K&N Pod Filter

[Alvis]

Hi guys,

I don't know too much about pod filters - do you need to oil the filter and buy one of those cleaning kits to go with it? Any info is great...

Thanks,

[xenonkuraz]

If you buy a K&N filter chances are it will come with the cleaning kit, however I would not use an oil-type filter if your car is equipped with an air flow meter (which I don't think yours does).

Either way, I'd recommend getting a dry-type pod filter, i.e. simota, 3a, apexi, etc.

Even just a cheap one from Supercheap will work fine.

If the filter is going to be exposed to radiant engine heat then I'd also recommend fabricating a custom heat shield for it (you'll find many DIY topics regarding this) but if you're willing to go one step further buy or make a cold air intake.

For more info on intakes see: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?42865-FAQ-Cold-air-short-ram-intakes

[DLO01]

You do need to oil the K&N's. Get the recharge kit.

[TheSaint]

cant say i have ever liked any of the K+N filters i have used

the best 2 filters i have had are the Fujita Super Flow and the Apexi Power Intake

[xenonkuraz]

The Fujita is a good filter! A bit pricey though but it looks sex! So does the Apexi.

[TheSaint]

they flow well, are a dry filter, are nice and quiet and sound great

they have also given the best throttle response and been the cleanest for longest out of all the pods i have tested

[Alvis]

Thanks for the info & recommendations fellas, that's great :p

[WA-EG]

from what i've used and seen. K&N are great for a slap on filter. (like mine). once you start looking at CAI's and SRI's the other brands mentioned above are better

i've just got normal k&n pod stuck on the end of factory intake pipe. gives nice induction noise when WOT but quiet when part throttle. i bought some filter oil with mine. $8 and will last forever.

[TheSaint]

i had the same on my Dc2 VTIR ... stock intake arm with apexi pod - the fujita pod was a little better ... but the k+n sucked balls on both my teg and civic ... it was loud in a bad way (not revvy just annoying blary) and sluggy with response

i tried generic, apexi, k+n and fujita on my civic and teg with stock intake arms ... than i upgraded the integra to full Fujita CAI and that was kik ass

the civic has a simota big tube (whale penis) intake on it now but i have a Fujita CAI Black Edition on its way so that i dont have heat soak

[Alvis]

i had the same on my Dc2 VTIR ... stock intake arm with apexi pod - the fujita pod was a little better ... but the k+n sucked balls on both my teg and civic ... it was loud in a bad way (not revvy just annoying blary) and sluggy with response

i tried generic, apexi, k+n and fujita on my civic and teg with stock intake arms ... than i upgraded the integra to full Fujita CAI and that was kik ass

the civic has a simota big tube (whale penis) intake on it now but i have a Fujita CAI Black Edition on its way so that i dont have heat soak

Wow... you sure have tried a lot of intakes!

Do you guys know how often you would have to clean and re-oil a K&N filter?

[xenonkuraz]

Sounds like you really want one :P I think monthly wouldn't hurt

[WA-EG]

Wow... you sure have tried a lot of intakes!

Do you guys know how often you would have to clean and re-oil a K&N filter?

he has way to much money. i think he sells drugs to feed his civic habit.

Umm according to the box when its dirty. Lol. but i do mine each service. So roughly 5k km's.

[Alvis]

he has way to much money. i think he sells drugs to feed his civic habit.

Umm according to the box when its dirty. Lol. but i do mine each service. So roughly 5k km's.

HAHA, yeh somethin's soundin' a little sus with all those intakes lol - ok cool, so basically every oil change. Got it.

Only reason i'm asking is because i'm thinking of getting a Mugen airbox. I know, i know, sounds cRaZy yeh - i'll probably get the shite hassled out of me that's why i didn't want to say it! But it's something i've always wanted and saved up for - never had any type of aftermarket intake (cough cough... The Saint lol), not even a panel filter lol, only good ole paper ones changed every 10-15k or so - in the 3 years i've wanted one; but i'll keep you guys posted on how i go with it.

I guess i just don't want to stick a pod on there and let it suck hot air, and don't want CAI - i know risk of hydrolock is small and they come with a bypass valve and they have good performance reviews etc etc; but wanted the pod enclosed in a box (guess I could have made my own), legal as well, but wanted it to look the part too. Plus, i figure resale value on a new one has got to be at least 70% yeh :p

Well, i'll wait for the barrage of criticism to come in lol!

[TheSaint]

diy might be the only way to go in your case ... simota do a mugen style intake for the BMW and SS inductions do one for the new FG falcon ... might be worth a look

my experience is over the course of 5 years ... i didnt go out and buy them all at once lol ... tooke me a while to save up for them .. and i had both the civic and the integra to play with for a while

i also had a few years down time (wheelchair) after a car accident that destroyed the integra and my legs =/

but i love to get my hands dirty and i love diy and reviews - i love helping ppl ... for me its about the hobby not the 'go fast' lol

[Alvis]

diy might be the only way to go in your case ... simota do a mugen style intake for the BMW and SS inductions do one for the new FG falcon ... might be worth a look

my experience is over the course of 5 years ... i didnt go out and buy them all at once lol ... tooke me a while to save up for them .. and i had both the civic and the integra to play with for a while

i also had a few years down time (wheelchair) after a car accident that destroyed the integra and my legs =/

but i love to get my hands dirty and i love diy and reviews - i love helping ppl ... for me its about the hobby not the 'go fast' lol

Thanks mate, and yes, I remember reading about the accident you had and the xrays you posted with those bad breaks, so it's nice to have people like you helping out others - makes a good community for everyone.

