Repairable or Write-off?

[minircc]

I can believe it, i have only had the car for a couple months and truely enjoying the driving it.
The other day someone rammed into the back and now the damage is under assessment.

How much do you guys think the damage is, or maybe a write-off?
Other party has admitted fault (shannons insurance), but still so much hassle for me..

[Type R Positive]

So sorry to see that mate.
shit man, that's major structural damage right there! Is the other quarter panel damaged like that?
Depending on your agreed value, I'd say write off for sure.

[noobcake]

Repairable write off mate!

[jyh888]

Definately write off, my euro had less rear damage than that at it was written off, unfortunately.
Sorry to hear but you will get paid out and hopefully you can look into another car

[minircc]

so i guess i can expect a payout then.
i'm insured market value.

is it better to claim through their insurance company or mine.
my insurance says my premium will be affected later on even though i'm not at fault. sigh..

[Type R Positive]

my insurance says my premium will be affected later on even though i'm not at fault. sigh..
If that happens, just go elsewhere.

Their insurance will be the ones paying....

[praja6]

so i guess i can expect a payout then.
i'm insured market value.

is it better to claim through their insurance company or mine.
my insurance says my premium will be affected later on even though i'm not at fault. sigh..

Sorry to see the damage mate.. Well if its their fault, you dont have to pay any premium or your premium won't increase later on you purchase another car... By the look of it, i am definately sure its gona be write off. I don't its even safe to drive after they repair it, it is not going to be the same as original...

[WATAJK]

If that happens, just go elsewhere.

Their insurance will be the ones paying....

Agreed....

Go else where if thats the case :thumbsup:
Tell them to get there facts right the idiots

[jyh888]

What insurance company are you with? That is ridiculous...

[espionage85]

your not at fault, your insurance will not ne affected
so in this case you would want a write-off claim so you can get a payout and possibly keep the car

[MRK20CRX]

defs a write off dude, but, get payed out, buy the car back, buy an eg, and do a k24 conversion! haha

[MR_LATE]

defs a write off dude, but, get payed out, buy the car back, buy an eg, and do a k24 conversion! haha

u sir, sound like my brother = = !!

[DyingHeart]

My euro got hit like yours, it's getting fixed as we speak. lmao. Women drivers..

[white_ep3_civic]

Repairable write off mate!

No such thing as that anymore. Sorry to hear mate. Hope you get paid out cars are never the same when they get fixed.

[minircc]

just got a call today from insurance company (budget direct)
it's a write off.. RIP CL9.. sad to see it go.

now apparently i have to wait for another department to work out my pay out, gosh..
hopefully they don't try rip me off.

In the redbook, i don't see 2004 Honda Accord Euro Lux Sports (ie. with factory lip kit)
6spd 120k's. also, the figures look really low. ie. i won't be able to get one like mine for those prices..
what about on road costs?
anyway, will let you guys know once i get a figure from them.

how much would you guys think i'll have to pay to buy back for parting out? doubt it'll be worth the hassle right.

[flipfire]

was ur insurance policy an agreed value or market value? it should be written on your insurance papers.

[natnat]

mine was written off in august 2010 and got paid out at agreed value of $29500 while the market value was only $20k-$24k for a 2006 luxury auto. mainly because the quoted repair cost was $23k (within the market value range) and apparently they did well writing off my car because they fetched $11k (29500-11000=18500 out of pocket... instead of 23k but they would chase the damage from the other party anyway) from the auction of the damaged car. my two cars are due for renewal this month and i am paying extra attention to the details now :) especially the agreed value amount.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?137923-Good-Bye-CL9....

u may need to negotiate with them to pay you out near the highest upper market value of your car, arguing that it may not be possible to find a replacement similar to yours at their pay out figure, etc, etc...

[minircc]

car is insured market value.
just checked, there is no stated value on policy.

[minircc]

i'll definitely negotiate to ensure i get a fair payout.
natnat, that's a fantastic outcome. i will consider agreed value next time. never really thought about it previously. thought it wouldn't happen to me.. lol

do you think i'll get a better outcome claiming direct with their insurance company rather than mine?

