DC5 Type R vs RX8

[Prince_James]

hey guys just need your opinion, :D
as the title suggests its between the dc5 R and the Rx8 ( i know its a honda forum but biasedness aside which would u prefer ) :p
to me
the Dc5 has good handling, looks ( exterior ) better fuel economy and i would think better reliability compared to the rotary and better resale value ( however i tend to keep the car for a few years )
the rx8 looks good, great interior , more practical, rear wheel drive
i want it for a daily driver what i want in a car would be good performance and handling, nice exterior, bit of sofistication and luxury for the interior as its a daily, and the usual fuel economy reliability etc
they both cost about the same, the dc5 has less power 147kw but is about 200 kg lighter but the rx8 has 177kw
as i have said both have their strong points but the Dc5 is lacking in the interior and practicality department compared to the rx8 IMO but the rx8 SUCKS with fuel economy around 380km/ tank (61L)
So which of these two would you pick if u were in my situation ( biasedness aside ) and please just between these two cars :)
- btw which of these would have better performance, handling and aftermarket support
cheers guys much appreciated

[waix]

if daily driver, then go for better fuel economy = DC5, just my opinion.

[Prince_James]

if daily driver, then go for better fuel economy = DC5, just my opinion.

thanks for the opinion waix i thought about that too, but the rx8 is more practical than the dc5 as u can actually use the back seats, the shape of the hatch on the dc5 makes the back seats pretty much useless unless u have really short passengers or just short trips =S

[M@lew]

As said, if it's a daily go for the DC5. If it's a weekend car then go for a RX7 ;)

[bungsai]

the rx8 has a bunch of issues with reliability...but its hella nice as a luxury car over the dc5r and it handles very nicely.

[ekay1]

Depends if your looking for a more sportier feel, i think that the DC5 will suit your needs, plus fuel economy would help during the daily driving needs. There is also a price different between the two, the DC5 being the cheaper alternative. However, the rx8 has that more luxurious feeling with leather seats and is almost impossible to seat at the back lol

[Prince_James]

As said, if it's a daily go for the DC5. If it's a weekend car then go for a RX7 ;)

hmmm wouldnt mind a rx7 too bad im on p plates xP

[Prince_James]

the rx8 has a bunch of issues with reliability...but its hella nice as a luxury car over the dc5r and it handles very nicely.

how bad are the reliability issues? mmm yeah thats why i am soo tempted cause i want a car that is sporty but with a somewhat luxury interior and the dc5 doesnt really offer the luxury interior where as the rx8 does as its a sports luxury =D

[Prince_James]

Depends if your looking for a more sportier feel, i think that the DC5 will suit your needs, plus fuel economy would help during the daily driving needs. There is also a price different between the two, the DC5 being the cheaper alternative. However, the rx8 has that more luxurious feeling with leather seats and is almost impossible to seat at the back lol

i am looking for a sportier feel and i do believe the dc5 handles better ( correct me if i am wrong ) but if i get the dc5 i would lose the option of the luxury interior the leather seats are so tempting and to the me dash looks a hell of alot better than the dc5
i think the rx8 s back seats are more usable than the dc5 ( again correct if im wrong )

[Prince_James]

i guess its a matter of
dc5 vs rx8
basic sporty interior vs luxury interior
good fuel economy vs bad fuel economy
fwd vs rwd
sporty vs luxury sport
hmmmm wished i could have the best of both worlds =(

[vvxtam]

If your a P-Plater , you won't be able to drive the Mazda Rx8 has 1308cc which is over the "a rotary engine that has an engine capacity of more than 1146cc as per the manufacturer's specifications"

[Samm928]

rotary = rebuild every 6-12months ;)

seriously.

i would get a rx8. why. because rx8 over dc5r.. LOL
rather go dc2r over rx8 but ;)

dc5r = get your seats stolen parking at woolies LOL
rx8 = no one steals shit LOL

[Prince_James]

If your a P-Plater , you won't be able to drive the Mazda Rx8 has 1308cc which is over the "a rotary engine that has an engine capacity of more than 1146cc as per the manufacturer's specifications"

oh but i checked rta and its not restricted plus i have a friends boyfriend who drives one and he is on red Ps this is in nsw btw

[Prince_James]

rotary = rebuild every 6-12months ;)

seriously.

i would get a rx8. why. because rx8 over dc5r.. LOL
rather go dc2r over rx8 but ;)

dc5r = get your seats stolen parking at woolies LOL
rx8 = no one steals shit LOL

hahahahaa but seriously is it really rebuild every half to a year ? sorry im noob =(

[dc2r-0636]

s2k ? :)

[Prince_James]

s2k ? :)

haha nahh great car but need something that can carry friends and maybe family too two seater doesnt help
and also im 6 foot 2 heard it would be a very tight squeeze for me lols
buhh yeahh just choosing between Dc5 R or Rx8 :D

[vvxtam]

oh but i checked rta and its not restricted plus i have a friends boyfriend who drives one and he is on red Ps this is in nsw btw

ah true, my bad thought u were in qld :P

but yea its really up to your personal opinion i guess.

