Handling ability between a FTO and DC2R

[lovesil]

Just a quick question on everyone's impression! Hopefully, i wouldn't get a biased answer! Comparing to a FTO, i'm pretty sure that a Type R will win in straight line, however FTO is also known for it's handling, but how does it compare with a Type R! I'm talking about the post 97 FTO with LSD.

[bennjamin]

*unbiased opinion*

And...are we talking of dc2 or dc5 ?

The FTO has a 2.0l 6 cylinder up front - while small capacity im sure its pretty heavy ( correct me if wrong) so i think around the corners - the Type R would be winner by default with lighter 1.8l + large rear swaybar etc.

*here is my bias opinion*
Ive driven a semi auto 2.0 mivec fto awhile ago - it didnt set my world on fire anywhere as much as a dc2r :)

[aznluder]

if its a manual GPX mivec 97 model..they go pretty damn hard...would give the type R a good run...but the type R is built for track and would beat it in any race

[kenshin]

my mate has a 97 spec silver mivec FTO.... he beats me 1st gear as its 2litre engine has more torque (not much half a car length or so) ... but 2nd 3rd 4th 5th is all mine :D

around corners no contest...

our boss have driven both and his honest opinion were both cars are quickish (comin from a guy who has a >550kw r33 GTR) but the integra has better cornering and brakes :)

[pornstar]

550kw? what times does he post?

[edw-R]

i owned FTO GPX before. I don't like FTO. Can't give me confidence.

[toE]

BMI did some race that included both cars that you are talking about.

And the R won straight out by 2/3 positions.

However, I'm not saying that BMI is the bible, but just look at it as a reference guide. :)

[kenshin]

550kw? what times does he post?
lazy 11s... high 10s

he drives a merc now... GTR is his toy... wish i was able to afford 2 cars... :(

[TODA AU]

The Mitsubishi FTO is a hair dresser's car.

[91'lude]

The Mitsubishi FTO is a hair dresser's car.
Thats a pritty lame comment.

Everyone says that about my prelude :( *here it comes again*

[ginganggooly]

say what you will, they've got a bloody nice engine note... i hear that the gp version r gets along okay too.

[kenshin]

isnt it GPx ? gp r?

[Speeder]

the gpr i think was the facelifted version of the gpx, with a few tweeks here and there, they have a bigger wing, and the foglights at the front are round. they look pretty nice actually, but ive only seen one on the road, as they are pretty rare compared to the older ftos.

[lovesil]

GPvR Aero FTO is the best and the last breed! They are a light weight version of normal FTO with all the extra goodies like sport bucket seat (something like the type R's), LSD, traction control, HID, 5 speed tiptronic (don't know about manual form).... It's seriously rare in aust!

[Bludger]

Prelude and FTO are not hairdressers cars, one car that is is the Toyota paseo....................loooool

[sharik]

DC2R over FTO any day or time of the human race:rolleyes:

[vti-2]

The Mitsubishi FTO is a hair dresser's car.
I've heard the same being said about Honda's Integra. But that is beside the point.

Honestly, all childish comments aside, let's keep this on topic.

[gelo]

BMI did go a fto gpx vs dc2r

i think it could be close if u put the version R with the dc2r together in a race

[SiR JDM]

theLilke Lovesil mentioned the FTO GP-R is a limited edition *Type R* version of the FTO. It definatly comes in manual, as my friend owns one.. they are a pretty quick car..!

[dc2r]

simple...

DC2R will rape FTO (all models) in both track and quarter mile
They don't call DC2R the best handling FWD in the world for nothing...

[lovesil]

hmm....not really Sir JDM! Because i had a offer from a guy in FTOAustralia.com with his FTO. And his FTO is a real Type R version FTO with 5 speed tiptonic! Unless you mean it also come with manual form......if yes, then pls disregard this posting then!


theLilke Lovesil mentioned the FTO GP-R is a limited edition *Type R* version of the FTO. It definatly comes in manual, as my friend owns one.. they are a pretty quick car..!

[SiR JDM]

Lovesil, in your original post you said your not sure if they come in manual form..

I replied saying they definatly DO, because my friend OWNs one, it even haz a RAZO gearknob :p

[ginganggooly]

fark there are some competitive ****s around... lol
try to NOT worry about that what is faster than what, because there is always something a little faster. look instead for what you are after in the car. if the engine note, styling and individuality of the vehicle are more important to you, then maybe you'd preffer the fto.

i mean, if were interested in having tactile controls and a real darty, directional front end, you'd deffinately FEEL that a peugeot 306 handles "better" than the type-r.

lastly, don't forget that most honda drivers are living in denial... ;)

[lovesil]

i know what you mean ginganggooly! the very initial reason for me to start this thread is i'm confusion if i would go for type r or FTO as my next car. But throughout these time, i have settle down for a DC2R.

Also, no doubt that 306 might handle better than Type R for a FF car, but it will never match a Type R's speed! To me, i think Type R is the best all rounder!

[EK9]

hmm... are u talking about a pug 306?

not being biased or anything, but wot makes u say that it handles better then a type r for a FF car??? i agree that the itr is "the bess FF handling car in the world", but never have i heard or seen anyone compare a 306 to an itr... let alone say it handles better! Lol... Please correct me if i'm assuming wrong :D

[Sp3rMz]

Also, no doubt that 306 might handle better than Type R for a FF car, but it will never match a Type R's speed! To me, i think Type R is the best all rounder!
WWWWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!

[lovesil]

chill out guys! it's ginganggooly who said that! And as far as i know, 306 is pretty famous in Europe for its handling capability! Therefore, i said "Might" and "No doubt" in my reply!

[Sp3rMz]

Civic type R in europe would have much better handling then the 306 too. Sorry i don't know what to say. Pretty shocked when I hear u comparing type R to 306, they saying it might even be better. I've never heard those cars being compare before but NO NO NO.

