Hanny's performance service

[95331140]

Hi guys,

Just got my 10,000KM service done at Hanny's Performance in Smithfield on my 2010 VTi-s Jazz.

Just like to share my experience..

Cost wise, Honda Parramatta quoted me $190. NRMA Motoserve quoted $180. Hanny's quoted me $130. In the end, I got charged $77, since I supplied my own Castrol Edge 5w-30 oil.

Hanny's also stamped the logbook. Time wise, it took them a whole 35mins on a busy Saturday morning. Very impressive.

Workshop wise, my only gripe is that the dirty mechanics sat in my car, without placing any plastic or sheet over the drivers seat. Not a biggie though. One other thing I noticed is that they suck the dirty oil up through the dipstick. I'm unsure how this method compares to the traditional drain.

The receptionist is also a very nice lady. Friendly and easy to deal with. I'm not affiliated with the company, but here are there details: Suite 3, 28 Victoria St, Smithfield, NSW, 2164 (02) 9725 5115

I think I might use them for the minor services and see Honda for the Major's. Since I can then get Honda to fix some minor interior issues under warranty.

Cheers, Mark.

[BlitZ]

mate, this is old school man...

Most old school enthusiact go to him and he doesnt even advertise anymore..

Robert is the owner and Hanny's he's wife. haahha

But on a serious note... If its not Robert or maybe Peter (if he is still there) working on your car, the rest of the guys aint that great at all

[Wilco]

mmm only 35mins to change the oil....is too quick in my opinion
dont get me wrong, yes most of used oil is out, but u'd want to let it drip for at least another 30mins to ensure all the 10% of bad oil left in there is out. secrets of the trade, if u had all the time in the world and u lived in a perfect world, ive been told an overnight drip is the ultimate. having said that, ive only ever done that twice.

first ive heard of removing oil from the dipstick area...one would think it would be more effort to defy gravity and drain oil upwards than to drain oil with help of gravity. they prolli did that cuz they were low on garage space, and did not want to work under the car with a jack. $77 is cheap...but $77 on an empty or not so busy day would be better.

didnt change the oil filter? seeing honda only recommends 20,000kms oil filter changes (which i find just plain wrong)

[flipfire]

Sucking oil out of dipstick doesnt sound like its gonna get everything out of the sump.

[fundies]

mmm only 35mins to change the oil....is too quick in my opinion
dont get me wrong, yes most of used oil is out, but u'd want to let it drip for at least another 30mins to ensure all the 10% of bad oil left in there is out. secrets of the trade, if u had all the time in the world and u lived in a perfect world, ive been told an overnight drip is the ultimate. having said that, ive only ever done that twice.

first ive heard of removing oil from the dipstick area...one would think it would be more effort to defy gravity and drain oil upwards than to drain oil with help of gravity. they prolli did that cuz they were low on garage space, and did not want to work under the car with a jack. $77 is cheap...but $77 on an empty or not so busy day would be better.

didnt change the oil filter? seeing honda only recommends 20,000kms oil filter changes (which i find just plain wrong)


I disagree totally here. I've been doing my own servicing/oil changes for over 20 years now, and most oil changes take less than 30 minutes. When engine oil is warm, 99.9% of the stuff is going to drain within a few minutes. You can sit around and watch the trickle turn into a drip every second or so, but you're wasting your time if you let this slow drip ( and I'm talking one drip every few seconds ) persist for much longer than 10 minutes. There is no need to be so anal about a little bit of old engine oil remain in the block, percentage wise, it doesn't even bare mentioning. You are aware that the Jazz, as in other cars, only has an oil filter replacement scheduled for every second oil change ? That's a few hundered ml's of old oil still in the engine mixing with the new oil, no probems. Good enough for Honda ( and other manufacturers ), good enough for me and you.

And remember this, the best oil change your car will ever get, is the one YOU do YOURSELF at home. ( Apprentices aren't all that fussy )

[RJL]

I disagree totally here. I've been doing my own servicing/oil changes for over 20 years now, and most oil changes take less than 30 minutes. When engine oil is warm, 99.9% of the stuff is going to drain within a few minutes. You can sit around and watch the trickle turn into a drip every second or so, but you're wasting your time if you let this slow drip ( and I'm talking one drip every few seconds ) persist for much longer than 10 minutes. There is no need to be so anal about a little bit of old engine oil remain in the block, percentage wise, it doesn't even bare mentioning. You are aware that the Jazz, as in other cars, only has an oil filter replacement scheduled for every second oil change ? That's a few hundered ml's of old oil still in the engine mixing with the new oil, no probems. Good enough for Honda ( and other manufacturers ), good enough for me and you.

And remember this, the best oil change your car will ever get, is the one YOU do YOURSELF at home. ( Apprentices aren't all that fussy )

I agree here, itsup to you if you want to do a good job, doing it yourself foryour own satisfaction, everybody has different perspectives!

[8700s14]

For $77 I am guessing it wasn't a proper interval service? Just a simple change the oil, check the coolant, check the gear oil and send you on your way?