[Prince_James]

ah true, my bad thought u were in qld :P

but yea its really up to your personal opinion i guess.

mmm damn wished this could be easier i love different aspects of both cars just dunno which aspects of which car i love more and is willing to sacrifices others for =(

[RR-04-RR]

haha nahh great car but need something that can carry friends and maybe family too two seater doesnt help
and also im 6 foot 2 heard it would be a very tight squeeze for me lols
buhh yeahh just choosing between Dc5 R or Rx8 :D

if you want to carry friends and family around + the height of your self, an rx8 is going to be the tightest sqeeze

dc5r will have more room, plus when it comes to reliability, hondas will always be more reliable

[SajadEG]

LOADED KIENTTTT!
dc5 R would be a better choice
rx8's are sexy as f'k but at the same time dissappointing, performance and mechanically
ma frends 8 was at the mech half the time he had it, and apparently according to him, majority of the cars at that workshop were 8's

the rx7 was legendary, but they f'ed it up with the 8

[rice_spirit]

how bad are the reliability issues? mmm yeah thats why i am soo tempted cause i want a car that is sporty but with a somewhat luxury interior and the dc5 doesnt really offer the luxury interior where as the rx8 does as its a sports luxury =D

if you want luxury interior like leather seats while being sporty why not dc5s?
i always thought the dc5 had more back space.. i have to taxi friends around in my dc2 cos they don't all have cars and we usually car pool to save petrol and it's not that bad at the back. they'll get used to it.. i mean if you are going to buy a car, buy it for yourself rather than the people who are going to be sitting in it.

also i personally don't think rx8 is a good daily at all.. you should do some research as to what is involved in maintaining it.. from the top of my head (someone please correct me if i'm wrong..)
-its not just the petrol.. its the cost of oil too. rotaries drink oil like crazy and you'll find yourself having to have oil in your boot to top it up like every few weeks or so which can add up..
-rotary engines weren't really made to be for daily cars IMHO. apparently you'd have to properly warm it up and then red line it at least once every time you take it out to prevent carbon build up... this can cause many problems in the future which are expensive to fix. (the carbon build up that is.)
-before turning it off you have to do like cool down laps, so basically, imagine wanting to go to your friend's house who just lives down the street. you'd have to like drive for 15 minutes to warm it up, red line it, and then drive for another 10 minutes to warm it down.. how troublesome.
-this also means that if your car is in the way of someone else's car you can't just hop in, move it a few metres and then turn the engine off. Else you'll get something like oil flooding or something? don't remember the exact term but it had flooding in it. basically you have to do all this fancy stuff like rev it to 5k and hold it there for like a few seconds etc before you can turn it off.
-there might be more problems which i don't remember..

and yes apparently you'll be spending ALOT of money on rebuilding the engine. a lot of rotary owners do mention that rotaries are quite reliable if they are properly taken care of but there is quite a lot of trouble, time and money involved in maintaining it.
so it's up to you whether you want to go through all of this for a daily driver..

most importantly, (and i know every other helpful response will say this too) take them both for a test drive and see what you like. no point having a nice interior that you like and being able to taxi people around without complaining if you are going to get bored of driving it..

on another note. APPARENTLY(this is what i've heard from a friend, please don't quote me on it..) rx8 are a lot more forgiving in corners for a rwd and handle really well (is it because of traction control?) and SOME people may think this takes the fun out of driving or something.

so to sum it up: IMHO dc5>rx8 as a daily.

[TheSaint]

i was also going to suggest the Dc5 Type-S

has more luxury, looks better, has a sunroof and the K20z1 is a nice engine =D

mates that have bought the Rx8 have tended to get rid of them again very quickly

[Prince_James]

if you want luxury interior like leather seats while being sporty why not dc5s?
i always thought the dc5 had more back space.. i have to taxi friends around in my dc2 cos they don't all have cars and we usually car pool to save petrol and it's not that bad at the back. they'll get used to it.. i mean if you are going to buy a car, buy it for yourself rather than the people who are going to be sitting in it.

also i personally don't think rx8 is a good daily at all.. you should do some research as to what is involved in maintaining it.. from the top of my head (someone please correct me if i'm wrong..)
-its not just the petrol.. its the cost of oil too. rotaries drink oil like crazy and you'll find yourself having to have oil in your boot to top it up like every few weeks or so which can add up..
-rotary engines weren't really made to be for daily cars IMHO. apparently you'd have to properly warm it up and then red line it at least once every time you take it out to prevent carbon build up... this can cause many problems in the future which are expensive to fix. (the carbon build up that is.)
-before turning it off you have to do like cool down laps, so basically, imagine wanting to go to your friend's house who just lives down the street. you'd have to like drive for 15 minutes to warm it up, red line it, and then drive for another 10 minutes to warm it down.. how troublesome.
-this also means that if your car is in the way of someone else's car you can't just hop in, move it a few metres and then turn the engine off. Else you'll get something like oil flooding or something? don't remember the exact term but it had flooding in it. basically you have to do all this fancy stuff like rev it to 5k and hold it there for like a few seconds etc before you can turn it off.
-there might be more problems which i don't remember..

and yes apparently you'll be spending ALOT of money on rebuilding the engine. a lot of rotary owners do mention that rotaries are quite reliable if they are properly taken care of but there is quite a lot of trouble, time and money involved in maintaining it.
so it's up to you whether you want to go through all of this for a daily driver..

most importantly, (and i know every other helpful response will say this too) take them both for a test drive and see what you like. no point having a nice interior that you like and being able to taxi people around without complaining if you are going to get bored of driving it..

on another note. APPARENTLY(this is what i've heard from a friend, please don't quote me on it..) rx8 are a lot more forgiving in corners for a rwd and handle really well (is it because of traction control?) and SOME people may think this takes the fun out of driving or something.

so to sum it up: IMHO dc5>rx8 as a daily.

wow thanks for that =) much appreciated the problem is if i were to get the dc5 i wouldnt settle for anything but the type r ( personal preference )
as for the rest hmmm the mazda does seem to have alot of problems with reliability and stuff but if taken care of it would be like any other car buhh it could become a hassle
see the only thing that really puts me off the mazda is the sh*t house fuel economy ( normal driving and some spirited you get like 380km / 61 lt tank )
i dont think i would mind too much about the hassles with maintanence otherwise i really do like the car
however on the other hand the main reason that i am put off by the dc5 is the interior i dont think i can live with that xD * runs and hides * and the front wheel drive i know its possibly the best fwd car there is handling wise but the rwd of the mazda is just more attractive
was considering the subaru impreza rs until i did some research and found out that it can be outdragged by a mazda sp23 ( less power and weighs more )
this is such a hard decision just dont want to make the wrong decision and regret it =(