[natnat]

not sure if you could get better outcome claiming direct from the other party's insurance... but you need to consider all the hassles if they make it difficult for you as they don't act on your behalf. while your current insurer should help you and take care of all the hassles, and chase the compensation from the other insurer.

i never took the agreed value / market value seriously in the past until that accident. i always focused on the cheapest insurance..

i had my wife's car (a 2 months old toyota yaris) burnt in a basement car park along with other people's 15 cars in 2006 and chose brand new replacement despite 2 months wait at that time (the yaris was so popular at that time!)

was thinking of a pay out but decided a replacement because the agreed value less $2k excess was a lot less than what we paid for the car.

[minircc]

Budget Direct are offering $15k for my car.
2004 Honda Accord Euro Luxury Sports 6spd, with tint and reverse parking sensors. 120,000kms.
Was in immaculate condition prior to the accident, with a very straight body, no dings and dents.

Is that fair? i think it's quite low. i don't think i'll be able to buy another one with that money.
i have challenged the amount, but don't know what they're going to come back with.

[flipfire]

tell them to stop lowballing and give a counter offer of 18k at least

[Type R Positive]

Budget Direct are offering $15k for my car.
2004 Honda Accord Euro Luxury Sports 6spd, with tint and reverse parking sensors. 120,000kms.
Was in immaculate condition prior to the accident, with a very straight body, no dings and dents.

Is that fair? i think it's quite low. i don't think i'll be able to buy another one with that money.
i have challenged the amount, but don't know what they're going to come back with.
Redbook for lux man:
* Private Price Guide$14,700 - $16,900
* Trade In Price Guide$11,500 - $13,700
* Average Km90,000 - 150,000

$15k is reasonable.

[MRK20CRX]

haha, well tat's what i'd do

[tron07]

That would require at least 15k or more to repair.... write off for sure since it the pre-facelift CL9

[natnat]

This was the repair quote for my car. The parts for Honda are some of the most expensive among japanese cars.

Labour
REMOVE & REFIT FRONT B/BAR D & A $55.00
REMOVE & REFIT FRONT B/BAR REINFORCEMENT $12.00
REMOVE & REFIT FRONT B/BAR DRIVING LAMPS AND WIRING $25.00
REMOVE & REFIT HEADLAMP WASHERS AND HOSES $25.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H HEADLAMP - H.I.D. $12.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H HEADLAMP PANEL $60.00
REMOVE & REFIT R/H HEADLAMP $12.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H/F GUARD AND NEC.H/WARE $45.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H/F GUARD LINER $12.00
REMOVE & REFIT R/H/F GUARD LINER RELEASE $9.00
REMOVE & REFIT BONNET NEC.H/WARE $25.00
REMOVE & REFIT AIR COND. CORE $18.00
REMOVE & REFIT AIR COND. NEC PIPES $12.00
REMOVE & REFIT RADIATOR $18.00
REMOVE & REFIT RADIATOR SUPPORT NEC.H/WARE $15.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H/F SKIRT NEC.H/WARE $35.00
REMOVE & REFIT AIR INTAKE DUCT AND FILTER $35.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H/F SKIRT FRONT SECTION $90.00
REMOVE & REFIT SCUTTLE PANEL GRILLE AND FITTINGS $12.00
REMOVE & REFIT FRONT BAR LOWER STONE TRAY $12.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H/F DOOR D & A $135.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H/F DOOR APERTURE NEC H/WARE $25.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H SILL PANEL MOULD $25.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H/R DOOR D & A $135.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H/R DOOR APERTURE NEC H/WARE $12.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H QTR PANEL NEC.H/WARE $15.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H QTR PANEL SPLASH SHIELD $12.00
REMOVE & REFIT R/H QTR PANEL SPLASH SHIELD RELEASE $9.00
REMOVE & REFIT TURRET INSERT STRIP L/H $15.00
REMOVE & REFIT REAR B/BAR $40.00
REMOVE & REFIT L/H/R TAIL LAMP $9.00
REMOVE & REFIT NEC INNER CABIN TRIMS AND H/WARE $55.00
REPAIR & ALIGN L/H/F STRUT TOWER $120.00
REPAIR & ALIGN BONNET AND FRAME $210.00
REPAIR & ALIGN L/H/F SKIRT REINFORCEMENT $120.00
REPAIR & ALIGN RADIATOR SUPPORT TOP LOCK PANEL $90.00
REPAIR & ALIGN L/H/F CHASSIS RAIL $120.00
REPAIR & ALIGN CAR O LINER $90.00
REPAIR & ALIGN L/H/F HINGE PILLAR $240.00
REPAIR & ALIGN L/H QTR PANEL $240.00
REPAIR & ALIGN TURRET CANT RAIL L/H $210.00
REPAIR & ALIGN L/H/F WHEEL ARCH $210.00
REPAIR & ALIGN L/H/R SLAM PANEL $90.00
Paint Labour sub-total: $2,766.00

