Vtec

[schonda]

Where did the "VTEC YO" comment originate from?

Why is Honda always associated as a 'ricer' car more than the other jap/asian brands?

And why do people think that Honda owners think VTEC is the fastest thing ever, i doubt majority think this yet the perception is there.

[SajadEG]

http://http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.seemslegit.com/_images/b9cf18c070df94d1bb5428d65bb6aa3b/1388%2520-%2520civic%2520honda%2520rice.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.seemslegit.com/post/list/rice/1&usg=__ZJ-D6y62J_hGbqMljVQDdERA7Is=&h=600&w=750&sz=73&hl=en&start=44&zoom=1&tbnid=2nve038LAwV5pM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhonda%2Bcivic%2Brice%26um%3D1%26hl%3D en%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7ADRA_en%26biw%3D1345%26bih%3D 512%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=780&ei=IGrNTOWaK4TfccTjia4O&oei=0mnNTL23Nczzcan8mYQO&esq=3&page=3&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:21,s:44&tx=60&ty=77

[schonda]

cant see the pic?

[d15z1SUX]

think it originated from the ricer days. honda drivers used to genuinely think their cars were the shit and fastest thing out there? they also were the most common car to sport the most ridiculous exterior/interior mods?

[Wez_R]

Who is stating vtec is the fastest thing ever? put it next to a stock turbo or v8 and see it work its magic.

[curtis265]

IMO it started from FnF, ruined everything

[schonda]

I would have thought FnF made it look 'cool' in theory.

[curtis265]

did, but then 16 y.o. kids got their hands on them, bought bodykits for them and ruined their image overall. Then superwide bodykits went out of fashion and have looked ridiculous ever since.

It probably has something to do with NA and it's lack of tuning potential, and the FWD factor too. Performance aside, there was no real performance in the honda brand (type R's aside), just cars manufactured and then modified to look like they were fast. I suppose that is rice.

I personally call anything fast and japanese rice anyway, evos, s13/14/15's, R32,33,34's, sti's...

[Wez_R]

True^^^

[mocchi]

did, but then 16 y.o. kids got their hands on them, bought bodykits for them and ruined their image overall. Then superwide bodykits went out of fashion and have looked ridiculous ever since.

It probably has something to do with NA and it's lack of tuning potential, and the FWD factor too. Performance aside, there was no real performance in the honda brand (type R's aside), just cars manufactured and then modified to look like they were fast. I suppose that is rice.

I personally call anything fast and japanese rice anyway, evos, s13/14/15's, R32,33,34's, sti's...

fast+japanese = rice?
its sushi.

[act_gooner]

Honda's are the most rice? News to me. I always thought the worst cars were Corolla's, Pulsar's, Xcels, Lasers, Lancers etc

[xntrik]

just a handful of delinquents ruining it for the rest of us.

[Lukey]

vtec is overrated

[SajadEG]

How does someone throw a spoiler onto a Camry and feel good about it?

[Oz_Striker]

How does someone throw a spoiler onto a Camry and feel good about it?

i supose the satifaction of that would come when they take it off realizing how rediculous it actually looks and how little it improves their performance

In my opinion rice is a combination of distastefull modification combined with try hards that think their cars are fast because they have massive racing wings and "fully sick body kits and bonnet scoops" even though they still have a 6 inch gap under their guards, a stock motor and Bob Jane allrounders lol my 2 cents

[jks24]

Bogans do up commies and falcons worse IMO

[curtis265]

^+1 to that.

[ekay1]

I guess its just down preference lol. Some people like huge bodykits with the loudest muffler out, some like a clean look with an exhaust for performance.

[act_gooner]

Loud mufflers aren't always rice. If I had a Type R I would want it to be loud as.

[ekay1]

As i said, preference =P

[schonda]

I reckon it's the V8 loving bogans that created the racist rice term. I like Calais before any car and im half asian due to their comfort, and thought only old chinese men drove honda's till i got an 08 civic and loved it and now an accord euro i really appreciate the jap cars so i get the shts at those 'rice' terms - it's degrading even if it was not meant to be.

