Accord Euro 2005 Graphite

[stephen8512]

hey fellas.
i finally purchased the euro (yay!) at Larke Hoskins in Rosebery. Graphite in colour, i got the 2005 luxury model without any extras. just the stuff that comes with it already, like fog lights, HID, 17" rims, etc. seriously, genuine honda parts are so fkn expensive. I was going to get the front/rear lips and sideskirts but it cost $4000 for just those parts. WTF?! :confused:
4 grand for "genuine" honda body parts......ffs.....that pissed me off...
also got the option of getting some paint protection thing? (waxgard) or something.....theres all these other stuff like rust proofing, leather care, etc etc...i spent enuff on the euro as it is

btw, LOC888, i saw your JDM spec euro today parked out front of LH Honda. I gotta say dude, that is one SWEET SWEET ride......if you guys havent seen this guys euro up close, its a gem. seriously. LOC888, if u work there, i bought the euro off Phil. i think he said he knew u or something ^^

Anyways, it should be arriving on the 20th of this month give or take. I want to lower the car, get the mugen bodykit and tint it ASAP. ^^

[Reagan]

sweet i got mine there also
=)

[stephen8512]

btw, does anyone know where i can get the original EURO R grille with the honda badge on it?

[albii]

well done man nice choice the graphite ,for me it was that or satin silver and silver won in the end but graphite looks just as neat.

[baboo]

stephen,

go to your honda parts department and get the bodykit,

I was quoted $2100 for the front, rear and side skirts.

just fit them yourself save you the labour dollar.

[stephen8512]

stephen,

go to your honda parts department and get the bodykit,

I was quoted $2100 for the front, rear and side skirts.

just fit them yourself save you the labour dollar.

hmmm but for 2000+, i can get full mugen kit for about 2500 painted and fitted.....thats what it cost PUM[Z]. i'd rather get that than the OEM bodykit. i had intentions to upgrade to that bodykit later on anyway so no need to waste money right now. plus im not that desperate for the OEM kit. ^^ thanks for the info though

[Pum[Z]]

Congrats to ur new euro Stephen...

Ur gonna love the car...

[CRZYMF]

Hi Stephen,

Congratz on your purchase. Just a quick question, $2500 for a Mugen bodykit, is that a Mugen replica or original made by Mugen? Because that sounds like a pretty good deal if it's original. Also, where were you looking at sourcing the kit and getting it installed and sprayed?

Thanks mate!

[baboo]

Genuine Mugen costs $5000+

[Pum[Z]]

Hi Stephen,

Congratz on your purchase. Just a quick question, $2500 for a Mugen bodykit, is that a Mugen replica or original made by Mugen? Because that sounds like a pretty good deal if it's original. Also, where were you looking at sourcing the kit and getting it installed and sprayed?

Thanks mate!
Yeah as what baboo said it costs $5000+ to get the genuine mugen...

Mine is replica but the workmanship is real good ask PerthEuro on the quality of the mugen kit and it can be said it looks genuine. The only drawback is that its fibreglass and i can't seem to find the real mugen badges for the bodykit arghhhhh

[Slugoid]

Please show us some pics when you get it. I'm really want to see those factory 17" THAT I MISSED OUT ON!! Grrr!!

[yfin]

Please show us some pics when you get it. I'm really want to see those factory 17" THAT I MISSED OUT ON!! Grrr!!
You know 16" does have its benefits too so all is not lost. I also think the full size spare would add about 10kg to the kerb weight of the Euro.

[PERTH_EURO]

']Yeah as what baboo said it costs $5000+ to get the genuine mugen...