PAINT MIX AND MATCH PEARL $50.00
PAINT 2 PACK BAKE ALLOWANCE $80.00
PAINT FRONT B/BAR $155.00
PAINT FRONT B/BAR REINFORCEMENT $45.00
PAINT L/H/F WASHER JET $35.00
PAINT L/H/F GUARD IN & OUT $165.00
PAINT BONNET AND FRAME $195.00
PAINT RADIATOR SUPPORT ASSEMBLY [Blend] $90.00
PAINT L/H/F DOOR IN & OUT $165.00
PAINT L/H/F DOOR MIRROR $75.00
PAINT NEC ENGINE BAY AREAS [Blend] $75.00
PAINT FUEL FLAP $25.00
PAINT L/H SILL PANEL MOULD $90.00
PAINT L/H/R DOOR IN & OUT $165.00
PAINT L/H QTR PANEL $155.00
PAINT R/H/F DOOR HINGES $30.00
PAINT TURRET CANT RAIL L/H $90.00
PAINT L/H/R SLAM PANEL [Blend] $45.00
Paint sub-total: $1,730.00

Parts
NEW 76885SEAS03 1 FRONT B/BAR WASHER JET ACTUATOR L/H $255.04
NEW 71185SEA902 1 FRONT B/BAR FACE DAMPER $193.25
NEW HO44300SDAA51 2 FRONT WHEEL BEARING $326.72
NEW 1 WHEEL ALIGNMENT $88.00
NEW 3 CONT.225/40/18 92Y SPORT CONTACT 2 $1,143.00
NEW 1 R/R L/H/F SUSPENSION $308.00
NEW BUDDY CLUB 091102 1 L/H/F STRUT $1,699.00
NEW PF01 1 L/H/F WHEEL ENKEI $720.00
NEW HO71101SEAQ01ZZ 1 FRONT B/BAR COVER $499.00
NEW HO76886SEAS02ZB 1 FRONT B/BAR H/LAMP WASHER JET COVER L/H $131.40
NEW HO71147SEA000 1 FRONT B/BAR BRAKE DUCT L/H $23.98
NEW HO71130SEA900ZZ 1 FRONT B/BAR REINFORCEMENT LOWER $165.70
NEW HO71190SEA000 1 FRONT B/BAR IRON L/H $36.46
NEW HO71198SEA003 1 FRONT B/BAR SPACER L/H $16.96
NEW HO71103SEA000 1 FRONT B/BAR LOWER GRILLE $120.20
NEW HO91506S9A003 2 FRONT B/BAR CLIP - QTY 2 $6.48
NEW 76810SEAA01 1 L/H/F WASHER JET $22.42
NEW HO33151SEAE63 1 L/H HEADLAMP - H.I.D. $696.06
NEW HO33129SEA003 1 L/H HEADLAMP HID SYSTEM IGNITER $451.59
NEW HO33119SAA013 1 L/H HEADLAMP HID SYSTEM CONTROL UNIT $363.91
NEW HO33116SL0003 1 L/H HEADLAMP GLOBE - HID $283.25
NEW HO60261SEA000ZZ 1 L/H/F GUARD $442.91
NEW HO74151SEAJ00 1 L/H/F GUARD LINER $129.18
NEW 91501S04003 7 L/H/F GUARD LINER CLIPS $20.65
NEW HO60719SEA300ZZ 1 L/H/F GUARD STAY FRONT $9.64
NEW HO60718SEA300ZZ 1 L/H/F GUARD STAY REAR $9.64
NEW HO74155SEA000 1 L/H/F GUARD VERTICAL FAIRING $22.42
NEW 74144SEA010 1 BONNET SEAL FRONT $63.36
NEW 1 AIR COND. DEGAS & REGAS $130.00
NEW HO74111SEA010 1 ENGINE SPLASH TRAY - AUTO $189.80
NEW 04611SEFE01ZZ 1 RADIATOR SUPPORT HEADLAMP PANEL L/H $106.58
NEW INJEN INTAKE 1 AIR INTAKE DUCT AND FILTER $545.00
NEW HO60711SEAE00ZZ 1 L/H/F SKIRT INNER $72.99
NEW 1 R/R R/H/R SUSP. $99.00
NEW HO51215SDAA02 1 L/H/F KNUCKLE - ABS $337.93
NEW HO44600SDAA10 2 FRONT HUB ASSY - NO BEARING $536.70
NEW HO51821SEAE00 1 L/H/F SHOCK ABSORBER FORK $111.06
NEW HO51321SEAE01 1 L/H/F STABILIZER LINK $97.95
NEW HO53540SDAA01 1 R/H/F TIE ROD END $104.56
NEW 51450SEA003 1 L/H/F UPPER CONTROL ARM $228.68
NEW 1 FRONT W/SCREEN R/R $88.00
NEW 1 R/H/F WHEEL REPAIR $260.00
NEW 1 R/H/R WHEEL REPAIR $260.00
NEW 67050SEA010ZZ 1 L/H/F DOOR SHELL $796.62
NEW 72365SEA033 1 L/H/F DOOR WEATHERSEAL $137.82
NEW HO72465SEA003 1 L/H/F DOOR UPPER SASH MOULD $102.58
NEW HO72450SEA013 1 L/H/F DOOR WAIST MOULD $86.51
NEW HO72180SEAG01 1 L/H/F DOOR HANDLE OUTER $134.64
NEW 76250SEAQ24ZE 1 L/H/F DOOR MIRROR $381.94
NEW 72380SEAE02 1 L/H/F DOOR CHECK STRAP $64.09
NEW 67550SEA900ZZ 1 L/H/R DOOR SHELL $752.98
NEW HO72680SEA003 1 L/H/R DOOR HANDLE OUTER $134.64
NEW 32100SEAQ20 1 WIRING LOOM L/H/F SKIRT $350.90
NEW 1 R/R WIRING LOOM $220.00
NEW 1 R/R STEERING RACK $440.00
NEW 1 STEERING RACK $950.00
NEW 52350SEA000 1 R/H/R LOWER CONTROL ARM $97.95
NEW HO52210SEAE04 1 R/H/R KNUCKLE $415.93
NEW HO42200SEA951 1 REAR WHEEL BEARING & HUB ASSY $272.95
Parts sub-total: $16,756.02

