T3/t4

[VeYzZii]

What do you guys reckon of these turbos:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/STAGE-2-T3-T4-TURBO-KIT-S2000-00-03-04-08-AP1-AP2-F20-S-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4cf0daf191QQitemZ33045 8395025QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

There cheap and all, but im guessing they do same job?..
Lets not be pessimistic or biased intering the read. They come from USA, pretty sure manufactured in China, but isnt G-reddy and HKS from China too?

[LEWD]

Just google "ebay turbo ****ed up my car" and you'll get your answer

[JamieP]

Wow, that's rediculously cheap! The old saying you get what you pay for is jumping to mind

[SuperJDM.]

honestly you have a S2K not a just a cheap honda. Would you really want to risk buying a cheap turbo setup for forced induction?

[vyets]

buy it! and write a review when its installed :D

[VeYzZii]

lol -_-
No seriously?

[EKVTIR-T]

Not that its an s2k but a workmate has ran a egay t3 on his VL for about 1.5 yrs now flogging it and somehow its held up fine

[ludecrs]

buy it! and write a review when its installed :D

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=769843&st=0

[zhong]

Do it!

[VeYzZii]

LOL
ok 2nd problem... Im sort of on my P's. haha
Do i have to intercool the turbo? I know on some cars its unnecesary, not sure for s2ks..

[SuperJDM.]

ummmmm..... i thought all turbo has to have a intercooler for the intercooler to suck in air to cool down the turbo or else what other way will the turbo cool down by?
Anyways thats what i thought there might be another way to cool the turbo but iv never heard of it? If there is i would love to find out please.

[zhong]

Turbo cars don't "need" intercoolers, but you'd be crazy to run one without it. In fact, turbos are generally cooled by coolant/oil - hence oil/water lines, these "cool" the turbo, where as an intercooler "cools" the intake temps.. If the compressed air is used as compressed air, the boost will not be efficient nor will be give you reliability. FMIC kits go for about $400 only anyway... If I didn't have things to pay off at the moment, I would've purchased an ebay kit and replace the flimsy bits and do a full write up, as I strongly believe in "how it's installed" not "what is installed".. I have many friends who do run ebay kits, I mean for the $$ it sure does give you the extra kick you'd want.. It's all in the turbo and the tune...

My 0.02c anyway.

Peace.

[SuperJDM.]

damn you do learn something new everyday

[VeYzZii]

ummmmm..... i thought all turbo has to have a intercooler for the intercooler to suck in air to cool down the turbo or else what other way will the turbo cool down by?
Anyways thats what i thought there might be another way to cool the turbo but iv never heard of it? If there is i would love to find out please.

Nahh. Im sure there are non intercooled cars man. And as zhong said, turbos cooled with the oil like the engine.


Turbo cars don't "need" intercoolers, but you'd be crazy to run one without it. In fact, turbos are generally cooled by coolant/oil - hence oil/water lines, these "cool" the turbo, where as an intercooler "cools" the intake temps.. If the compressed air is used as compressed air, the boost will not be efficient nor will be give you reliability. FMIC kits go for about $400 only anyway... If I didn't have things to pay off at the moment, I would've purchased an ebay kit and replace the flimsy bits and do a full write up, as I strongly believe in "how it's installed" not "what is installed".. I have many friends who do run ebay kits, I mean for the $$ it sure does give you the extra kick you'd want.. It's all in the turbo and the tune...

My 0.02c anyway.

Peace.

Agreed. Even so, you can buy second hand garrets for cheap, and just run intercooler, BOV, pipes, maybe not wastegate china brand..

[asps91]

[QUOTE=VeYzZii;2844854]Nahh. Im sure there are non intercooled cars man. And as zhong said, turbos cooled with the oil like the engine.

A car can run without an intercooler as not as its not running above Approx. 5psi. I hovever do not know of any Turbocharged production car that did not come with one though.

A guy on supraforums bought an eBay it for cheap back when na/t was the big thing on 2j's. It ended up costing more getting it fitted and tuned that a pretty much bolt on kit from a reknown company. He drove this car for a few months on 12psi (This is ow for a 2j) and he still managed to blow the turbo.

[VeYzZii]

[QUOTE=VeYzZii;2844854]Nahh. Im sure there are non intercooled cars man. And as zhong said, turbos cooled with the oil like the engine.