Mine is replica but the workmanship is real good ask PerthEuro on the quality of the mugen kit and it can be said it looks genuine. The only drawback is that its fibreglass and i can't seem to find the real mugen badges for the bodykit arghhhhh

I can confirm that the fit and finish on PUM[Z] car is very impressive. :thumbsup:

[CRZYMF]

yfin, you're not wrong about the 16's having its benefits. Odds are I'll replace the standard 17's wheels with another set of aftermarket 17's....something nice and light, maybe Buddyclubs. I've had my run with 18's, my current DC5R has a set of 18x8's and I'm sick of the tyre expense and rough ride. The ride was actually fine when I lowered it (Eibach), but as soon as I changed to 18's that's when I noticed the big difference. Furthermore, often small racey wheels look oh so sweet...how many Jap imports do you see with a set of 16 or 17in Volks and they give an overall impression of "WOW"??? Stacks I say! hehe

I don't know about the full size spare adding 10kg (22lb) though, I doubt the stock wheels weigh that much (stock Honda wheels aren't too badly weighted actually), add to that the fact that you're only adding the difference in weight between the space saver and a full wheel. Downside is that you lose a small amount of boot space, but after seeing this loss of space I'm not too concerned. Either way, stock wheels will always be stock wheels and most of us will only use them when we buy and sell the car, in between most of us will always opt for aftermarket wheels to customise the car to our own taste. :D

[LOC888]

Congrates mate on ur new ride. Good choice of colour! Prob see ya at one of these cruises

[CRZYMF]

Correction (my bad)...

Additional weight =
(weight of full wheel + full tyre) - (weight of space saver wheel + space saver tyre)

Does anyone think the paint protection and interior protection is worth it? When you consider each of these options is about $500 (or less if you haggle), that sorta money can buy you a wealth of high quality car care products. I personally think you're better off spending the money buying new sponges and chamois' more frequently to ensure no dirt/grime rubs the paint work. That an a nice polish like Autoglym should keep your paint looking schmick.

Apologies for the change in topic...you can probably tell that I'm considering trading my DC5R in for an Accord Euro Luxury (6MT). I'm just trying to guage what to include in the package (options etc).

Cheers,
Dale

[EURO MY05]

Nice,

I was also gonna ask the question about the paint protection ie a telfon coating etc cause this site www.waxguard.com.au has telfon coating etc which is suppose to be good so for $500 do you think its worth it and does it really help?

[bigdongers]

It all depends of how long you plan to keep the car and how often you are able to wash it.

If you are keeping the car for less than 4 years or so I would so dont worry about it but if you want to keep it longer, it may be worth it. I know from experience that when the car is new, you tend to wash it often but as the novelty wears off, you wash it less and less. The paint protection normally guarantees that the paint will never fade on you so its kinda like an insurance policy.

[yfin]

yfin, you're not wrong about the 16's having its benefits. Odds are I'll replace the standard 17's wheels with another set of aftermarket 17's....something nice and light, maybe Buddyclubs. I've had my run with 18's, my current DC5R has a set of 18x8's and I'm sick of the tyre expense and rough ride. The ride was actually fine when I lowered it (Eibach), but as soon as I changed to 18's that's when I noticed the big difference. Furthermore, often small racey wheels look oh so sweet...how many Jap imports do you see with a set of 16 or 17in Volks and they give an overall impression of "WOW"??? Stacks I say! hehe

I don't know about the full size spare adding 10kg (22lb) though, I doubt the stock wheels weigh that much (stock Honda wheels aren't too badly weighted actually), add to that the fact that you're only adding the difference in weight between the space saver and a full wheel. Downside is that you lose a small amount of boot space, but after seeing this loss of space I'm not too concerned. Either way, stock wheels will always be stock wheels and most of us will only use them when we buy and sell the car, in between most of us will always opt for aftermarket wheels to customise the car to our own taste. :DHey mate - agree with you totally - that is why I went with lightweight 17" and not cast 18". I would have liked 18" but could not find any forged lightweight ones at the time at the price I was looking at. Re the spare wheel - I weighed the space saver tyre many many months ago - my faint recollection is that it only weighs 8kg. A full sized 16" Euro rim with Dunlop tyre I believe weighs around 17 or 18kg. Someone will correct me if I am wrong but that is my recollection. The space saver is very thin - not much to it at all.