And ditto that - not everything is about horsepower and how fast you can go around the track - it's the enjoyment and sense of achievement in creating something that is yours and the pride you feel :)

[TheSaint]

cheers man =D

i think the only way to go is to design and engineer something yourself =/

again ... look up the simota intake for the BMW 3 series and the SS Induction kit for FG XR6 ... these are kinda what you are looking for...

http://www.ssinductions.com.au/fg6cylturbo.htm

[WA-EG]

cheers man =D

i think the only way to go is to design and engineer something yourself =/

again ... look up the simota intake for the BMW 3 series and the SS Induction kit for FG XR6 ... these are kinda what you are looking for...

i was searching one of the OzH traders websites the other day. if you dont want CAI the had solution. they were using the simota or j's racing whale penis' and had a prefab stainless box made up around it. not only prevented fair bit of heat soak, but also added that bling factor if thats your thing.

in saying that, your Mugen airbox would add like 20kw. cause it Mugen

[Alvis]

Thanks for the link Saint - I'll do a bit of investigating; but yes I would want to have a box around the filter - defect offence in NSW anyway...

HA, I wish the Mugen would make 20kw lol - I have heard the Mugen intake reduces the intake air temperature by 30% or 50 degrees (I think degrees, not sure if was US forum) - but appreciate all the advice and links and I will definitely keep you guys in the loop as to what I decide :)

[Mugen Civic]

I've had my SRI with a K&N pod setup for 3 years now and never had a problem. Cleaned it twice now in that period and i cleaned it when i see it dirty.

[TheSaint]

dry filters are better than oiled filters in every way

arnt oiled filters illegal in some states?

[Dc_II]

i was searching one of the OzH traders websites the other day. if you dont want CAI the had solution. they were using the simota or j's racing whale penis' and had a prefab stainless box made up around it. not only prevented fair bit of heat soak, but also added that bling factor if thats your thing.

in saying that, your Mugen airbox would add like 20kw. cause it Mugen

Any chance of letting us know who that trader was?

[WA-EG]

Any chance of letting us know who that trader was?

pretty sure it was Shift Performance or something like that. you can see their work if you go to their website. would be the way i would be heading if i wasn't getting rid of my car.

[Dc_II]

You are correct. Thanks mate

http://www.shiftperformance.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=120_122&products_id=931&products_name=Aluminium%20Air%20Filter%20Box%20-Honda%20Civic%20EG&category_name=Air%20Box

Wouldnt work for me I dont think... I have an EK... so I guess I can try fabricate my own

[Alvis]

You are correct. Thanks mate

http://www.shiftperformance.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=120_122&products_id=931&products_name=Aluminium%20Air%20Filter%20Box%20-Honda%20Civic%20EG&category_name=Air%20Box

Wouldnt work for me I dont think... I have an EK... so I guess I can try fabricate my own

Yeh, that doesn't look too bad actually :)

Or you could try something like this:

http://a.imageshack.us/img192/304/injehs3500p.jpg
By civica (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/civica) at 2010-08-10

http://www.andysautosport.com/honda/1996_2000_civic/performance/intakes/intake_accessories/injen/

[WA-EG]

You are correct. Thanks mate

http://www.shiftperformance.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=120_122&products_id=931&products_name=Aluminium%20Air%20Filter%20Box%20-Honda%20Civic%20EG&category_name=Air%20Box

Wouldnt work for me I dont think... I have an EK... so I guess I can try fabricate my own

i'm sure you could make up or get them to make up something the same. just has to shield you filter from engine bay.

[Alvis]

Yep. Whatever you do, make sure you cover it from heat else you will have negative gains as shown by this dyno chart below running an exposed filter vs stock:

BLUE = STANDARD. RED = EXPOSED FILTER

http://a.imageshack.us/img267/7382/abcd0007c.jpg
By civica (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/civica) at 2010-06-20

[mugen_ctr]

yeap, either get a enclosed pod filter, or stick to the oem panel filter, i chucked on the pod jus to see the difference, very noticeable down low, less torque... not good :S, the car may be louder and look better, but thats not worth sacrificing over torque.... will chuck back on the stock air box this weekend, unless you plan on buying proper named brand intake system, dont waste ur money on pod filters and metal pipes

Shields dont really do much btw, better off getting a full enclosed than a shield

[Alvis]

Agree. Don't change the intake arm to a metal one it's been tuned to work with the engine you have. And yes, if you can get a brand name in an enclosed airbox (Comptech, Mugen) it's better but you will almost always have a trade off with a loss in low end torque - but this would be your best option rather than having an exposed pod - pointless really.

Or design your own like this guy did:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?123536-ram-cold-air-intake-ghetto-spec-08-Accord-2.4&p=2786253#post2786253

[WA-EG]

yeap, either get a enclosed pod filter, or stick to the oem panel filter, i chucked on the pod jus to see the difference, very noticeable down low, less torque... not good :S, the car may be louder and look better, but thats not worth sacrificing over torque.... will chuck back on the stock air box this weekend, unless you plan on buying proper named brand intake system, dont waste ur money on pod filters and metal pipes

Shields dont really do much btw, better off getting a full enclosed than a shield

Funny thing, I changed pods on stock intake arm and instantly felt difference. Changed from no name filter to a K&N pod. I guess its the benefit of having the extra capacity of the B18 I don't really notice a lack in low down torque. Pulls from any revs in almost every gear. Noticed that the K&N pod was fair bit louder in induction noise but not intrusive into the cabin.

^^Shields stop direct radiated heat, but thats minimal. The problem is separating the intake from engine bay temperatures. Thats the benefit of a CAI or the box (Like the Shift Performance box, or a mugen air box).