A car can run without an intercooler as not as its not running above Approx. 5psi. I hovever do not know of any Turbocharged production car that did not come with one though.

A guy on supraforums bought an eBay it for cheap back when na/t was the big thing on 2j's. It ended up costing more getting it fitted and tuned that a pretty much bolt on kit from a reknown company. He drove this car for a few months on 12psi (This is ow for a 2j) and he still managed to blow the turbo.

Didnt really get second part man, but for first part, there where many non intercooled cars. From rolls royces to Merkurs. Murker XR4Ti, which was running something like 12 psi from factory. Rolls Royce had v8 Turbo non intercooled engines..

[zhong]

So is anyone going to do it? :D

[sambalam]

no, not even a little

[VeYzZii]

I will, when i get funds. 80 percent sure ill do it... Maybe not with a chinese turbo, but with chinese piping + intercooler + bov..

[zhong]

If you do get the ebay kit, make sure you get the one that comes with complete.. The only items I would think about using are:

Roughly $800 delivered as a kit: Rough prices seperately

- FMIC + piping kit (make sure it's the t-bolt clamp style clamps) - ~$450 del
- Oil Re-location kit - ~$50 del
- Turbo line kit - ~$50 del
- BOV - ~$60 del
- Manifold (Cast) - ~$300 del
- Intake pipe - ~$25 del
- FPR - ~$40 del
- Wastegate (Would use but won't expect to last.. But I know many many people who use ebay gates with slight mod and works up until this day w/o problems) - ~$50 del

Another bunch of greenies:

- E-manage/AEM - ~$700ish
- Injectors - ~$250ish (>450CC+)
- Fuel pump - ~$50-$200ish (OEM Nissan pump vs Bosch/Walboro)
- Snail - ~$100-$900ish (OEM Nissan vs Branded)

So really, the only thing I won't trust complete from the kit, is the turbo.. If your doing it in your own garage, I'd give the ebay turbo a go otherwise just get a smally like a HKS or even try one of the skyline turbos (cheap as chups), proabbly need to get another turbo line kit as nissan turbos are cooled by both oil and water. Not bad for roughly $2,500AUD, especially if your going to do it yourself.

DO IT!

[VeYzZii]

LOL, Patience..
I need to know if just bolting the F$%^& on will be fine, cause i have people coming up to me and telling me that the compression from turbo will blow the motor.. Cause s2 run big compression stock..?

[zhong]

Yeah, it's 11.0:1 compared to most turbo cars around 9-10.. But that's why you get a tuner to tune it to safe levels, as long as you don't get too lean (greedy). A thicker headgasket will lower the compression if your uber worried and want to run insane boost.. But my bet is that if your running low 6-10psi, it's fine the way it is depending on your AFRs. After bolting it on etc, especially with the new injectors etc it probably would run really sh*t.. So a tow to the tuner is probably the best..

I also have people coming up to me saying that if you don't use a BOV, your turbo will blow up. And if you don't have a fully hectic 3" exhaust with a high-flow cat, your car is going to be restricted. :eek:

[VeYzZii]

Ill probably pass the 'greenies'. I dont wanna run to much boost. Im still on P's and want it to sleep.. Will a tune be able to lower compression?? Ill have a BOV, and uncles own Liverpool exhaust, the exhaust will not be a problem. And whats AFR?

[zhong]

A tune will not lower compression, because it's a mechanical thing. However, a tune can make your setup more safe for a certain boost level etc. AFR = Air Fuel Ratio, what the engine needs to produce combustion in the chambers the exact amount of air/fuel is required, the faster the rate of combustion the greater the air/fuel that is needed etc etc.. If you don't really know the basics of the mechanics of an engine, let alone a turbo engine you should get a mech to do it..

Otherwise, go the supercharger route, it's totally DIY and not much tuning required (less power).. Although they do range from $2-4k second hand as complete kits.

[VeYzZii]

I know the basics man.. I can get a couple of cousins to help out with the turbo install and all. But the s2000 specific part is where things can go wrong really. I was looking at this copper head gasket:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190376878490&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

That will lower compression, enough for me to run about 10-15psi, which i prob wont go ever. Im planning to stay under 12. Im not after making a total drag car, i just want the feel of a turbo, along with vtec. Maybe ill call it V-urtec, or Vurbo. But yea.

