stroked b16a vs b18c2

[anzai]

hi guys, i'm planning on doing an engine conversion on my ek1, either a b16a or b18c2 however the one thing that worries me is if I can't get the engine registered at vicroads, and having to fork out more for engineers certificate etc.

i've heard that it's all luck when you try to register like a b18c in an ek for instance, as they might overlook the fact that the engine code is b18xxx not b16xxx and reckons its the same engine.

im also quite worried as my car is a 2000 model and the engine i can find for the conversion will most likely be from pre-2000.

so im just weighing out the options, if i go with a b16a then registering should technically not be an issue right? as ek4/em1 came with the engine, hence engine year wouldn't matter. but from research i found that b16a lacks torque on bottom end, so ive been speaking to a few people/mechanics and they say get a stroker kit for the b16a, to increase torque and power to match it to a b18c2 sort of figure.

so my question is: in terms of the cost involved, is it worth building a b16a to match the figures of a b18c2? will i end up having to pay more to build the b16a?

i know there's another on this but the answer im looking for isn't there and i dont want to revive a year old thread.

thanks for reading my essay :p

[aznstyler]

Maybe suss out how much it gonna cost for a engineers certificate, what is needed to be done..

[e240]

i've heard that it's all luck when you try to register like a b18c in an ek for instance, as they might overlook the fact that the engine code is b18xxx not b16xxx and reckons its the same engine.


No, its not all luck - Check the VIC Road rules, they do allow a certain capacity increase without the need for an Engineer's cert (at least this is the case in NSW).

[anzai]

No, its not all luck - Check the VIC Road rules, they do allow a certain capacity increase without the need for an Engineer's cert (at least this is the case in NSW).

sorry, i forgot to include the fact that my car is a 2000 model and i'll be most likely be putting in an older model motor. hence the less trouble the better! =)

[ninzee]

na mate, any b16a or b18c2 for that matter will be able to be registered in ur chassis cause b16as were made from 92-00 and the b18c2 i assume was 98-00?
so no worries with the motor older than chassis part

[duckey]

na mate, any b16a or b18c2 for that matter will be able to be registered in ur chassis cause b16as were made from 92-00 and the b18c2 i assume was 98-00?
so no worries with the motor older than chassis part

pretty sure they made early model vtirs start from 1993-1999

[ninzee]

Yea I think ur right I dno much about those engines

[anzai]

na mate, any b16a or b18c2 for that matter will be able to be registered in ur chassis cause b16as were made from 92-00 and the b18c2 i assume was 98-00?
so no worries with the motor older than chassis part

but don't they look at the year the motor was build?

hence they might not do it if for instance im putting a 97 b18cr from an itr to my 00 ek?

[ninzee]

do u really wanna take that chance though cause if they reject you we can safely say u have wasted 5k+

[ninzee]

and btw u can put a 97 b18cr in ur car cause the engine was produced untill 2000
hasnt this been covered a few times before

[anzai]

and btw u can put a 97 b18cr in ur car cause the engine was produced untill 2000
hasnt this been covered a few times before

i think maybe you missed my point.

i understand b18cr was produced until 2000, maybe even 2001 as dc2r are still being made in 2001.

but the fact that im putting a 97 engine into a 00 chassis, im putting an older model engine into a newer chassis, would this be an issue?

or is it fine based on what you have said that because this engine line was produced until later years.

could someone clarify as i'm getting different stories from different people/mechanics.

[newpaddy3]

Mate you obviously want a B18C, just get call up the transport place in VIC and get the requirements needed to upgrade your engine

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?133997-why-would-i-bother-doing-a-b18c-swap-onto-my-ek

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?132556-ek-with-b18cr-0-to-100kph-time

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?126917-brakes-upgrade-for-b18cr

[newpaddy3]

And the problem with putting an older engine in is because of the emissions I believe.

And because they are the same model from 93-00 I dont see any variation in the engine.

And to my extent of knowledge I don't know how they can prove the age of an engine...

[ninzee]

man im 1000000% sure that u can get it registered because my engine is a 92 and my car is a 94 but on their papers the b16a is not a specific year its 92-00 therefore i could register it without hassle the same will apply to the b18cr

[ninzee]

And the problem with putting an older engine in is because of the emissions I believe.

And because they are the same model from 93-00 I dont see any variation in the engine.

And to my extent of knowledge I don't know how they can prove the age of an engine...

every engine has the year of manufacture on it i cant remember what thread but theres pics its just above ur headers if i remember correctly

[newpaddy3]

Than I am slighty confused as to the need of this thread if you already have the information...

[anzai]

right... thanks for clearing that up.

but then again im faced with the issue of dropping an engine with never came with the chassis.

so im still trying to find out if anyone here has a stroked b16a and what sort of costs in involved in comparison to dropping a stock b18c

[anzai]

Than I am slighty confused as to the need of this thread if you already have the information...

haha im the OP not ninzee :p

[ekcoupe]

every engine has the year of manufacture on it i cant remember what thread but theres pics its just above ur headers if i remember correctly

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?125923-How-to-tell-the-year-of-an-engine

[newpaddy3]

90LAN has a spoon 1.8L stoked b16 for $5000 I believe, and that's second hand, so if you can just guess what the cost would be to do it brand new.

I have always been of the belief that stroking an engine is quite expensive, although I have never looked into it deeply.

I also believe that people in VIC can increase the engine displacment (engine conversion or stoker kit) by up to 15% and not require an engineers certificate.

