What turbo should I go for?

[96VTi-R]

Hey, so Ive recently started piecing together a turbo kit for my 96 Integra VTiR and thanks to a member on here i got a few of the parts already, just need the turbo, ecu, waste gate and dump.

So I'm still trying to learn and research a lot as i don't know a lot about turbos, however I'm trying to find the right turbo for my goals, i would like to set the car up for circuit not drag so I'm not chasing huge power figures, i want some thing that spools quick and pulls through out the rev range.

To the questions:

- The Garrett T3/TO4E 57 Trim seems to come with most of the popular US kits like peakboost, spooling performance and full race would it be suited to my goals?
- Can you suggest a turbo for my goals?
- Are the goals i am after to do more with the tune than the actual turbo?

Goals:

- Quick Spool
- Around 200kw atw

Cheers, any help would be appreciated :wave:

[IEVAQ8]

wat are ur power goals???????
i would sujest gt3037s aka gt3076r..........if u want massive response get a 0.63 rear housing, if u want ti to be on boost at around 4500rpm get a 0.82 rear housing....

[96VTi-R]

crap for got to add that, looking at around 200 kw atw

[Limbo]

turbo is the heart of the system. All depends on what your power range is and how you want the car to react.

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Ok just saw your post of 200kw, your gonna need a T3 - GT3071 and up, and you will have to live with abit of lag

[96VTi-R]

Thanks for the feedback, I would like the car to spool quickly but retain boost through out the rev range, is GT28RS the turbo out of the JDM S15? I know a guy that's selling GT2871r for $1200, my friend has been in that car (SSS pulsar) and he said it came on to boost a bit late but hit really hard is that to do with the tune or the psi setting? because i would really like a much smoother powerband.

Just saw that you edited your post, i would rather live with smooth power of 170 - 180 kws than laggy 200kws

[96VTi-R]

Is there a GT28RS or GT2871r equivalent that is external gate and T3 flange

[Limbo]

spool up is mainly dependant on the turbo, turbo housing and the piping.
Manifold type also affects spool, short manifold makes power early, but does not make as good top power and can cause spiking at higher boost.
THe ram style ones spool abit later but have a smooth transition of boost and are more efficient, especially at high boost levels.

With the turbos
Smaller housing = less power faster spool
larger housing = more power later spool
The difference is dependant on the turbo.

The GT28RS - is not a factory garrett. Its an upgrade for alot of cars that use a GT28r. AKA disco potato.
I believe if you want the T3 flanged ones you just need to order them from GCG with the T3 flange.
Most people get the T28 flange cos their upgrading from one already.

with a a GT2871r and a .86 Rear, 10PSI comes on at about 4,500 RPM
With a 1.8ltr should come on a good 500rpm earlier if not sooner, but the setup will affect this marginally.

Also one thing you should be aware of. In smaller turbos, the turbo maxs out earlier, even though the turbo kicks in earlier.

For your setup if you want early power i'd got GT28RS with .86 rear. Max boost should come in at about 3,500 rpm and should hold boost all the way to 8krpm.

Depending on if you spend more money on the engine you can make more power again.
No-one can guarantee you a power range only a range. Alot of factors come into play when doing these custom builds

P.S read my build thread and some of the other build threads and it will give u an idea of what issues came about.
If you want to talk to me about something in particular happy to help out just PM me and i'll give u my number to discuss

[96VTi-R]

Thanks for all the info limbo very helpful.

I will be using a spooling performance tubular(mini Ram) manifold. (http://www.spoolinperformance.com/spfab-quick4ac-p-60.html)

The GT28RS seems like the way to go for my goals, Whats your thoughts on the T3\T04E turbo that comes with most of the honda kits? Does it only come with the kits because of the price??

[Scholzey]

the difference will be for the power lvl the gt series garrett turbos will come on boost earlier and have less lag.

its just journal bearing vs ball bearing i believe.

so, gt28rs will give an awesome power band.

my gt2871r t3 .63 came on full boost around 4500rpm on my b16a and gave me 315whp on pump fuel

[96VTi-R]

cheers for the info, what PSI are you running Scholzey?

I'm having trouble deciding between the 2 turbos the RS and 71r, i have read a lot of mixed reviews

I am leaning towards the RS as it seems to have a smoother power band, however some reviews i have read say that it lacks top end power and wont boost all the way to red line...still got a lot of research ahead of me lol

[CRXDEL501]

Ahhh you could have bought my 3076r haha. That's a nice spoolin manifold! ;)

[96VTi-R]

Ahhh you could have bought my 3076r haha. That's a nice spoolin manifold! ;)

Hey dude, lol yea mad manifold ay, so what made you go with the 3076r?

I'm thinking of going the GT28RS .63A/R T3, I've read that the response from this turbo is unbeatable and with the T3 housing it is capable of making decent numbers and pulling all the way to red line. I'm mainly after response and smooth power so this sounds ideal for my goals.