[EK9]

LOL, we are relaxed :D nah was just suprised at that comment... didn't c gingangooly's one. but i get wot ur referring to now... he was talking about a front end kinda point and shoot handling... but then again the itr feels exactly like that, is more well balanced, so i would think it'll handle and "feel" better then a 306... btw, i luv the 306, was gonna get one. i luv hot hatches! :D


Also, no doubt that 306 might handle better than Type R for a FF car, but it will never match a Type R's speed! To me, i think Type R is the best all rounder!
yeah, u said "might" and "no doubt" but read it again! LOL. sounds like u saying "the 306 might handle better then type r, no doubt" :p

anyway this goin off topic... back to fto.

[ginganggooly]

LOL, we are relaxed :D nah was just suprised at that comment... didn't c gingangooly's one. but i get wot ur referring to now... he was talking about a front end kinda point and shoot handling... but then again the itr feels exactly like that, is more well balanced, so i would think it'll handle and "feel" better then a 306... btw, i luv the 306, was gonna get one. i luv hot hatches! :D


yeah, u said "might" and "no doubt" but read it again! LOL. sounds like u saying "the 306 might handle better then type r, no doubt" :p

anyway this goin off topic... back to fto.
i don't know what 306's you've been driving me old china, but the gti6, s16 and xsi's that i drove leave any honda for dead in terms of steering feel and on road body composure. in fact, hondas have shithouse steering feel, they're famous for it. if you drove both back to back (as i did in the case of a 306 gti6) you'd see what i mean. i don't know what they'd be like on the track, but they certainly feel more fun to chuck around on the street, despite the primative rear suspension setup.

[ginganggooly]

Civic type R in europe would have much better handling then the 306 too. Sorry i don't know what to say. Pretty shocked when I hear u comparing type R to 306, they saying it might even be better. I've never heard those cars being compare before but NO NO NO.obviously you've had extensive time analysing the performance, feel and datalogging both cars around silverstone (sarcasm is intentional).

does green mean your a moderator?

seriously, i'd expect a moderator to not have such a bad case of denial. that has to be one of the single most ill informed comments i've had the displeasure of reading on these forums. *clap clap* well done mate. :rolleyes:


of course, if you have indeed partaken in the aformentioned analysis, i make a full and humble appology ;)

[joneblaze]

obviously you've had extensive time analysing the performance, feel and datalogging both cars around silverstone (sarcasm is intentional).

does green mean your a moderator?

seriously, i'd expect a moderator to not have such a bad case of denial. that has to be one of the single most ill informed comments i've had the displeasure of reading on these forums. *clap clap* well done mate. :rolleyes:


of course, if you have indeed partaken in the aformentioned analysis, i make a full and humble appology ;)ROFL.... :rolleyes:

[Sp3rMz]

No problems bro. Acutally sorry for your displeasure. Truth is its the first time i've heard such comprassion and it took me by suprise. Honest truth i wouldnt have a clue how a 306 handling is like. The comment of european CTR came from Top Gear, i automatically assumed it was the top handling car by the way they were hyping about it and maybe miss heard what they said. My comments have not come from personal denial but rather from other peoples hype about tegs is the best handling and also from me owning one myself. Sorry once again for your displeasure and misleading anyone else whom read what i said.

[joneblaze]

No problems bro. Acutally sorry for your displeasure. Truth is its the first time i've heard such comprassion and it took me by suprise. Honest truth i wouldnt have a clue how a 306 handling is like. The comment of european CTR came from Top Gear, i automatically assumed it was the top handling car by the way they were hyping about it and maybe miss heard what they said. My comments have not come from personal denial but rather from other peoples hype about tegs is the best handling and also from me owning one myself. Sorry once again for your displeasure and misleading anyone else whom read what i said..... a humble man.... = :thumbsup:

[monstaR]

i don't know what 306's you've been driving me old china, but the gti6, s16 and xsi's that i drove leave any honda for dead in terms of steering feel and on road body composure. in fact, hondas have shithouse steering feel, they're famous for it. if you drove both back to back (as i did in the case of a 306 gti6) you'd see what i mean. i don't know what they'd be like on the track, but they certainly feel more fun to chuck around on the street, despite the primative rear suspension setup.
Hey mate, you seem to have alot of valet experience....... :D
Action speak louder than words:rolleyes:

[ginganggooly]

No problems bro. Acutally sorry for your displeasure. Truth is its the first time i've heard such comprassion and it took me by suprise. Honest truth i wouldnt have a clue how a 306 handling is like. The comment of european CTR came from Top Gear, i automatically assumed it was the top handling car by the way they were hyping about it and maybe miss heard what they said. My comments have not come from personal denial but rather from other peoples hype about tegs is the best handling and also from me owning one myself. Sorry once again for your displeasure and misleading anyone else whom read what i said.
i guess my comments appear harsher than they should. :o

i don't doubt the brilliance of the euro ctr- but you really do need to have a quick fang in a peugeot. i'm not saying the peugeot is superior, just pointing out that you shouldn't be so shocked at the comparison, nor should you be writing it off so easily.
if you are into the euro magazines, it's worth noting that evo placed the clio sport 180 rs, or whatever the fudge it is, ahead of the euro ctr in some comparo a while back... i've never driven a clio sport, or a euro civic type-r so any feelings that i harbour towards either car are based on magazine ho ha. i did however, have a good drive of the peugeot's and a few hondas before settling on the integra. in a way, i regretted my purchase... i thought that just fixing up the suspension to type-r spec would make it more enjoyable than the peugeot, it didn't. and having driven type-r's in small doses (only on the street mind you) they don't give me the same urge to throw the car at roundabouts that the peugeots did.

i'm just illustrating the point that the whole best handling fwd debate is not exactly a done deal in favour of honda :)

[Bludger]

think of it like this..... ITR is no doubt the best handling fwd car around, but its a small to medium car....... way bigger than the petite and nimble 306.
urban & mountainous roads, i reckon ITR would beat the 306..... not by alot, just a lil bit. but say put them both in the cbd and make them race from point A to point B........ i reckon 306 would out class the ITR in that comparison.
i've never driven the 306 but can sure appreciate its petiteness and nimbleness around the urban jungle. that said, lets just say the're both great cars

[mpd076-chuck]

My 2 cents...

I get to drive both a DC2R (mine) and 206 GTi(my works). I would say the 206 GTi has better steering `feel', better turn-in and better composure in corners. It really is chuckable and fun to drive. The DC2R has MUCH better brakes, better acceleration, better gearbox, better driving position, and good traction out of corners. I have a driven a 306 xsi? and it felt pretty similar to the 206. The pug's just have terrible driving positions, especially if you are tall.