[JohnO]

rednecks from the states coined that term. i love my type r as is apart from some small mods. atleast jap cars are made to last and not flimsy shit.

[act_gooner]

It is all the Aussie and American muscle car fans that come up with the terms. They also came up with Eurotrash. I think its an insecurity thing. They're the type of guys who try to make themselves look big because they got small wangs.

[JohnO]

big hsv cars to accommodate them.

[schonda]

Now we are on track with the origins of the term muscle car drivers who have insecurity issues.

As they say small men hve bigger ego's

Apart from bogandore, what terms do we have to retaliate to these insecure fools?

[jks24]

big hsv cars to accommodate them.

I find it hard to understand how the majority of bogans can afford the fuel bill for a v6 or v8. It must cost them a fortune considering alot of them like to drive the older models which of course have even worse fuel economy..

Ive also always wondered how the hell they can afford to buy the big HSVs, FPVs etc. Alot would be loans I reckon, there is a boofhead at my work who took out a $45000 personal loan to buy a brand new HSV and he thought nothing of it :L Piece of shit will loose its value so quickly and it is so damm ugly and bulky. Give him a few years and he will wonder why he still doesnt have a house..

I cop shit about driving a civic all the time lol, apparently I drive a hair dressers car :D

[1996_EK_Civic]

i used to cop shit from my Asian friend for driving a Civic lol, then i gave him the vtec treatment he likes my car now.
and another of friends said, that he would never drive a 4 cyclinder gutless piece of shit, and as above he is the type of teenager who think commodores are the greatest and nothing will beat them... i just want someone to absolutely thrash him in a Type R or some other other 4 cyclinder car, it would make my day

[Bulbasaur]

tbh i like ricer cars. my definition of a ricer is just a car with styling over performance. http://designercars.nl/biler/Honda-Civic-171.jpg this civic is example of rice cooked to perfection it has got everything a ricer would want wing, gills, full bodykit and whatever, we can also see it lives in a riceyard from the cars next to it. with all that the car does not exactly go any faster, the aerodynamics would have changed but it wouldnt make that much of a diffrence to driving a stock civic when your actually in it. some people might start calling it clean or w.e but how the **** do u clean rice when it has already been cooked?

[anzai]

i used to cop a lot of shit people at work saying my civic is a rice burner bwah bwah

i ask them the definition of rice and one ignorant moron who drives a 2.4l camry said "your little 1.6l honda civic" and others would go "honda and any japanese cars which are modified"

i then showed them a few photos, here's some:

http://no1pony.com/images/Poor_BMW_Ricer.jpg

http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/ford/2002-ford-006.jpg

i ask them, are these rice too? they go "no, there not japanese".

then i ask them if a civic type r which is highly modified by a reputable japanese tuning company (spoon) would be rice. they answered "of course it is its a civic"

some people i just like to smash their head in.

[curtis265]

Depends how u se rice, people don't necessarily mean it in a derogatory way

I'm sure they'd consider those pics as equally ridiculous

[schonda]

i used to cop shit from my Asian friend for driving a Civic lol, then i gave him the vtec treatment he likes my car now.
and another of friends said, that he would never drive a 4 cyclinder gutless piece of shit, and as above he is the type of teenager who think commodores are the greatest and nothing will beat them... i just want someone to absolutely thrash him in a Type R or some other other 4 cyclinder car, it would make my day

ill thrash him in my euro, pm me haha...

Nah i liked Calais cause i felt they were comfortable and had good power delivery when needed. But back then the commo was 140kw which is same as the euro now so haha.

It's just when i was young my asian mum would take me over to all her friends houses and they all had accords or civics, maroon red with gold plated this n that and a red thing hanging from mirror...so i got the impression only old asian people drove them. Then again, i always wondered why they were so comfortble.

[schonda]

i dont think a bogan has a lot of expenses compared to asian.