So you could take your EK up to 1.84L

You will need to update your car rego info though and info can be found here

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/PermitsModificationsAndDefects/Modifications/NotifyingVicRoadsOfChangesAndModifications.htm

and here

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/FeesFormsAndFAQs/Forms/RegistrationForms.htm

[newpaddy3]

haha im the OP not ninzee :p

LOL I was just going off avatars and each one has a black car in it, my mistake lol

[ninzee]

right... thanks for clearing that up.

but then again im faced with the issue of dropping an engine with never came with the chassis.

dont quote me but i dont think that is an issue and newpaddy is right about the 15%

ekcoupe thanks for that +1

[newpaddy3]

It is a factor in repalcing engines, you need to get it approved and everything, but if it was a stock engine then all you have to do would be update your engine number.

That's what I got off the VIC roads website anyways, all the info you should need were in those links.

[chauster]

Igor you noob cake.

I has engine in my automobile b18c7 and its an EG not registered. got dicked on the weekend and they didnt check it.

Im pretty sure that you dont need engineering certificate if the engine is 10-15% bigger.
and going d16 to b18 is only 13.333% bigger so you should be able to just go to vicroads and register it.

my EG was GLi so 1.5L and its more than 15% =[

Now you say b16 stroked vs b18c2? Neither, get b18cR. Alot more potential and its not that much more.

[chauster]

Igor you noob cake.

I has engine in my automobile b18c7 and its an EG not registered. got dicked on the weekend and they didnt check it.

Im pretty sure that you dont need engineering certificate if the engine is 10-15% bigger.
and going d16 to b18 is only 13.333% bigger so you should be able to just go to vicroads and register it.

my EG was GLi so 1.5L and its more than 15% =[

Now you say b16 stroked vs b18c2? Neither, get b18cR. Alot more potential and its not that much more.

Btw its what i was told =/

[anzai]

chaus let me go for a drive in ur eg kk

by 'not that much more' are we talking around 2.5k? in my terms thats a LOT more =(

i dont need too much power, just enough so my car would actually move when there's 3 people in it.

once i get off my p's (which is in 2 years), if i keep the ek i'd consider turbocharging it, but til then, i can defs put 2.5k towards other things

and to save people from telling me to sell the ek and get another car, i LOVE my ek to death so no i will NOT change cars because its the cheaper alternative. =)

[dougie_504]

In VIC:

Any non-standard engine that was not offered as an option by the manufacturer in Australian released models will need to be Engineer Cert'd.

If the EK4 and EM1 came with a B16A2, then you can put a B16A2 in your EK etc.

But you cannot put a B18C engine into your EK without a certificate, none of this 10-15% capacity increase stuff. It was never standard in an EK, so it's no good.

A good friend of mine just put a B18C7 into his ED9 CRX and it had to be engineer cert'd. It cost him hundreds for the inspection and they nailed him for his exhaust noise, suspension stiffness, ride height, wheel size etc. They will also check your brakes, your engine mounts and everything to make sure it's safe. You should budget at least $1000 for a certificate as they will always find somebody that should be changed before they sign it off.


I recommend putting a B16A2 into your EK. Try it out first! The B16 is a very fun motor! Obviously it doesn't have as much torque as a B18C, but it's not meant to be driven like that - you're supposed to rev it high if you want to have fun!

[anzai]

In VIC:

Any non-standard engine that was not offered as an option by the manufacturer in Australian released models will need to be Engineer Cert'd.

If the EK4 and EM1 came with a B16A2, then you can put a B16A2 in your EK etc.

But you cannot put a B18C engine into your EK without a certificate, none of this 10-15% capacity increase stuff. It was never standard in an EK, so it's no good.

A good friend of mine just put a B18C7 into his ED9 CRX and it had to be engineer cert'd. It cost him hundreds for the inspection and they nailed him for his exhaust noise, suspension stiffness, ride height, wheel size etc. They will also check your brakes, your engine mounts and everything to make sure it's safe. You should budget at least $1000 for a certificate as they will always find somebody that should be changed before they sign it off.


I recommend putting a B16A2 into your EK. Try it out first! The B16 is a very fun motor! Obviously it doesn't have as much torque as a B18C, but it's not meant to be driven like that - you're supposed to rev it high if you want to have fun!

+1. thanks for clarifying mate. nuff said.

this is the very reason why i'm thinking off a stroked b16a2. do you have any idea what sort of costs is involved? would it be cheaper then dropping a b18c2 and having to fork out extra cash for eng certd?

thanks dougie_504

[ninzee]

In VIC:

Any non-standard engine that was not offered as an option by the manufacturer in Australian released models will need to be Engineer Cert'd.

If the EK4 and EM1 came with a B16A2, then you can put a B16A2 in your EK etc.

But you cannot put a B18C engine into your EK without a certificate, none of this 10-15% capacity increase stuff. It was never standard in an EK, so it's no good.

A good friend of mine just put a B18C7 into his ED9 CRX and it had to be engineer cert'd. It cost him hundreds for the inspection and they nailed him for his exhaust noise, suspension stiffness, ride height, wheel size etc. They will also check your brakes, your engine mounts and everything to make sure it's safe. You should budget at least $1000 for a certificate as they will always find somebody that should be changed before they sign it off.


I recommend putting a B16A2 into your EK. Try it out first! The B16 is a very fun motor! Obviously it doesn't have as much torque as a B18C, but it's not meant to be driven like that - you're supposed to rev it high if you want to have fun!

that doesnt apply to NSW though aye?

[chauster]

Get b16a2. Bore it out, Cams, valve springs, port polish, cam gears, Full forged.

b18c7 eat your heart out.

[anzai]

chaus would you like to donate some $$?

ill provide you with migoreng daily.

[chauster]

buy my car. yours + 10k

[dougie_504]

that doesnt apply to NSW though aye?


No idea mate, sorry!


B16A is a great engine. You don't need to stroke it out. I/H/E will run fine if it's a healthy engine and you can always get more with some head work :)