New HONDA FEO ULTRA Fully synthetic Engine Oil

[sneakyEG]

As the title says..... Honda R&D have heard all the non FEO users out there and come to the party!! Honda's new FEO ULTRA is in the dealerships now (in 60l drums) or will be soon. The 5l bottles are yet to arrive but from what i understand are not far off. Yes this means if you get you car serviced at a dealer and if you normally supply your own fully synth oil now you dont really have to... O wait this is a touchy subject, i feel another oil test/comparo coming on!! :p

5W-30 API SM Honda FEO ULTRA Fully synthetic ... This new feo will be replacing the older stocks, meaning 'mineral based FEO 10W30' will no longer be available. Also comes at a cost increase, im not sure how much just yet..

So what are your thoughts??? Who thinks its worth a try?

Promotion Poster and Drum label details in pics below

[wynode]

Interesting.

I actually just found the following on the Honda offers (http://offers.honda.com.au/) website:
Upgrade to FEO ULTRA Fully Synthetic and you could win a $100 Fuel Card (http://offers.honda.com.au/pdf/FEO_ULTRA_Fully-Synthetic.pdf)

[sneakyEG]

Yeh that is all that is actually out about the new oil atm.. I found that odd myself!! So far i have only seen a few posters up on the walls in dealers service dept's as service advisers are starting to "upsell" it already.. 1 source tells me that it maybe a trial thing from Honda but i highly doubt Honda would make this new FEO and then go Backwards, so i think it is safe to say this will be honda's new engine oil.

[mugen_ctr]

depending on price i guess, i would, no more than 60-70 bucks for 5 liters, sold!, but any more, naar to expensive, lol

[tseesinngwailo]

Cant wait for someone to try it :) might give up my Castrol now!

[dc2r-0636]

if its honda its designed for honda! so it should be top stuff

[aaronng]

I hope it is a group IV or V synthetic. If it is, then I'd pay about $65-80 for group IV and up to $100 for group V. If it is a Group III, I'd stick to Castrol Edge 5w-30 during 20% sales for $40

[dc2r-0636]

I hope it is a group IV or V synthetic. If it is, then I'd pay about $65-80 for group IV and up to $100 for group V. If it is a Group III, I'd stick to Castrol Edge 5w-30 during 20% sales for $40

i use castrol edge sport 5w-30 now.. do you no wat group it is ?

[buddah51au]

I am using Mobil Syn 5W30 at the moment, But if the new FEO is group IV or V I will definitely switch.

[TheSaint]

will we be ok to change from the old feo to the new one? even if the car has done like 300k kms ++

[aaronng]

i use castrol edge sport 5w-30 now.. do you no wat group it is ?

That is a group III. The Edge 0w-40 is group IV.

[aaronng]

will we be ok to change from the old feo to the new one? even if the car has done like 300k kms ++

Is there a point going for the full synthetic if your 300k+ engine is doing fine with the old FEO?

[TheSaint]

so no performance gain?
shes always been fed on FEO

[aaronng]

so no performance gain?
shes always been fed on FEO

You might get 0.5 kW or so..... something which you won't feel. This oil is good if you plan on putting your engine under stress such as on track days or if you plan to hit redline many times a day.

[TheSaint]

You might get 0.5 kW or so..... something which you won't feel. This oil is good if you plan on putting your engine under stress such as on track days or if you plan to hit redline many times a day.

better change over than lol

[destrukshn]

it has been released, it has been released for a while now.
it is under $70 a bottle.
as far as i know, they are not phasing out the mineral oil, i believe they are giving the customers options, for now that is.
they may phase it out later on, but at this point, they are not.
i have tried it myself, defiantly smoother, more mileage per tank, more responsive.

regards

[EK1.6LCIV]

I think Honda should've stopped marketing their own oil years ago, hardly a good investment

when it was at $29 for a bottle a few years back it was reasonable, but when they increased it last feburary that was it for me and since switching to a full synthetic I'll never return

[SlobberGoat]