As for FTO, its a good car, but I reckon the DC2R wins stock for stock in braking, straightline and cornering grip.

[Bludger]

civic ........... in my books is just a shopping trolley with a motor
it was made for mums and intended as a decent run-a-bout
DC2 was definitly intended to be a sports car
DC5 was intended to be a sports car but they made the mistake of basing the chassis on a shopping trolley ( ie. DC5 is civic platform)

[ginganggooly]

My 2 cents...

I get to drive both a DC2R (mine) and 206 GTi(my works). I would say the 206 GTi has better steering `feel', better turn-in and better composure in corners. It really is chuckable and fun to drive. The DC2R has MUCH better brakes, better acceleration, better gearbox, better driving position, and good traction out of corners. I have a driven a 306 xsi? and it felt pretty similar to the 206. The pug's just have terrible driving positions, especially if you are tall.

As for FTO, its a good car, but I reckon the DC2R wins stock for stock in braking, straightline and cornering grip.
the thing that blew me away about the pugs was the compromise they struck between ride and composure. they felt about as tied down as a type-r, but the ride quality felt alot better...

[Sp3rMz]

civic ........... in my books is just a shopping trolley with a motor
it was made for mums and intended as a decent run-a-bout
DC2 was definitly intended to be a sports car
DC5 was intended to be a sports car but they made the mistake of basing the chassis on a shopping trolley ( ie. DC5 is civic platform)So your tellin me a CTR is a shoppin trolley? Thats the most "UNPLEASUREABLE" thing i have heard or read.

[ginganggooly]

civic ........... in my books is just a shopping trolley with a motor
it was made for mums and intended as a decent run-a-bout
DC2 was definitly intended to be a sports car
DC5 was intended to be a sports car but they made the mistake of basing the chassis on a shopping trolley ( ie. DC5 is civic platform)
how about you take a look under a "shopping trolly" eg and a "sports car" dc2 and tell me if you see some similarities there...

[EK9]

i don't know what 306's you've been driving me old china, but the gti6, s16 and xsi's that i drove leave any honda for dead in terms of steering feel and on road body composure. in fact, hondas have shithouse steering feel, they're famous for it. if you drove both back to back (as i did in the case of a 306 gti6) you'd see what i mean. i don't know what they'd be like on the track, but they certainly feel more fun to chuck around on the street, despite the primative rear suspension setup.wot does "me old china mean"? LOL...

well, i'm not an expert, but i know how good the ol 306's were, especially the gti6 cos that's the exact one i was looking for a while back (too expensive then). alot of honda's do have a crappy steering feel, i agree but i can't say the same for an itr... completely different imo. then again, i've never seen mags/etc compare an itr to a 306 since they're different in class and body shape, so we'll never know ;)

anyways, i'm goin off topic AGAIN! my bad...

[EK9]

civic ........... in my books is just a shopping trolley with a motor
it was made for mums and intended as a decent run-a-bout
DC2 was definitly intended to be a sports car
DC5 was intended to be a sports car but they made the mistake of basing the chassis on a shopping trolley ( ie. DC5 is civic platform)dude your gonna get eaten alive saying things like this... :rolleyes:

look at it this way, all cars were made for a certain "market" and many were factory modified for a totally different market. generally it would be too expensive to build a sports car from the bottom up when you have a perfectly good chasis to work with - think civic and ctr.

that said, u can also call the bmw 3 series a shopping trolley made to drive old rich guys around... and so is the M3. :D

Sorry, last time i'm going O/T, i promise!

[Sp3rMz]

I know its been a good discussion but can we please get back onto the topic of Type R vs Fto Handling. Thank You

-Tien

BTW Vinh Mod yourself please :p

[DOHCVTEC]

Actually I've read a review of HK Car and driver comparing the Celica 99', FTO, ITR DC2 and 206 Gti in 1999.

They said the ITR DC2 is the best handling one out of all, while the 206 and FTO is more suitable for daily use (they set up is said to be less extreme too). In their opinion, the Type R has better balance and cornering grip than the 206 Gti and could carry more speed into and out of corners, while the 206 is more all all-rounded in terms of handling/ride. Fto is less nimble than the 206 Gti but it has much more power.

[Bludger]

on topic - i don't know how FTO drives
off topic - sorry, just my personal thoughts on the civic, eat me if you want. I'm sweet. The civic and DC2 are similar cos they are both Honda........ still a shopping trolley to me :P but you know DC2 owns all

[IRI]

FTO-Drove a friends bout a year ago, doesnt go anywhere near as good as it looks like it should go..... (i'd compare it with a ford cougar)

305GTI6 - The first manual car i ever drove (3 years ago). It was a while ago now but from what i remeber that it had awesome midrange compared to dc2r and also had a really heavy clutch. But didnt make that good of an impression coz i obviously bought a dc2r....

DC2R - Great sports car, easy to drive, looks farking awesome. Great feeling gearbox.... But still not the be all and end all like some people seem to think...

[Xenon]

civic ........... in my books is just a shopping trolley with a motor
it was made for mums and intended as a decent run-a-bout
DC2 was definitly intended to be a sports car
DC5 was intended to be a sports car but they made the mistake of basing the chassis on a shopping trolley ( ie. DC5 is civic platform)
Umm doesnt the dc2 and the EG civics share the same platform too????? :rolleyes:

[JINRAI]

DC5 on a Civic platform? u gotta be kiddin' me

nuff said...back on topic...DC2 > FTO

[spoondc2]

DC5 on a Civic platform? u gotta be kiddin' me

nuff said...back on topic...DC2 > FTO
It's true....... DC5R and EP3 use the same platform........

[JINRAI]

It's true....... DC5R and EP3 use the same platform........
yea sorry my bad...wasn't thinkin...was cheez with the shoppin trolley coment :)

[Sp3rMz]

Hey guys please keep replies to the topic. "Handling ability between a FTO and DC2R". Althought it was uncalled for comments and alsot he debate between 306 Vs. Type R is very interesting, it is not helping the user answer his question.