E.g. some are single (unlike larger asian families), dont have to give red pocked, cheap rent, loan as you said, only eat sandwiches or instant cheap meals haha

[Lukey]

first of all, race isnt a racist term.

rice = race inspired cosmetic enhancements

i call sexspec cars ricers, oh and cant forget all the people with there ricer lights (HIDs) for cars that arent designed for them

[jks24]

first of all, race isnt a racist term.

rice = race inspired cosmetic enhancements

i call sexspec cars ricers, oh and cant forget all the people with there ricer lights (HIDs) for cars that arent designed for them
oh shit I got HIDs :o

[1996_EK_Civic]

ill thrash him in my euro, pm me haha...

Nah i liked Calais cause i felt they were comfortable and had good power delivery when needed. But back then the commo was 140kw which is same as the euro now so haha.

It's just when i was young my asian mum would take me over to all her friends houses and they all had accords or civics, maroon red with gold plated this n that and a red thing hanging from mirror...so i got the impression only old asian people drove them. Then again, i always wondered why they were so comfortble.

haha! will do if needed lol,
It just really annoys me that he thinks that any Jap Car is shit...

[travisg]

i used to work with a guy who's bout 40,always owned holden v8's and believed like many missinformed and ignorant people,that japanese cars were crap.hence the term 'japcrap'.funny thing is i told him to drive a honda before you make asumptions.he sold his gts v8 and drives a euro now and is looking to buy his second honda and says he'l never go back to holdens.haha suck that holden...

[curtis265]

ahh enough shit talk about commy drivers, don't go down to their level.

for certain, they make more power and have better driveability in general. Japanese cars are 'crap' because they have no low end torque and have the impression that u have to kick the shit out of htem to overtake at the lights. and it's kinda true. You might have a high peak power but if 80% of the rev range is spent at less than 80% of it's max power, what's the use? That's typical of a NA, I4..

[SajadEG]

first of all, race isnt a racist term.

rice = race inspired cosmetic enhancements

i call sexspec cars ricers, oh and cant forget all the people with there ricer lights (HIDs) for cars that arent designed for them

how can u call sexspec rice? sexspec is dumped on big ass chromies...opposite of rice which is meant to look fast but isnt

[SajadEG]

holdens are mad fun to drive especially in the rain

[Lukey]

how can u call sexspec rice? sexspec is dumped on big ass chromies...opposite of rice which is meant to look fast but isnt

cos i can, or how about i start saying jdm yo cars ricers. = 98% of ozhonda are ricers

[curtis265]

haha! will do if needed lol,
It just really annoys me that he thinks that any Jap Car is shit...

Lol man get over it, that's just juvenile getting butthurt over shit like that

[Wez_R]

cos i can, or how about i start saying jdm yo cars ricers. = 98% of ozhonda are ricers

i must be in that 2% lol

[SajadEG]

cos i can, or how about i start saying jdm yo cars ricers. = 98% of ozhonda are ricers

yeh mate cos big sound systems, big chrome, custom paint and leather interior is race inspired aye?

[burak213]

vtec yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Wez_R]

HOW do you make your writing that big!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[dougie_504]

Where did the "VTEC YO" comment originate from?

Why is Honda always associated as a 'ricer' car more than the other jap/asian brands?

And why do people think that Honda owners think VTEC is the fastest thing ever, i doubt majority think this yet the perception is there.


No idea where 'VTEC YO' came from but it wasn't F&F no. 1.

As for Honda being associated with 'rice' and the owners being called 'ricers' that just BS. The same way we sometimes give muscle car owners crapola about having small dicks. IMO a real motoring enthusiast will like all cars for what they are.
To me, 'rice' is an overly extravagant style of exterior modification, with huge spoilers, exhaust tips and body kits etc. Then you get the 'Sexpec' and 'JDM' styles - it's up to you what you choose.
And finally I think we're probably known as ricers more than other Jap cars because we're more common? Maybe Hondas are just cheaper, more reliable, better looking or more fun to own? Or maybe they're generally not as fast as the turbo skylines and WRX's etc so they cop more crap?

As for VTEC I don't think we believe it's the fastest thing ever. However it was a sensational piece of engineering and the first of many variations (VVTi, Mivec etc have all mostly copied VTEC).
It allows the engine to run in a smooth, reliable and fuel efficient manner and when VTEC engages the engine can utilise a lumpy camshaft profile, producing more power, which would otherwise cause a 'lopey' idle and be less economical on fuel if it were the standard camshaft profile.
Plus it sounds sick.