Mobil 1 for me.. (...because I love the way it cleans dirty engines)

[mugen_ctr]

Mobil one is fairly pricey for me, lol, iev been using valvoline syn power 5w-30, i wanna see how this stacks up to it, since both are priced pretty similar

Change oil every 5000kms, next service is due in 1500kms, so pretty soon, will let peeps know how this goes as well, and wanna compare it to syn power oil

[pizza_boy]

stopped by in Artarmon Honda today, had a good look at the oil, not much information on the bottle. Asked Honda guys to check in their system which group is it, but there is nothing in their system. They suggested to email Honda inquiries on website for more info.
Damage 59.95, doubt it's group 4...

So I went to Repco across the road for Castrol Edge which is on special for Fathers Day...

[McChook]

5L bottles are definitely in stores now.... Scotts Honda has a fair bit of stock... I know because I just put them away LOL

and at $60 a bottle it is almost double the original FEO price...

[jdm_b16a]

5L bottles are definitely in stores now.... Scotts Honda has a fair bit of stock... I know because I just put them away LOL

and at $60 a bottle it is almost double the original FEO price...

I stopped in at Rick Damelian Honda on Parramatta Road to pick up some power steering fluid this afternoon and they had it on sale. It was $64.95 but they were offering a 10% introductory discount on the 5L. The old mineral based oil was still there, priced mid $40 but also on 10% discount.

Peter

[cheapdouchebag]

ive been told if youve got an old motor, might as well use cheapo oil. newish motors should be using top stuff like royal purple n stuff like that
in my lude ive filled it up with 10w-40 magnatec and i love it. feo ultra sounds like its the bomb (hondafan talk) but in all honesty i wouldnt pay $60 for feo ultra when at repo i can grab a bottle of magnatec + oil filter combo for 25 bucks. repco brand oil filter but who really cares about it

[JS2k]

Guys for everyday driving FEO Mineral is a Semi Synthetic Blend and will do the job just fine , it always has

The FEO synthetic is also a great oil which i will be using and im glad we have an option from Honda for a full synthetic

I have always used FEO and pulled down engines after they have been abused or high mileage , never had a problem with the lubrication quality of the oil

and at $35 bucks for five litres of oil its well priced and Genuine ( yes i know Caltex ) but remember its specifically blended for Honda to their strict guidelines

anyways just my opinion , Oils are a touchy subject because everyone likes using different oils due to motor sport applications/ testing and pricing etc , i use different oils myself

I doubt these days anyone is producing a poor quality oil because they cater for new and old vehicles which require better quality oil than ever

[TheSaint]

review and comparison...

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?138634-Honda-FEO-Premium-Honda-FEO-Ultra-Comparison-Review&p=2839917#post2839917

[buddah51au]

I have made some inquiries with my dealer regarding whether FEO Sythetic is grade III, IV or V. He could not give me an immediate answer, but got back to me a few hours later stating that it is grade III.....so I will stick with mobile 1.

[sunnyl]

Interesting.

I actually just found the following on the Honda offers (http://offers.honda.com.au/) website:
Upgrade to FEO ULTRA Fully Synthetic and you could win a $100 Fuel Card (http://offers.honda.com.au/pdf/FEO_ULTRA_Fully-Synthetic.pdf)


weee! Got one of those fuel cards in the mail today :D

[gumus89]

I asked my local honda about it when i went to get an oil filter and they have been told its only for 2000 and onwards vehicles.

And seeing as its a group 3 oil its just another overpriced Honda product :)

Edge 5W30 is essentially the same thing but cheaper. Nearly $70 for Ultra... Pft

[Phased]

I have made some inquiries with my dealer regarding whether FEO Sythetic is grade III, IV or V. He could not give me an immediate answer, but got back to me a few hours later stating that it is grade III.....so I will stick with mobile 1.

Unfortunately Mobil 1 is a Group III as well. I hope you're getting it on sale otherwise you're paying $100 for a overrated Group III. :(. Mobil 1 in Australia hasn't been Group IV for a couple of years!