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[[[d a n n y]]]

the GP ver R are pretty quik.

[kenshin]

think its not worth discussing... so far 100% of comments have been that the ITR handles far better... the only thing worth discussing is acceleration from a standing start...

[jonotan]

Hey guys,

I dont know how good a stock FTO handles..
but i own a FTO GPX with Teins, front sway bar and strut bars all around and also 17's

Handling wise, it really sticks to the road without any nervousness especially though mountain roads. i havent driven a dc2r yet. so i cant really compare...but i driven Rx8's and 350z's. and my fto will out handle them... i think the stock FTO is aimed for city streets, thus suspension settings are on the softer side. what id like to see is a lightly tuned dc2r vs lightly tuned FTO.

[jonotan]

actually,

how about a gt3 race between dc2r and fto GPR, do a suspension setup... and race
:P

[kenshin]

hmmm u got a FTO but ur quip says Car: integra ... what gives???

i'll meet ya on mt akina 12pm tonite ok lah?

[jonotan]

haha sure man, cep intial d doesnt have FTO! :(

[NeoNode]

jonotan as in tailzonline jonotan aye.

[jonotan]

huh ?i dont get it

[Lonewolf]

id expect the stock ITR to cream the FTO easily handling wise.
Modify both and things become more interesting. My charade has its suspension worked off its ****, and it would keep up with either (except corner exit thanks to no LSD yet). Same is possible with the pegeuot, however its apples and oranges really.

[Sp3rMz]

Guys once again keep replies related to topic. This is the last time I'm gonna say this. Please discuss other matters through Pm or lounge.

-Tien

[jonotan]

huh? arent we talking about dc2r vs fto handling?

[Sp3rMz]

actually,

how about a gt3 race between dc2r and fto GPR, do a suspension setup... and race
:P
hmmm u got a FTO but ur quip says Car: integra ... what gives???

i'll meet ya on mt akina 12pm tonite ok lah?
haha sure man, cep intial d doesnt have FTO! :(
jonotan as in tailzonline jonotan aye.
huh ?i dont get it

[jonotan]

"how about a gt3 race between dc2r and fto GPR, do a suspension setup... and race"

this is used to simulate differences between Dc2r and fto...
so it is related

[Sp3rMz]

You're relating a game with real life simulation. Ok fair enough its based on real cars and set up. Yet you cannot get a true figure/idea unless you do it yourself with a car. In the end its just a game. BTW the rest is off the topic.

[jonotan]

ok sorry

[joneblaze]

you DO realise that continuing this debate in this thread is merely serving to nudge it further OT? Perhaps you guys could take it to PM if we have to so stringently abide by the no OT guidelines?

Also, in my personal experience on the streets of Sydney, whether it be merely watching or having a game of catch up with an FTO (transmission and model types unknown, i know SFA about them as I think they're terribly ugly), there's no way in hell a dc2r would be outperformed in any category by one. :)

[jonotan]

i presume ur talking about straightline performance?

[toE]

What's the power outputs for all versions of the FTO anyways?

[kenshin]

Make & Model Mitsubishi FTO GR - Mitsubishi FTO GPX
Years 94 - 96 94 - 96
Engine 1998cc Quad Cam 24 valve V6 2.0lt DOHC 24V MIVEC V6
Format FWD
Weight 1170kg 1190kg
Power 127Kw 147Kw
Torque 185NM 200NM
Trans 5 spd Manual, 4sp Auto 5spd Manual,4sp Auto INVECS II
Suspension Mac' strut front rear Mac' strut front, rear
Brakes Vented Discs vent disc, ABS

JDM ITR 98 spec
General specifications
Record last updatedBefore 12 / 01 / 2004Country of originJapanYears of production1998 - 2001Numbers builtN/ABody designN/AWeight1130 kilo / 2491.2 lbsDrivetrain
EngineStraight 4Engine LocationFront , transversely mountedDisplacement1.797 liter / 109.7 cu inValvetrain4 valves / cylinder, DOHC, VTECFuel feedHonda PGM-Fi Fuel injectionAspirationNaturally AspiratedGearbox5 speed ManualDriveFront wheel drivePerformance figures
Power190 bhp / 142 KW @ 7900 rpmTorque178 Nm / 131 ft lbs @ 7300 rpmBHP/Liter106 bhp / literPower to weight ratio0.17 bhp / kgTop Speed233 km/h / 145 mph0-60 mph Acceleration6.5 s

hmmm sorry guys... doesnt come out the way i type it :(

[Sp3rMz]

Isnt that rather poo for a quad cam v6 2litre mivec? Thought u would have expected more from it.

[kenshin]

147kw vs 142kw... (pretty sure i've seen the DC2 ITR been quoted as having 147kw too)

50kg difference in weight really affects high speed cornering...

but yeah tien... 147kw v6 = poo

[jonotan]

147 kw from 2 lt's v6 is pretty good compared to hyundais tiburon 2.7lt v6(127kw) and eunos 30x 99kw 1.8lt v6.

seriously tho, FTO aint a bad car and its not because i own one. but I do think dc2rs are faster overall

[kenshin]

147 kw from 2 lt's v6 is pretty good compared to hyundais tiburon 2.7lt v6(127kw) and eunos 30x 99kw 1.8lt v6.

seriously tho, FTO aint a bad car and its not because i own one. but I do think dc2rs are faster overall
thats cos the only other 'sportscar' that hyundai's made was the hyundai 'coupe'
(original). do hyundai's even manufacture/design their own engines?...

mitsubishi has the rally breed evolution ...
so when u look at it that way the FTO is a let down in the performance stakes...

[lovesil]

Hey Kenshin, i think the FTO Spec you posted is not the FTO that i put down for the comparison! I'm actually comparing the latest and the last FTO (Post 97 version) GPvR Aero Series! It is a light weight version of the normal FTO that you posted and also has LSD and traction control.

By the way, i think my thread has become one of the most anticipated thread in the Integra Forum! haha!

[ginganggooly]

i'd love to see how this thread goes in a mitsubishi forum...

[jonotan]

"a let down in the peformance stakes"

a FF 1190kg 147kw.. thats hardly a let down for FWD. there arent many other cars like this especially during its realease 1994.