[jaces13]

Hmm ..

well I understand why all Jap cars are called rice

but they MUST understand the difference between RICERS and TUNERS.

I dont consider myself as R.I.C.E, since I do have intentions of engine converting, or even boosting my d-series just doing the cosmetics first since im still a p-plater :)

but hey, when you guys really think about it, if we have haters, then we are doing something right aren't we? lol

if you guys get offended .. IF yous do .. lol then be the bigger man, smile and let them make a fool out of themselves by ignoring them :)

lol wow, lecture on ozhonda .. awsome

[jks24]

No idea where 'VTEC YO' came from but it wasn't F&F no. 1.

As for Honda being associated with 'rice' and the owners being called 'ricers' that just BS. The same way we sometimes give muscle car owners crapola about having small dicks. IMO a real motoring enthusiast will like all cars for what they are.
To me, 'rice' is an overly extravagant style of exterior modification, with huge spoilers, exhaust tips and body kits etc. Then you get the 'Sexpec' and 'JDM' styles - it's up to you what you choose.
And finally I think we're probably known as ricers more than other Jap cars because we're more common? Maybe Hondas are just cheaper, more reliable, better looking or more fun to own? Or maybe they're generally not as fast as the turbo skylines and WRX's etc so they cop more crap?

As for VTEC I don't think we believe it's the fastest thing ever. However it was a sensational piece of engineering and the first of many variations (VVTi, Mivec etc have all mostly copied VTEC).
It allows the engine to run in a smooth, reliable and fuel efficient manner and when VTEC engages the engine can utilise a lumpy camshaft profile, producing more power, which would otherwise cause a 'lopey' idle and be less economical on fuel if it were the standard camshaft profile.
Plus it sounds sick.

well said Dougie, I dont know about Honda's being more common and cheaper though. Skylines, WRX's etc etc are everywhere nowdays.

[dougie_504]

well said Dougie, I dont know about Honda's being more common and cheaper though. Skylines, WRX's etc etc are everywhere nowdays.


True actually. Skylines are the new commodore and I can sort of understand why.

A good friend of mine just bought an R33 GTST (the 2.5L turbo no the RB26 though) for $9,200. Sweet car, hate to say it lol. Pearl white, body kit, 116k KMs, and it goes pretty damned hard from 3k RPM upwards. Very comfortable and easy to drive also...

[schonda]

There a few meanings on urban dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rice&defid=1513712

Here is one that caught my eye:

Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. (R.I.C.E.)Parts put on cars to make them look fast, when they have no internal tuning, and are actually slow as hell. Parts usually consist of excessivley angular bodykits, large rear spoilers, neon, sponsor stickers, chrome rims, fake "coffee can" exhaust tips, and loud, annoying paint jobs and/or vynils. Sometimes parts are do-it-yourself installed and are basically duct taped to the car. Most commonly known for being done to Honda Civics, but can also be done to slow domestic vehicles, such as a Chevy Cavalier, etc.
"Yo dog, did you see the Civic that guy was rollin' in? it was so rice."

"This guy's got nothin' under the hood, it's just rice. Smoke him."

"What a riceboy, I bet he thinks his neon adds 50 bhp!"

[dougie_504]

There a few meanings on urban dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rice&defid=1513712

Here is one that caught my eye:

Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. (R.I.C.E.)Parts put on cars to make them look fast, when they have no internal tuning, and are actually slow as hell. Parts usually consist of excessivley angular bodykits, large rear spoilers, neon, sponsor stickers, chrome rims, fake "coffee can" exhaust tips, and loud, annoying paint jobs and/or vynils. Sometimes parts are do-it-yourself installed and are basically duct taped to the car. Most commonly known for being done to Honda Civics, but can also be done to slow domestic vehicles, such as a Chevy Cavalier, etc.
"Yo dog, did you see the Civic that guy was rollin' in? it was so rice."

"This guy's got nothin' under the hood, it's just rice. Smoke him."