[yfin]

It all depends of how long you plan to keep the car and how often you are able to wash it.

If you are keeping the car for less than 4 years or so I would so dont worry about it but if you want to keep it longer, it may be worth it. I know from experience that when the car is new, you tend to wash it often but as the novelty wears off, you wash it less and less. The paint protection normally guarantees that the paint will never fade on you so its kinda like an insurance policy.
I don't think paint protection is really worth it. Even if you keep the car a long time - you will not get that $500+ back. Ever. Period.

[bigdongers]

I don't think paint protection is really worth it. Even if you keep the car a long time - you will not get that $500+ back. Ever. Period.
what about if your paint fades after 7 years in the sun? a full respray would cost over $2500 which is heaps more than $500. Also all other things equal, a car which has not been polished and wax frequently is gonna have an inferior paint finish than a car with paint protection which is also not waxed frequently. I am sure you would get the $500 back in this instance through a private sale or trade in value cause your paint was in better condition.

[Pum[Z]]

Paint Protection... Blahhhhh!!

I paid $1000 for paint, leather, & vinyl & carpet protection on my honda from the dealers when i purchased the car. They persuaded me to buy it coz i had a black car..

All that protection i think is crap....

The Protection probably on lasted 6 months. That is then i brought the car for its bodykit. Now i'm sure most of the protection is gone... Especially if ur thinking to put a bodykit on ur car don't even worry about paint protection its a waste of money.

Now days i just use meguiars and auto glym products when i wash and clean my car. i still wax my car though even though i got paint protection... But then again i guess its peace of mind as well because its covered by warranty. But will they aknowledge the warranty if ur euro is modded...

[yfin]

what about if your paint fades after 7 years in the sun? a full respray would cost over $2500 which is heaps more than $500. Also all other things equal, a car which has not been polished and wax frequently is gonna have an inferior paint finish than a car with paint protection which is also not waxed frequently. I am sure you would get the $500 back in this instance through a private sale or trade in value cause your paint was in better condition.Hate to break it to you but paint protection is marketing crock. The paint is protected from the factory. Does Honda even offer special paint protection from the factory? Isn't it always a DEALER applied protection with some product made by 3M etc that guarantees no bird poo will damage your car, etc?

There are also plenty of 7 year old Hondas that have no sun fade and didn't get paint protection. If you want to protect a car from sun fade paint protection will not help you - you need to avoid the sun. Wash the car regularly and keep the car covered where possible with a cover, carport, sun sail, etc. It is your $500 but I think it is total marketing bs.

[CRZYMF]

I've never really had a problem with Honda and the warranty (I know a lot of people say otherwise). For example, one of my "heavy" friends ripped my passenger side Recaro seat with one of those studs on his jeans, and even though technically this should not be covered by warranty as it wasn't faulty workmanship or a faulty part, the boys at Honda were nice enough to replace that $300 part for free.

One other thing to take note of when you're talking about paint protection is that as soon as a part of your car has been resprayed (due to an unforseen accident for example), they will pretty much void the warranty on all your paint. Just remember, all it takes is some a$$hole to key your car and you'll need a respray, in which case I'd rather have that $500 spent on paint protection to cover part of a respray (speaking from experience, this unfortunately happened to me :( ). By the way, I hope this never happens to any of you...you know that sense of loss where your heart drops to your feet?...well that's what it feels like!!! Not to mention the dent in your bank account.

In regards to the interior protection, this is nothing more than one of those leather care kits which you can apply yourself and be confident that you covered every last centimetre of your interior. I spoke to a Honda service centre today to confirm this.

My 2 rupees worth...