[Weq]

FTO GPX+ in manual are nice cars.

[lovesil]

Actually, i post up the same thread in ftoaustralia.com, but there's not much response over there! It's much more alive over here!

[smudge]

R Type FTOs are very quick. I have competed in sprints at Winton with a guy with a stock FTO R type against my stock Integra DC2R we are neck and neck (we were both around 1:47’s-1:48’s).When we both went from road tyres to track tyres (otherwise stock) we were both very close (1:45’s). His driving has improved a bit and he has started modifying his car – he is now in the 1:42’s. My car has done a 1:43.9 (with a very good driver behind the wheel) so I have a bit further to go with my skills.

At the end of one of the Winton sprints they had a “muck up” session where the cars that are on the track go all out for 10 to 15 laps. I was out with the FTO – we were both on our road tyres and 2 car lengths apart. With both of us trying flat out there was no difference in braking, acceleration or cornering. We were so close and evenly matched it wasn’t funny.

Unless you have raced against a well driven FTO on a track you wouldn’t believe how well they go. Street “racing” is no comparison.

[Sp3rMz]

I guess that was unbias comment to considering you own a type R. Ok since you know how the both handle and the differences, in the end what car would you pick. Although you do own a Type R which kinda answers my question.

[smudge]

Ok since you know how the both handle and the differences, in the end what car would you pick.

Well, I was after a car that handled well on a race track, that was new (warranty) and that was naturally aspirated (so that I wouldn't be tempted to up the boost and so that I could insure it). I also came out of a 91 CRX and the DC2 was a variation of the CRX chassis. My CRX was great on a track.

All of this steered me towards the DC2R.

[kenshin]

hey dont get me wrong... i have respect for other cars... fto isnt a bad car by all means...

but mitsubishi could've done so much more if they wanted to

[lovesil]

Do you know if it's a manual R type FTO or Tiptronic?? Because i know the Tiptronic version of Type R FTO is a 5 speed tiptronic! With 5 speed tiptronic, i wonder if it's as fast as the manual version!


R Type FTOs are very quick. I have competed in sprints at Winton with a guy with a stock FTO R type against my stock Integra DC2R we are neck and neck (we were both around 1:47’s-1:48’s).When we both went from road tyres to track tyres (otherwise stock) we were both very close (1:45’s). His driving has improved a bit and he has started modifying his car – he is now in the 1:42’s. My car has done a 1:43.9 (with a very good driver behind the wheel) so I have a bit further to go with my skills.

At the end of one of the Winton sprints they had a “muck up” session where the cars that are on the track go all out for 10 to 15 laps. I was out with the FTO – we were both on our road tyres and 2 car lengths apart. With both of us trying flat out there was no difference in braking, acceleration or cornering. We were so close and evenly matched it wasn’t funny.

Unless you have raced against a well driven FTO on a track you wouldn’t believe how well they go. Street “racing” is no comparison.

[jonotan]

hey dont get me wrong... i have respect for other cars... fto isnt a bad car by all means...

but mitsubishi could've done so much more if they wanted to

Manual versions of the FTO are faster than the Tiptronic versions

Yeah i guess they could of, if anything they would put a 6a12 Non Mivec turbo which produced 149kws.... only two more kws than the 6a12 Mivec 147kw :confused:

They could of also put the 6a13 tt which is the 2.5 lt twin turbo... but i think that would of made the FTO too nose heavy, thus negating the light NA ff Feel... :confused:

[Bludger]

sperm, why are you being so critical about ppl going off topic?
I mean ppl join this forum to chat, debate and have fun........ i trhink you're spoilling it by being so strict.
I think that attitude will lose members. Lucky i'm not so peeved off by your rules but i guess some others might be. Sorry if i offended you. Just lettin you know what i feel.
BTW, arn't i so sexy in my sunnies :P

[Da1nONLY]

gpr is that fast is it????
hmmz....well since its a V6 2.0 litre =)
you would expect it to be much quicker...
compared to a 4 cyliner 1.8l right? =P
now lets compare performance Vs fuel Efficiency! =P
The Teg will win easily =P
ive driven a 2 gpx's and they actually do go alright..
ive raced many FTO's straight line..... and they fall behind pretty easily...

[jonotan]

fuel efficiency wise...

mine runs about 560kms on about 50 litres.
so its not bad :o

Da1nONLY, how much would u expect from a 2lt v6?

[Sp3rMz]

My "MODED" Type R running "RICH" and needs a "RETUNE" is running 350km full tank 50 litres. :(

BTW - Slightly heavy footed too. Just slightly.

[afterburner]

Hey guys,

I am an FTO owner - I have the GP Version R model with a 5spd manual box.

Personally I believe (without having driven a DC2R) that the two cars would be very similarly matched, but that the Honda would have the slight advantage. The trouble is is that it comes down to so many other things, such as driver, road, conditions, etc that it would be very hard to measure, although I found the above post re the Winton race comparison very interesting. It just seems to me that the DC2R has a harder edge which would give it the nod. But then again, a DC2R here would be worth $5-10k more than my car.

Regarding the FTO GPvR, they have the same spec as a standard GPX Mivec FTO, with the same power output. However they have in addition a helical LSD diff, front and rear tower strut braces, and a larger rear wing. The seats are the same as the GPX, but are trimmed in different colours (mine are bright blue). The GPvR weighs slightly less (but not much) than a GPX due to being stripped of some sound deadening and having manual air con. They also don't have traction control or mirror retracting motors. They are available in both 5spd manual and 5spd tiptronic auto. Hope that clears that up.

Regarding fuel efficiency - I get about 500km from a 50L tank of 96 octane.

As far as I can tell, the standard 1/4 mile for a FTO GPvR manual is 14.8.

I am a former Honda owner - I used to have a Prelude and a DA6 VTEC Integra. And I went for a ride in a Jap spec DC5 Type R the other day and daaaammn was that awesome! But I'll go back to the Mitsi forums now ... ;)

[LO_N_SXC]

Type R N FTO same!!!! as long as you guys dont try to compare One of Honda's finest cars against some stupid new Commodore or Falcon I'm Happy (Sarcasm like fully 100%) :D

[Civic Type R]

Firstly, the ITR and the FTO are in the top 5 produced FF cars for handling.