Analysis Test Proven and My Personal Fav's (Which of course reflect analysis', lol):
Track: AMSOIL Race Oil (Group IV) OR Motul 300V/Redline/Royal Purple (Group V)
Spirited Daily: AMSOIL PAO (Group IV)
Daily/Runabout: FEO/Castrol Edge (Group II/Group III)

Anyone confirmed that the FEO Ultra is Group III. It's highly likely due to the price, I doubt Honda would sell a Group IV at that price. Not to mention that there are not many manufacturers that produce Group IV/V anymore. Not mass marketed ones anyway. Besides maybe Motul 300V (Group V).

[Fredoops]

Unfortunately Mobil 1 is a Group III as well. I hope you're getting it on sale otherwise you're paying $100 for a overrated Group III. :(. Mobil 1 in Australia hasn't been Group IV for a couple of years!

Analysis Test Proven and My Personal Fav's (Which of course reflect analysis', lol):
Track: AMSOIL Race Oil (Group IV) OR Motul 300V/Redline/Royal Purple (Group V)
Spirited Daily: AMSOIL PAO (Group IV)
Daily/Runabout: FEO/Castrol Edge (Group II/Group III)

Anyone confirmed that the FEO Ultra is Group III. It's highly likely due to the price, I doubt Honda would sell a Group IV at that price. Not to mention that there are not many manufacturers that produce Group IV/V anymore. Not mass marketed ones anyway. Besides maybe Motul 300V (Group V).

I don't think Castrol (if they are the producer) produces 5w30 in using group IV base.
The only Castrol edge sport product that uses group IV are 0W/40 & 10W/60, rest are group III based

The wording "Fully Synthetic" no longer means anything post 1999 "Mobil vs Castrol" court case when the knucklehead judge ruled in favor of Castrol (hence why I dislike Castrol with a passion, they ruined everything)
So when I saw the word "Fully Synthetic" and then a Castrol star on the cap? NO chance in hell I'm gonna use that.

I HIGHLY doubt the Honda 'ultra' is group 4.


unfortunately Mobil 1 is a Group III as well.
Just like The Castrol Edge, not ALL Mobil 1 are group III, but unlike Castrol, Mobile don't use all group III or group IV in their oils... At lease in USA and Europe
Mobil 1 (normal) is mostly group III base (except Mobil one "gold" 0w-40), Mobil 1 Extended Performance (US only product) is a mix of Group III and Group IV (I remembered it's more group IV than group III due to stability over longer term...) from an analysis I saw some time back.
I'm 90% sure Mobil 1 'gold' 0-w40 is group IV however

I reckon this whole "Honda researched" oil is just marketing gimmick.
A liquid engineering lab costs billions of dollars, whats the chance Honda actually builds such a lab, just to design oil for a few types of vehicle and boats? When they cant even sustain a F1 team?

I reckon Honda sub-contracts the oil design/production to Castrol (ie: Honda Rep to Castrol rep: "Here's the spec sheet from our R&D, go make it... or if it's similar to your Castrol edge... just put it in a different bottle.").

I looked into Honda Corporation and all their business lines and all the research and development info, no where does it say they have anything to do with petroleum engineering.
Just think about it, if Honda really has it's "Own" lab... won't they market to death about it?

[Phased]

I don't think Castrol (if they are the producer) produces 5w30 in using group IV base.
The only Castrol edge sport product that uses group IV are 0W/40 & 10W/60, rest are group III based
.........
I HIGHLY doubt the Honda 'ultra' is group 4.
...........


I'm not sure If I'm picking up your tone incorrectly here... but I never once said that the FEO Ultra was a Group IV... I actually stated that it was very unlikely. I just asked if anyone could confirm it, nor did I state Castrol was the producer... CALTEX is the producer. Hence the Star...