Quote total: $21,252.02
GST: $2,125.20
CURRENT QUOTE (INCL. ADJUSTMENTS) $23,377.22

[WATAJK]

Try aim for $19k-20k dude... 15k not enuff IMO
redbook is a guide

[tron07]

Budget Direct are offering $15k for my car.
2004 Honda Accord Euro Luxury Sports 6spd, with tint and reverse parking sensors. 120,000kms.
Was in immaculate condition prior to the accident, with a very straight body, no dings and dents.

Is that fair? i think it's quite low. i don't think i'll be able to buy another one with that money.
i have challenged the amount, but don't know what they're going to come back with.

You wouldnt be able to challenge them.... cause its market value and they will have facts to back themself up.

[bungsai]

if you are not at fault you do not have to use your insurance company to claim damages, they act as an agent. You can also use a lawyer.

A lawyer will
1. Independently value your car - the benefit is that insurance companies get their cars valued by their own assessors and usually value it lower to minimise payout fees.
2. Cost you nothing - lawyer's take a proportion of what they claim from the insurance companies. Therefore it is in their best interests to claim back as much as they can on your behalf. They will include their own fee in ADDITION to what they claim back from the other insurance party.
3. They can and will likely also include things like stamp duty etc.

When i got hit by a drunk driver in 2004, i went with a lawyer instead of Just Car Insurance. I cancelled my insurance policy once it was deemed that the accident was not my fault and was refunded the balance of my premium. I then contacted a lawyer who claimed back more than market value for my 1996 Integra VTiR because of the low KM's and immaculate condition. They also negotiated a buy back of the wreck on my behalf (my request) and claimed, rego, transfer fees, stamp duty etc for my new car. IIRC their own fee was about $800, which they too claimed from the other insurance company.

Know you rights, you have a lot, especially when you have done nothing wrong.

[tknova]

I would personally steer clear of using lawyers and continue with your insurance company - That's what you pay them for.

The car is within 10 years old and

Continue to negotiate with Budget, Have a look for similar vehicles on carsales for a 04 euro lux and present that to budget direct.

