Gear Box - $7,000

[Adrian Euro]

Hi,

I have just been told that the problem is with my diff in my car. This together with a gear box will aparantly cost $7000.

Does this soud ridiculous to you???

Is there a cheaper alternative? This sounds just a tad expensive.

Opinions please?

[VTi_b0i]

LOL u getting the parts brand new through honda?
fcuk that, try wreckers, If not even here on ozhonda might help

[sodhi90]

thats price sounds about right. i know someone who also had to replace their gearbox. is urs 5 speed auto?

[Adrian Euro]

thats price sounds about right. i know someone who also had to replace their gearbox. is urs 5 speed auto?

Hey nah mine is 6 speed manual? How much did his cost? Did it fix the problem?

[sodhi90]

Well the person who i know had a 5 speed auto. which cost him around the 7k mark. you would think a manual box would be cheaper than $7000. i would try a wreckers. I know there is a 06 manua Wreck at Hondarec in Nerang south of Brisbane

[corb13]

if you need the details of the honda-wrec in nerang just pm me, i go there all the time hahah

[akina]

Yea try wreakers for second hand parts. Still probably around 4k mark tho.

[buddah51au]

$7K to overhaul a manual transmission is way too excessive. However the only way I would consider a 2nd hand G/Box would be if I was selling the car. Personally, if I was keeping the car I would shop around some independent Gearbox specialists for quotes. I would stay away from Honda Dealerships

[sodaz]

Personally i would go to the another workshop and get a second opinion before spending a cent. As the others have said, Honda dealerships are way too expensive for anything.

[djpro1]

you could pay 7K to buy a 2nd hand car lol.. so ur too late to sell ur car?

[minircc]

wow.. how did you guys ruin the gearboxes?

[Lochstar_69]

wouldnt it be cheaper to get a new motor and gearbox?? they sell on ebay pretty darn cheap for tsx's??

[xxb4xx]

I had my Subaru B4 Gearbox over-hauled with some of the hardest parts to find in the market (the first time I smashed it) for $1800... you're shopping in all the wrong places.

[tron07]

whats wrong with your manual gb? they are suppose to be super robust

[Neesmo31]

Yeah mate was is the exact problem with the gearbox? You might find its such a small fix to a problem. I have seen so many people take a 'rooted' gearbox to a shop and they straight away say its stuffed - fork out 5000.... It might be a $50 bearing or something similar. Whats going wrong with it.

[shmivic]

i think this might be the probelm he has

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?131434-Clutch-not-engaging-at-6500RPM&highlight=adrian+euro

[HunterZero]

Agreed that's a high price... There are a lot of individually replaceable parts in a manual gearbox, I can't think how you could stuff it so bad that you'd need to replace the whole gearbox at once unless the whole box and case has accident damage. Did they give you a reason why the gearbox isn't repairable? Were there metal particles all through the gearbox and diff that have stuffed them?

Sounds like you might be getting shafted, they're probably trying to sell you a gearbox and diff for $7k, and taking your existing ones to recondition and sell to some other poor sod.

Get a 2nd opinion if you can.

- HZ

[quangsuke]

use that 7k and get a k20 from dc5r and do a frank conversion =D
plus u get LSD

[WATAJK]

****ing just get the stupid thing rebuilt... why the **** would u go new...
rebuild it for 2500-3000....
Are u serious man.. can't believe no-one has mentioned that..
Rebuilding it would basically be making it new again and would be the same price as a second hand one...
As others have said, the beauty of manual gearboxes is that there are lots of individuals parts etc etc

Rebuild it dude. Same result in my eyes.
Cheers

^^ LOL @ above... i don't think he crazy enough though :P

[aaronng]

If it is just the diff, just replace it. I had my diff replaced with an LSD and if it is a workshop with experience working with Honda gearboxes, there shouldn't be a problem. Labour should be between 1500-2000. The stock open diff is cheap. Getting the gearbox off to access the clutch is already 3/4 of the way through to replacing the diff!

[sodhi90]

I have a 5 Speed auto and it has a noisy/whiney diff. kinda annoying sometimes. but its still functions perfectly.

[buddah51au]

As Adrian Euro said, the problem with his car is noisy differential bearings. At 196,000 kms this is quite possible, especially if the Gearbox has not had regular oil changes and / or he is an enthusiastic driver who launches his car hard or wheel spins occasionally as this places extra load on the Diff Bearings. (I would recommend a G/Box oil change every 40K regardless of how the car is driven).

If he intends to keep the car the best option would be to completely dismantle the G/Box & diff, check all bearings & syncro's due to the high kms, & replace whatever is required. I would guess around the $3000 for that through an independent G/Box specialist. On the other hand if he is not going to keep the car then a 2nd hand box could be a better option.

[thebob]

You can get 2nd hand Dc5r boxes for like $1600. That comes with LSD.

[buddah51au]

The trouble with buying any 2nd hand component is you don't know what condition it is in until it is fitted to the car & test driven. That's a lot of work down the drain if there is a problem. Been there, done that & it was the 4th second hand unit fitted until it was satisfactory - that is a lot of labour. Many times the first 2nd hand component fitted had a problem.

