Potential issues/problems on a Jazz

[TypeG]

Does Jazz got any potential at all?

[rokkuchan]

I get 'creaking' noises when i turn into driveways in an angle or any humps.
But happen after i upgrade suspension. Is this due to hardening suspension and bending the body??

Can braces fix this? I.e the strut tower/ lower arm brace and rear upper/lower strut brace etc??

The 'creak' noise i really hate, seem like car coming apart...

[TypeG]

LOL
it happens after changing low springs
AND lower too much also make it happen
get some soft shockers and see if it will solve.

[Tofu]

that will always be a problem
getting stiffening bars like the ones you mentioned will make it worse

[VTEC16]

this thread is confusing - are you asking about the potential issues? or if it has any potential?

[TypeG]

sorry for my suck english

"any potential and if yes please list out" is what I am asking

[muli]

lot of resonance seems to travel through the plastic dashboard bits ive noticed but quality is top notch,

more quality issues with honda service than with the actual car

[lovesil]

Sorry! i didn't quite catch the point of this post! Isn't it asking if Jazz has any potential and why are we starting to talk about noise when turning???

[rokkuchan]

i think he meant potential 'issues' /problems with the car.

[terris08]

I think the interior quality of the Jazz that I have got is not as good as the new facelift Jazz since I quite often hear some rattling of the trim around the glove box and dash board. Especially when I speed it up and when I drive through roads that are bumpy. And......

[wyl03]

hhmmm .. my interior (inc dash) is still standing up after 6 mths.. heh.

BUT, but, but .. take note - the rubber seal strip (waterproof seal?) that goes around the boot is really, really thin! i was loading something into the boot the other day and accidentally scraped and TORE part of the strip (around a 3 cm cut) at the bottom of the boot.
man, i couldn't believe how thin the rubber was. you would think it was made of stronger material since it is exposed to loading/movement of heavy material & luggage in and out of the boot.

[TypeG]

What about the CVT gearbox?
I heard some ppl got some problems on this gearbox
anyone?

[terris08]

So far, I still don't have any problem with my CVT but it's not as smooth as I thought I would be

[Oldman]

Does Jazz got any potential at all?
pm sent

[brightboyfree]

So far, I still don't have any problem with my CVT but it's not as smooth as I thought I would be
i have the same issue as u, that's y i've been asked them to change the cvt gear box oil when i done 20000km

which is better after the oil change....:thumbsup:

[terris08]

i have the same issue as u, that's y i've been asked them to change the cvt gear box oil when i done 20000km

which is better after the oil change....:thumbsup:
It is the most obvious sspecially when you suddenly remove your foot from the acceleration pedal. It has the sort of engine break effect which suddenly slow down your car and if you depress the pedal again, it then suddenly 'rock' to accelerate again....:thumbdwn:

So uncomfortable when attending early lectures and stuck in the traffic in which you have to run the car at low speed and start-stop all the time.

[DavidLing]

It is the most obvious sspecially when you suddenly remove your foot from the acceleration pedal. It has the sort of engine break effect which suddenly slow down your car and if you depress the pedal again, it then suddenly 'rock' to accelerate again....:thumbdwn:

So uncomfortable when attending early lectures and stuck in the traffic in which you have to run the car at low speed and start-stop all the time.If u found this happen in a auto Jazz, i think that is normal as another other auto car. Coz' when u are driving in high speed, and suddenly release the acceleration pedal, the computer will help u to change to a lower gear. so u will feel a "sort of engine break effect". Then u press the acceleration pedal again, because the car is still in lower gear, so it give more power to go forward, and it let u feel "suddenly 'rock' to accelerate again"!!

Yes! Jazz is more sensitive then others! i found it change to lower gear faster then other auto car! Sometime it let me feel uncomfortable either!

Acutally, this is the different between driving auto and manual. You can let the auto to change gear (to get more power) by release and then press the acceleration pedal again.

[toE]

edited title to reflect on idea of topic. :)

[civiceg9]

Yeah I heard there are some problems with the CVT while I was oversea.

my friend had to change his Jazz wheel bearing only after 60,000kms
but all cover by warranty hehe.

[terris08]

Oh, I guess not that serious with mine....just a little bit not too smooth, that's all I feel

[Zimp13]

Which oil do u use?? Original Honda??? I found out that with Honda Civic CVT, normal dexron III can actually be used for the Civic CVT instead of the original Honda oil. So what i am thinking why not for Jazz??? Should be the same, both CVT. If can use, then it would be nice cos there are many fully synthetic dexron III gear box oil around.