[Wilco]

I disagree totally here. I've been doing my own servicing/oil changes for over 20 years now, and most oil changes take less than 30 minutes. When engine oil is warm, 99.9% of the stuff is going to drain within a few minutes. You can sit around and watch the trickle turn into a drip every second or so, but you're wasting your time if you let this slow drip ( and I'm talking one drip every few seconds ) persist for much longer than 10 minutes. There is no need to be so anal about a little bit of old engine oil remain in the block, percentage wise, it doesn't even bare mentioning. You are aware that the Jazz, as in other cars, only has an oil filter replacement scheduled for every second oil change ? That's a few hundered ml's of old oil still in the engine mixing with the new oil, no probems. Good enough for Honda ( and other manufacturers ), good enough for me and you.

And remember this, the best oil change your car will ever get, is the one YOU do YOURSELF at home. ( Apprentices aren't all that fussy )

I disagree to your first point, because notice how i said - "in the perfect world"? hence, doing a drip longer than 2hours (at that point, it would be 1 drip per 3mins thereabouts) would not be the norm. in the perfect world, anything and everything is perfect, so being anal about slow drips is the norm. I personally dont drip it overnight, but its good to mention how long a perfect drip would be.

I agree with the 2nd point, yes, the best service is from you, because u know what's going into your car. you may have done your own services for 20 odd years, congrats to you, thats not the point. the point here is, own services are best. however, how someone does their own services is up to them, and im just sharing my own opinion of when i have time to do my perfect service on my car, i let it drip for longer than 35mins. i might be wasting me time, but ive heard a whole lot different from others who have their own specific business for showcar industries, and have been in the trade for more then 20 years. so is it a matter of personal opinion...yes and no. to some who have been in the trade >20years, i'll let them answer that for themselves.

Then u have those who are in it for more than 20years and think, 20,000km oil change instead of the usual 10,000km = not good. Yes I'm aware that Jazz recommends every 20,000kms, but i personally think thats wrong. it may be good enough for me and you, but no, its not good enough for me to change it at 20,000kms. i prefer 10,000kms - because i think its wrong (either for the wrong or stupid/anal reasons, or for the right reasons)

[fundies]

I disagree to your first point, because notice how i said - "in the perfect world"? hence, doing a drip longer than 2hours (at that point, it would be 1 drip per 3mins thereabouts) would not be the norm. in the perfect world, anything and everything is perfect, so being anal about slow drips is the norm. I personally dont drip it overnight, but its good to mention how long a perfect drip would be.



Then u have those who are in it for more than 20years and think, 20,000km oil change instead of the usual 10,000km = not good. Yes I'm aware that Jazz recommends every 20,000kms, but i personally think thats wrong. it may be good enough for me and you, but no, its not good enough for me to change it at 20,000kms. i prefer 10,000kms - because i think its wrong (either for the wrong or stupid/anal reasons, or for the right reasons)


Wilco, you're beginning to sound like a drip:o

Who said anything about 20 K km oil changes ? I think you mean Oil filter. Get the facts correct, and people may take your comments seriously. Honda know what they are talking about, and so do I.

[8700s14]

I disagree to your first point, because notice how i said - "in the perfect world"? hence, doing a drip longer than 2hours (at that point, it would be 1 drip per 3mins thereabouts) would not be the norm. in the perfect world, anything and everything is perfect, so being anal about slow drips is the norm. I personally dont drip it overnight, but its good to mention how long a perfect drip would be.

I agree with the 2nd point, yes, the best service is from you, because u know what's going into your car. you may have done your own services for 20 odd years, congrats to you, thats not the point. the point here is, own services are best. however, how someone does their own services is up to them, and im just sharing my own opinion of when i have time to do my perfect service on my car, i let it drip for longer than 35mins. i might be wasting me time, but ive heard a whole lot different from others who have their own specific business for showcar industries, and have been in the trade for more then 20 years. so is it a matter of personal opinion...yes and no. to some who have been in the trade >20years, i'll let them answer that for themselves.

Then u have those who are in it for more than 20years and think, 20,000km oil change instead of the usual 10,000km = not good. Yes I'm aware that Jazz recommends every 20,000kms, but i personally think thats wrong. it may be good enough for me and you, but no, its not good enough for me to change it at 20,000kms. i prefer 10,000kms - because i think its wrong (either for the wrong or stupid/anal reasons, or for the right reasons)

Do you understand the lubrication characteristics of modern oils though? Oils have progressed such a long way in the last 20 years with all the additives they are using to prolong the event of the oil 'breaking down'. It has actually been proven that most engine oils become more effective with age (to a point of course), it is only the point where the molecules begin to break down within the oil that it becomes less effective as this is when it starts to become what is refered to as 'sludge'.

The only other factor is that a used oil will become 'dirty'. Obviously it goes without saying that there are differences in the quality of modern engines by comparison to an engine designed/built 20+ years ago. This all contributes to the engines ability to operate cleaner and therefore the oil will take a lot longer to become 'dirty'

[p33r]

Honestly Hannys is great value for money and everything but I find rob is so busy nowadays that he doesn't really care for customers much anymore. He's also rushing you and wants to send you on your way. He will try n tell you to ignore little problems because they're obviously not worth his time. To do an hr job, it took me a week and several times popping in before he finally agreed to do the job that I had booked. A few other little incidents which I won't go into here.

