Need help with b16a & b18

[deejay]

hey guys im just abit lost and i wanted too put a b16a or a b18 type r and just like too know whats the differcent about all these engine ? and which one should i get ?

Contents [hide]
1 B16
1.1 JDM B16A (First Generation)
1.2 JDM B16A (Second Generation)
1.3 B16B (Type R)
1.4 B16A1
1.5 B16A2
1.6 B16A3
1.7 B16A4
1.8 B16A5
1.9 B16A6


3 B18
3.1 B18A
3.2 B18A1
3.3 B18B1
3.4 B18B4
3.5 JDM B18C
3.5.1 Highlights of B18C Spec R compared to standard B18C GSR
3.6 B18C1
3.7 B18C2
3.8 B18C3
3.9 B18C4
3.10 B18C5
3.11 B18C6
3.12 B18C7

[dougie_504]

Most common you'll find here are JDM B16A (cable gbox), B16A2 (hydro gbox), B18C2, B18C7 or JDM B18C. All those B18's are hydro gbox.

What is your budget?
What car do you want to put the engine into?

B16A/B18C2 can be done for like $3,500-4,000 +/-
B18C7 or JDM B18C can be done for like $6,500-7,500 +/-

B18's are more powerful. C7 and JDM B18C have better GBox gear ratios but most of these engines have good GBox's.


See HERE (http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=977.0) for better detail.


Enjoy!

[deejay]

thanks for the help
i have a eg5 and yea im thinking of putting the b18 in which b18 should i get ?
whats the dc2 type R called b18cr or b18c7?
or should i do a frank? half b18/b16?

[I.M.I]

b18c7 is aus delivered dc2r and b18cr is jap spec dc2r

[SEPSIR]

i would go for the B18
much more agrressive motor

toNy

[VT3C]

ohh man what a thread LOL.. sounds liek you need to do a LOT of learning before you do anything !! and perhaps a search :)

what is your budget ? cause THAT answer's this question for you..

out of the motor's listed above, IMO these are the 'best' options for swapping into an EG chassis:

1. JDM "B18C" (Type R) 98 Spec ~200PS ? around $6,000 (plus Labour)
2. JDM "B18C" (Type R) 96 spec ~190PS around $5,000 (plus labour)
3. AUS "B18C7" (Type R) ~190PS around $5,000 (plus Labour)
4. JDM B16A (2nd Gen) 92-95 spec ~170PS around $2,500 (plus Labour)
5. JDM B18C (SiR-G) 93-99 spec ~180PS around $4,000 (plus Labour)
6. AUS B18C2 (VTiR) 93-98 spec ~170PS around $3,000 (plus Labour)
7. AUS B16A2/3 (EK4 or Del Sol) ~160PS around $2500 )plus Labour)
8. AUS B18B (GSi) 93-99spec ~170PS ? cheap cheap cheap but NO VTEC (under-rated motor that can be easilly transformed by the addition of a B16 head)
9. AUS B20B/Z (CRV) ~165 PS ? but LOADS of torque.. NO VTEC (base for B20VTEC) add in a short ratio Type R or Civic Gearbox..

and FYI JDM B16A (Gen1) and B18A's are CABLE not HYDRO boxes.. and too old to swap into your chosen chassis and remain legal - the motor being swapped in must be at least the same year as the chassis or younger !!

[meatball]

^ the list is above. set yourself a budget first! thats the main thing. no point saying you want this and that yet having no mollah.

[dougie_504]

thanks for the help
i have a eg5 and yea im thinking of putting the b18 in which b18 should i get ?
whats the dc2 type R called b18cr or b18c7?
or should i do a frank? half b18/b16?


You clearly didn't read the web page that I posted up for you, which has details on all of the engines you're inquiring about. Nor did you tell us what your budget is.

If you want B18 and can afford any budget then get a B18C (JDM DC2R) or B18C7 (AUDM DC2R).

If you're doing a frank get a B16A head and a B20 bottom. Probably same money as B18C conversion, but requires less $ for parts but more $ for labour.

[meatball]

You clearly didn't read the web page that I posted up for you, which has details on all of the engines you're inquiring about. Nor did you tell us what your budget is.

If you want B18 and can afford any budget then get a B18C (JDM DC2R) or B18C7 (AUDM DC2R).

If you're doing a frank get a B16A head and a B20 bottom. Probably same money as B18C conversion, but requires less $ for parts but more $ for labour.

well said. you have to set yourself a budget before you start thinking about conversions. money is the minds motivation!

[ninzee]

if your gunna get the b16a my advice would be to wait and save a little longer and buy the b18c7 there is a big difference and its worth the extra money i have a b16a in my civic and although its fun you get over the power very quickly and you will end up spending so much money on mods you could have gotten the b18c7 and as meatball's sig says Do it once, Do it right!!!!

