b16a and b16b?

[StrawberryFace]

Hey guy's i want to do an engine conversion on my EK but whats the difference between the 2 and what's the better?


cheers guy's.:thumbsup:

[meatball]

b16b has a 4.4fd lsd gearbox.
b16a has a 4.4fd also but optional lsd.

b16b has abit more power compared to the b16a.

[DC2-PWR]

b16b has a 4.4fd lsd gearbox.
b16a has a 4.4fd also but optional lsd.

b16b has abit more power compared to the b16a.

Thanks for the fast information mate.

[rascallyman]

b16b is definitely better as it come from ek9 civic type r.....check this link, its all there

http://asia.vtec.net/beystock/honda/civicr/

but you might as well go dc2 type r engine...b18c7(AUSDM) or b18cR(JDM spec) because b16b well be so rare in australia, so it will be expensive, unless you can get one really cheap.

[meatball]

b16b is definitely better as it come from ek9 civic type r.....check this link, its all there

http://asia.vtec.net/beystock/honda/civicr/

but you might as well go dc2 type r engine...b18c7(AUSDM) or b18cR(JDM spec) because b16b well be so rare in australia, so it will be expensive, unless you can get one really cheap.

yup! thats true. some b16b's ive seen goes for almost the same price as b18c7's but yeah, have a think about it aye :)

[dougie_504]

B16B is technically a de-stroked version of the B18C or something like that. Basically a B18C in 1.6L instead of 1.8L.

So, depending on your budget, go B16A or B18C.

[[[d a n n y]]]

b16b goes for as much as b18cr's

[StrawberryFace]

thanks boys and how much will it roughly cost for the engine, gearbox everything needed for the conversion not including labour my brothers a mechanic.

[eg5civic]

i got my b16b for 500 less than a b18cr

imo go b18cr unless you are restricted to 1.6L like i was due to P plate laws

[StrawberryFace]

soo how much did it all cost excluding labour? and yeh im a P plater but doesnt bother me ill go the 1.8l

[Tai]

Keep at least 7-8k for the swap.

10 to be safe as things never go according to plan.

[eg5civic]

5g fr the motor gb loom, ecu drive shafts ect

[dougie_504]

Yeah anywhere from $5,000-6,500 for motor with gearbox, loom, IM, TB etc. You'll need aftermarket engine mounts so that you can mount a B-series engine into your D-series engine bay ($400+ from Innovative or Hasport or something).

Call it $6,000min to $8,000max if your brother's doing labour.

[StrawberryFace]

fudge me dead that is a lot of money ay

[dougie_504]

What exactly were you expecting?

If your budget doesn't go near $6,000 you can probably get a full B16A conversion for $2,000-2,500. Get the mount you need like I mentioned earlier and with free labour it can be done for $2,500-$3,000. That's stock engine though, no bolt-on mods or anything.

Personally I love my B16A to death.

[[[d a n n y]]]

for the rareity B16B
for common sense B18c and have a bigger motor and power
or B16a and save 3-4K and use that on mods

[boy180]

];2794732']for the rareity B16B
for common sense B18c and have a bigger motor and power
or B16a and save 3-4K and use that on mods

i agree!!

but nowadays the b16a's are even harder to find ==", sydney auto, general japs, honbits, hontoys all have the audm b16a2 they dont even bother with the jap spec b16a's anymore.. wonder why..

[dougie_504]

JDM B16A is better I've heard. Strongest B-series motor they made according to my trusted Honda-freak mechanic.

[StrawberryFace]

yeh im leaning more to the b16a alot cheaper i guess couple of bolt on items will be good............. i hope!

[eg5civic]

who says you need aftermarket mounts.

i used oem dc2r mounts, mount fine in an EG

For an EK use EK4 mounts....

Also how is the b16a the best b series honda made, yes they are cheap, but alot are showing their age now, as many of them are alot older than a b16b/b18cr.... b16a's have been around since the early 90's

[boy180]

that is true =) but it doesnt hurt to recondition the motor and everything, feels like ur driving a brand new b series motor hahah, i cant say its by far the best b series motor built, they all have potential, just depends on how deep ur pockets are..

[eg5civic]

that is true =) but it doesnt hurt to recondition the motor and everything, feels like ur driving a brand new b series motor hahah, i cant say its by far the best b series motor built, they all have potential, just depends on how deep ur pockets are..

I guess in a way i was lucky, my motor is unopened, never burns any oil, never needs a top up, makes good power and has never missed a beat.

[dougie_504]

who says you need aftermarket mounts.

i used oem dc2r mounts, mount fine in an EG

For an EK use EK4 mounts....

Also how is the b16a the best b series honda made, yes they are cheap, but alot are showing their age now, as many of them are alot older than a b16b/b18cr.... b16a's have been around since the early 90's

How much are a set of OEM DC2R or EK4 mounts? Because I know you can get aftermarket ones that are $400. I have no idea about DC and EK, but if you can get OEM EF8 mounts they're close to $1g. Eek! Pity I need FOUR lol

As for the B16A I think I made it quite clear - I've heard it's the strongest of the B-series produced from somebody whose opinion I respect a lot due to his long experience with this motor family.
As for engines showing their age, that's purely due to treatment and maintenance. My JDM B16A is 20 years old this year. Compression about 95% of brand new readings and it's making 99.4kw ATW with CAI, header and axle-back (dyno day with several other friends, compared strongly to other motors so please no comments about how dyno readings can vary and don't get excited about one reading etc).

B16A is a good option, it's a great engine when driven properly and will give you a lot of fun compared to a D-series.

[boy180]

As for the B16A I think I made it quite clear - I've heard it's the strongest of the B-series produced from somebody whose opinion I respect a lot due to his long experience with this motor family.
As for engines showing their age, that's purely due to treatment and maintenance. My JDM B16A is 20 years old this year. Compression about 95% of brand new readings and it's making 99.4kw ATW with CAI, header and axle-back (dyno day with several other friends, compared strongly to other motors so please no comments about how dyno readings can vary and don't get excited about one reading etc).

B16A is a good option, it's a great engine when driven properly and will give you a lot of fun compared to a D-series.

+1, im going dwn the same path, just trying to source out the motor hahha =) whatta pain

[90LAN]

the jdm 98 spec b18cr is the best b series ever made from honda
tell your mechanic that

i know a ek9 b16b front cut that sold for 5k

that owner hasnt had any problems

[dougie_504]

the jdm 98 spec b18cr is the best b series ever made from honda
tell your mechanic that

i know a ek9 b16b front cut that sold for 5k

that owner hasnt had any problems


It's Andy Le, JonSton's brother. JDM B18C is his favorite engine but in his opinion the JDM B16A was the strongest B (not for power).

Do you have any reason for stating such a closed opinion or do you just enjoy talking in 'decree'? Maybe you should tell him if you're so undoubtedly sure.

[90LAN]

whats his meaning of strongest ?

i tell it how it is

[GSi_PSi]

ive found most b16a burn oil and puff smoke on vtec.. besides isnt the Type-R series hand built from factory

[meatball]

i heard the b16b and the b18cr uses the same block.. just different specs internally?