This is what you had:

- FMIC + piping kit (make sure it's the t-bolt clamp style clamps) - ~$450 del
- Oil Re-location kit - ~$50 del
- Turbo line kit - ~$50 del
- BOV - ~$60 del
- Manifold (Cast) - ~$300 del
- Intake pipe - ~$25 del
- FPR - ~$40 del
- Wastegate (Would use but won't expect to last.. But I know many many people who use ebay gates with slight mod and works up until this day w/o problems) - ~$50 del

Another bunch of greenies:

- E-manage/AEM - ~$700ish
- Injectors - ~$250ish (>450CC+)
- Fuel pump - ~$50-$200ish (OEM Nissan pump vs Bosch/Walboro)
- Snail - ~$100-$900ish (OEM Nissan vs Branded)


As im not going to be running ridicoulus boost, i can get a garret with m27 housing with internal wastegate. Ill get china BOV intercooler piping + FMIC and turbo and oil lines, manifold from Liverpool exhaust i guess. With the FPR, is it really neccesary? I think ill pass most, if not all 'Greenies' until more funding.. LOL. Im gettin asian turbo kit for reason man.. $$$

What ya reckon zhong?

[zhong]

Do it and see! I woudln't bother with making up a manifold, just get one of them cast ones from ebay.. They look alright and are usually stronger than SS anyway, + it's cheap!

You'd be suprised with what parts that are re-branded are made by asian hands... lol

[VeYzZii]

I cant just 'do it'. What if i blow something? Im not worries about turbo blowing, something more serious engine wise. Head, cylinder, piston. So many people are telling me i have to get stronger pistons, low compression pistons, and cylinder and all this other stuff. DO i need them?

[ludecrs]

People don't know what they are talking about.

The motor will take 14 pound all day every day if taken care of, turbo or otherwise. Just do it.

[VeYzZii]

Im thinking of getting engine rebuilt prior...? The car is getting flatter and flatter, it almost feels like its gonna fail sometimes. I miss the original clean and fresh sound.

[sambalam]

Im thinking of getting engine rebuilt prior...? The car is getting flatter and flatter, it almost feels like its gonna fail sometimes. I miss the original clean and fresh sound.

so your gonna fork out for a rebuild but go cheap on a turbo kit:confused:

[fromdeeeast]

so your gonna fork out for a rebuild but go cheap on a turbo kit:confused:

Yer was about to say the same thing.

Also VeYzZiI you can't just put on a turbo kit and expect it work, you said that your not gonna bother on the "greenies". You can run a turbo kit off stock injectors and no aftermarket ECU. Well you could but it would shit itself. Not trying to sound rude but a bit more research is needed.

As zhong said get the ebay kit and use bits and pieces. Like the FMIC, piping, clamps, lines etc. You said you know liverpool exhausts so thats a massive advantage to getting an awesome exhaust and manifold made up which ebay kit one is shit. Turbo, get a nice piece of gear, not really sure what would be suited for the s2000, but a gt3071r or something similar usually does well on most 4 cylinder engines.

And most importantly get it tuned properly and running safe. Its all the tuner and how well everything is sorted, coz what will cause an engine to go 'bang' is messed air flow ratios, which would cause the car to run lean.

So yer it isn't too difficult or confusing just dont cheap out on the right things.

Best of luck!

[Age_S2000]

has any one told you that you will also need a clutch preferably one better then just a HD clutch also the Diffs are the weakest link in the drivline so it will be a matter of time b4 that blows then ull be lookin at doing a nissan r200 diff conversion or installing a puddymod diff (puddymod diffs are on s2ki.com)
and depending on how u drive ur gearbox will eventually blow up too...
inline pro in america make an R200 conversion kit and thats US$3400 not including a diff :O
theres one in sydney that runs 10.75 quarters its got a $5000+ triple plate clutch, $10000 PPG DOG Gearbox, and a $6000+ diff technics rear end set up
as much as the s2k is a nice car they wernt made to be force fed unless u have deep pockets...

good luck with ur project i hope all goes well for u

[VeYzZii]

Yer was about to say the same thing.

Also VeYzZiI you can't just put on a turbo kit and expect it work, you said that your not gonna bother on the "greenies". You can run a turbo kit off stock injectors and no aftermarket ECU. Well you could but it would shit itself. Not trying to sound rude but a bit more research is needed.