[TheSaint]

you are aware of the difference between the type-r and type-s in australia arnt you?

the type-s actually has better cams and a better exhaust - and it has more comfortable suspension and a better interior
the aus Dc5R got the short end of the stick lol

for what you are describing i think you would love a type-s

[Prince_James]

you are aware of the difference between the type-r and type-s in australia arnt you?

the type-s actually has better cams and a better exhaust - and it has more comfortable suspension and a better interior
the aus Dc5R got the short end of the stick lol

for what you are describing i think you would love a type-s

yeah i know of the differences between the type s and type r wished i could get a jdm dc5 r
hmmm the type s interior is pretty much similar compared to the dc5 r right ? cept the leather seats and sunroof ?
buhh i dunno just dont like the type s for some reason personal preference really
but ill have a look into the type s thanks for the suggestion =)

[Prince_James]

Oh and another problem with the type s is my budget i have a budget of 20 K maximum about 23 k
cheers =D

[nam.qhc]

i understand you're willing to put a lot of money and effort into maintaining a rx8. but believe.. you will hell regret.. a simple service.. can easily get 700 dollars. my cousin has one! also you said 380km for 61 litres.. but after time cars will run richer. my cousins rx8 is getting about 300 from 60 litres. i would choose the dc5>rx8! but best p-plater imho is ep3r =D

[ekay1]

haha nahh great car but need something that can carry friends and maybe family too two seater doesnt help
and also im 6 foot 2 heard it would be a very tight squeeze for me lols
buhh yeahh just choosing between Dc5 R or Rx8 :D

Honestly saying, the Rx8 isnt really a 4 seater car, IMO, its basically a 2 seater car, its really tight at the back.

[furansu]

I would take DC5R coz its more fuel efficient, relatively fast and good handling. Back seat has plenty of space to fit two people (not tall ones).

[Prince_James]

i understand you're willing to put a lot of money and effort into maintaining a rx8. but believe.. you will hell regret.. a simple service.. can easily get 700 dollars. my cousin has one! also you said 380km for 61 litres.. but after time cars will run richer. my cousins rx8 is getting about 300 from 60 litres. i would choose the dc5>rx8! but best p-plater imho is ep3r =D

really?? is it that bad??

[Prince_James]

hmmm i would have thought that the rx8 had more room in the back seat than the dc5 =S

[THEEYA]

damn the rx8 back must be tiny haha

[Prince_James]

damn the rx8 back must be tiny haha

on most review they all say that there is sufficient space to seat 2 adults comfortably in the back seat:(

[Samm928]

im not being biast. cause of owning a honda and all..

if i saw a rx8 it would turn my head more than a dc5r.

but straight down to the bottom of it.

i dont want to have to deal with a rebuild at the end of the year that will amount up to $6000

[Prince_James]

im not being biast. cause of owning a honda and all..

if i saw a rx8 it would turn my head more than a dc5r.

but straight down to the bottom of it.

i dont want to have to deal with a rebuild at the end of the year that will amount up to $6000

do they really need a engine rebuild at the end of every year ? :eek:

[Prince_James]

what do you guys think of the subaru rs ( althought it has significantly less performance ) ? just curious

[Samm928]

first car the subaru is great. its really economical. but you wont be producing any real power. its a 4 door. and its great to throw your mates in to drive up to the city. heaps of space. really good car. just no power. and its a fwd aswell :)

[TheSaint]

i would consider the 2001-2003 Liberty Rx over the RS any day

i really wouldnt get a non-turbo subaru - they are amazing cars, but they are heavy on fuel - both because of the boxer engine and the awd system - that being said the awd system is awsome - but the non-turbo boxer engines they make are severely under-powered

our other car is 99' liberty rx (similar engine to the rs) and it really is designed for towing caravans, not performance - and after being in a solid WRX or forester XT than the non turbos will just annoy you

if you want to stay n/a or 'p plate freindly' (not that we have that over here in WA lol) than i would stick to Dc5-R, Dc5-S or an EP3

[Prince_James]

yeahhh originally i was tossing up between the ep3 r or the dc5 r but then i started thinking since its a daily i want the interior to be nice to live with everyday (modern and bit of luxury and sofistication ) thats why i started looking at the rx8 but after some research and the replies to this thread ( thanks guys ) i realised there were some severe downfalls to the rx8 so now im considering the 08 rs as it is also in my price range although it is considerably less powerful but i guess it would make a pretty good daily driver
But then comes the problem if i wanted a nice daily driver which is a hatch might as well just get a ep3 jmd goodness and awsome performance lolss so im tossiing up between ep3 and dc5 r again lols
if u guys have anyother suggestions except for the dc5 s that you think would fulfill my requirements and costs no more than 23k feel free to post them
Cheers guys

[rice_spirit]

i think the mazda 3 sp 23 interior is pretty nice. not as good as ep3/dc5 in the performance department imho but if you're looking for nice looking interior and daily driven car maybe give that a try..

[6-SpeedManual]

For an economic high performance N/A car. you can't go wrong with DC5R.

[SL8512]

for me, it'd be a DC5S. newer car, nicer interior, easy on the fuel, easier to look at everyday, plus its a honda so it's pretty reliable, and also a plethora of aftermarket parts and support. Personally, fuel economy is important for me so if i was tossing up between these two, DC5S hands down. RX8 is nice, but i only like the revised facelifed RX8. The old one looks like its got down syndrome or something when u compare it side by side. Facelifted one = much more aggressive looking

what about a VW Golf GTI? If your budget doesnt allow for the current shape (MK6) then what about the one previous to it? MK5 chassis... you can pick up a decent one for about 23-27K

from a full tank u can get anywhere between 600-650kms

U considered an EP3R, which means u dont mind hatchbacks? GTI interior is pretty big for a small car, both front and back seats..... i'm 6'1 and i sit comfortably in the back seat of the GTI....