[ahcash]

Oh, I guess not that serious with mine....just a little bit not too smooth, that's all I feel


Not so smooth as in you can feel the gear change or not smooth as in when you take your foot off the accelerator pedal?

Like I said in one of the thread, I am experiencing this funny noise when in "R" gear when the engine is hot... Getting this looked at Thursday and see what they say. It could be I am a bit over-sensitive.. :D

[ahcash]

Found out that the noise is characteristic of the CVT reverse gear... I am still a bit doubt about it as I can hear some occational squeak noise in reverse gear... Anyway, I am waiting for it to become more constant before I take it back to Honda.

One question though.. I know the red line is at 6500rpm and the car is designed to be rev (vtec) and redlining. I understand that Honda wouldn't have set the redline at 6500rpm if the car is not capable of... BUT... if rev too much between 3500rpm - 6000rpm, will it shorten the life of the tranny or develop more problems with the engine?

[swat]

If u found this happen in a auto Jazz, i think that is normal as another other auto car. Coz' when u are driving in high speed, and suddenly release the acceleration pedal, the computer will help u to change to a lower gear. so u will feel a "sort of engine break effect". Then u press the acceleration pedal again, because the car is still in lower gear, so it give more power to go forward, and it let u feel "suddenly 'rock' to accelerate again"!!

Yes! Jazz is more sensitive then others! i found it change to lower gear faster then other auto car! Sometime it let me feel uncomfortable either!

Acutally, this is the different between driving auto and manual. You can let the auto to change gear (to get more power) by release and then press the acceleration pedal again.


but it happens on me even only 20km/h...........

[vividjazz]

Which oil do u use?? Original Honda??? I found out that with Honda Civic CVT, normal dexron III can actually be used for the Civic CVT instead of the original Honda oil. So what i am thinking why not for Jazz??? Should be the same, both CVT. If can use, then it would be nice cos there are many fully synthetic dexron III gear box oil around.

It says in the manual only use original Honda fluid for the gearbox or YOU WILL GET PROBLEMS. Only use dexron III if can't get the Honda fluid in an absolute emergency and then replace it with Honda fluid as soon as possible afterwards.

I bet alot of Honda dealers don't use the original Honda fluid to increase their profit margin to the detriment of your CVT. Hey it means more money for them when you come back again and again with problems which they can blame on all sorts of things. That's why specialist Honda service centres like Hannys (Sydney) exist for people who have been screwed and tatooed by the Honda dealer service centres.

It also says in the manual that in hot climates 30C+ particularly in Australia change the fluid every 40,000km. Probably worth changing sooner in alot of cases.

[ACE888]

Which oil do u use?? Original Honda??? I found out that with Honda Civic CVT, normal dexron III can actually be used for the Civic CVT instead of the original Honda oil. So what i am thinking why not for Jazz??? Should be the same, both CVT. If can use, then it would be nice cos there are many fully synthetic dexron III gear box oil around.

I was interested in using Castrol Transmax Z ATF (synthetic and Dex III complied) instead of Honda OEM ATF so I contacted Castrol. They advised me they would not recommend Transmaz Z and told me to use Honda ATF.

[ahcash]

I was interested in using Castrol Transmax Z ATF (synthetic and Dex III complied) instead of Honda OEM ATF so I contacted Castrol. They advised me they would not recommend Transmaz Z and told me to use Honda ATF.


WTF... that means we have to use Honda Oil?

[spoon fit]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/hondaemblem.gifhonda atf is ok

[MRFIT]

has anyone here consulted the honda dealer about the viberation noise when the jazz is at 100km/h??? the noise is coming from the gear stick......

i always forget when I bring my car for service.......

anyone?

[crazyray]

yeah i have!
they just tightented some gear ratios and that fixes the problem

[MR Spyder]

The rear wheel bearing has to be changed slightly after 1 year of usage, guys.. Be careful..

[Zimp13]

I was interested in using Castrol Transmax Z ATF (synthetic and Dex III complied) instead of Honda OEM ATF so I contacted Castrol. They advised me they would not recommend Transmaz Z and told me to use Honda ATF.

1. No company wanna take any responsibility
2. I ask honda service dept before... honda use only 1 type of ATF for all of honda cars... even for the cvt.... how does that explain thing then??? cos from wat i know, for the manual one its dexron III as well.... but they use it for CVT as well....
3. Indirectly, in Castrol guideline manual, it stated there that the Transmax Z is suitable for Honda civic CVT. Honda use the same ATF for Civic CVT and Jazz CVT. So y not Tranzmax Z which is recommended for Civic CVT??????
Ask them this then.....