[ninzee]

You clearly didn't read the web page that I posted up for you, which has details on all of the engines you're inquiring about. Nor did you tell us what your budget is.

If you want B18 and can afford any budget then get a B18C (JDM DC2R) or B18C7 (AUDM DC2R).

If you're doing a frank get a B16A head and a B20 bottom. Probably same money as B18C conversion, but requires less $ for parts but more $ for labour.

the problem with the b20v is that its very unrelyable, i was thinking about doing it untill i spoke to DrHonda who told me quite basically its a matter of when the engine goes not if, the block and head of the b20v dont match up exactly and this causes alot of problems, he told me to have a relyable b20v you would need to get a b18 bottom and bore it to a 2L, then it would be classified as relyable because the heads match up exactly

[meatball]

if your gunna get the b16a my advice would be to wait and save a little longer and buy the b18c7 there is a big difference and its worth the extra money i have a b16a in my civic and although its fun you get over the power very quickly and you will end up spending so much money on mods you could have gotten the b18c7 and as meatball's sig says Do it once, Do it right!!!!


OR if you want more power then the b16a and dont want to spend THAT much for a b18c7/b18cr then. go b18c2, cheaper and its kinda between the b16a and b18cr/7

[I.M.I]

if your gunna get the b16a my advice would be to wait and save a little longer and buy the b18c7 there is a big difference and its worth the extra money i have a b16a in my civic and although its fun you get over the power very quickly and you will end up spending so much money on mods you could have gotten the b18c7 and as meatball's sig says Do it once, Do it right!!!!

as he said, if you want power and got money got b18c7 or cr no use getting a b16 and putting heaps of money into it!! and use search tool these heaps of topics out like this

[dougie_504]

the problem with the b20v is that its very unrelyable, i was thinking about doing it untill i spoke to DrHonda who told me quite basically its a matter of when the engine goes not if, the block and head of the b20v dont match up exactly and this causes alot of problems, he told me to have a relyable b20v you would need to get a b18 bottom and bore it to a 2L, then it would be classified as relyable because the heads match up exactly


Interesting, have never heard this. I was under the impression that they line up fine on the ground that they're B-series engines and share a basic design.

[meatball]

i heard some machining is involved :S

[dougie_504]

Other than the usual surfacing so that the faces mate properly I didn't think so?

EDIT: I suppose this should be in the B20VTEC thread lol

[meatball]

i duno. couple of mates told me that., so yeah

[GSi_PSi]

what a load of crap, the block and head dont match up???? okay...

[ninzee]

OR if you want more power then the b16a and dont want to spend THAT much for a b18c7/b18cr then. go b18c2, cheaper and its kinda between the b16a and b18cr/7

yea or that if i remember correctly a guy on here done a build thread on his eg b18c2 and got some impressive numbers on the dyno something like 117-120 kw atw i think his name was Infernos or something like that

[ninzee]

what a load of crap, the block and head dont match up???? okay...

go ask DrHonda the holes or something dont match

[GSi_PSi]

lol i think he just cbf building an engine for you, he mainly deals with K series, so he probly just told you to upgrade k series

[ninzee]

lol i think he just cbf building an engine for you, he mainly deals with K series, so he probly just told you to upgrade k series

this was before he only did k series and he was in the process of building my m8s one and he was telling me why he didnt feel confident with the engines

[dougie_504]

I think if you build a B20VTEC properly it will be fine.

[GSi_PSi]

i second that , there are too many myths and rumours going round about B20VTECs

[JDM-EGG]

i second that , there are too many myths and rumours going round about B20VTECs

yes .. as u can see BYP builds b20 vtec all the time , and was also used as there track car .. was thrashed and everything still going strong = realiable if engine is built right :)

[dougie_504]

That's right. They're B20's did full seasons of racing with no breakdowns. He offered to sell me one, shoulda bought it :(

[deejay]

well budget is around 8-9ish k around that

[boy180]

with that money go for a b18c =) scout around, might find a member here that sells it <$5k =)

[deejay]

i got the b18c7 today for around 6.1k in and out i got about 3k left too spend what should i do next ? the engine getting put in next week, should i get coilover?

[boy180]

i rkn so =D, keep some aside, just incase something goes wrong.. not all conversions go 100% right =)

[pablos8]

coilovers ftw.

[dougie_504]

Coilovers, CAI, header, cat and cat-back. Easily done with $3g :D

[Chr1s]

You mean DynoDave built BYP's motor. He deserves credit for that.

[bennjamin]

yes .. as u can see BYP builds b20 vtec all the time , and was also used as there track car .. was thrashed and everything still going strong = realiable if engine is built right :)


Dude , BYP dont build engines - another party , Dyno Dave does it. He builds , tunes it etc. BYP just install it and run it. Good numbers tho !