Flat bottom steering wheel feels real nice and if u get the DSG gearbox, u get the flappy paddles....its a bit of a gimmick, but still pretty cool...

It's a 2.0L turbo and u can get an ECU flash for it if u want more power, which bumps the power up to approx 155-160 fwkw, so no worries there....

it has independent suspension much like the EP3R, although it is a tad heavier but overall an awesome daily driver with power to boot....and also, mod support is quite good too.

Because its a turbo u can get more power from less money, although i wouldnt recommend going more than, say, 175kw at the front wheels otherwise you'll be wheelspinning everywhere and its just wasted power as u will never be able to use it all on the roads unless u want a fine from the 5-0

plus, german build quality = :thumbsup: everything pulls apart, and fits back together like lego. awesome!. I had a CL9 and it was a bitch to take anything apart!

check out www.vwgolf.net.au

[dc2r-0636]

first car the subaru is great. its really economical. but you wont be producing any real power. its a 4 door. and its great to throw your mates in to drive up to the city. heaps of space. really good car. just no power. and its a fwd aswell :)

its not economical. my mate has one and hates its fuel economy. its awd not fwd

[chauster]

Buy my Eg for 23k. =D

Chicks will dig you moar if you drive a RX8.
my2cents

[ekay1]

^ Sif chicks dig the rx8 over the dc5r :P
The subaru is a nice car i would have to say, wouldnt say fuel efficient though.

[Prince_James]

since your loaded you should get a ticket to japan and import a car lol

Hahahah wished i was loaded. Nahh honestly it too a few years of sacrifice and hard work like doing three 4 shifts a week and cudding down on spending and luxuries to get it. No help from parents thats y i ak so fussy to get the right car so i dont regret all my hqrd work =)

[Prince_James]

Sl8512 i would consider a golf gti but im on p plates and nsw restrictions dont allow turbo cars for p platers =(

[chunky]

Chicks will dig you moar if you drive a RX8.
my2cents

true.

[WATAJK]

you are aware of the difference between the type-r and type-s in australia arnt you?

the type-s actually has better cams and a better exhaust - and it has more comfortable suspension and a better interior
the aus Dc5R got the short end of the stick lol

for what you are describing i think you would love a type-s

Please don't start this argument.
This will become a shit fight.
Your telling me you'd prefer leather over recaro bucket's?? A heavier Chasis for a mere extra 7kws?? A Engine that needs a Harness for Kpro?? Type R also has LSD... Rather that package instead my friend..

But anywho, not going to argue that crap.
An RX-8 can be just as good as a DC5R/S provided that the history of it is that it's been maintained reguarly.. Quality parts are used when needed and it's serviced more then what it was needed too or serviced or time.
TBH dude... if you want a daily get a Type S, you'll find it alot less of a hassle then a Type R... my ITR is for weekends only really as bucket seats aren't exactly a daily sorta thing, trust me lol...

[ekay1]

Leather seats would just make you slide around when you drive dude, as WATAJK said, recaros > leather as they are made for "driving" unlike leather seats.

[Prince_James]

liar lol your name says your a prince asif your not loaded =P

lols no im not loaded and prince james was a nickname given to me from some basketball buddies xP


An RX-8 can be just as good as a DC5R/S provided that the history of it is that it's been maintained reguarly.. Quality parts are used when needed and it's serviced more then what it was needed too or serviced or time.
TBH dude... if you want a daily get a Type S, you'll find it alot less of a hassle then a Type R... my ITR is for weekends only really as bucket seats aren't exactly a daily sorta thing, trust me lol...

hmmm i just worried if i get the rx8 i may not mind the fuel consumption but if regular servicing cost 700 dollars and a engine rebuild costing 6k is required every year then count me out
as for the integra i just cant see myself getting a type s cause as u have said the type s cant be better than the type r i know some may argue that but to me the type r will always be better ( no offence intended to type s owners )


just a couple of things the dc5 type rs recaros wearing out puts me off alittle any way to fix this or prevent this ? besides just taking care getting in and out ?
also as a daily which one would be better the ep3 or dc5 both type r ?
and if i were to get a ep3 what would i do for insurance as it is a import and i cant find any online quotes for it =S ?
last but not least which one would have better fuel economy and passenger safety?

cheers guys =D

[WATAJK]

lols no im not loaded and prince james was a nickname given to me from some basketball buddies xP



hmmm i just worried if i get the rx8 i may not mind the fuel consumption but if regular servicing cost 700 dollars and a engine rebuild costing 6k is required every year then count me out
as for the integra i just cant see myself getting a type s cause as u have said the type s cant be better than the type r i know some may argue that but to me the type r will always be better ( no offence intended to type s owners )


just a couple of things the dc5 type rs recaros wearing out puts me off alittle any way to fix this or prevent this ? besides just taking care getting in and out ?
also as a daily which one would be better the ep3 or dc5 both type r ?
and if i were to get a ep3 what would i do for insurance as it is a import and i cant find any online quotes for it =S ?
last but not least which one would have better fuel economy and passenger safety?

cheers guys =D

Recaro's require care when you get in and out of them.. The bolsters can look brand new forever if you actually take care of them and don't squash them and shit...
Who the FK said a RX-8 requires a rebuild every year?? LOL WTF.....
Thats a new one... i think if you track it heavily then it might but not for daily driving lol...
TBH get a ITR dude...

[Vvvtec]

K20 DC2 ;)

Seriously though, I say choose the Type R. Reliability + fuel economy and Vtec. What more can you ask for!

[Prince_James]

Recaro's require care when you get in and out of them.. The bolsters can look brand new forever if you actually take care of them and don't squash them and shit...
Who the FK said a RX-8 requires a rebuild every year?? LOL WTF.....
Thats a new one... i think if you track it heavily then it might but not for daily driving lol...
TBH get a ITR dude...