"What a riceboy, I bet he thinks his neon adds 50 bhp!"


Bahaha. On the money IMO. I like that...Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements...

[act_gooner]

well said Dougie, I dont know about Honda's being more common and cheaper though. Skylines, WRX's etc etc are everywhere nowdays.

On my way to and from uni everyday I see so many WRX's its not even funny. R33 skylines are very common too though. Hardly ever see Integra's, Preludes, CRX's etc in comparison. As I get off my p's this week I've been searching WRX's on carsales and a lot of them seem to be cheaper than dc2r's, must have something to do with how common they are? Was surprised with how lame their engine bay looks aswell.

[curtis265]

I want a wrx too, but i can't afford to insu it.. :( Do you intend on comprehensive insu?/

[JohnO]

only wrx id settle for is the sti hatch, but after driving my sister's liberty afew times dont like the gearbox compared to an evo's box felt easier to put into gear.

[Wez_R]

yeah subaru gear boxes are weak as gotta be careful slapping gears cos they can f*** the gear box

[JohnO]

think after all these years subaru shouldve revised the gearbox and strengthened it for its sti range =/

[jks24]

On my way to and from uni everyday I see so many WRX's its not even funny. R33 skylines are very common too though. Hardly ever see Integra's, Preludes, CRX's etc in comparison. As I get off my p's this week I've been searching WRX's on carsales and a lot of them seem to be cheaper than dc2r's, must have something to do with how common they are? Was surprised with how lame their engine bay looks aswell.

THe only EM1 I ever see is my own :D

[Vvvtec]

Don't see a great lot of DC2's either :D

[JohnO]

see way to many ep3s now..

[dougie_504]

Personally I enjoy seeing other Honda enthusiasts on the road, especially when it's a Gen2 CRX. I often cruise with them when we're going the same way - it's a neutral understanding and appreciation of one another. Good opportunity to pull alongside and exchange an 'upside down nod' if you know what I mean :D

[act_gooner]

THe only EM1 I ever see is my own :D

Touche EM1's are rare. Its the later model civics that you see every 5 minutes. Accords are every where too, even Euros.

[Vvvtec]

Personally I enjoy seeing other Honda enthusiasts on the road, especially when it's a Gen2 CRX. I often cruise with them when we're going the same way - it's a neutral understanding and appreciation of one another. Good opportunity to pull alongside and exchange an 'upside down nod' if you know what I mean :D

Ain't that the truth! Whenever I come up next to another 'rarer' model, such as an EM1 or S2000, I always cruise up next to them, just to sort of say 'I appreciate these too' :)

[schonda]

CL9 euro's aren't THAT common.

Civics way more common.

Common ain't a bad thing either.

Corrolla and commodores are all over the place.

[JohnO]

you mean a yaris and jazz is all over the place

[dougie_504]

Common or not, I just think it's nice to pull up next to somebody who actually understands what your car means to you and you're going through with your build project.

And IMHO EP3/EM1/S2000 are only 'relatively' rare.

Considerably rare = NSX, Honda City Turbo II (Mugen's 'Bulldog'), the Gen1 Prelude, or the old Civic S-series etc :)


But whatever floats your boat. I like seeing passionate enthusiasts, whether it's another EG or something else...

[SajadEG]

Common or not, I just think it's nice to pull up next to somebody who actually understands what your car means to you and you're going through with your build project.

And IMHO EP3/EM1/S2000 are only 'relatively' rare.

Considerably rare = NSX, Honda City Turbo II (Mugen's 'Bulldog'), the Gen1 Prelude, or the old Civic S-series etc :)


But whatever floats your boat. I like seeing passionate enthusiasts, whether it's another EG or something else...

ive only ever seen an nsx once on the road...if there ever were such a thing as car porn.

[JohnO]

wish we'd get some of the hondas over in japan, after seeing the stream and crz everywhere i kinda like it.

[GSi_PSi]

seen a few nsx all driven by old men ? same with lambos and ferraris

[jks24]

Common or not, I just think it's nice to pull up next to somebody who actually understands what your car means to you and you're going through with your build project.

