Riced_Civic]

Brake straight. Ask me why I say that!!


i dont in some corners????

[vyets]

Quang if you're going to OTR trackday most of the safty tips will be covered in the email beforehand and also on the day as well. Some trackdays don't really cover that stuff and people overtake like idiots around corners and stuff like that even worst... they don't let you pass when you cleary are faster but just can't overtake on the straight.

But you have the right mentality here man, just go and have fun that's the main thing some people get soo into it on the first day, they have semi's all these fkn mods n shit man you don't need it. First day is for one thing and one thing only, learning your car and learning the track. If my ghetto **** EG can survive yours will be fine broo hehehe. Good luck man, maybe I can try squeeze into this trackday as well.

[quangsuke]

I talk to a few guys who are new to the track, and remember my own first times. Daunting is right. But that's ok, a dose of apprehension is good for you. Everyone else there has been the same, and they understand. Couple of points.
If you see someone coming up and you have time keep over to one or the other side, in plenty of time. Don't do it late and suddenly.
If it's near a sequence of corners and you can't easily get out of the way, keep to your line and drive as you want to. They can wait, or will get around you.
Be predictable, in other words.
You can indicate to someone that you want them to pass on a particular side by Hand signals out the window. Ask what the local signals are.
If it starts getting crowded or overly willing, come in and wait for some to come in before going out again.
If you need to pass, do it on the straights, not the corners unless someone invites you through with the hand signal. Don't assume that they are staying wide in a corner and have seen you and you can go through.

If you lose it on a corner, try to go off straight rather than sideways. Sideways can lead to a roll. Straight is much better. Decide to go off straight early rather than be brave and tough it out. Wait to regain the track until there is space.
Someone spins off in front slow down and go carefully around. I have been known to take the escape road rather than try to go past someone who just had a moment in front.

Brake straight. Ask me why I say that!!

Don't worry too much about having the car tuned and kitted for the track. New fluids, good tyres with high pressures, no leaks, new or close to brake pads at the front (they wear like you won't believe). No loose stuff, take out the spare, etc. Just remember the car will be faster than you, even in street trim.

It's great fun.

why brake straight?


Quang if you're going to OTR trackday most of the safty tips will be covered in the email beforehand and also on the day as well. Some trackdays don't really cover that stuff and people overtake like idiots around corners and stuff like that even worst... they don't let you pass when you cleary are faster but just can't overtake on the straight.

But you have the right mentality here man, just go and have fun that's the main thing some people get soo into it on the first day, they have semi's all these fkn mods n shit man you don't need it. First day is for one thing and one thing only, learning your car and learning the track. If my ghetto **** EG can survive yours will be fine broo hehehe. Good luck man, maybe I can try squeeze into this trackday as well.

thanks for that vyets =D really excited to see how i do. got any suggestions on good road tyres?

[vyets]

Anything will do really, as long as it's road worthy and decent amount of grip. I was running these shitass sumimoto's but still got a fkn awesome time. Because it's your first time you most likely wont make good use of new tyres, so it doesn't really matter as long as they have good tread and are road worthy not like my 50 year old tyres on my steelies which have cracks in em they should be fine :)

[quangsuke]

thanks again man. hope this helps the 'newbies' like me heading out to track day.
i will run with what i have and see how that pans out.

[vyets]

Who's organizing the trackday? As far as I know OTR don't have a track day listed this year, PM me.

[Riced_Civic]

OTR havent announced it yet but i spoke to johnny and he said they are having 1 in November, but dunno the actual date.

[evilsub]

OTR definitely aren't holding anymore track days this year.

[quangsuke]

let me know if i need anything else to be more prepared
Carby Track Check List:

Road worthy Road tyres with plenty of tread =D
Full car service.
ADR Approved Helmet
ADR 1kg+ Fire Extinguisher
Remove any loose interior. (Spare etc)
anything else?

Pm me if u have anything that might help me =D
thanks for the input so far guys.

[Riced_Civic]

OTR definitely aren't holding anymore track days this year.

really, he told me other wise?????

[vyets]

It depends on which trackday some require fire extinguisher some don't. Also helmet has to have Australian Standards sticker on.
Bring spare oil etc.. and Jerry can if you have one, When you get into town fill up a full tank.


Pretty sure Vu was speaking to Johnny yesterday.

[vampzzz]

also another form of bonnet latch because you have a carbon fibre one IIRC.

[anjin]

Why brake straight. Because if you are braking hard, as you should be, then you will be using most of the grip of your tires just in braking. If you try to turn as well, you overload the grip and one end or the other will slide, and off you go.
Even if you aren't braking hard at the time, it's still an excellent habit for when you have more experience or just decide to brake later and harder. Or have to brake hard because of other cars.
In my particular moment, I was trying to pick up a couple of skylines, and decided to brake very late and hard. They braked early, and I was rapidly coming into their rear. So I tried to angle to the inside. I was sideways at 140 kph, and stopped very quickly. Basically, the rears were very lightly loaded, locked up when I took the angle because I overloaded their grip, and away the rear went. There are ways I could have dealt with that if I had had more experience or a bit more time, but things happen very fast out there.
So I do all the heavy braking in a straight line, and do any trail braking after that main effort and just before the corner. Rather than trying something fancier in braking, I concentrate on trying to be in the right slot, at the right speed, and with the suspension setting up for the corner. Its quite difficult to do this every time for every corner, as conditions and tire grip change. Give me a a lot more practice so I can do that basic right line/right speed thing 95% of the time, then I can start doing more complicated things. For now, simpler driving, safer driving.