[Lochstar_69]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRANSMISSION-ACURA-TSX-2004-68-369-MILES-A-T-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20af97666eQQitemZ14038 4888430QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries#ht_6217wt_1167

[buddah51au]

Personally, I wouldn't touch a G/Box from a wreck like that. It has obviously come to a sudden stop which would put huge stesses on the shafts & gears, Possibly even distorted the alloy housing as it would have more than likely been at operating temperature, so the alloy would easily be distorted.

To give you an idea how easy it is for accident damage to cause gearbox damage just compare the amount of damage on the TSX you posted in comparison to this FD1 which was parked when hit by another car - The gearbox was damaged. A classic example of why you need to be very careful buying 2nd hand gearboxes.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo325/buddah51au/Civic/MeandCar024.jpg

[Adrian Euro]

Hi can any tell me exactly what a gear box does in technical terms apart from change the gears? And also what would be the symptoms of a non working gear box? For example could this faulty gear box lead in to the car being jerky when you lightly tap on the excelerator to the extent that you feel the car lags by 2 or 3 secs to register that oyu have tap the excelerator and everything the trys to catch up?

Also when changing the gear box would it be just as easy for the mechanic to also look into the clutch at the same time? Makeing sure the bite point etc are good?

Thanks

[aaronng]

For example could this faulty gear box lead in to the car being jerky when you lightly tap on the excelerator to the extent that you feel the car lags by 2 or 3 secs to register that oyu have tap the excelerator and everything the trys to catch up?
No, that is caused by the electronic throttle.



Also when changing the gear box would it be just as easy for the mechanic to also look into the clutch at the same time? Makeing sure the bite point etc are good?
Yes, the mechanic can access the clutch and flywheel when the gearbox is off.

[Neesmo31]

I agree with buddah, gbox out, dismantle, clean, inspect, replace, refit. I had a gearbox that was popping out of 3rd gear for some unknown reason, everyone saying different diagnosis. Ripped it out, full dismantle and a clean/inspect, was only the countershaft thrust bearing had failed, everything else was perfect, within spec. Back in the car with a couple of new bearings and fresh oil - < $400 total. Felt like new again.

[aaronng]

I agree with buddah, gbox out, dismantle, clean, inspect, replace, refit. I had a gearbox that was popping out of 3rd gear for some unknown reason, everyone saying different diagnosis. Ripped it out, full dismantle and a clean/inspect, was only the countershaft thrust bearing had failed, everything else was perfect, within spec. Back in the car with a couple of new bearings and fresh oil - < $400 total. Felt like new again.

Where did you get it done? $400 is not even enough to cover the labour costs for removing and reinstalling the gearbox!

[Neesmo31]

Myself mate, ripped the box out of the car, did all the work myself with my old man, as per the service manual, checked everything and reinstalled.

[Adrian Euro]

No, that is caused by the electronic throttle.


Yes, the mechanic can access the clutch and flywheel when the gearbox is off.

Hi Aaronng,

Can this be faulty at all?

[aaronng]

Myself mate, ripped the box out of the car, did all the work myself with my old man, as per the service manual, checked everything and reinstalled.

You have a hoist?! Can't imagine doing it with just jackstands.

[aaronng]

Hi Aaronng,

Can this be faulty at all?

The delay is not a fault. It is how Honda programmed it. Pisses off a lot of us owners though.

[Neesmo31]

Jackstand FTW mate. Im not rich enough to have a hoist. Also did the rear main on the missus car on the weekend.

2-3 seconds for the delay sounds a bit excessive though. Then again i have a auto and it surges around a bit.

[aaronng]

Jackstand FTW mate. Im not rich enough to have a hoist. Also did the rear main on the missus car on the weekend.

2-3 seconds for the delay sounds a bit excessive though. Then again i have a auto and it surges around a bit.

That's hardcore. Just to drop the subframe from the Euro takes more clearance than a jackstand can give!

With my manual, I have replicated a 1.5-2 second delay with the throttle. I do it by using 3/4 throttle, then quickly letting go and then stabbing in full throttle. The engine just seems to hesitate and lag before it starts to take off again. Could be the ECU trying to protect the engine from damage too. :p

[Neesmo31]

lol just to clarify aaronng, that was in an integra. Havnt tried on the euro and dont plan on doing anything like that either. I just pussycat my car around, probably worse than the previous old lady owner.

I dont think cars like this are designed to be fully thrashed vs a dc2r for example.

[aaronng]

lol just to clarify aaronng, that was in an integra. Havnt tried on the euro and dont plan on doing anything like that either. I just pussycat my car around, probably worse than the previous old lady owner.

I dont think cars like this are designed to be fully thrashed vs a dc2r for example.
Ahh, okok. The Euro is a pain, the way the parts are designed to go together, you'd think that they (Honda) don't recommend replacing any parts but rather just throw the old car out and buy a new one!

You can thrash it as long as you maintain it well enough. I see many non-thrashed ones having so many problems, while mine is still fine. Hehe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlBnevchfGg

[Neesmo31]

Thats the way the world is going though. In the future there will be no old cars. You will have to replace them just like the japs.

Anyway, to the original question, i think it will be a pain to do the box, but worth the money in your pocket at the end of the day.