help type r strut bar

[Chrispee]

can someone tell me what size bolts too use i want too put a my type r strut bar on a eg5 has anyone done it yet thanks chris

[TheSaint]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY - ITS NOT A ****ING STRUT BAR

its a chassis brace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if i had a $ for everytime sum1 said this i would be rich

you use them in junction with a strut bar - but not AS a strut bar

it mounts on the strut towers not the actual struts themselves ...

for example MY CAR ...

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp81/the_saint7/P7240105.jpg?t=1280026208

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp81/the_saint7/P7240093.jpg?t=1280026404

hang on ... *goes to shed and checks bolts* ... standard 13mm bolts from the hardware store

[Premature Vtec]

^^ LEGEND LOL !!!!!! Even gives us the answer ! +1 mate

[curtis265]

oh a chassis brace is different to a strut bar?
LOL

care to explain?

[TheSaint]

one connects the strut tops and the other connects to the wall of the car ... seriously how dumb are you people?

you can clearly see in the pic above

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Cats/Retard.jpg

[curtis265]

one connects the strut tops and the other connects to the wall of the car ... seriously how dumb are you people?

you can clearly see in the pic above

I'm talking about the functional difference, not what they're connected to or what effects these connections have.

They're both essentially doing the same job of stiffening the chassis and reducing chassis deformation, which would explain why people are using the terms interchangeably.

The only difference i can see is that the strut bar appears to be only resisting axil shortening of the tops of the suspension, and the other resisting rotation and axial shortening of the two sides of the chassis.


Please don't answer if you're going to be dick about it

[TheSaint]

im just sick of ppl not knowing the difference

the stock honda bars (including type-r) only connect to the body of the car (not even really a part where the chassis runs) and doesnt really offer too much stability
i found with only the OEM bar connected the car tends to still lurch forward on one side in corners -
the bar only seems to add a bridge where the bonnet/engine is - which helps a little in low speed cornering and keeping the car flat but is no good at all when taking a corner a little harder
the ITR brace was almost exactly the same as the OEM VTIR brace (which is a black version of the EK9 brace lol)

a bar that mounts on the strut tops - aka strut bar - offers much better and direct stability over the oem honda bars
i noticed a huge improvement in both low and higher speed cornering - much better in wider sweeping corners and car holds the road better in highway conditions

put them both together and u get a nice feel - but to be honest ADDING the honda bar doesnt really do much

and after vigouresly testing both seperatly and together in the pics above (as well as a stock ITR bar) the strut bar wins hands down over the stock honda bars

so ... YES there is a difference ... and NO im not being a dick - just feel bad about all these ppl that are misconceived and ripped off

its also worth noting that adding a lower support bar also has a dramatic effect - it really gives you all you can get from the upper bar and you suspension setup

http://www.s-tuningparts.com/shop/images/civic%20eg%20flb.jpg

[.k.]

One has a better "FEEEEEEEEEL" than the other (vigorous testing reference of course) , but essentially they're both there for the same reason. One's called different from the other, but due to their similar characteristics in chassis stability and rigidity~ these terms are used interchangeably.. and frankly everyone does it. No need to go completely off your nut about what it's called! We all knew what he was talking about anyway...

Please don't flame at me for stating the obvious. :(

[TheSaint]

actually ... no they dont do the same thing

and the whole point of a strut bar or tower/chassis bar is feel

the idea is that it connects the STRUT/SPRING/COILOVERS together so that there is no inward or forward/backward flex between them

the stock unit DOES NOT do this - it only adds a support bar for the engine bay where there would usually be one in the cars design

the difference when testing them is blatantly obvious

if you want to put 'performance' mods on your car - than take the time to learn about what each item will do - including the differences

im not flaming the OP - im just saying before you go fork out $100 for a 'ITR strut brace' - know what you are buying and that it wont actually do as much as if you spent $40 more on a proper strut brace

[string]

They're mounted to the exact same piece of metal just 5cm apart... how can you possibly tell us they don't do the same thing?!?