SAMM928 said i dont want to be dealing with a rebuild at the end of the year costing 6000 dollars
and nam.qhc said that a simple service is 700 dollars or something
i know the rotary engine takes special care and attention and that they use up alot of petrol ( about 350-450 km/ 61 lt tank ) but i didnt think they were that unreliable
i mean if they were then mazda must have fked up REALLY badly could someone please confirm if these accusations are true?



K20 DC2

Seriously though, I say choose the Type R. Reliability + fuel economy and Vtec. What more can you ask for!

mmm true that i love it alot just would like a bit more sofistication and luxury to the interior but guess u cant get the best of everything xP

[Vvvtec]

You say it best yourself man. You can't have the best of everything unfortunately.

You just got to ask yourself: Economy/Reliability/Slightly less attractive interior OR Luxury/Looks/Less economy.

Answer those to yourself, honestly.

[Prince_James]

You say it best yourself man. You can't have the best of everything unfortunately.

You just got to ask yourself: Economy/Reliability/Slightly less attractive interior OR Luxury/Looks/Less economy.

Answer those to yourself, honestly.

yeah true hmm i guess right now i am sitting at economy reliability and slightly less attractive interior HOWEVER i will have to do more research into the rx8s reliability issues as i dont believe it should be that bad
just out of curiousily if a Dc5r or Ep3 r was properly taken care of how long will the engine generally last before needing rebuild ( lifespan ) ?

[EKVTIR-T]

Check out some rx8 owner forums for a reliable perpsective

[honda_zivic]

an rx8 does not costs 6g rebuild. cost 2.5g at most. they require rebuild approx 20,000 kms.

definitely not an everyday car, why?

eats petrol
say if u move ur car out of the driveway u must stay in there till its warm up then u can turn it off, otherwise it will flood.
must warm up at least quarter temp gauge b4 driving off, so therefore not recommend for daily drive.

u may see tons of people left stranded on d road because of rotary.

this was all told from people i know with rotary's. but anyways rx8 is more reliable then other rotary models.

[Prince_James]

an rx8 does not costs 6g rebuild. cost 2.5g at most. they require rebuild approx 20,000 .

Really serious ?? Engine rebuild every 20000km ?? Does that mean all those rx8s for sale on carsales all have had a few engine rebuilds ?
Doesnt add up cause if a engine rebuild costs 2.5k A rx8 with 100000 km would have had 5 engine rebuilds 12.5k. Doesnt seem right to me =S

[honda_zivic]

those rx8 on carsales gotta at least have been rebuild few times. contact em and ask.
like i said rx8 are more reliable then the other rotary. especially the rx7 FD will leave u stranded in d middle of d road, because of its being turbo as well
that car is like fragile, so beware.

thats wat my mates say. but depends on the rebuild u do, if u use some heavy duty parts out there it will last more than 20,000kms.

but in ur case out of the dc5 vs rx8.
i take the rx8 any day looks heappppsssssss better no offense to ozhonda people that own dc5.

[6-SpeedManual]

Obviously people here know nothing about a rotary engine. you DO NOT need to rebuild the engine at X amount of kilometres. it's simply called a SERVICE.

[junoki]

my mates rx8 is on a second engine already wen it hit near 80k's, fuel eccono = expect 350kms full tank (based on mates car) + mazda will try and find every excuse to rip that cash outta ya pocket

all in all, IMO get a dc5, cheaper to maintain, honda reliability, more aftermarket parts, better econno by farRrrr!!

*Not being honda biased*

oh yeh ..... the renesis engine drinks engine oil hard, expect to keep spare oil around the house or in car for top-ups!

:( -----> and how do i know all this, i live wiff the fool hahha

[honda_zivic]

^tru that
MAKE sure u maintain it very very well. it can last way more longer.

[Prince_James]

Hmm yeah i guess i should call up and ask if they have had engine rebuilds before i buy however i still dont believe that the rx8 was that much of a lemon. And i do believe that uf a care is properly maintained why would the engine need to be rebuilt so often lolsss. Mmm Dc5 R vs Rx8 vs Ep3 R such a hard decision =(

[honda_zivic]

have u driven an rx8?
if not i tell u right now, at low revs feels like a yarris. but higher rpm its aight.
pretty gutless imo but nothing a turbo wont do.

but other than that, damn nice car to drive.

[WATAJK]

an rx8 does not costs 6g rebuild. cost 2.5g at most. they require rebuild approx 20,000 kms.

definitely not an everyday car, why?

eats petrol
say if u move ur car out of the driveway u must stay in there till its warm up then u can turn it off, otherwise it will flood.
must warm up at least quarter temp gauge b4 driving off, so therefore not recommend for daily drive.

u may see tons of people left stranded on d road because of rotary.

this was all told from people i know with rotary's. but anyways rx8 is more reliable then other rotary models.

Every 20,000??? Please... your kidding me right? lol

[hussLEr]

How about an EP3R?..

k20 + practicle rear seats!

[Prince_James]

How about an EP3R?..

k20 + practicle rear seats!

I am considering it as well
I think its just i kinda prefer coupes to hatchbacks but the look of a championship white ep3 with multispoke white rims are growning on me =D

[Prince_James]

Every 20,000??? Please... your kidding me right? lol

I really dont think they need one every 20000 km that would mean they are probably the most unreliable car ever
And also means that hyundais are better xP no offence to hyundai lovers xP.
Buh yeah i doubt the rx8 s up for sale with over 100,000 kms on carsales each have had 5-6 engine rebuilds costing 12.5 -15 k

[honda_zivic]

I really dont think they need one every 20000 km that would mean they are probably the most unreliable car ever
And also means that hyundais are better xP no offence to hyundai lovers xP.
Buh yeah i doubt the rx8 s up for sale with over 100,000 kms on carsales each have had 5-6 engine rebuilds costing 12.5 -15 k

20,000k is like what 1yr? roughly estimate when u should b concerned mate.
rotary's can last up 100ks without even rebuilds but comes down to the owner if they well service it.

rebuilds go for 2.5 - 4 g max if u gonna pay over 6g u mite as well go shoot urself.:angel:

just be prepared to rip out cash if u want 1.