I've also got access to the glass guide via work - I've done a valuation with 120k on the clock.

RRP Trade Low Trade Retail
Glass's Value $40,800 $10,800 $12,300 $16,200
KM Adjustment ($346.00) ($578.00) ($1,155.00)
Value of Options
Adjusted Values $40,800 $10,454 $11,722 $15,045


So, via the glasses guide, 15k is a reasonable payout. The redbook/glasses guide is a guide ONLY. Use the real sales of the market to negotiate a payout for your vehicle, like carsales ect - Budget are going to recover the cost anyway.

[minircc]

Mine was a Euro Lux Sports. ie. had the factory lip kit etc, as well as all lux features.
Should be a few thousand more.

anyways, the insurance companies are sorting it out. they can take their time.

if anyone spots an 04 euro lux sports for $14.5k, let me know. i need a replacement! thanks.
$500 to pay for transfer and stamp duty.

[natnat]

i was working for a honda dealer in 2004-2005. i am not sure if there was any Luxury Sports. It would have been Luxury with additional accessories fitted. so, you should point out to the insurance company that those body kit costs quite a lot.

[denot]

Just be careful for Insurance company that doesnt want to pay you enough for write off car because they cant sell the car afterwards under the new law:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/64435/nsw-government-to-introduce-new-repairable-write-off-legislation/

[HunterZero]

Yeah, there was no Lux Sports model. It would just be a Lux with body kit option fitted.

Normally your insurance policy should record any expensive options such as the body kit, as they affect the value of the car, and can affect your premium. You might be in for an argument with the insurer if the body kit wasn't listed on the policy.

- HZ

[minircc]

yeh, mine must have been a Euro Lux with a dealer special lip kit.

how much do you guys think the salvage value would be?
anyone interested in any CL9 parts? ie. motor, gear box, leather seats, airbags etc.. or the whole car as it is. :)

[minircc]

although it's been a while, thought i'd let you guys know how this went.

got paid out and got a later model VW Jetta instead.
was surprised by the standard equipment this car comes with standard. ie. auto rain wipers, auto headlights, reverse parking sensors, auto dimming rear mirror, etc.
handles great, a little more omph than euro and better fuel economy.

worked out well in the end i guess.

[natnat]

although it's been a while, thought i'd let you guys know how this went.

got paid out and got a later model VW Jetta instead.
was surprised by the standard equipment this car comes with standard. ie. auto rain wipers, auto headlights, reverse parking sensors, auto dimming rear mirror, etc.
handles great, a little more omph than euro and better fuel economy.

worked out well in the end i guess.

congrats for the change! welcome to the darker side :p

you'd be surprised with the abundance of aftermarket / mods options for Jetta as due to the popularity of the Mk5 GTI in Europe, USA and here. Most of the mods for the GTI are compatible for Jetta.

it's a totally different feeling vs CL9, Jetta feels pretty solid, the CL9 felt a bit light and the steering wheel is rather skinny (CU2 is nice and thicker).

[azn_k3nt]

nice vw :)

but feel sorry for the euro...i think everyone should give a minute silence for it LOL

[antony]

Which Jetta did you get ???

I had a late 2006,2007 model 2.o FSI tiptronic in Silver,which I loved,and chose over a CL9,as it did come with much more equipment as standard.

When it was written off,my choice was to get another,or a Euro,and for a change,I went with the Euro.

Euro seems more powerfil,as Jetta was petrol NON turbo,and a little bit nicer to drive.

However Jettas boot is much better shaped,and rear seat legroom is better.

Both excellent cars,ENJOY...I miss mine a little bit....

[minircc]

hey antony, seems like we switched seats :)

yeh, i went from an 04 Euro 6spd to a 07 Jetta fsi 6spd. Same as you, for a change. I have always liked both.
I find the ride of the jetta surprising good. handles well, feels planted, but also absorbs bumps nicely. very nice stock suspension setup.

and like azn_k3nt mentioned, abundance of after market parts and spares.

i also like the fact that the side mirrors dip when you put it in reverse so you can see the curb :)
ah.. the little things that make me smile.. haha

and both drivers and passenger seats have pull out drawers under them for extra storage.

but all in all, it was a very tough choice for me because i was going to get the updated CL9.
basically it was whichever i came across the 2nd hand market in good condition and reasonably priced. can't be too picky right.. otherwise i'd buy new.