By the way, I spoke to a salesmen from Larke in Roseberry today, and without me even trying, he said he'd do a Manual Euro Luxury for $41K onroad (this offer was over the phone). My aim is to get a changeover price of $7K when trading my DC5R. It's only done 27500kms, and has a number of mods which of course I'll remove before getting it valued (unfortunately mods reduce the value of a trade in). Anyways, mods include Eibach springs, 18in Mako rims, A'PEXi Power Intake, 2.5in stainless steel exhaust, carbon fibre bonnet, to name a few. As this will become a sought after car, I'm hoping they'll be reasonable on a trade price. Add to that the customer loyalty of buying another Honda (and maybe from the same dealer).

[CRZYMF]

yfin is right, look after your car properly and your paint will last. Spend your money on quality car care products (Autoglym and Meguiars) and replace your sponge/chamois often enough and you'll be right.

yfin, a quick question (off topic), what do you think of your Falken 512's? Below is a list of some of the tyres I have tried:

Falken FK451
Bridgestone Potenza GIII
Pirelli Pzero
BF Goodrich G-Force Sport

I think the next set of tyres I get will be the Yokohama AVS ES100 or maybe the Eagle F1 GSD3's (unfortunately the tyre size range of the GSD3 isn't that great... they don't even come in 225/40R18).

[yfin]

yfin is right, look after your car properly and your paint will last. Spend your money on quality car care products (Autoglym and Meguiars) and replace your sponge/chamois often enough and you'll be right.

yfin, a quick question (off topic), what do you think of your Falken 512's? Below is a list of some of the tyres I have tried:

Falken FK451
Bridgestone Potenza GIII
Pirelli Pzero
BF Goodrich G-Force Sport

I think the next set of tyres I get will be the Yokohama AVS ES100 or maybe the Bridgestone S03's.
This is what I posted previously about 512s. They are good value and cheap for a silica tyre made in Japan. I have unfortunately feathered them a bit now (done about 15000kms on them) due to a few recent trips to the Reefton Spur - there is almost 30kms of constant twisty turns and it is very hard on tyres. I have heard the S03 are fantastic but wear fast.

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Gday - a couple of things. First, they are really good in the dry - you will be happy with them. I can't get the Euro to break away (ie slide) around corners in the dry front or rear. The tyres will protest and squeal but the grip in the dry is beyond the speeds I can lawfully go - they refuse to break away...

Anyway - they are more of a luxury sports tyre though (eg suited for a Toyota Soarer V8) rather than an all out performance tyre (eg Porsche Boxter). They have some flex in the side walls when pushed hard (similar to the stock Dunlops).

The tread wear is really good. I have 10k on mine and guaging by the tread depth they look like they will last at least another 30k (so around 40k-55kin total). Not bad at all. The edges of the tyres are showing wear from the way I corner - but hey - so did my stock Dunlops with 3500kms on them. :D

They have a really good alloy wheel protector which has come in handy. It sticks out far from the tyre and is a must have if you have aftermarket rims.

It is all about compromise I guess. I wanted something with decent wear, quiet, and decent performance too. Overall they are good value - made in Japan - silica compound - fairly keenly priced. Wet weather - nothing special.
Would I buy them again? Probably not - not because they are bad (they are good) - I am just the kind of person who likes to try different things.

Hope this helps

[coladuna]

Hate to break it to you but paint protection is marketing crock.
Totally agree. I can't believe people still fall for this marketing non-sense.
Just wash and wax your car regularly and your paint will be fine for many years to come. Probably longer then you'd like to keep your car anyway.

[SeraphimX]

I've never really had a problem with Honda and the warranty (I know a lot of people say otherwise). For example, one of my "heavy" friends ripped my passenger side Recaro seat with one of those studs on his jeans, and even though technically this should not be covered by warranty as it wasn't faulty workmanship or a faulty part, the boys at Honda were nice enough to replace that $300 part for free.