[Andys]

Haven't you guys seen VTEC Club Vol 1 where Mr Ishichima says Honda fluids are OK? :p

Seriously though, isn't the Honda ATF just fine? They developed the CVT specifically to be compatible with the existing Honda ATF which is actually good quality.

I think if you want to baby your car, just change it more frequently than the manual specifies (a whopping 80,000km)

- Andrew

[ahcash]

Happy with the Honda ATF ... :thumbsup:

[Zimp13]

Most ppl are happy with Honda ATF becos they havent tried the fully synthetic ones... a fren of mine started this... he changed from the normal ATF to the fully synthetic one and was surprised of the gain.... anyway happy or not with the Honda ATF is another issue.... we just discussing of whether the aftermarket syntethic one is ok for Honda CVT.....

[Zimp13]

Haven't you guys seen VTEC Club Vol 1 where Mr Ishichima says Honda fluids are OK? :p

Seriously though, isn't the Honda ATF just fine? They developed the CVT specifically to be compatible with the existing Honda ATF which is actually good quality.

I think if you want to baby your car, just change it more frequently than the manual specifies (a whopping 80,000km)

- Andrew

Honda ATF is ok.... but i can say certainly not the best as well.... nothing wrong with exploring by trying different fluids that suits the car.... same as the engine oil as well....

[ahcash]

Yup.. agree with you Mr Zimp13.. :D

The only problem is that (if I am not mistaken), in the manual cleary stated and also Honda is stating that if you use any ATF other than Honda one, they will void the warranty .. whereas with engine oil, they are not that fuss if you use same grade synthetic oil... If anyone is happy to take the risk, they are most welcome to use non-Honda oil.. I am not willing to take the risk. :thumbdwn:

That's why Castrol is backing out as stated by ACE888.. you are right.. no one wants to take responsibility.. even the oil company..



I was interested in using Castrol Transmax Z ATF (synthetic and Dex III complied) instead of Honda OEM ATF so I contacted Castrol. They advised me they would not recommend Transmaz Z and told me to use Honda ATF.

[08ESE]

had mine almost 3 years now. Has not missed a beat!!!

[vividjazz]

Haven't you guys seen VTEC Club Vol 1 where Mr Ishichima says Honda fluids are OK? :p

Seriously though, isn't the Honda ATF just fine? They developed the CVT specifically to be compatible with the existing Honda ATF which is actually good quality.

I think if you want to baby your car, just change it more frequently than the manual specifies (a whopping 80,000km)

- Andrew

80,000km isn't that long. The interval on the ATF on a Ford Falcon is 300,000km. Mind you the oil changes are also only every 20,000km/12 months. Despite this the annual service at Ford costs what 2 services at Honda cost per year.

From what I have read most of the people who have had CVT problems overseas didn't use Honda fluid. Trying other fluids in direct contradiction with the Honda manual seems a very expensive way to try and gain performance. I'd personally rather reliability and can do without a $,$$$ bill.

Honda has tested it. They know it works. Most manufacturers do artificial aged analysis in pre production testing to simulate wear.

[Zimp13]

so why Honda use one same ATF for all of its automatic and even CVT transmission? One for all????

[08ESE]

coz its good?

[vividjazz]

so why Honda use one same ATF for all of its automatic and even CVT transmission? One for all????

Have a look here. You'll see there is not just one real Honda transmission fluid. http://www.honda.co.jp/parts/hop/oil/fluid.html#trans

I'd say the new Honda Ultra Multimatic Fluid would be good for the CVT.

It raises the question why does Honda Australia not provide the proper range of Honda Oils & Fluids?

Mind you these are the same people who rejected bringing in the real Type R integra when the current model was released and rebadged the Type S as an R. Show Honda Australia the aRSe. Honda Australia is the only reason we don't get true JDM product (Honda Japan is always willing to give us the real deal).

[3lusive]

I get 'creaking' noises when i turn into driveways in an angle or any humps.
But happen after i upgrade suspension. Is this due to hardening suspension and bending the body??

Can braces fix this? I.e the strut tower/ lower arm brace and rear upper/lower strut brace etc??

The 'creak' noise i really hate, seem like car coming apart...

Sorry to dig up an old thread..

I just purchased a 2nd hand 2003 Jazz VTIS and have also noticed the above, the rear suspension makes a loud creaking noise every time I enter and exit my drive way. The suspension is standard.