[Limbo]

T3/TD04E are a cheap and nasty hybrid.
Most of them are cheap china turbos which do not last.
Get something with a good rep behind it. Garrett make most of the turbos & you want a ballbearing on the track as it has better spooling.
If you have the cash HKS also make some good turbos that are garrett equivalents.

I beleive the GT28RS is called a HKS 2830 in HKS form.



Thanks for all the info limbo very helpful.

I will be using a spooling performance tubular(mini Ram) manifold. (http://www.spoolinperformance.com/spfab-quick4ac-p-60.html)

The GT28RS seems like the way to go for my goals, Whats your thoughts on the T3\T04E turbo that comes with most of the honda kits? Does it only come with the kits because of the price??

[96VTi-R]

thanks again for the info, but i was referring to the Garrett T3/TO4E 57 Trim (http://www.spoolinperformance.com/garrett-t3to4e-trim-p-30.html) are they similar to the one you were referring too?

I quite sold on the GT28RS I'm liking the response and torque curve of these turbos

So far the only places i have found the GT28RS with the option for .63 A/R and T3 Housing and Ex Gated are Turbo-Kits.com and SynapseTurbo.com both from the states and both around $1300 delivered which is quite good imo.

Any one know any places in QLD that might be able to do this turbo for around the same price as, i would much rather deal locally.

[Limbo]

not sure about QLD but GCG in sysndye sell them. They are quite expensive turbos, but u get what you pay for.

My understanding is the T3/4 setups are not as efficient turbos, not for a smaller setup anyway

[96VTi-R]

Just got a quote from GCG, they said $1800 for the turbo and thats not delivered, thinking of just buying from the states

[SLOWEGG]

Make it easier and just buy a kit from the states.

[mooshie]

Be careful you don't get slugged import duty and GST for items over $1000 when you order from overseas. Surely there is a local Garrett distributor in Qld?

[96VTi-R]

Make it easier and just buy a kit from the states.

Got most of the parts already man, just need turbo and wastegate for the kit to be complete

[96VTi-R]

Be careful you don't get slugged import duty and GST for items over $1000 when you order from overseas. Surely there is a local Garrett distributor in Qld?


yea tru, how much do they normaly charge for the GST, I'm sure that QLD places would charge the around the same as GCG would.

[IEVAQ8]

try dealing with garrett direct, they always do good prices.........(better than gcg)

[CRXDEL501]

I didn't get the import duty on the turbo from the states...

[AH_HUH]

have u considered the brand "precision" ? they are made in the usa and powertune australia would be the ppl to talk to. dont be suprised if the turbo equivelant to what u are looking for is under 1500.

www.powertune.com.au

btw: i will be using a 570hp billet Precision turbo on my b18c. i have tried using a gt3040 on a b18c a few years back resulting in 220kw@wheels on stock motor and 98 pump fuel.

[96VTi-R]

Cheers for the Info, 220 on a gt3040 damn that would of been a fun ride lol I'm hoping that i will get around 180 - 200kw atws with the gt28rs. Ill definitely check out precision, but synapse in usa has the turbo i want with all the customizations like T3 and ex gate for 1300 au which is decent.

[Punisha00]

Just so your know import and gst is 10% each, so $1300 could quickly turn into $1560.... just be careful i have been burnt by our lovely customs and so has a few of my friends.

[96VTi-R]

Thanks for the heads up man, is there any way to get around it? Like tell the company I'm buying it from to put its worth under a certain amount and is a gift or something like that?

[DLO01]

Yes, but a turbo thats say 2.2k to buy here will cost you say 1.3k + Au import fees, from the us. Your still better off.

[96VTi-R]

Yea true Dean, even if it does turn in to $1560 with the taxes, its still cheaper that GCG which quoted $1800 not inc postage.

[Lukezen27]

Cheers for the Info, 220 on a gt3040 damn that would of been a fun ride lol I'm hoping that i will get around 180 - 200kw atws with the gt28rs. Ill definitely check out precision, but synapse in usa has the turbo i want with all the customizations like T3 and ex gate for 1300 au which is decent.

Bit small if ya ask me

Just Jap's got em if you don't want'a deal with freight problems and taxs
http://justjap.com/store/product.php?productid=16687&cat=260&page=1

$1525

If ya ship from the US get them to put warranty return all over the box as warranty replacements are tax free

[96VTi-R]

The only problem with that is I need T3 and Ex gated so with those changes I'm guessing it will push the price up to maybe $1700??

Do you think the gt3040 is too small? are you into drag or circuit? Or have you tried your car on a circuit track? I'm into circuit so from my research the GT28rs seems the way to go.

[Lukezen27]

The only problem with that is I need T3 and Ex gated so with those changes I'm guessing it will push the price up to maybe $1700??

Do you think the gt3040 is too small? are you into drag or circuit? Or have you tried your car on a circuit track? I'm into circuit so from my research the GT28rs seems the way to go.

Not tracked her and I've just brought an EP3 witch I plan to track

Thing is, my Turbo is a tad small and its bigger than the disco... its all about heat and sizing

Upgrade ya cooling big time