One other thing to take note of when you're talking about paint protection is that as soon as a part of your car has been resprayed (due to an unforseen accident for example), they will pretty much void the warranty on all your paint. Just remember, all it takes is some a$$hole to key your car and you'll need a respray, in which case I'd rather have that $500 spent on paint protection to cover part of a respray (speaking from experience, this unfortunately happened to me :( ). By the way, I hope this never happens to any of you...you know that sense of loss where your heart drops to your feet?...well that's what it feels like!!! Not to mention the dent in your bank account.

In regards to the interior protection, this is nothing more than one of those leather care kits which you can apply yourself and be confident that you covered every last centimetre of your interior. I spoke to a Honda service centre today to confirm this.

My 2 rupees worth...

By the way, I spoke to a salesmen from Larke in Roseberry today, and without me even trying, he said he'd do a Manual Euro Luxury for $41K onroad (this offer was over the phone). My aim is to get a changeover price of $7K when trading my DC5R. It's only done 27500kms, and has a number of mods which of course I'll remove before getting it valued (unfortunately mods reduce the value of a trade in). Anyways, mods include Eibach springs, 18in Mako rims, A'PEXi Power Intake, 2.5in stainless steel exhaust, carbon fibre bonnet, to name a few. As this will become a sought after car, I'm hoping they'll be reasonable on a trade price. Add to that the customer loyalty of buying another Honda (and maybe from the same dealer).

Dude...type R is such a nice car, why do you wanna sell it??

About paint protection, one of my friends bought a type R for 51K inc paint protection, is that what you can expect to pay??

[CRZYMF]

Wow, $51K is too much (no offense or anything). I bought my Type R (with climate control air conditioning which was an option when I bought it, not standard) for $46K on road. Admittingly I didn't get the paint protection, just got the proper Type R carpet mats. There weren't really any other options other than tints which I did aftermarket for half the price.

The deal I got was probably a rare one, but what I did was waited till about 2 weeks before the end of month, gave them a ridiculously low offer which of course they turned down. One week later when it's close to the end of month and they need to meet their sales targets, they called me back and said "I'm sure we can work something out". In the end my offer stood and they accepted. It's simply a game of patience, and playing dealers against each other. Ultimately you are the one who's going to benefit from playing hardball, so I say why not be firm about it. What the worst that can happen?

In regards to why I'm selling, it's mainly for change without too much change. It's hard to go past Honda's quality and reliability. I've had my car for almost 3 years now and there's some pretty good deals going on at the moment. It's time for me to go for a sporty luxury car with all the comfy perks. The Type R is a brilliant car, great driving dynamics and performance, but the tradeoff is a relatively rough ride and not too many creature comforts. I'm sure in a few years time I'll probably go back to a performance car, but for now I'm after a change, something that I can take holidaying. The Type R's Recaro's are pretty tight and the rough ride means you pretty much want to pull over after a couple of hours. Hopefully my car will sell for a good price due to its very low k's (27500) and the fact that Type R's are no longer sold in Australia (although the new Type S performs just as well).

[SeraphimX]

Wow, $51K is too much (no offense or anything). I bought my Type R (with climate control air conditioning which was an option when I bought it, not standard) for $46K on road. Admittingly I didn't get the paint protection, just got the proper Type R carpet mats. There weren't really any other options other than tints which I did aftermarket for half the price.

The deal I got was probably a rare one, but what I did was waited till about 2 weeks before the end of month, gave them a ridiculously low offer which of course they turned down. One week later when it's close to the end of month and they need to meet their sales targets, they called me back and said "I'm sure we can work something out". In the end my offer stood and they accepted. It's simply a game of patience, and playing dealers against each other. Ultimately you are the one who's going to benefit from playing hardball, so I say why not be firm about it. What the worst that can happen?