[dc2r-0636]

they never mention this crap on car magazines lol ''oh btw your guna be rebuilding ur engine every 2 years or so'' it won wheels coty in 2004? not to sure.
i no the R35 GTR needs a $10,000 service at its 100,000kms mark. they take the entire engine out and balance it ect. also charge around $1300 for transmission and diff fluid change lol
i know the BMW M series range get free service while under the 3 year warranty

anyway back on topic. DC5R>RX8 .
rx8 comes in auto aswell.. DONT GET AUTO loses like 15kw at the engine

[dougie_504]

DC5.

Have driven an RX8 and to be honest I wasn't really amused. It's nice and it goes fast enough, but you don't have that Honda feeling and sound that you get when your VTEC lobes kick in.

I dunno...I feel the same about the 350Z turbo as well. Nice/fast but no 'soul' or 'rawness' that makes you smile when you're thrown back in your seat. It's too smooth, too quite, and just too easy to be amusing...

[dougie_504]

they never mention this crap on car magazines lol ''oh btw your guna be rebuilding ur engine every 2 years or so'' it won wheels coty in 2004? not to sure.
i no the R35 GTR needs a $10,000 service at its 100,000kms mark. they take the entire engine out and balance it ect. also charge around $1300 for transmission and diff fluid change lol
i know the BMW M series range get free service while under the 3 year warranty

anyway back on topic. DC5R>RX8 .
rx8 comes in auto aswell.. DONT GET AUTO loses like 15kw at the engine


If you own a Ferrari it's like $14g for a brake service haha. I think the Veyron tyres cost $14g also because they're custom

[dc2r-0636]

If you own a Ferrari it's like $14g for a brake service haha. I think the Veyron tyres cost $14g also because they're custom

lmao the new veyron superspeed or something. has like 882kw. oh and $29,000 for a set of wheels haha

[WATAJK]

my mates rx8 is on a second engine already wen it hit near 80k's, fuel eccono = expect 350kms full tank (based on mates car) + mazda will try and find every excuse to rip that cash outta ya pocket

all in all, IMO get a dc5, cheaper to maintain, honda reliability, more aftermarket parts, better econno by farRrrr!!

*Not being honda biased*

oh yeh ..... the renesis engine drinks engine oil hard, expect to keep spare oil around the house or in car for top-ups!

:( -----> and how do i know all this, i live wiff the fool hahha

Here's an answer.
By a late RX-8 model with someone who has got an extended warranty on the car so that way when the motor does give way, you won't be going through that bullshit.
A Mazda Factory Warranty is not an argument they will go up against especially if the car has been maintained accordingly. You think that's a law suit Mazda would want against there name?? Seriously?? Over a motor?? LOL..
Please...
That's like saying Honda wouldn't replace a motor that's blown under a New Car Warranty... LOL...... What a joke.... They have ABSOLUTELY no reason to void your warranty if your car has been serviced accordingly to your service books!!

Mazda RX-8 & Honda DC5 Type R or S are just as realiable as each other, both require the same amount of care at the end of the day and both are a bitch when it comes to insurance.
Accept the facts, both will take a digging into your pockets because when something gives way which it must it's always going to hurt.
It'll come down to your personal choice mate.

To many people here believe rotaries require rebuild's 24/7... pretty lame....
Go for your personal taste and remember this line..
What you wanted at the time was what you wanted, so don't go looking back because then you will lose out on $$$$$
Make your decision wisely =)

[bungsai]

there are so many touches on the RX8 that always has be amazed when i see my mates one, given he paid mid/low 20's for it.

HIDs.
BOSE stereo
Cruise Control
Sunroof
leather interior
nice lights everywhere, the lighting is just classy
the steering wheel controls
the dash
the way the door sounds when you close it.

all of these things are like 100x better than the dc5r.
and i loved driving the rx8 up in the hills...its so neutral and well balanced. the dc5 is faster, but its like wresting a gorilla to make it go fast.

[drsilliez]

its funny how u guys say rx8 need engine build every 20k. my brother has one, new since 2004. on 120,000km atm, always serviced, NEVER had an engine rebuilt. still runs perfect like new from factory...

pft!

[Prince_James]

Mmm would love to buy a later one but my budget restricts me to 03-04 models
Buuhh yeah i still think that if properly taken care of it shouldnt need a rebuild all the time cause i dont think mazda did that badly with this car
And yerr the rx8s interior is such a nice place to be IMO compared to the race stype interior of the dc5. Just IMO some people may argue against it
Buhh yeah i wanna take my time lesrn as much as possible about the cars before i fork out all my hard earned cash to buy one
Dont want to buy something id regret =)

[Wez_R]

all i know is that they dont need engine rebuilds every X amount of k's my mates got one, it is nice but me being a dc5r owner i'd have to say my car has better handling and performance with or without aftermarket parts but if your looking for luxury which my mate was he got that and it is a tight fit in the back of the rx8 its still like a 2door car. just go have a look at afew different models and iv heard the ep3r is a good car but not a fan of hatchbacks haha anyway let us no what you decide!

[civicboy84]

Mate honda are made on reliability I have owned almost every car brand out there and they are all shit compared to honda....when I say cars I mean cars in the mainstream domestic market not hardcore BMW,MERC etc just you everyday commuter cars... HONDA OWNS everything. If you want a car you can simply get in and drive and not worry about it breaking, go DC5R

[burak213]

If you own a Ferrari it's like $14g for a brake service haha. I think the Veyron tyres cost $14g also because they're custom

Break.