Also... No one said anything about Honda having their own "liquid engineering lab" nor did Honda themselves say it. Of course that is how Honda Oils would be developed. Honda would give them a specification sheet with acceptable variances in relation to Kinematic Viscosity, Viscosity Index, Base Number and Volatility etc. and of course that it would be based on a Group III. Then they would use their own run of the mill base stock. The main advantage is that the viscosities etc. will always suit that recommended by Honda themselves, even if it isn't completely "engineered" by Honda.


I'm 90% sure Mobil 1 'gold' 0-w40 is group IV however

You shouldn't be 90% sure that Mobil 0w40 is a Group IV you should be 100% sure. Any 0 weight oil MUST contain a majority of Group IV base stock otherwise it won't meet SAE standards for Film Strength, Volatility etc. Also from what I heard it's almost impossible to get a 0 weight oil from Dino oil without extensive refining/additives which in the end make it cheaper to use a Group IV base stock.


not ALL Mobil 1 are group III

This is of course true, the reason why I stated he is almost paying $100 for a group III as I'm unaware of a Honda Engine (unless internally built/track use) would use a 0w40 oil. Unless you had a built engine that required a 40 weight and you use a 0w weight because you live in a cold climate (ie. below freezing point). Considering in Australia none of our major/populated cities have "cold climates", I assumed he was referring to the 5w30, which is based on Group III.

[Fredoops]

I'm not sure If I'm picking up your tone incorrectly here... but I never once said that the FEO Ultra was a Group IV... I actually stated that it was very unlikely. I just asked if anyone could confirm it, nor did I state Castrol was the producer... CALTEX is the producer. Hence the Star...
.

Oops. I mis read your quote about the start.... my bad.
I think we're in agreement most of the way, except I'm more certain it wont be a group iv

No one on the forum said anything about the liquid engineering lab, which is good, same cant be said about the dealers who's trying to shove this oil down my throat when I'm there getting some brake fluid.

Now i read my post again I did sound pretty pissed off... sorry. Just getting pretty frustrated with all the marketing companies throw around. Back in the old days, Synthetic means synthetic... sigh.


This is of course true, the reason why I stated he is almost paying $100 for a group III as I'm unaware of a Honda Engine (unless internally built/track use) would use a 0w40 oil. Unless you had a built engine that required a 40 weight and you use a 0w weight because you live in a cold climate (ie. below freezing point). Considering in Australia none of our major/populated cities have "cold climates", I assumed he was referring to the 5w30, which is based on Group III.
Funny enough i was looking at the Honda manual, and it can actually take the 0w40, probably for the european and JDM market where it gets real cold.

[gumus89]

Whats wrong with Homebrand oil?
I prefer canola over olive, its a bit cheaper.

[dc2r-man]

I know this topic is abit old,but i went down to Honda today to get a few spare parts, i saw the feo ultra fully synthetic engine oil poster up on the wall, so i asked the guy how much a bottle is, he told me around the $57 mark.

Im thinking about getting a bottle and trying it on my next service for my dc2r has any1 had any experiences with this oil yet?

[Fredoops]

I know this topic is abit old,but i went down to Honda today to get a few spare parts, i saw the feo ultra fully synthetic engine oil poster up on the wall, so i asked the guy how much a bottle is, he told me around the $57 mark.

Im thinking about getting a bottle and trying it on my next service for my dc2r has any1 had any experiences with this oil yet?
Give it a try and let us know :-P

[tseesinngwailo]

I use it on my 2000 DC2R and I have done for the last 10,000Klm, I love it, but find it kind of pricey at $70 for 5L at Trivett Blacktown, but my car is using a lot due to worn rings and valve stem seals, so am going to change back to thicker oil until I can do something about it, I currently lose around 500-700ml per 1000klm.. I found that the engine revved a bit easier after changing to this oil, but may have been a placebo effect, don't know, too much of a Honda fan hahaha

[Fredoops]

