Buddy Club N+ Setup/Installation

[Neesmo31]

Hey all just enquiring about some information regarding the installation of the N+ coilovers.

I have read on a TSX forum that the N+ are to be setup at 200mm front spring height and 240mm rear spring height. I backed off the spring retainers, then re-tightened them up to suit those dimensions. With the 200 and 240mm respectively they just seat nicely and are not loose, nor too tight in the hangars.

I will measure these more accurately prior to installation, and adjusted the lower assembly so each coilover was even, i think i went (from lowest point of spring locking nut to top locking nut of the lower assembly) 90mm front and 95mm rear. I will also do this more accurately before installation.

Sitting upright on the ground they sit perfectly even.

Now my main question is have i adjusted the springs correctly??????????? (i didnt tighten the shit outta them - just put a slight bit of pressure on them so they dont rattle in their hangars) ------------ and the height adjustment will be a trial and error process once on the ground.

I know about removing the rear seats for the rear nuts on the shock tower, and about preloading the suspension before tightening. Please see some pics below to see if i have started setting this up correctly.

Thanks all.

Front assembly - approximately 200mm spring height (firm in the hangars but not loose either)
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15099&d=1277963928

Front assembly - approximately 90mm between locknuts
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15101&d=1277963930

Rear assembly - approximately 240mm spring height (once again, firm in the hangars)
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15100&d=1277963929

Rear assembly - approximately 95mm between locknuts
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15098&d=1277963927

[corb13]

mate are these brand spanker or second hand, interested to see how much they cost you and how it all goes..... im no help with this stuff but hope all goes well and it looks lowwww!!!!!!!

[felixd]

guud job :)

[Neesmo31]

Thanks guys. Is this the correct setup though? Yeah mate brand spanners.

[felixd]

i say do not touch the spring loading when u bought it new the manufacture should have done it properly when they made.

[Neesmo31]

The fronts didnt change much at all (couple of mm) and the rears moved about 8-9mm to get the 200/240 measurement.

This was taken off their official website and i believe it it for the spring rates at that certain compression measurement - the captured measurement of the spring, and what rate it will be at that captured measurement.
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"Accord CL7 12/200 6/240 $1,699"

[Neesmo31]

Talked to AAI Motorsport, and basically what i have done is correct. The captive height of the springs should be 200mm front and 240mm rear.

I have already adjusted the height of the springs to those dimensions, and locked them into place with the locking ring.

I will take some chassis height dimensions prior to installation, so I can work out ride height in hopefully 1-2 steps, rather than trial and error.

If this all goes well i might write up an easy installation guide for people who would like to do this in the future.

[Neesmo31]

Done, will post pics and some information later. One thing straight up it is sooooo low atm... will have to raise the front up heaps.

[elitee]

Any pics ?

Would also been keen on a dyi guide !

[Neesmo31]

Yeah i would like to do one, i took heaps of photos for the front, but not much from the rear. Did get some though. At least (because i took heaps of dimensions) i can give a fairly accurate guide how to set the ride you you want straight off the bat. I love the look of the front but its too low. lol. I think it droped 60mm rear and about 80mm front. lol

[STTICH]

and how do u find the ride?

pics! =)

[Neesmo31]

Ride is brillaint, i am very very happy with the product, i think the build quality is excellent and the ride/handling is on par with that. I would recommend these to anyone who wants to lower their euro, or who wants better handling. Love them. I am going to set the ride hieght up a bit better this afternoon but here is a pic of the car straight off the bat.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15156&d=1278274622

[eurogo]

haha awsome!, soooooo slammed- love it!. I must invest in these and some camber arms shortly lol

[Neesmo31]

Lol, thanks man, too slammed though. Front is rediculously low. But i do give kudos for the N+ - excellent product. Adjustability is great as well.

[eurogo]

haha yea would be interesting turning haha. im still tossing up between the buddy club and tein super streets- tough decision. i like the idea of the electronic adjustment in the car though on the super streets, i have a combination of highway driving and adventurous spirited twistys on the way to work so i cant decide haha

[elitee]

Must get some self a pair.

Was the price difference much between HeelnToe and JDMYARD ?

Can't seem to find them on there website.

[Neesmo31]

Funnily enough no scrapage when in full lock at all. No inner guard rubbing at all either. I think thats because im still running stock tread, no big wheels here which helps.

Yeah that electronic adjustability would be good for your application, as the rear dampers have to be adjusted by pulling the rear side seats out (not a big job but a pain none the less) You could always just drill a tiny hole in the parcel tray so you can put the allen key in there to adjust them. For me its soft soft... well, 5 clicks off soft.

[Neesmo31]

Would people like me to do a full installation guide for these?? I will, just might take a bit of time though...

[elitee]

Would people like me to do a full installation guide for these?? I will, just might take a bit of time though...