[praja6]

i also like the fact that the side mirrors dip when you put it in reverse so you can see the curb :)
ah.. the little things that make me smile.. haha

I am sure Jetta is a good one too. Do you mean side mirrors dip when change reverse gear for your jetta as well? This feature is in accord Euro Cu2...not sure it was in CL9.

Enjoy your new jetta :)

[antony]

My mirrors in my Jetta did not dip,but the ones in my Euro do.

A few things which the Jetta did come with and the Euro does not are the automatically dipping rear view mirror,automatic wipers and lights,and the lights which stay on in the darlk after you switch off,as well as those drawers under the seats.

However ,Euro makes up for it,with things like the 6 stack CD,10 speakers,chrome exhausts,dipping mirror,bigger wheels...so at the end of the day,it comes down to personal choice.

The Euro also has a bigger engine,but the Jetta uses less fuel.

I think the CL9 and MK5 Jettas are very similae,and were cross shopped by many prople.

Maybee the bigger CU2 will be more similar to the new,also bigger Jetta A6...I cant wait to check out one of those,as well as the facrlifted Euro later this year...

What colour is the Jetta ???

[praja6]

OH ok anthony. BUt lux euro got even bigger wheel Anthony which is 18inch, compare with our standard one got average 17inc.. What size of wheel comes with jetta?

[antony]

The normal petrol and diesel Jetta has 16 inch wheels,the TURBO model has 17 inch alloys.

[natnat]

tyres sizes for jetta, golf and cl9 are the same.

205 55 16
225 45 17
225 40 18

[minircc]

Just wanted to give you guys an update after a few months of owning the Jetta.

2007 Jetta 2.0FSI 6spd vs 2004 Euro Lux 2.4L 6spd

CONS
- 2.0FSI engine not as smooth as CL9's 2.4l.
- required to purchase a VAG as part of ownership to diagnose problems (for us enthusiasts)
- timing belt needs changing whereas CL9 has timing chain
- jetta sits a bit too high when stock, especially the rear.
- engine sounded like a diesel for a little while, but VAG picked up issue and it was an easy $80 DIY fix (cam sensor replaced).
- every time i switch climate control to re-circulate air, the aircond automatically swtiches on (standard, i don't like that)

PROS
- very solid built quality (not one creak or rattle.)
- much more fuel efficient
- better power delivery and slightly better handling / ride
- no more radio ringing noise (as i had the pre-update CL9 which drove me crazy)
- no lift off jerkiness when still in gear
- very easy DIY service (super easy access to oil filter ie. at front facing right down)
- a lot more standard features (ie. storage compartments under drivers and passengers seat, boot power output for travel fridge, auto wipers, auto headlights, auto dimming rear view mirror, climate control etc.)
- with rear seats folded down i was able to fit an inner spring single mattress flat in boot that i needed to drive home.

Overall, both are very good cars in their own right.

[flipfire]

purchase a VAG

lulz

[antony]

I am enjoying my Euro,but also loved my Jetta...

Both good looking too,which is better ???

I am not sure.

I think Euro is more refined,Jetta has more toys to play with,and VW are much more aggressive than Honda these days.

[minircc]

hey antony, whenever i miss and feel like driving a euro again, we trade for a day okay! lol :)

[Fredoops]

I am enjoying my Euro,but also loved my Jetta...

Both good looking too,which is better ???

I am not sure.

I think Euro is more refined,Jetta has more toys to play with,and VW are much more aggressive than Honda these days.

and the VAG is wayyyyyy easier to tune/mod compared to CU2..
God Bless America for the VW tuning scene

[natnat]

VW... most things are controlled by VAG COM... power window, lights, door locks.... buy VW (the performance cars, not the bluemotion or non turbo 4 cylinders) for fun.

Honda... straight uncomplicated electrical work... switch, relay, light, done. buy Honda for reliability but less fun.

[antony]

hey antony, whenever i miss and feel like driving a euro again, we trade for a day okay! lol :)

Deal...

[antony]

VW... most things are controlled by VAG COM... power window, lights, door locks.... buy VW (the performance cars, not the bluemotion or non turbo 4 cylinders) for fun.

Honda... straight uncomplicated electrical work... switch, relay, light, done. buy Honda for reliability but less fun.

At the end of the day,I think RELIABILITY and BUILD QUALITY are more important than fun...