I use it on my 2000 DC2R and I have done for the last 10,000Klm, I love it, but find it kind of pricey at $70 for 5L at Trivett Blacktown, but my car is using a lot due to worn rings and valve stem seals, so am going to change back to thicker oil until I can do something about it, I currently lose around 500-700ml per 1000klm.. I found that the engine revved a bit easier after changing to this oil, but may have been a placebo effect, don't know, too much of a Honda fan hahaha

almost all synthetic oils make your car rev easier. its just plain flows better
What about US import Mobil 1 High-Mileage (http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_High_Mileage_10W-40.aspx) 10w-40? $65 for 5.6 litres from a place in Eastwood

[dc2r-man]

I use it on my 2000 DC2R and I have done for the last 10,000Klm, I love it, but find it kind of pricey at $70 for 5L at Trivett Blacktown, but my car is using a lot due to worn rings and valve stem seals, so am going to change back to thicker oil until I can do something about it, I currently lose around 500-700ml per 1000klm.. I found that the engine revved a bit easier after changing to this oil, but may have been a placebo effect, don't know, too much of a Honda fan hahaha

How many kms has your car done? mine has 180k kms on the clock and runs great,doesnt burn any oil, engine is very healthy! currently using castrol edge 0w-30w

[outatime]

I use the feo ultra.. the idle noise is noticeably quieter and the revving a bit smoother.

mekong spares at canley vale sells them for 55..

[WATAJK]

Tried on the DC5 and to be honest, didn't feel all the great. Felt like it was quieter and rev'd smoother but i feel royal purple does a much much better job and doesn't burn as easy.
FEO Ultra is 10W-30 isn't it? I prefer 10W-40 Royal Purple as the DC5 is track and street orientated
I prefer Royal Purple but i guess if you can't afford Royal Purple or Motul etc then you should go for FEO Ultra but i think there's other oils on the markets that are cheaper and will still do the same job.
Use whatever fulfills your needs IMO

[Fredoops]

Tried on the DC5 and to be honest, didn't feel all the great. Felt like it was quieter and rev'd smoother but i feel royal purple does a much much better job and doesn't burn as easy.
FEO Ultra is 10W-30 isn't it? I prefer 10W-40 Royal Purple as the DC5 is track and street orientated
I prefer Royal Purple but i guess if you can't afford Royal Purple or Motul etc then you should go for FEO Ultra but i think there's other oils on the markets that are cheaper and will still do the same job.
Use whatever fulfills your needs IMO
5w-30 Feo ultra is

[WATAJK]

5w-30 Feo ultra is

Thanks for correction.
I'll stick to my 10W-40 :) lol

[tseesinngwailo]

Hi All, so I am thinking to get the Mobil from that place in Eastwood, the 10W-40, now trying to work out, many people seem to change oil at 5000Klm for a DC2R, is that the factory recommendation? as some others seem to think its 7500klm. There's heaps of conflicting info on the net. And does anyone know the best place to get alloy crush washers? Want to but a bag instead of trying to get one here or there.
Cheers
Chris

[aaronng]

Hi All, so I am thinking to get the Mobil from that place in Eastwood, the 10W-40, now trying to work out, many people seem to change oil at 5000Klm for a DC2R, is that the factory recommendation? as some others seem to think its 7500klm. There's heaps of conflicting info on the net. And does anyone know the best place to get alloy crush washers? Want to but a bag instead of trying to get one here or there.
Cheers
Chris
It depends on the oil. Regular mineral FEO, I'd change at 5000km. But if it is Mobil1, then 7500km is fine. It should reach 10,000km as well unless it is a turbo'd set up where the oil also cools and lubricates the hot turbo.

The best place to get aluminium crush washers in bulk is either ebay from overseas or a bulk bolt place like Nepean boltmaster (make sure you measure the inner/outer diameters and the thickness).

[tseesinngwailo]

It depends on the oil. Regular mineral FEO, I'd change at 5000km. But if it is Mobil1, then 7500km is fine. It should reach 10,000km as well unless it is a turbo'd set up where the oil also cools and lubricates the hot turbo.

The best place to get aluminium crush washers in bulk is either ebay from overseas or a bulk bolt place like Nepean boltmaster (make sure you measure the inner/outer diameters and the thickness).