[Prince_James]

all i know is that they dont need engine rebuilds every X amount of k's my mates got one, it is nice but me being a dc5r owner i'd have to say my car has better handling and performance with or without aftermarket parts but if your looking for luxury which my mate was he got that and it is a tight fit in the back of the rx8 its still like a 2door car. just go have a look at afew different models and iv heard the ep3r is a good car but not a fan of hatchbacks haha anyway let us no what you decide!

mmm thanks for that info, i just asked a friend who is a mechanic to talk to his friend who owns a shop tuning and servicing rotary engines and ask for his say about the rx8, its such a hard decision to be making cause i am tossing up between a car that has performance, aggressive looks ( external ) fuel efficient and reliability and a car that has good performance too, stylish looks ( great looking semi luxury interior however with sh*t fuel efficiency and reliability issues still waiting to clear that point up ... so hard to decide what i want more from a car ( i want a car with nice interior bit of luxury and sofistication, good exterior, some performance and great handling the rx8 offers all of this only thing stopping me is the reliability issues and chews through fuel to go around that would be getting the dc5r but only thing holding me back from getting that is the interior ( personal taste ) i dont mind it but the rx8 s interior is just so much more attractive and the rwd of the rx8 is also tempting =S guess ill wait till i get a reply from my friend


Mate honda are made on reliability I have owned almost every car brand out there and they are all shit compared to honda....when I say cars I mean cars in the mainstream domestic market not hardcore BMW,MERC etc just you everyday commuter cars... HONDA OWNS everything. If you want a car you can simply get in and drive and not worry about it breaking, go DC5R
thanks for that mate, i understand how reliable hondas are, however im still tossing up between the two cars reasons listed above =)

no doubt i would let u guys know what i end up getting however that may take a while as i am planning to get the car next year when i get my green ps currently on red and restricted to auto cars only =(

but by all means keep posting up info which would help make my decision a bit easier
cheers guys much appreciated =)

[Prince_James]

cheers guys for all the help and advice, for now i am leaning towards the dc5 r over the rx8 as i would rather lose some interior luxury for the reliability and fuel efficiency of the integra
btw any idea on how much to get a sunroof fitted to the dc5 R
thanks again for all the help =D

[Zinyo]

cheers guys for all the help and advice, for now i am leaning towards the dc5 r over the rx8 as i would rather lose some interior luxury for the reliability and fuel efficiency of the integra
btw any idea on how much to get a sunroof fitted to the dc5 R
thanks again for all the help =D

If you're looking for reliability, go for DC5. I've had my DC5R for almost 2 years and besides the usual servicing and oil change, the only thing i had to replace was a set of parkers

[Prince_James]

If you're looking for reliability, go for DC5. I've had my DC5R for almost 2 years and besides the usual servicing and oil change, the only thing i had to replace was a set of parkers

thanks for the info zinyo
i was actually looking for reliability as well as a bit of sofistication and luxury in the interior thats why i was having the hard time of tossing between the rx8 and the dc5 R but i guess now its not worth digging into ur pockets all the time to run the car just for a better interior so thats why i am leaning more towards the dc5 now

[Wez_R]

cheers guys for all the help and advice, for now i am leaning towards the dc5 r over the rx8 as i would rather lose some interior luxury for the reliability and fuel efficiency of the integra
btw any idea on how much to get a sunroof fitted to the dc5 R
thanks again for all the help =D

i think its around 2.5k to get a sunroof fitted, correct me if im wrong

[Vvvtec]

i think its around 2.5k to get a sunroof fitted, correct me if im wrong

Ie. Too much.

[DC5.Raven]

Try and find a DC5R that already has a sunroof?
I know its rare but there are a few.

[MWAKU]

http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?t=26214&referrerid=4129

answer a lot of ur questions on RX8

[Moey.C]

i know 8 pages of replies but im just saying..

having sat in both the rx8 and dc5r's the dc5 is more roomy. the rx8 may aswell be a 2 door. like u said both cars have there plus n minus i wreckon take bother for a drive n see which 1 u like better... at the end of the day every1s different. eg: if i had the money for an rx8 id buy a 4 door charade and an s2k :) lmao

[WATAJK]

i think its around 2.5k to get a sunroof fitted, correct me if im wrong

That sounds about right as i've been quoted for one.

[DC5.Raven]

Try and find a DC5R that already has a sunroof?
I know its rare but there are a few.

Here:
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9189886&keywords=Sunroof&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&YearFromShort=1645&__D=Sunroof&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=12155A1897A3&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965322% 204294965105%204294921591%201622%201645&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Cr=1&__Ntt=Sunroof&trecs=3

and

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=8665286&keywords=Sunroof&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&YearFromShort=1645&__D=Sunroof&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=12155A1897A3&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965322% 204294965105%204294921591%201622%201645&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Cr=2&__Ntt=Sunroof&trecs=3

[Prince_James]

Cheers for the info guys. But yeah would buy one with a sunroof already but there is only one in nsw and there are other things on other dc5 rs for sale that have more goodies than this one with only a sunroof

[koevi]

Cant go wrong with DC5R

Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3x1ikAI964&feature=grec_index

[Samm928]

vw turbo diesel? interiors plain though

[karlos]

dc5s, problem solved

[Prince_James]

Cant go wrong with DC5R

Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3x1ikAI964&feature=grec_index

mmm saw that vid before but the rx8 also won xP nahh pretty sure gonna go dc5 but maybe something might pop up down the road


vw turbo diesel? interiors plain though

sorry not into diesels ( fuel of satan ) xD


dc5s, problem solved

not really lol as a previously stated if i was to get a dc5 i would settle for nothing less that a type R ( personal preference ) =D

[EVLGTR]

biasedness aside (i havea DC2) then RX-8 of course because i enjoy driving rear wheel drive, rear wheel drives are somewhat superior to front wheel drive.

Im not really worried about fuel economy.

[Prince_James]

biasedness aside (i havea DC2) then RX-8 of course because i enjoy driving rear wheel drive, rear wheel drives are somewhat superior to front wheel drive.