I like [afterburner]'s responce especially for his honesty an unbias opinion.

Now i can compare these two cars but with my ride.
After having a dyno comp - one car after another:

Dyno~
Civic: JDM ITR everything 149.5HP@wheels
FTO GPX: custom CAI and exhaust 149.1HP@wheels

Strip~
Civic: consistant 14.2 - 14.4
FTO: 14.8 to 15.1

I dont consider myself a better driver, but i know the Hondas drivetrain/gearing is better than the FTO. Not to mention the weight advantage.

:)

[jonotan]

yup deffinately,

the type r has better gearing.. Fto has such a long 2nd and 3rd gear , at that point a type r starts gaining on the Fto.

[Lonewolf]

Firstly, the ITR and the FTO are in the top 5 produced FF cars for handling.

I like [afterburner]'s responce especially for his honesty an unbias opinion.

Now i can compare these two cars but with my ride.
After having a dyno comp - one car after another:

Dyno~
Civic: JDM ITR everything 149.5HP@wheels
FTO GPX: custom CAI and exhaust 149.1HP@wheels

Strip~
Civic: consistant 14.2 - 14.4
FTO: 14.8 to 15.1

I dont consider myself a better driver, but i know the Hondas drivetrain/gearing is better than the FTO. Not to mention the weight advantage.

:)

Well put adam, id put the difference in drag times down to a lack of an LSD in the GPX (only the GPR's have them), and maybe your weight stripping ;)

[toE]

sperm, why are you being so critical about ppl going off topic?
I mean ppl join this forum to chat, debate and have fun........ i trhink you're spoilling it by being so strict.
I think that attitude will lose members. Lucky i'm not so peeved off by your rules but i guess some others might be. Sorry if i offended you. Just lettin you know what i feel.
BTW, arn't i so sexy in my sunnies :P

We are merely adhering to the forums' T&C.

Want to chat? Chat about the topic. Otherwise, in the lounge.
Want to debate? Do so according to the topic. Othwerwise, start another topic.
Want to have fun? Log off and go lay on the grass in the park and breath some fresh air. :)

This is not personal Bludger, just explaining it to every curious minds.

:)

Back on topic


The R version of the FTO is limited correct?
But the GPx version is the more common top range FTO available in Australia, correct?

[SKYNUTS]

Me driven an FTO before too , jus don feel the kick i get with the DC2r in corners...

[McChook]

FTOs are too nose heavy - not nearly as quick as a DC2R and don't drive as nice

[spetz]

FTO's are supposed to be right next to Type R handling (not as good, but right next to them)
Type R is lighter so it might be quicker in a straight line.
In the end of the day I think a Type R is quicker anyway you look at it but not by a huge amount.
BUT, the FTO interior is MUCH nicer (minus Recaro seats) than a Type R, and the V6 is smooth, and the suspension is more comfortable, and it does have climate control, and that engine sound... and it revs so easily and blah blah

I think it just depends, if you want full out "track car" get Type R, but if you want something a bit slower but with creature comforts, get an FTO.

[JDM Element]

I wouldnt have thought a FTO could come close to a dc2R in handling...

If they do though......new found respect for them.. :)

[spetz]

The Version R is a Type competitor.

Over the normal GPX MIVEC model it comes with braces, stiffer springs/dampers/swaybars, Ralliart LSD, and weight reducted.

They are said to be the 2nd best handling FWD car, right after the Type R. It won Japanese car of the year in 94 when it was released, which was the 2nd time ever for a sports car to win that trophy.

Though don't worry, in Oz mostly you get auto's, some MIVEC some not. And VERY rarely if ever will you see the Version R.

[G-1]

Between the GPvR and TypeR there is nothing in it. It comes down to the driver.

With the money you save on a FTO, even a GPX, you could do it up to go faster and handle better than TypeR, yes you can get aftermarket LSD. Not only that, the FTO has much more comfortable seats for daily driving but enough support for racing. I guess the looks are subjective, but let the public speak for that, I see more people turn their heads for an FTO than an Integra.

Below is what I wrote in the FTOAustralia forum. But I think you guys are on the right track now...

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I know this is a comparison between the FTO and Integra, in their entire model range right?

ie.
FTO (GS, GR, GP, GPX, GPvR etc.)
Integra (GSi, VTiR, TypeR etc.)

Maybe the comparison should be TypeR vs GPvR (this is really what we are interested in aren't we?)

The biased people from ozhonda seem to misunderstand the comparison and are actually comapring TypeR to any FTO, not considering that there are at least 5 in the model range (with different engines) and that there are 4/5 speed auto transmissions as well. All up against the manual only TypeR which was race bred from the beginning. FTOs in general are more geared towards being a livable fun-to-drive street car. Mitsubishi's answer to the TypeR was the FTO GPvR.

Of course it is most likely for a TypeR owner to go up against an FTO on the streets and it could quite possibly be a GR, or very likely to be a GPX auto, and they will draw the conclusion that their TypeR is superior to an FTO (hey they are human after all).

So conversely, a Manual GPvR owner can rightly go up against a Integra GSi, or even a VTiR and blow it off the streets, and conclude that FTOs are better than Integras. But they won't do this, coz they know about the TypeR.

The difference here is that most Honda owners, actually the general population don't know much about FTOs and the model line-up/transmission choices.

Someone should point this out to OzHonda... or maybe I will cut and paste this there :)

[IRI]

I see more people turn their heads for an FTO than an Integra.

LOL, but there left standing there wondering WTF that ugly POS was that just passed them....

[G-1]

oh, i guess from your point of view you like to look twice at ugly things.

as for me, i prefer not to... it's all subjective like i said :cool:

[G-1]

FTO-Drove a friends bout a year ago, doesnt go anywhere near as good as it looks like it should go..... (i'd compare it with a ford cougar)


and you admitted before that it does LOOK good/fast, now you changed to ugly POS :p

[IRI]

Just stirring up the rivalry s'all:cool:

Honestly i dont mind the looks of FTO, i think one of the most unique and original designs around... but still prefer the teg;)

[Blew_lude]

a year or so back, i saw it on a performance DVD with these two particular cars on a straight line. stock V stock with two professional drivers on the hand

the fto was side by side till around the 90km mark and after that, the type r just took off. the end result was 2 car lenghts or so
in terms of performance on the straight line, i dont think theres two much in between the two. although it doesnt give a definite answer to which is better of the two, one things for sure the straight line race was settled.

