Before I remove my power steering..

[beeza]

Is driving without p/s too heavy/hard in a sedan?

My car has been lightened as much as possible.

I mean most guys who delete p/s are driving hatches really...

I know everyone's definition of heavy will be different..

I just wanted some feedback from anyone with knowledge in this are,cheers.

I'm going to do the trick where U cut the 2 p/s lines,fill the hoses with p/s fluid and put a fuel filter on the end (I will do a DIY..)

:thumbsup:

[wynode]

Your car isn't much heavier than a hatch. It's not like you're driving a commodore or falcon so it shouldn't be too heavy!

[MR-VTEC]

when i removed mine i hated it. i put it back on. it was fine at speed but i just couldn't get used to it after having it for so long. It's not overly heavy but i just prefer the feel of assisted steering at slow speed, when reversing and parking. Only my personal opinion mind you.

whats your reason for removing it anyway? i know some reckon they do it for the power gain and others do it to tidy up the bay but there are also other options out there ;) i got a custom power steering setup i made. hidden and doesn't sap anywhere near as much power from the engine as it's not belt driven :)

[riruiz_88]

i like where this is going

[vampzzz]

when i removed mine i hated it. i put it back on. it was fine at speed but i just couldn't get used to it after having it for so long. It's not overly heavy but i just prefer the feel of assisted steering at slow speed, when reversing and parking. Only my personal opinion mind you.

whats your reason for removing it anyway? i know some reckon they do it for the power gain and others do it to tidy up the bay but there are also other options out there ;) i got a custom power steering setup i made. hidden and doesn't sap anywhere near as much power from the engine as it's not belt driven :)

detailed expanation please :D

[vinnY]

tucked electric pump? setup like this (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2222562) perhaps

[bennjamin]

why are you doing this beeza ?

Truly deeply why ? The looks ? Or because other friends are doing it or ?

Personally if its your daily i would not bother at all. I removed it for track whore ness. Feels great with a 1.8 and a LSD pulling it around tho.

[MR-VTEC]

tucked electric pump? setup like this (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2222562) perhaps

better than that. That MR2 pump is well outdated. Alot of the new european cars run electric pumps now, options are endless ;)

Best thing is, i wired it to a switch so i can have it on only when i want it on. I flick it off when i'm on the highway for example. I might get around to doing a write up one of these days :p

heres a shot of my bay, can you spot it? -

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4784216985_e14b85e709_b.jpg

[_CRX_]

cmon share a little info

[89lude]

you can get the power steering pumps from a astra new ones any new cars these days im in the middle of doing mine atm too will do right up when im done with it

[ks_87]

This seems very interesting! *subscribe

[Cvik_ryda]

better than that. That MR2 pump is well outdated. Alot of the new european cars run electric pumps now, options are endless ;)

Best thing is, i wired it to a switch so i can have it on only when i want it on. I flick it off when i'm on the highway for example. I might get around to doing a write up one of these days :p

heres a shot of my bay, can you spot it? -

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4784216985_e14b85e709_b.jpg

Wow thats a nice h22 set up man. So clean and neat. Is the pump right under the break booster?

[beeza]

I'm doing this because I have heard from many people steering feeling is 10x better.

I can feel the p/s pull either side at times,even through corners,the steering wheel pulls without me assisting it,it just pulls either left or right.

I want full control now,I am sick of that feeling.

I know I will miss it for tighter turning but I am sick of not having FULL control over the wheel and if it increases steering feeling,i.e U can feel the steering wheel - wheels - road connection much better,therefore U have more control.


U guys know what I'm talking about?

[vinnY]

pulls without you doing anything? maybe you need better tyres or a good wheel alignment brett ;)

[beeza]

No Vinny,an obvious example of this is,if I stop on the side of the road and prepare for a U turn,I turn the wheel a little to the right,it will pull left,U can feel the power steering just pull it the other way a bit.

I knew of this happening before but I only started to give it thought when Daniel (eg5civic) removed his and said steering felling is 10x better.(I have also heard/read the same from other's aswell).