In regards to why I'm selling, it's mainly for change without too much change. It's hard to go past Honda's quality and reliability. I've had my car for almost 3 years now and there's some pretty good deals going on at the moment. It's time for me to go for a sporty luxury car with all the comfy perks. The Type R is a brilliant car, great driving dynamics and performance, but the tradeoff is a relatively rough ride and not too many creature comforts. I'm sure in a few years time I'll probably go back to a performance car, but for now I'm after a change, something that I can take holidaying. The Type R's Recaro's are pretty tight and the rough ride means you pretty much want to pull over after a couple of hours. Hopefully my car will sell for a good price due to its very low k's (27500) and the fact that Type R's are no longer sold in Australia (although the new Type S performs just as well).

51k too much...agreed definitely, he bought his when it first came out. Doesn't the type s have more power than the R??

Hehe I'm in sorta the same position as you, but the car I bought was a celica 2nd hand for 30k 2 yrs ago, hope to not lose too much it is 2000 model has 43k on the odo, reason I'm selling it is well I feel the euro is good value for money and more practical/sensible. Thinking of springing for a brand new 2005 lux, but now there are so many euros around; buying a used one seems so tempting... :)

[CRZYMF]

I also bought mine when it first came out :D ...well within the first few months anyway.

Yep the Type S has a bit more power and very similar torque, but no substantial gain really...Honda achieved this with a new exhaust system that increased flow by 10%, and slightly different internals (you can pretty much get the same power out of the Type R with minimal mods). The best benefit is the lesser torque steer and the comfier seats (the Recaros can get really uncomfortable after a while, though they do a very good job of keeping you in your seat). I'd be concerned about the sunroof on the Type S, Type R is all about handling, and a sunroof adds significant flex to a chassis that really needs to be stiff.

To me the Type R will always be king (even if it's not Jap spec), whether it be a Civic Type R, DC2R, DC5R, or any other R-rated Honda. The original always has that sense of being a classic. Excuse me for being a bit overprotective of a motoring icon :rolleyes:

[CRZYMF]

By the way, when I was talking about lesser torque steer and comfier seats, I was referring to the Type S. I agree that a stock Type S is mechanically better than a stock Type R (OZ spec). Don't worry, I try to remain objective at all times :thumbsup:

[SeraphimX]

I also bought mine when it first came out :D ...well within the first few months anyway.

Yep the Type S has a bit more power and very similar torque, but no substantial gain really...Honda achieved this with a new exhaust system that increased flow by 10%, and slightly different internals (you can pretty much get the same power out of the Type R with minimal mods). The best benefit is the lesser torque steer and the comfier seats (the Recaros can get really uncomfortable after a while, though they do a very good job of keeping you in your seat). I'd be concerned about the sunroof on the Type S, Type R is all about handling, and a sunroof adds significant flex to a chassis that really needs to be stiff.




To me the Type R will always be king (even if it's not Jap spec), whether it be a Civic Type R, DC2R, DC5R, or any other R-rated Honda. The original always has that sense of being a classic. Excuse me for being a bit overprotective of a motoring icon :rolleyes:


I'd rather a type R than a type S, Recaro Seats = Good and the lights were better, the new S lights make it look like a civic..

I'm in Singapore right now on hols, seen a few JDM Type R DC5s (225hp stock) and a few 7th gen CTRS JDM, the CTRs especially are so nice.... Ima gonna get one when I get back next time! :)

[CRZYMF]

Back to the paint protection topic, I was checking out the NRMA website today (don't ask me why), and even they say paint protection is a complete waste of money. Considering this is a motoring body that is supposed to be protecting the consumer, I guess we should take it seriously. But lets still hate them when it comes to insurance :D .

Check out the "Optional Extras" section half way down the page http://www.mynrma.com.au/new_car_hand.asp

SeraphimX, I'd rather my DC5R over a Type S anyday also...it's going to be sad to see it go. I gave it a final clean up tonight, ready for valuing tomorrow for trading in.

[eknine]

JDM spec euro
JDM euro in australia, i feel like i'm living in japan already :D