[G-1]

it's all good, they are both nice cars and i feel that people give FTO too much flak without knowing much about em.... i woulda got a TypeR instead of the FTO but the seats were too uncomfortable for me, and werent CD/aircon options? Im talking about DC2.

FTO - better package for daily driver who wants to have fun (and can be tuned with the money you save)

Integra TypeR - better for the hard-edged driver (out-of-the-box) who doesn't mind some discomfort for a more involving drive.

FTO GPvR - goes head to head with TypeR, but are very rare

No doubt that the TypeR has achieved what it was built for, and as long as that's what you're looking for in a car, then you should be very happy with it.

[G-1]

a year or so back, i saw it on a performance DVD with these two particular cars on a straight line. stock V stock with two professional drivers on the hand

the fto was side by side till around the 90km mark and after that, the type r just took off. the end result was 2 car lenghts or so
in terms of performance on the straight line, i dont think theres two much in between the two. although it doesnt give a definite answer to which is better of the two, one things for sure the straight line race was settled.

Well that one race result was settled.

And you are sure it was a FTO GPvR? and not a FTO GPX?

[JDM.Power]

my friend has a GPX he lives across the road from me his mivec screams!! cant wait till i get my honda an run him down the creek :)
but il say a fto will give the dc2/5 a good run..!!

[Blew_lude]

G1- no, im not sure.
im only assuming it is
it just says, Type r Vs FTO on the heading..imnot japanese so obviously i couldnt understand the words he was saying

yes it was one race, but one race that was equal

[enoch]

i've sat in a FTO (4sp tip) and a type r with pod (damn my gsi...sigh...).

comments.

type R > FTO in terms of ride. damn the type R is such a fun ride

FTO > type R in terms in comfort interior and looks

damn the FTO is such a nice looking car..too bad its a mitsu badge...
it reminds me of the rx8 that car...
hmm..get a FTO and put a mazda badge on it...

hmm....

[STOCK]

Dont forget guys if your comparing the ITR to the FTO you should all be refering to the ITR equivelant in the FTO range.

The FTO type r is what you should be refering to. The bonuses it gets is a LSD, upgraded shocks, a bit of weight reduction and slightly different bodykit and bigger rear spoiler.

Compare those two together and id pick the FTO to be just as quick in a circuit battle and drag race.

[VTC-8OY]

Lets just say "Type R's better in every single way!!" why?.. because its a HONDA! n theyre built to perfection!.. thats all dats left to be sed lolz..

[G-1]

Dont forget guys if your comparing the ITR to the FTO you should all be refering to the ITR equivelant in the FTO range.

The FTO type r is what you should be refering to. The bonuses it gets is a LSD, upgraded shocks, a bit of weight reduction and slightly different bodykit and bigger rear spoiler.

Compare those two together and id pick the FTO to be just as quick in a circuit battle and drag race.

thank you thats the point ive been making since i joined this discussion.

dont forget that FTO GPvR also comes with front and rear strut towers as standard, which the other FTOs don't get. + LSD + suspension + weight reduction.

[panda[cRx]]

driven my mates FTO and while they are an ok car in my opinion they have nothing on the R. i'm not a fan of the factory clutch too

[G-1]

']driven my mates FTO and while they are an ok car in my opinion they have nothing on the R. i'm not a fan of the factory clutch too

read the above post you are a bit behind

[aznsiko]

at the end of the day honda's vtec the real variable valve timing...

[[twins]vtec]

BMI did a race with dc2r wrx sti coupe ek9 FTO GP VErsion R and AE111s
the WRX won the dc2r by like 1 car length on the last straight
FTO GPR beat ek9 by like a car
and the ae 111s were way too slow
just an examplle of the handling of dc2r on track
and also my frends del sol beat a GPR
and also the guys whjo have sed they never heard of the handling capabilities of the 306 S16
where have u guys been ?????
the 306 is the first FF to have 6 spd gearbox
and it also has dual stage intake manifold
they are pretti hard
mags inlcuding Car & driver have dun comparisons with the DC2R
and the handling scores are pretti close even tho the dc2r comes out the winner
my 2c

[G-1]

BMI did a race with dc2r wrx sti coupe ek9 FTO GP VErsion R and AE111s

one of few reasonable posts so far... that del sol musta been moded

and is there a way you can share that BMI vid, i'd love to see it.

Type R might edge out the GPvR if driven by a professional driver, and if i had it as a second car for track i'd be very happy with the type R. but for daily public road use, youre not gonna notice the difference and FTO range in general has nicer interior and creature comforts for less money.

[kenshin]

FTO range in general has nicer interior and creature comforts for less money.

ok noise factor... inside the FTO would be more quieter...
good or bad ... ppl want different things...

but come on... saying the interior of a FTO is better than a DC2 Type R?? recaro's alum gear knob carbon fibre like panels... ummm whats the FTO got?... round gauges... and bucket seats which feel like normal seats... bah... bland

rear seats are more comfy in an integra too...

[G-1]

ok noise factor... inside the FTO would be more quieter...
good or bad ... ppl want different things...

but come on... saying the interior of a FTO is better than a DC2 Type R?? recaro's alum gear knob carbon fibre like panels... ummm whats the FTO got?... round gauges... and bucket seats which feel like normal seats... bah... bland

rear seats are more comfy in an integra too...

well typeR has a race oriented interior, pretty plain apart from the recaro seats and gear knob. the gpvr has embroidered coloured bucket seats which are more comfortable for daily driving and still has enough support. apart from that i think the FTO has a unique interior (like the racey centre gauges and unique door trim/design, and centre console which is angled towards the driver, and funky looking climate control on the GPX, not to mention an armrest/storage compartment for the front passengers) as opposed to a very generic Honda layout in the Integra.

well i think we need an unbiased view on this, i have never heard fto owners say that integra interiors are nicer, but i have heard honda owners say fto interior is nicer... like a few posts in this topic already.