Im not really worried about fuel economy.

mmm imo i prefer rear wheel drive too ... i see u have a skyline as well which model do u own ? ( love those things especially R34 GTR *droolll * )

[8100rpm]

im not being biast. cause of owning a honda and all..

if i saw a rx8 it would turn my head more than a dc5r.

but straight down to the bottom of it.

i dont want to have to deal with a rebuild at the end of the year that will amount up to $6000

i am not sure why lots of people saying rx8 engine needs to be rebuild every year or some rubbish like that. i had mine for three years and not a single problem and i use it as daily, do lots of short trips and lot of time stuck in traffics. many rx8 owners had done over 100000km without a problem and that includes track days. yes you will need to check the oil more often(like once every third fill up) but as a petrol head u would do that anyway, all u need is top it up with bit of oil, not like it will use 5litres every 400kms. only down side against the dc5r is that being a honda resale value would be better and yes it drinks more than dc5r. as for 'heaps of problems' i think the main ones are the engine flooded if u turn the car off while its still cold, but that problem is fix by mazda(recall) and the other one is carbon build up, the way to fix this is redline it at least once a week, if u cant even do that than i dont think u actually wants a sports car, maybe a luxury family sedan is more suitable for u.

dont get me wrong, i like the dc5r too and my mate is getting one. just clearing things up a bit

[NightKids]

Just get a sh*t box and then get a Liberty GT when ur on ur fulls. More than satisfies your needs....

[Prince_James]

cheers for ur input guys much appreciated... i have done alot of thinking and looking into other cars ... recently considered the liberty 3.0 r spec b seemed like what i wanted cept i came to the realisation it looks so plain and dull its just a family saloon that pulls well
but yeah since then i have looked at other cars
but i guess i have found something that has everything i want 2007 fn2 type r
i know many people would criticise it for having a beam suspension at the back and that a ep3 r craps all over it
but realistically i think it would be a better choice for me cause i want to put the insurance under my parents name with me as second driver and thats near on impossible to do with a import
let alone get insurance at all and if i do put it under my name which i would prolly have to if i got the ep3 it would be well over 5 k and thats really not worth it imho
but seriously i reakon that the fn2 r would more than satisfy my needs and i mean if i want more just modify it =D
and also comming from a 97 nissan pathfinder
its definitly a MASSIVE improvement xP
buhh yeah if anybody knows a thing or two about the fn2 or if they own one and have tips and stuff about owning one or mods that i should consider feel free to post and lemme know
( but please no ep3 will shit on a fn2 anyday ) cheers guys =D

[Wez_R]

with imports go with just cars and it would be well under 3k insurance, im with aami im paying 1.7k and if i were to go with just cars my qoute was around 1.9k i have a dc5r

But get what you want dont worry what people say because you will regret not getting what you want in the end good luck finding a car buddy.

[Prince_James]

with imports go with just cars and it would be well under 3k insurance, im with aami im paying 1.7k and if i were to go with just cars my qoute was around 1.9k i have a dc5r

But get what you want dont worry what people say because you will regret not getting what you want in the end good luck finding a car buddy.
Thanks for that mate. Buhh yeah is it really that cheap cause i looked up just car for dc5 r before they quoted me something like 4 k for comprehensive and third party so how do u get it that low ? Cause even putting it under my
Mums name its like 2.1 K
Btw im 18

[DC5.Raven]

I managed to get mine down to just over 1.2k with AAMI last year.
DC5S under my name, no accident history/theft/etc etc, maximum no claim bonus.
Use their flexi-premium and increase your excess to reduce your premium.
Under your mums name it shouldn't be that high unless she has accident/theft history or if the insurance company's policy is based on the youngest driver (which would be you anyway).

[JohnO]

i settled for third party/theft didnt want to pay 2.8k for comp especially for an old car thats an import. Ive driven my sister's liberty theres no satisfaction or very little of it low end boost was fun thats about it.

[Wez_R]

Thanks for that mate. Buhh yeah is it really that cheap cause i looked up just car for dc5 r before they quoted me something like 4 k for comprehensive and third party so how do u get it that low ? Cause even putting it under my
Mums name its like 2.1 K
Btw im 18

you can adjust your premium by incresing your excess which i did and if i didn't it would of been around 2.3k,
the insurance shouldnt be that much with your mum, it should be alot less unles she has made alot claims, etc.

DC5 raven is correct

[jks24]

Lol your on Honda forum

Although I wouldnt buy one, DC5R

I would go the EP3R or DC2R but good luck finding a decent DC2R for sale

[Prince_James]

mmm i got online quote with aami my mum hasnt had any claims or thefts what so everr and like it askes for second driver and i put me i have had no claims either for the fn2 R and its sitting a bit above 2 -

[pinoy-boi]

why dont u like the VW Golf TDI? great on fuel goes Quiet well and decent interior..

[EVLGTR]

mmm imo i prefer rear wheel drive too ... i see u have a skyline as well which model do u own ? ( love those things especially R34 GTR *droolll * )

I have an R32 GT-R

[53xxu]

dc5r bud, ive owned 3 of them, test drove a rx8 and they seem gutless. No comparison, chews up fuel, unreliable and dropping dropping dropping in price. there's a reason for that :) ... get yourself a nice clean low km dc5r and it will hold its value so long as you keep it that way...

[Prince_James]

dc5r bud, ive owned 3 of them, test drove a rx8 and they seem gutless. No comparison, chews up fuel, unreliable and dropping dropping dropping in price. there's a reason for that :) ... get yourself a nice clean low km dc5r and it will hold its value so long as you keep it that way...

wow you have owned three of them O.O what made u always buy another one?
but i mean im looking at fn2 type rs now and i know how many would say stuff about it being crapped on by the ep3
but lets be honest im going to be on green ps with insurance and stuff
and also the fact that the fn2 does have everything that i want in a car
nice interior performance handling etc and its pretty new so it seems like a good buy
but i mean how would u compare the dc5 to the fn2 ?
cheers