On the weekend I pulled out the original leather folder thing with the service history and car user manuals, in there it says oil changes every 10,000klm.

I changed oil on Friday night, Castrol Edge Sport, 5W-30. Now heres the issue, now they advertise it as Edge Titanium, so seeing as I only had about 3L left of the Edge Sport, had to get the remaining in as Edge Titanium 5W-30, so big question here is, are they the same oil and does mixing it matter?

[dc2r-man]

On the weekend I pulled out the original leather folder thing with the service history and car user manuals, in there it says oil changes every 10,000klm.

I changed oil on Friday night, Castrol Edge Sport, 5W-30. Now heres the issue, now they advertise it as Edge Titanium, so seeing as I only had about 3L left of the Edge Sport, had to get the remaining in as Edge Titanium 5W-30, so big question here is, are they the same oil and does mixing it matter?

No there not the same oils, i wouldnt advise mixing them....both have different additives in them if you mixed them already did u use the same viscosity?

[tseesinngwailo]

Whoops, well I did ring a respected person on these forums for guidance before I purchased, yes, they are both 5W-30 Catrol Edge products, one is the Sport, and the other is the Titanium, which I was told is the superceded oil of the Sport. Seeing as they are already mixed, I didn't really want to drain it again. At $70 a bottle, this is getting expensive, and I won't be likely to race the car before the next oil change. I will ring Castrol tomorrow to confirm if this is a bad thing.
Cheers, Chris

[Fredoops]

Whoops, well I did ring a respected person on these forums for guidance before I purchased, yes, they are both 5W-30 Catrol Edge products, one is the Sport, and the other is the Titanium, which I was told is the superceded oil of the Sport. Seeing as they are already mixed, I didn't really want to drain it again. At $70 a bottle, this is getting expensive, and I won't be likely to race the car before the next oil change. I will ring Castrol tomorrow to confirm if this is a bad thing.
Cheers, Chris
it's no big deal

Considering the BASE OIL had not changed. It wont break your engine.

PS: for $70... you'd better off getting mobil 1, theres a place in Sydney near Eastwood that sells them cheap.

[dc2r-man]

For future note don't mix oils! If you don't know what your doing give the car to some who does!

[tseesinngwailo]

Yes, I do know what I am doing in general, I am 43, and have been working on cars since 16, as I stated, I was unsure, being a Saturday CAstrol was not open and I didnt want to waste hours searching auto places for the Sport, thats why I rang a respected person from these forums, he advised it would be OK. I am going to ring Castrol to check, I know it's probably not the best thing to do, but seeing as I already half filled the car, maybe 3L of Sport, will the 1to 1.5 of Titanium really kill the car? Should I sue Supercheap for the cashier telling me its OK to mix and the Titanium supercedes the Sport? Maybe if I bring this up with Castrol they might give me another 5 L for free?

[trism]

Its fine.

They're the same oil, the new stuff just has a higher titanium content.

The only thing this means is that you can't use them in a diesel vehicle that has a diesel particulate filter.

[ope126]

I have specified Honda Ultra FEO 5W/30 Full Synthetic for my scheduled serivce on the 19th of April.
Looking back through the previous service invoices, the dealers have been using Castrol Magnatec 10W/40.
Should be a vast improvement...

[adamc11]

I had my car serviced at Courtney and Patterson, see here (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?163915-70-000km-euro-service-just-completed).

They charged me $63 for the FEO synthetic and gave me the bottle with the remaining oil.

Looking at past invoices from my parents car, C&P charged my parents about $40 for the non synthetic oil.

Worth the extra $20 or so dollars imo.

[Fredoops]

I had my car serviced at Courtney and Patterson, see here (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?163915-70-000km-euro-service-just-completed).

They charged me $63 for the FEO synthetic and gave me the bottle with the remaining oil.

Looking at past invoices from my parents car, C&P charged my parents about $40 for the non synthetic oil.

Worth the extra $20 or so dollars imo.

yeah, every cent lol