difference between subframe and tie bar?

[cihanvtec]

whats the difference? are both supposed to be installed or are they pretty much the same thing? als are they hard to install??

[na-118]

subframe is part of the chasis, tie bar is installed by undoing the lca bolt and putting it on

[cihanvtec]

so is it better to get an aftermarket subframe along with a tie bar? thanks heaps btw

[RtN]

usually an aftermarket subframe brace will act as a tie bar. So no need to get tie bar if you are getting ASR or f7 subframe brace. You get subframe braces when you upgrade to a thicker swaybar so that your subframe doesnt rip, it's not just to strengthen the chassis.

[cihanvtec]

ahh i see.. so having one or the other is fine? im thinking of getting a tie bar + sway bar +lca.. but i wasnt sure if i need a subframe brace to go with it..

[na-118]

tie bar does **** all get, subframe brace like asr or whiteline,
no point running big swap bar without brace just gona tear the subfreame

[na-118]

tie bar does **** all get, subframe brace like asr or whiteline,
no point running big swap bar without brace just gona tear the subfreame

[cihanvtec]

hmm fair enough.. thanks for the advice man

[RtN]

So yeh basically:

If your getting 22 or 23mm sway bar then get asr or f7 subframe brace.

if your keeping stock or something like 16mm and if you feel like it then get tie bar. PM me I might have spoon one if you want.

[yellows2k]

Plus tie bar significantly lowers clearance under the car, so if u have a lowered car then u might be scraping on speed bumps. I just got the asr and dc2r rsb. Ideal solution rather than tie bar

[RtN]

rear hardly ever will scrape.. the front tie bar will most probably.

[cihanvtec]

cheers guys.. like yellows2k said, i might go for the asr plus rsb.. does anyone know how many mm the dc2r rsb is?

[yellows2k]

22mm is dc2r

[cihanvtec]

ahh okay cool!!!! i was thinking its 24mm. thanks matee

[RtN]

22mm dc2r and I think 23mm for JDM 98+

[TheSaint]

this all depends on the size of the swaybar

if you are going from no swaybar from factory to a 14mm or 16mm swaybar ... than just get a skunk2 tie brace

if you are going to a type-r 22mm or aftermarket of similar size - definatly get an ASR brace with some HD swaybar mounts so that you do not tare the subframe where the swaybar mounts on

[na-118]

make sure your lcas have bolt holes for the sway bar link

[cihanvtec]

shitt its getting really complicated!! loll how much would hd swaybar mounts and decent aftermarket lcas cost me? ive seen some kits on ebay which include rear camber kit, coilovers and lcas for about $230 all up? i guess you get what you pay for, but whats the worse that can happen with some dodgy stuff (obviously the performance wont be as good, but are they still safe)? i want to do it once and do it right, but a lack of funds is really slowing down the process :( the cars a daily, but i want to track it now and then. ive got a b18c7 scheduled to get dropped in early next year and i want the handling ready for it all. what else should i look into.. what do you guys think is a must have?

[TheSaint]

have you seen my EG8 build? (links in my sig)

its definatly worth a look - i have helped a few guys build similar setups now for B18c swap sedans and hatch's

if your car doesnt have a swaybar at the moment i would start small and get used to the change - going straight to a large swaybar from nothing will probably see you into a tree lol

example:
OEM 14mm swaybar
Skunk2 Lower Control Arms
Skunk2 Tie Brace
OEM Dc2/Em/Ek Front Upper Chassis Brace
2pnt Ultra Racing Front Upper Strut Brace
4pnt Ultra Racing Rear Upper Strut Brace
2pnt Ultra Racing Adjustable floor/room bar (A MUST FOR SEDAN)
2pnt Ultra Racing Front Lower Brace (depends on header clearance - cusco and ebay both provide different solutions here)

add a good spring/shock or coilover combo to that and your sedan will ride nice =)

let my know if you have any questions or need help sourcing any parts

i know alot of tips and tricks with working on the sedans =)

[cihanvtec]

cheers saint, will definately hit you up :)

[jks24]

i run coilovers, strut braces, lca's, ek9 swaybar and asr subframe brace
I had skunk2 lower tie bar but removed it once i installed the asr and ek9 sway..
It is a complete waste of money, its just bling and makes it easier for the cops to defect you for ride height...