It's not a problem,it's not dangerous or anything but it would be great if it didn't do that and I had 100% control of the wheel,just as long as it isn't too heavy.


I think what Wyn said earlier is a good to go on - It's no heavy ford or anything..

But damn,having p/s that U can control on and off with a switch,well,that's just the best of both worlds,like a tiptronic gearbox!

[beeza]

i got a custom power steering setup i made. hidden and doesn't sap anywhere near as much power from the engine as it's not belt driven :)

Absolutely 110% I request a DIY on this please Sir.That is just absolutely brilliant!!

I could come over and we can do a DIY on it for the crew? :)

[MR-VTEC]

lol. i got all the pics from when i was doing the little project. i'll try and do a write up the next time i'm not working on the car ;)

by the way, if your really serious about getting rid of your power steering your best bet is to get a manual rack, the gearing is different. From memory you've got an ek so this may not be an option for you. you do have a few less drastic options that you can use to help you decide before you remove anything -

test drive a mates car that has deleted power steering
remove the belt so your pump isn't running
get some mates together to push your car around while you steer with the engine off :)

that should help you decide lol, plus it's not that hard to put it back if you decide you don't like it, maybe an hours work at most

[string]

Take the belt off and go for a drive - that's exactly what it will feel like once you remove all the PS components.

Very heavy, but if I can handle it, anyone can. It converts your steering inputs from position control to force control. You know when you're giving too much steering, like a go-kart - very heavy until you're asking too much slip angle of the tyre where it goes light.

I did this a few years ago to an Integra. Hacksawed off the lines at the rack and just looped them to keep oil from dripping. Didn't bother filling up the rack.

Reverse parking sucks but you get used to it. You'll wear out the grips on your steering wheel and universal joint in your steering column faster.

[beeza]

lol. i got all the pics from when i was doing the little project. i'll try and do a write up the next time i'm not working on the car ;)

Damn.Oh well I hope it's easy to follow..I could do an easy to follow DIY with plenty of pics like my other DIY's..


Will removing the belt give me the same feeling as doing what I mentioned earlier:

"I'm going to do the trick where U cut the 2 p/s lines,fill the hoses with p/s fluid and put a fuel filter on the end"

I thought it's different?

[GSi_PSi]

had p/s removed for a while it was okay when your rolling but a pain when parking or stopped. my forearms started to get bigger from it

[riruiz_88]

im guessing it wouldnt be too bad if you only had it on a weekend car i.e. not a daily?

[MR-VTEC]

Will removing the belt give me the same feeling as doing what I mentioned earlier:

"I'm going to do the trick where U cut the 2 p/s lines,fill the hoses with p/s fluid and put a fuel filter on the end"

I thought it's different?

It's fairly similiar if not the same, some reckon by looping the line and running fluid in the rack it makes it better/ lighter but it's more for trying to prolong the life of the rack as it keeps everything lubricated. I ran it with a loop and it still felt crap but thats just my opinion remember. just remove the belt and see how you like it ;)

[zel05]

Will be looping mine...Good DIY link I am going to use when I come around to it. http://www.civicforums.com/forums/115-engine/223156-diy-removing-power-steering.html

[beeza]

Thanks zel!

Sorry i didn't answer before but yes my car is an EK so I cant do the manual rack.

So the custom set up you have makes it lighter/better/easier than running fluid into the rack trick?

Just removing the belt won't give me a true indication...so no point...

Thanks so much for your help.

[string]

Just removing the belt won't give me a true indication...so no point...


Removing all the components and emptying the fluid didn't change the feeling at all for me - just saved ~5kg. It'll take you a week or two to get used to the heaviness so give it a chance.

[beeza]

Thanks String.

[Mikecivic78]

It'll make it harder in shopping cart situations, that's 4 sure.

[MR-VTEC]

So the custom set up you have makes it lighter/better/easier than running fluid into the rack trick?

Just removing the belt won't give me a true indication...so no point...