[sesshoumaru]

^ from my 'unbiased' point of view, i'd have to agree with what you've said.

The dc2r interior is a lot more dated than the Fto interior... It was probably designed with function over form.

I believe that on track, the dc2r is going to be the better performer. And you'd hope so considering that honda went through all the effort of designing it with those merits in mind.


But in the end there's only one way to find out :P...

[hong_ung]

As for comfort
Yes, the Fto is more comfy, but by how much?
remember there is a compromise between performance and comfort (generally)
My frinds FTO manual V6 goes pretty hard
Second gear can hit 115 km +
I've seen it, driven it
But it doesnt feel as magical as the Type R
The fun factor (for me) was below average
He's got some work done to it, but when he takes my car for a spin, he luvs it
The revs (even thoguh mine is relatively stock, with just zorst)
The wheelspin, the ease of driving
And he always compliments on the Rs gearbox, so smooth yet feels so strong
Try to shift the Fto like an R, you'll feel like ur killing the gearbox, no feel, just lifeless
And as for the recaros, he said to me "Hong, how much?"
He absolutely 1uvs the fact that corners can be taken without u feeling like ur falling out of the seat, and also by having that hug, it gives u more confidence entering and exiting the corner as you don't have to correct ur position

Regards, Hong

[G-1]

yes youre not really talking about comfort anymore are you.... yes of course the recaros hug you and hold you in place there is no denying that and if you find that comfortable for daily driving then good for you, and if you appreciate it on the track then good for you too, i havent seen people have much troubles taking the FTO on track and fully gunning it on the bends thats for sure... in my view the FTO is a good compromise between comfort and performance... and no denying that the typeR is a hard-edged racers car and i can see why people fall in love with it and are willing to compromise bit of comfort and luxuries even for public road use.

[VersionR]

In regard to straight line winners, im thinking about hitting WSID soon.
Id be more than happy to give some Integra owners a run.

Just for a bit of fun :)

Just got to sort out my clutch.

p.s i own an FTO.

[franki]

Thats a pritty lame comment.

Everyone says that about my prelude :( *here it comes again*

nah fair comment im on your sied with this one. if it hasnt got a :honda: on it, it aint nuthing

[kOncept]

I used to drive a FTO GPX and now have a DC2R and IMO i wouldn't even compare the 2 cars... FTO claims bigger hp numbers but on the road it's a different story... if you must compare the 2 the DC2R provides a more comfortable ride that you'll actually enjoy driving, the FTO is a nice car but the DC2R is much better... :D

[VersionR]

I used to drive a FTO GPX and now have a DC2R and IMO i wouldn't even compare the 2 cars... FTO claims bigger hp numbers but on the road it's a different story... if you must compare the 2 the DC2R provides a more comfortable ride that you'll actually enjoy driving, the FTO is a nice car but the DC2R is much better... :D

Why wouldnt you compare them? :confused:

[kOncept]

cos i dislike mitsubitchi's after that FTO, i dislike all mitsu's except the EVOs...

just from personal experience:

Handling:
Type R: 1
GPX: 0

Comfort:
Type R: 1
GPX: 0

4 cyl vs 6 cyl:
Type R: 1
GPX: 0

Think about it, Mitsubitchi needed a MIVEC 6 to compete with HONDA's VTEC 4 and they still lost which would you prefer? heavy fuel consumption and less GO GO or good fuel consumption and power on tap? :)

also as edw said cornering hard in an FTO just simply doesn't feel the same as in an R the R is a much tighter package in terms of handling...

[spoondc2]

Obviously Mitsubishi don't wanna put too much effort on the FTO, since they have better market on the EVOs

[_CiVIC_]

VersionR i would like to give you a run in mum's integra. She has a stock 2004 Integra TypeS. :) :)

[tRipitaka]

now u're talking about dc5's.. -_-

[_CiVIC_]

but VersionR said he's take on any integra at WSID ;)

[VersionR]

VersionR i would like to give you a run in mum's integra. She has a stock 2004 Integra TypeS. :) :)

For sure :)

I dont care if i get an absolute thrashing - its all good fun!
We should make a Integra / FTO night at WSID out of it.

[IRI]

For sure :)

I dont care if i get an absolute thrashing - its all good fun!
We should make a Integra / FTO night at WSID out of it.

:thumbsup: More people need to adopt this attitude:thumbsup:

[V8_Hero]

maate, ITR might be good
but you can't beat the deep sound of a v6 mivec
the transition sound on mivec sounds so much better
****in vtec sounds like angry bees

[VersionR]

well im gonna start the ball rolling next week and try and organise a WSID meet.

[vti-r teg]

"DC2R the best handling FWD in the world "

Thats a pretty big statement. I agree that the itr is awesome, strightline and cornering but I don't think I'd say best in the world.

[dc2r]

It's Honda that claim that Integra is the best FWD handling car in the world... Have you seen Best Motoring where a Type-R kills a WRX around a hairpin curve? It is the most amusing thing... hehe... and the DC2R had the outside line too... and BM videos test cars on track in full stock form too...

As far as the sound of V6 Mivec versus DC2R 4-cyl... I have driven my friend's FTO and he himself also says that my car sounds better... hehe... and if you think that's bad... Have you heard a DC2R with a Mugen intake? Hehe... sounds even better!

[|N|]

i cant think of any other FF car that can keep up with the honda R family

[d15z1SUX]

fto's sound pretty good. heard a few with an exhaust. its got that smooth high revving v6 sound.

[FR33K]

wtf.. 2 years late buddy

[didz]

The Mitsubishi FTO is a hair dresser's car.

:thumbsup: Second that!

I have seen them take off and shit, the sound of a v6 doesnt do much for me... Slap a CAI on to my k20 and WOWZ! the sound is madness and everyone knows MIVEC has nothing on Vtec or iVtec (performance wise)

[jords]

hehehehe........classic!!!

[spetz]

FTO V6 sound is an aural orgasm
Sound unbelievable

No doubt there is not a single 4cyl VTEC that would sound better

[m0nty ITR]

It's been a wierd couple of days. Who's recovering from the weekend? Anyone?