They're not very meticulous either, seem to kinda half ass their jobs nowadays. I understand they're really busy but you gotta have some level of customer care. I still would go to them for my services and some other things since they are so affordable but am hoping they raise the bar on these issues..

[Wilco]

Wilco, you're beginning to sound like a drip:o

Who said anything about 20 K km oil changes ? I think you mean Oil filter.

hahaha yea i meant oil filter change, i didnt type out the word "filter". if u c my prior post, i mentioned 20k oil filter, not 20k oil change. this is why i cbf having serious discussions on forums, because when u miss type something, 4get to mention something, everyone then thinks wtf ?!?! hence 8700s14's post about me thinking that 20k oil doesnt work - which i believe does...so...soory to have wasted 8700s14 time in posting what he/she said :)

buttom line is, i believe oil change at whatever recommended manufacturer intervals, but i dont believe in 20k (or every 2nd service interval) oil filter change for japanese cars. Yes all german counterparts have 6mth-12mth 15k -25k oil and oil filter changes, but thats their design. most, if not all jap cars have every 6mth 7.5k-15k oil changes, and if you only change the oil and give your filter a miss for that interval...it just increases the chances of "dirty" oil as per what 8700s14 mentioned. hope that clears the air re my opinion lol.

anyway on a more lighter and back to the topic note,
who does oil changes via dipstick as their conventional oil change method? thats an interesting point

[jdm_b16a]

You can buy a special suction device that drains all the oil out of your sump through the dipstick. It is efficient and cost effective, saves time (and therefore money). You can also refill through the same dipstick tube.

Here are some examples:

http://images.craigslist.org/3nc3k33of5O35S25R0a8k2a7a03f9817b1407.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31KNWRA4RTL._AA280_.jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/3n83k23pd5O25T55R2a94e5d9699ccb621c18.jpg

... and in action ... good enough for MB and AUDI ...

http://www.peachparts.com/diy/oilfilter2/diy_oil_210_2.jpg

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/113802/dsc01147.jpg

Most marine shops sell them.

Peter

[Wilco]

thanks peter
very interesting. been out for ages, but i guess i havent seen many shops use this method. just imagine if youre doing bulk oil changes, i guess an investment in x10 or more of these would reap instant investment returns.

do u know if u can use these for coolant as well?

[fundies]

But does it get all "the drips of oil out" for Wilco ;)

[Wilco]

But does it get all "the drips of oil out" for Wilco ;)

:p no, i would get another one and suck it from the bottom oil pan ;)

[8700s14]

I would not want to use a device to draw the oil up through the dipstick for one simple reason; I don't get to take a look at the magnetic sump plug to see if there are any dodgy metal bits hanging around!

[jdm_b16a]

I would not want to use a device to draw the oil up through the dipstick for one simple reason; I don't get to take a look at the magnetic sump plug to see if there are any dodgy metal bits hanging around!

Having removed the oil from the sump, the next step in any oil change would be to remove the sump plug and check it!

[r3ckless]

That device would be great for tranny oil changes!

[na-118]

35 mins to do oil change??

ill do it for 40 bucks 15 minutes

[8700s14]

Having removed the oil from the sump, the next step in any oil change would be to remove the sump plug and check it!

I thought the idea of drawing the oil up through the dipstick hole was that you would save time by not needing to get under the car and undo the sump plug though?

[grifty]

thanks peter
very interesting. been out for ages, but i guess i havent seen many shops use this method. just imagine if youre doing bulk oil changes, i guess an investment in x10 or more of these would reap instant investment returns.

do u know if u can use these for coolant as well?

no you wont able to use it to remove coolant because there is no way you can get the pipe to the lowest part of the cooling system.

[jdm_b16a]

I thought the idea of drawing the oil up through the dipstick hole was that you would save time by not needing to get under the car and undo the sump plug though?

Correct. I'm saying what I would do. I hate the smell of oil, especially synthetic oil - it makes me feel ill. So I would use this device to empty the sump, then remove the drain plug, etc.

A workshop on the other hand would just drain the oil. You are paying them for an oil change, not an inspection of your engine's condition.

Peter

[Wilco]

35 mins to do oil change??

ill do it for 40 bucks 15 minutes

LOL too bad your in sydney. we need more of u's around here! haha

(melbourne that is)

[BlitZ]

does 40 include oil? if so, im coming by...

dripping over a few hours is plain silly..

[BlitZ]

do u know if u can use these for coolant as well?

From the guy who drips he's oil out over night...
how in the world are u going to thread the hose through the radiator?

[flipfire]

I usually pour a bit of fresh oil when the sump is open to push out some of the old oil.

[ckk_919]

hi, would like to know if you do the service outside the honda dealer (minor service).
How can you continue the warrantly?
The requirement of warrantly is going to dealer for EVERY 6 months or 10,000km, isnt it?
Did I misunderstand something LOL
let me know