Anyone have any ideas of what might be the problem or any solutions??

Cheers

[kelvinthai]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92468

please do a search.. covered before

[3lusive]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92468

please do a search.. covered before

That's not the same problem

[kelvinthai]

its shouldent be the rear suspension. Given the age i would rather put it as the rear wheel bearing. How many KM have it done?

Unless of course you break the suspension. Give it a check

[4thGenExi]

Mine has done this too and its barely a year old...

[duketing]

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...-jazz-fit.html

[bestjazz101]

i have the same CVT problem its an 07 vtis ...i find its not smooth when im traveling around 50kmph and let go of the accelerator thers a sort of pulling back motion as the revs go down rapidly... i use honda oil and its only done 20000km what should i do? or is it normal for the jazz to do that? helppp needed :)

[preludacris]

anybody had probs with the stock CD player?

my mums and gf's is both stuffing up. 03 and 06 models. reads ERR on the screen and the Cd's get stuck inside, leaving the CD player function useless.

fortunately the 06 model can be replaced under warranty. anybody else have this prob or know how to fix?

[4thGenExi]

I get 'creaking' noises when i turn into driveways in an angle or any humps.
But happen after i upgrade suspension. Is this due to hardening suspension and bending the body??

Can braces fix this? I.e the strut tower/ lower arm brace and rear upper/lower strut brace etc??

The 'creak' noise i really hate, seem like car coming apart...

Mine has bog stock suspension and original 14" OEM wheels and has creaked over sudden bumps/angles since day 1.

Should I be concerned? :confused:

[Kit]

I have had the CVT not being smooth on my 06 VTiS.
mileage currently is 30,000km.

I found that sometimes from a stand still the car has a slight shudder momentarily (the revs drop) and it feels like it might stall before taking off.. this only happens for a split second.
I have found when cruising around 80kmh and feathering the throttle, the revs might drop down to 1000rpm then go back to the cruising speed, and it jerks when it does this.
I have also found that the car seems to roll back on an incline more than when it was new.

At 20,000km Collins honda changed the EGR valve. But the car came back even less smooth.. taking it back a few times they said "they can't find a problem"

At 30,000km service i took it to Rick Damelian; they acknowledged the hesitation and shudder and they changed the CVT oil... seems a bit smoother..
Rick also recommended I change the air filter (cos it was filthy) and also clean the throttle body.
i told them not to change the filter as it was gonna cost $70... I changed to a K&N filter this morning but haven't driven it enough to really tell if it was a dirty air filter causing hesistation, I doubt it though... but see what happens.

Other Jazz problems I've found, the driver's side lock can fail to lock sometimes.. its jsut stuck there, you can't push it down not matter how hard you push... turning the car off and back on will fix this.
The dash lights can play up at times, going dim all of a sudden, banging the dash will fix this.

[Kit]

Also I think all the CVT problems show in that the new model jazz comes with a conventional auto

[62rocket]

I have a March built 2004 Jazz VTIS manual which I have owned since new and has travelled 130,000 kms. The following is a list of what I have had replaced or repaired on the car since ownership:

1. Rear wheel bearings. These are a problem with the GD Jazz and mine were replaced under warranty at about 80,000 kms. If your rear wheel bearings are whining or rumbing when turned whilst the car is on a hoist, your wheel bearings are stuffed. Got it done under warranty, normal cost of supply and fit is about $800!

2. ESP noise. Electric Power Steering makes a very small creeking noise at low speed turns. Had everything lubicated in the steering twice now and noise is still there. very hard to hear but still there. Really this isn't an issue for me.

3. Clutch and Brake pedals rubbers are stuffed. I noticed this at the last service. The brake pedal in particular is worn to the metal on one side. I wrote to Honda Australia and both are being replaced at the next service free of charge as a good will gesture. I personally think brake and clutch pedal rubbers should last more than 5 years of normal driving. I have a 46 year old Valiant that still has it's original pedal rubbers on it with very little signs of wear.

4. One of the front fog lamps has a broken lens. $230 to supply and fit is completely over the top and will not be replaced in my ownership of the car. The lamp still works though but looks ugly.

5. Just noticed the air conditioner compressor is making a high pitched screeching noise upon cold start ups. The noise is gone when the car is warm. Will be getting this looked at next service. Could be just a loose belt or something (I hope....)