And IMHO EP3/EM1/S2000 are only 'relatively' rare.

Considerably rare = NSX, Honda City Turbo II (Mugen's 'Bulldog'), the Gen1 Prelude, or the old Civic S-series etc :)


But whatever floats your boat. I like seeing passionate enthusiasts, whether it's another EG or something else...

I might sound bias but I honestly never see EM1s unless I go to a Honda meet where there might be 1 or 2 if your lucky. I imagine alot of them would have been written off by now :( Then again though in my whole life I have only ever seen two nsx's, one on the road and one out at the track. S2000 seems common

Either way it doesnt matter, the more passionate enthusiasts the better :)

[Vvvtec]

I'm going to have to agree with Josh here, EM1's are a rare breed, certainly around our area. I've seen 2, yours and a black one that I've seen rolling around work.

I guess it varies big time betweens states, the amount of P-plated S2k's I've seen on this board that belong to guys in Vic and NSW massive compared to what I've seen up here. Not to mention EP3R's.

I see ALOT of Accords, including Euros around my area.

[ekay1]

Sydney seems to have alot of each honda, besides the NSX. EM1's, Euros, Jazz's, civics are rolling all over the place with the occasional s2k if your having a lucky day.

[travisg]

I'm starting to think im the only gen2 in Sydney....can't remember the last time i saw one,other than the one i see on bricks every afternoon on my way home

[waix]

EM1's can be found at sunnybank, a lot of silver ones.

[pablos8]

I actually hardly ever see EM1's.. just EJ8 wannabe's lol

See alot more S2k's than I do EM1's, and ALOT more ek's than I see EG's

I don't see non sexspec delsols very often either or gen2 crxes

but ek's, accords/euros are like the most common thing I see on a daily basis lol

[schonda]

I got raced by a honda civic last night an 07 model with the plates in pink called JOK123 or something like that, what an idiot trying to impress his little cute gf, so i zoomed past him and changed to his lane and mind my own business....then he comes racng past like as if i cant just push it down and overtake him easily with the euro.

I always had a mutual like with other honda drivers i always let them into my lane first hahahah a sought of club or something, but after that idiot last night who thinks his vti civic is quick than an euro...that's disrespect and i now know where the VTEC YO attitude comes from. If it shts me think about skyline or bmw owners how much it'd sht them.

By the way anyone have a short explanation of VTEC vs i-VTEC?

[SajadEG]

I got raced by a honda civic last night an 07 model with the plates in pink called JOK123 or something like that, what an idiot trying to impress his little cute gf, so i zoomed past him and changed to his lane and mind my own business....then he comes racng past like as if i cant just push it down and overtake him easily with the euro.

I always had a mutual like with other honda drivers i always let them into my lane first hahahah a sought of club or something, but after that idiot last night who thinks his vti civic is quick than an euro...that's disrespect and i now know where the VTEC YO attitude comes from. If it shts me think about skyline or bmw owners how much it'd sht them.

By the way anyone have a short explanation of VTEC vs i-VTEC?

laugh out loud

[curtis265]

i vtec is the same thing, just that the ECU has better control over what happens, and under what conditions the vtec cames activate etc.

just drive past and hold up your little pinky, no need to act like a 17 year old.

[act_gooner]

In Canberra dc2r's are heaps rare. Seriously, this year I've probably seen 2 (not including a white one thats often parked at uni) which is far less than the amount of Ferrari's I have seen. S2k's are pretty common, so are dc5r's and gen 4 and 5 Preludes.
Got totally dissed by a dude in a WRX today lol, was running massively late for work so I was driving pretty fast and each time I'd get in front of the WRX he'd just put his foot down and rape me, not that I was racing. Was funny, sounded awesome.

[sangyz]

Personally I enjoy seeing other Honda enthusiasts on the road, especially when it's a Gen2 CRX. I often cruise with them when we're going the same way - it's a neutral understanding and appreciation of one another. Good opportunity to pull alongside and exchange an 'upside down nod' if you know what I mean :D

when i do this to other nicely done / clean ek's .. they seem to think i want to race them .. =O