Yes please would be very helpful, As i am in the process of purchasing them !

[Neesmo31]

Righto mate, i may just email you something before i post it up as i want it to be clear and concise when i write it. But ill let you know about ride height setup before you install them. Then i will do a full writeup with pics and whatnot.

[STTICH]

seems like u're a happy customer, good to know.

ride quality is good, are u finding it quite reasonably similar to stock? softer? firmer?

[Neesmo31]

Its hard to explain, its slightly stiffer than stock (i have the shocks on soft though) but its alot sharper. absorbs the bumps well, and it feels definutely better than standard. I would recommend them to anyone who is scared about having a racecar stiff ride - these are very comfy.

On another note i raised the front yesterday another 15mm each side, took about 1/2 hour to do total. So simple. Will let everything bed in properly and adjust the height to the nth degree sometime in the next couple of days if i can get away from work.

[eurogo]

yea thats my problem though, i want big ol' 20's haha or maybe just 19's n have it slammed haha. Im planning on getting the coilovers and have it at the manimum 10cm clearance, even though i'd prob get over it really quick with driveways etc haha. It probably doesnt help that i drive from sydney to canberra mondays n back again fridays haha. Oh well time will tell haha. My boss is right into the canberra rally and race scene and he can hook me up with a good deal on the teins but ill see how i go. If i got the coilovers i'd prob get a pro to set it up. Could do it myself but heaps of stuffing around n a day off work also :( haha

[Neesmo31]

Yeah thats half the fun though, plus its a good learning curve for you.

I just made sure the captured spring height was the same each side, made sure they meshed up with the measurements that buddyclub specified, made sure coilovers were tight, and now i am just fine tuning the ride height. And for 30min to totally adjust the front ride height (both sides) thats easy as. Rears are a bit different but still not too much mucking around.

[BRU51N]

top stuff mate :thumbsup:, should deck out the rear some more to even out the car

[Neesmo31]

cheers, i raised the front to bring up the rake from the front and it sits fairly square now. Will probably end up bringing up the front 5mm to really even it out and stop alot of scraping.

[Neesmo31]

I have just ordered a set of Pedders Camber arms (upper) for the rear. I thought about this and went for this rather than the lower arms. Should have them in by tommorow, all the ride heights sorted by the weekend, then will get a wheel alignement next week. Then i will be happy.

[Neesmo31]

Can anyone help - i know the rear end is not set up properly (camber and toe angle) but the handling feels...... how to put it, i mean its nice and smooth, handles well, but in a straight line over bumps the car tends to move around a bit on the road.

Could this be just due to a non setup rear????? - i made some more height adjustments in the front today - the height is just about plum now. I have the rears at 5 clicks, the fronts are at 6 clicks off soft.

I will put the rear camber kit and and get an alignment and see how it feels next week. Hope its all good.

[felixd]

I have just ordered a set of Pedders Camber arms (upper) for the rear. I thought about this and went for this rather than the lower arms. Should have them in by tommorow, all the ride heights sorted by the weekend, then will get a wheel alignement next week. Then i will be happy.

how much for that camber arm ?

[Neesmo31]

$210 for the arms, with ball joints. They said the toe will not be that far out as to need something like the ingalls kit, so ill get this today and see how we go. Have to make a final adjustment to height.

Is the tramlining because of the camber on the rear?

[eurogo]

ok so im a noob on this topic, whats the difference between upper and lower camber arms???

[Neesmo31]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15061&d=1277784389

The camber arm (on this pic) is the lower arm, and the upper is the very most top arm (labelled "not this")

[eurogo]

Ah ok sweet butttt what's the difference in value/benefits of getting an upper camber arm instead of a lower camber arm

[Neesmo31]

Same same really i beleive. They both control the anlge of the hub in conjunction with each other. Have one that is adjustable and you can alter hub angle.

[espionage85]

when i had a lexus is200, i swapped from 19s to stocks which i think were 17s, and after every bump the car felt like a boat.. took it for an allignment and all was back to normal.
tyre place said something about the wheel size change puts everything out, even when you raise and lower your car a little bit, everything needs to be re adjusted again..

[Neesmo31]

True to that, its hard to imagine just how much the slightest amount of angle in the tyre will effect the ride/handling.

I did however, this weekend, set the height pretty close. I have got the left to right height within 1.5-2mm so i will have one more go to try and narrow that down, then its off to pedders to get a full alignment with the new camber arms installed.

PS espionage your car looks tough from the profile pic.

[espionage85]

[QUOTE=PS espionage your car looks tough from the profile pic.[/QUOTE]

lol, i wish that was my car xD
mines still under construction

[Neesmo31]

Oh okay - well make it look like that! lol. Always loved the DA's, especially the sky blue toda racing one.