Beyond that I still love the car. Got 93,000 kms out of a set of original tyres, 110,000 kms out of a set of front brake pads, still get about 5.5 to 6 litres to the 100kms, interior is awesome and still looks new. Space saver rear spare tyre is a complete death trap if you ever have to use it and I would have expected a full size spare for such a car. I also don't like the way the Jazz doesn't have an engine temperature gauge - just the two 'hot' and 'cold' idiot lights on the dash. The paint and exterior finish on the car is also extremely good and mine has not shown any sign of fade or wear in the finish however the car travels 60kms to work and back each day (garage to under cover carpark) and is very rarely out in the elements for any extended period of time. I am really hoping (with scheduled services every 10000 kms) that I will get 300,000 kms of trouble free motoring before something major goes wrong (motor or gearbox) with the car. At this stage it still drives like new and I have very little doubt the car will make it to 300,000 kms and then it will be traded/sold on a new Jazz...

[fundies]

110,000k's from the front pads:eek: Our jazz vti gets driven pretty slowly, and all we got was 48,000k's. Is your Jazz driven on the freeway a bit ?

Anyway, 50000k's, and all I've done is change the cvt fluid, front pads, filters and thats it. Goes as good as new. Oh, and I didn't do the 40K km's valve clearance check ( engine is quiet as a mouse ), may get it checked at 80K km's when the fuel filter gets changed.

[62rocket]

80% of my driving is to and from work which is basically 90% freeway driving. The pads were stuffed (not down to the wear indicators though) and wouldn't have got to 111,000 kms.

[bc143]

my pad was done on 48000 as well, touch wood other then that so far so good been done 67000 now.
also have to agree on the paint work my friend hv a fd civic and even newer(08) is not as deep gloss as mine (both black) would it be jap paint(mine) n thai paint(his civic)?
as someone mention b4 the dash seems have some resonance problem but minor.
yesterday vac my cer found out the seatbelt is wearing the seat cover esp driver side near seat hinge. damn i like the seat pretty much dun wanna put any seat cover on.
my last car was corolla SX dead on 320000km and just regular service n not much been replace until 310000 many things start to kinda fail so change to this lovely GD3 i doubt this little jazz would hold up until this much k's

[gmonkey]

My biggest problems:

+Interior Panelling doesnt slot together properly in some spots
+When i have a full tank fo fuel it sloshes around every time i stop and its annoying to hear
+Bonnet paint seems very weak/thin as the stone chips are getting more and more
+stock cd player used to swallow cds and took some persuasion for it to give them back
+constantly find something in interior squeaking, first seat belt, then seat rails, then accelerator pedal, now something behind glovebox (nothing wd40 cant fix but..)
+pain in the arse to work under the bonnet (hate having to remove panels in wheel arch or front bumper to get to stuff)


anyway they are my main problems with my jazz

[Catcha]

[quote=62rocket;2178881]I have a March built 2004 Jazz VTIS manual which I have owned since new and has travelled 130,000 kms. The following is a list of what I have had replaced or repaired on the car since ownership:

1. Rear wheel bearings. These are a problem with the GD Jazz and mine were replaced under warranty at about 80,000 kms. If your rear wheel bearings are whining or rumbing when turned whilst the car is on a hoist, your wheel bearings are stuffed. Got it done under warranty, normal cost of supply and fit is about $800!
quote]

I had my wheel bearing go at about 50,000kms had to pay for that as I was just out of warranty....currently on 75,000 still on original pads. other than that its great "touch wood" paint is good, stability of the cars is great steering is good....can't complain....its been a good car beside the bearing.

[gmonkey]

anyone else got the same problem with fuel swoshing around (the noise that is) like i do?? only happens when the tank is near full or full...

[Catcha]

anyone else got the same problem with fuel swoshing around (the noise that is) like i do?? only happens when the tank is near full or full...

yeah but thats the least of your worries.....happens on mine as well

[tinkerbell]

potential issues? yes- the Air Conditioning compressor will fall apart after 3 years...

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac336/tinkerbell987/accompressor.jpg

[NX-687]

Got a Jazz wth 11,000 Ks on and it has a whinning bearing in the gearbox

[NX-687]

If I had bad wheel bearings I would be quite happy ,

that is a minor problem , I have a new Jazz with noisy bearings in the Gearbox , now that is a really expensive problem ,

Honda dont acknowledge that problem , and it has been happening to the Jazz since 2005, or even before that

If you look at the Uk Jazz / fit Forum you will find some good info on jazz gearboxes, a lot more than than in the Australian forum

they go into more detail with Jazz problems