Thanks so much for your help.

was that a question for me?

what makes you think it won't give a true indication? you want to know what it will be like without p/s. if you remove the belt, the pump no longer assists when steering = non p/s feel ;)

[beeza]

Yes it was mate :)

Doing the trick above makes it easier than just removing the belt I've learnt.

[beeza]

I drove a mates eg without p/s a couple of days ago.

Brilliant through the bends,the corners,feels excellent!

But to daily drive like that,in some tighter places that I drive,I can see myself getting sick of it and wanting p/s back.

I want MR-VTEC's setup.

[bennjamin]

was that a question for me?

what makes you think it won't give a true indication? you want to know what it will be like without p/s. if you remove the belt, the pump no longer assists when steering = non p/s feel ;)


Not correct as simply removing the belt gives you a much worse feeling and overall reduced turning ability as the rack will still be full of fluid but no way of displacing it as you turn left and right. It will essentially be hindered and
More than likely fail or leak or blow a seal somewhere.

So , to make a statement removing the belt is not indicative of how a proper vented ps pump removed rack would feel.
A properly vented looped rack with plenty of fluid and room to vent will run great and last as long as a normal ps pumped rack. I have been running a custom kit on my car and a dozen around Sydney for over 4 years and not one leak or issue. Builds your guns too .

[beeza]

Well,share FFS!

I wouldn't buy one MR-VTEC,I would end up trying to copy it and if I can't I wouldn't do it..

Put it this way $100 is more than I would spend on a 'kit'.

Why don't U guys just share your knowledge,what's the issue/problem?

Why not just share ya knowledge instead of trying to make a buck from it,JUST SHARE.

It's BS all this secrecy,makes me not want to be on here.

[beeza]

Power Trippin' to da MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beeza]

Well,I feel better after saying that.

So,yeah,sounds great,I would spend $10,000! on p/s!!!

Lets do it!

[na-118]

haha beeze your not the only one who thinks like that, no one tends to share mate everythings a secret, and make a buck out of it

[beeza]

Such is life,I'm no dummy,but as a team,Ozhonda FAILS big time at networking,the recieving and sharing of knowledge.

Cars ego,ego cars,they can't be seperated.

I guess I'm learning lots...Keep ya head up brett..

[stevo716]

its bit like that man
keep ur head up indeed

[beeza]

Hey,thanks Stevo,that made me feel better :)

Cheers guys.

[MR-VTEC]

Not correct as simply removing the belt gives you a much worse feeling and overall reduced turning ability as the rack will still be full of fluid but no way of displacing it as you turn left and right. It will essentially be hindered and
More than likely fail or leak or blow a seal somewhere.

So , to make a statement removing the belt is not indicative of how a proper vented ps pump removed rack would feel.
A properly vented looped rack with plenty of fluid and room to vent will run great and last as long as a normal ps pumped rack. I have been running a custom kit on my car and a dozen around Sydney for over 4 years and not one leak or issue. Builds your guns too .

My suggestion was one of few simple ways to give the op an idea of what it would be like without p/s. Running fluid vs no fluid in the rack hardly changes much in terms of steering feeling imo. Yes, i've done lots of my own testing with different configurations, hence why i came up with my own solution.


Well,share FFS!

I wouldn't buy one MR-VTEC,I would end up trying to copy it and if I can't I wouldn't do it..

Put it this way $100 is more than I would spend on a 'kit'.

Why don't U guys just share your knowledge,what's the issue/problem?

Why not just share ya knowledge instead of trying to make a buck from it,JUST SHARE.

It's BS all this secrecy,makes me not want to be on here.

If everyone just copied everyone else there would be no innovation and no advancement in our scene :thumbdwn:

I'm definately not out to make a buck on here. I like doing things for my own needs. I was just offering up the possibility of a kit or two from the spares i had when creating my own. Like anyone though, i like to get paid for the work i do. . .

Fair enough, i get that you want people to share what they've done or what they are doing, although there are numerous reasons why some people; myself included, don't like posting every detail about our cars on a public forum. Ever wonder why some of the best build threads have disappeared off Ozhonda . . .

[beeza]

Nope,cheers for the reply mate.