[TheSaint]

no they are not mounted to the same peice of metal ... how stupid are you

LOOK AT THE DAMN PICS - EPIC FACEPALM

the strut brace mounts ON THE STRUT TOWERS - LOOK WHERE THE BOLTS GO - SEE THE BIG RED RUBBER PART - KNOW WHAT THAT IS?

the oem unit only mounts on the metal siding of the car

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/upload/2009/04/why_projection_isnt_all_its_cracked_up_t/picardandrikerdoublefacnm1.jpg

[.k.]

i didnt actually say they do the same thing.. i said they're there for the same reason (if that makes sense)~ reason being your defined 'feel' characteristic.

but i completely understand. they dont do the same thing, but the whole point of both is 'feel'.

cheers boss, i'll invest in a d15 and get some real performance going :thumbsup:

[curtis265]

also look at the hinge connection - that allows the rotation of the top of the stur towers :)

[TheSaint]

i didnt actually say they do the same thing.. i said they're there for the same reason (if that makes sense)~ reason being your defined 'feel' characteristic.

but i completely understand. they dont do the same thing, but the whole point of both is 'feel'.

cheers boss, i'll invest in a d15 and get some real performance going :thumbsup:

the d15 isnt my only car ... its a side project - would love to see you do the same thing with the same engine mate

would chew up and spit out ur R18 lol

oh you dont want to race the D15? ok well than u can have a go at the subaru rally car than?

anyway im only trying to help - u noob nuggets dont want the help than i wont say any more - have fun

[string]

I must be very stupid. Almost as stupid as people who think these bars do anything.

[TheSaint]

im doing up the D15 for fun - not for all out performance - its been a blast squeezing every drop out of that engine

and string - ur right man - on their own they do NOTHING - well nothing noticable anyway

i have the UR upper front and UR lower front with UR 4 point rear, swaybar, sport shocks and some tein springs - working all together its really nice

adding the UR front lower really made a difference - car is nice and flat through corners now - but if you remove any one of the bars - its screws up the whole setup

eitherway - OP its not actually a 'strut bar' just to clear it up - and the bolts are 13mm - let us know how it goes =)

[.k.]

i wont take anymore personal jabs at you :D i had my fun LOl but anyway~ the point of my post (originally) was to say, you didn't have to go completely off your nut at this "noob nugget" for mixing up names of 2 types of bars, that are typically used interchangeably anyway. he got the info he needed :P we just gave him a bonus ozhonda keyboard warrior battle. im done ~ off to work :)

[TheSaint]

i wont take anymore personal jabs at you :D i had my fun LOl but anyway~ the point of my post (originally) was to say, you didn't have to go completely off your nut at this "noob nugget" for mixing up names of 2 types of bars, that are typically used interchangeably anyway. he got the info he needed :P we just gave him a bonus ozhonda keyboard warrior battle. im done ~ off to work :)

yeah thats cool man =)

i just feel like i correct the mistake at least 6 times a day - getting sick of it lol

[curtis265]

wat a thread!

[meatball]

^ 2nd that!

[TheSaint]

wat a thread!

i know right!

i think i was wound up just a little tighter than oem torque setting when i woke up this morning haha

[Oz_Striker]

your my hero TheSaint lol :P

[chauster]

http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/6516/original/polar-bear-face-palm_thumbnail.jpg?1248715830

[WATAJK]

Shit just got real :cool:..... in this thread over a strut & chassis brace LOL :thumbsup:

[mugen_ctr]

bahahahahaha, saints the man! he knows what his talkin bout, yet ppl still tryna have a go :D

To the Op, if u really want chassis stiffener, go for a full blown FIA approved welded roll cage, lol, u knw u wanna :P

[TheSaint]

your my hero TheSaint lol :P

http://i38.tinypic.com/2z7mtqe.jpg

im so JDM ... i shoot webz!!

[TheSaint]

but seriously ... i think we should mark this day on the calendar as 'Strut Brace Awareness Day'

spread the awareness yo - stop noobs from being ripped off =)

see here

http://www.ultraracingaustralia.com/page2.htm

the force on the struts/shocks/coil-overs is still too much for the OEM braces, they are not mounted to the actual shock and will still cause up and down and opposing forward lateral flex (hard to explain via typing lol)