As zhong said get the ebay kit and use bits and pieces. Like the FMIC, piping, clamps, lines etc. You said you know liverpool exhausts so thats a massive advantage to getting an awesome exhaust and manifold made up which ebay kit one is shit. Turbo, get a nice piece of gear, not really sure what would be suited for the s2000, but a gt3071r or something similar usually does well on most 4 cylinder engines.

And most importantly get it tuned properly and running safe. Its all the tuner and how well everything is sorted, coz what will cause an engine to go 'bang' is messed air flow ratios, which would cause the car to run lean.

So yer it isn't too difficult or confusing just dont cheap out on the right things.

Best of luck!

Cheers man. I was gonna go cheap on turbo dont mean i wasnt gonna tune it or anything. As i said im pretty worried if something does go bang. hence why i said i would prob rebuild engine before going on proper boost. Research is what im doing here, there werent many write ups on turboed S2Ks.. So yea. Isnt the whole idea of 'bolt on' just to bolt it on? There was a bloke , as ludcrs posted, That simply bolted it on. Dont think he was running high boost or anything, but as far as i know he kept computer stock, not injectors though.. I Might just get some things sorted before boosting..? Maybe new motor mounts, low comp pist, thicker head gasket.. Things like that, and in time prob an AEM comp. WOuld those be enough, or is what AGE_s2000 said gonna happen... Mechanicals like the diff and gearbox going?


has any one told you that you will also need a clutch preferably one better then just a HD clutch also the Diffs are the weakest link in the drivline so it will be a matter of time b4 that blows then ull be lookin at doing a nissan r200 diff conversion or installing a puddymod diff (puddymod diffs are on s2ki.com)
and depending on how u drive ur gearbox will eventually blow up too...
inline pro in america make an R200 conversion kit and thats US$3400 not including a diff :O
theres one in sydney that runs 10.75 quarters its got a $5000+ triple plate clutch, $10000 PPG DOG Gearbox, and a $6000+ diff technics rear end set up
as much as the s2k is a nice car they wernt made to be force fed unless u have deep pockets...

good luck with ur project i hope all goes well for u

Everythings just gonna blow up huh.. Shit :P
Yea i realised. I dont mind spending money on the car man, but slowly..

[zhong]

There are always people who live with what Honda has blessed upon us, but there are also people who know what they are doing and talking about in that matter. Not trying to hate or anything, but it's the truth. You will always have that guy that says you will need this and need that, that drives a toyota echo, another guy who says you will blow everything up, because everything, does blow up when we all enter a supernova commonly known as a black hole. Put those people aside, and ask yourself what you really want from this.

If you want to turbo charge your car for that extra kick and extra looks on the street, fair enough go get an ebay kit, replace the right bits, talk to the right people, you'll be on your way. But if you want to turbocharge your car because you want to take it to the drags etc, it's another story all together. The more power you want, the less reliability you get, but power also works in ratio of 1:2 (money:power). :P But remember, the harder your car gets pushed, the faster your bits are prone to failing.. Can never be prevented, but can be reduced dramatically.

In my opinion, the only things you need to do are the following, that would "allow" a safer running of a turbo charger on your stock F20C. I'm sure people who already have turbo-charged have their own opinions etc, but here's mine:

- Larger Injectors
- Reputable Turbo charger Unit (w/lines obviously)
- Reputable Waste gate Unit (if your not using an internally gated turbocharger)
- Boost gauge
- Oil temperature gauge
- Fuel Management System with Tune
- Larger Fuel Pump
- Front Mount Inter cooler System
- Turbo Manifold (Closer to OEM material the better, ie. Cast Iron)
- Obviously an intake pipe to hold your air filter

If taken care of properly, you can still run boost with your stock F20C without any problems, given that the initial install was a success (if your a DIYer). The compression is higher than most cars, but that's what makes this application so good. As long as you run safe boost levels and have your gear tuned properly you will not run into problems. I know, because I used to have a high-comp boost motor in my previous car. Been through all this lol

So stop b*tchin about what other people are saying, and go do it to prove all the haters wrong. If it fails, oh well. (jk)

Peace.

[fromdeeeast]

+1 ^^^