(lets see if i can ... clap ur hands together, now pull them apart an inch, these are your shocks using an OEM brace, now point ur left fingers down and move that hand forward, ur right fingers point up and move that hand backwards - now swap positions - this is what happens with cornering with the OEM brace)
(do the same again so that ur hands are an inch apart, flat palmed, fingers together, now keep them in the same position but move ur left hand 1cm forward and ur right hand 1cm back - now swap positions and visa versa - this is the kind of force ur get with a front strut brace when cornering)

probably still fail at explaining it but meh...

when the actual struts/shocks/coil-overs are connected themselves, the force from the wheels/swaybar/road goes up and through the bar onto the opposite strut/shock/coilover
visa versa for the lower brace

[mugen_ctr]

but seriously ... i think we should mark this day on the calendar as 'Strut Brace Awareness Day'

spread the awareness yo - stop noobs from being ripped off =)

see here

http://www.ultraracingaustralia.com/page2.htm

the force on the struts/shocks/coil-overs is still too much for the OEM braces, they are not mounted to the actual shock and will still cause up and down and opposing forward lateral flex (hard to explain via typing lol)

(lets see if i can ... clap ur hands together, now pull them apart an inch, these are your shocks using an OEM brace, now point ur left fingers down and move that hand forward, ur right fingers point up and move that hand backwards - now swap positions - this is what happens with cornering with the OEM brace)
(do the same again so that ur hands are an inch apart, flat palmed, fingers together, now keep them in the same position but move ur left hand 1cm forward and ur right hand 1cm back - now swap positions and visa versa - this is the kind of force ur get with a front strut brace when cornering)

probably still fail at explaining it but meh...

when the actual struts/shocks/coil-overs are connected themselves, the force from the wheels/swaybar/road goes up and through the bar onto the opposite strut/shock/coilover
visa versa for the lower brace

Thumbs up! lol, doesnt even needa look far to find the answer for all noobs, sticky it i say

after a quick glance, all those chassis support, struts, i tend to disagree with a few of them.... especially the fender ones, dont get me wrong, im no engineer, but id say if cars flex that much that u needed that, than it would pretty much be dangerous to drive it around, and not adr approved...
cars are designed to flex, yes true, for safety reasons as such, but to flex to the amount where its like they describe, i smell dog turd

[TheSaint]

yeah thats the one part i didnt buy from them - the fender braces - i dont think they are necessary and they are a bitch to install ... meh

[na-118]

you think your top shelf not everyone knows as much as you ,

[ninzee]

lol this is 1 of the best reads iv had in a while and the best part about it was the question that was asked was about 4 bolts hahaha

[TheSaint]

at least i answered it straight away

[TheSaint]

you think your top shelf not everyone knows as much as you ,

never said i was? - but its not my problem if u dont have as many smarts as me?

[V73C]

Hahaha OP hasn't even got his answered yet, he just wanted to know the size of bolts lol.

[TheSaint]

i answered it in my 1st post ...

and again a bit later

ITS 13MM BOLTS FROM THE HARDWARE STORE

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0810/finish-him-superman-batman-fight-awesome-demotivational-poster-1223922549.jpg

[Vvvtec]

Hahahaha this is wicked! Made my day :D

[DC4Integra98]

In all seriousness, strut bars should be your last handling mod as they will not have much of an impact unless you have put money into other areas.

Most people on here put strut bars for bling effect or hardparking anyway

Start with sway bars and proper wheel setup etc before strut/chassis reinforcement.

[TheSaint]

In all seriousness, strut bars should be your last handling mod as they will not have much of an impact unless you have put money into other areas.

Most people on here put strut bars for bling effect or hardparking anyway

Start with sway bars and proper wheel setup etc before strut/chassis reinforcement.

spot on - the strut bar only makes a good suspension setup work better

get your wheels, tyres, swaybars + shock/spring/coilover setup sorted
than get front upper and lower strut bars and a rear strut bar - only than will it all tie together
a room/floor brace really makes a difference for sedans as well =)

[V73C]

i answered it in my 1st post ...

and again a bit later

ITS 13MM BOLTS FROM THE HARDWARE STORE

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0810/finish-him-superman-batman-fight-awesome-demotivational-poster-1223922549.jpg

Hahaha sorry i didnt see, was too excited jumping ahead. you the man Saint

[chauster]

did OP
/wrists himself?

[TheSaint]

Hahaha sorry i didnt see, was too excited jumping ahead. you the man Saint

i know right ... things are just WAY to EXCITING these days

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