Compressing springs TOO HIGH!!!

[blabla]

Hi,

I would like to know what the thoughts are of the O/H in getting some eibach pro kits compressed to lower the car more as they are to high. I have bought them second hand or should i just sell them and get some skunk2/gc sleeves?

Sorry and i also forgot to add i have some skunk2 sports shocks can take up to 2.5inch lowering spring.


Kris

[d15z1SUX]

they say compressing isn't safe. sleeves may be better in the short term but the more u lower it the more stress it will put on your shocks and cause them to wear out. ideally you want to get some coilover suspension.

[blabla]

they say compressing isn't safe. sleeves may be better in the short term but the more u lower it the more stress it will put on your shocks and cause them to wear out. ideally you want to get some coilover suspension.

I got some skunk2 sports shock so can lower the car 2.5inchs so no problem going lower then what it is now

[blabla]

There is a two finger space between the guard and the tyre i'd like to have 1 and a bit ideally. But will they settle or is that it as i have bought the springs second hand.

[d15z1SUX]

they might settle a bit after a month or so. if you compress the spring it will go lower, but u will be using the same spring rate i think, so you may bottom out. maybe you can look for some springs that are made lower than your current ones?

[d15z1SUX]

actually i think u shud just get the skunk2 adjustable coilover springs :P

[blabla]

They are heeps stiffer then the pedders ones i had before and they were lowe, i'm gonna ask dny boy to take me for spin in his eg he has the skunk2 sleeves with the same shocks.

[ekay1]

Coils are the go if you have the $$. Compressing springs is like halfway from normal to chopped springs. Its dangerous imo and shouldnt be done, well just for safety precautions. If not, just get the skunk2 lowering springs. Heard that they drop quite alot.

[liberx]

I believe Eibach Pro Kits are a progressive rate spring - not sure if compressing them at all is advisable, as the spring rate you end up with may not be predictable, or suitable for the lower height.

Good springs are designed to be a certain rate, matched to a certain height. Screw this up and you have something which could constantly bottom out (too soft for given height) or too stiff (and not properly captured by the mounts at full extension). Either scenario is dangerous.

Get a spring designed to work at a certain height.

[blabla]

another issue i have is that the car sits lower on the drivers side compared to the passangers side so i think i look at the sleeves so that i can control the height correctly.

[blabla]

Not sure which of the sleeves to get $415.00 aus dollar for the Ground control kit or skunk2 sleeves for $379.14 aus dollar all prices inc shipping..

[blabla]

?? well ??

[quangsuke]

honestly i know that you said you dont need coilovers, but u can always wait it out until you find a bargain. picked up my coilovers for 700....GAB damper/Height
but i would go the ground control kit.

[pablos8]

Save your money for coilovers.

Best mod you'll ever buy.

Do it once, do it right :thumbsup:

[blabla]

No need for coilovers... I got skunk2 sports shocks already putting the sleeves over is just like having them anyways but a nicer ride then coilovers...

[bennjamin]

No need for coilovers... I got skunk2 sports shocks already putting the sleeves over is just like having them anyways but a nicer ride then coilovers...


thats an outright lie. Sleeves are absolute garbage...you must also use some shorter stiffer linear rated springs such as skunk2 s , and good for lowering ONLY nothing else.

[blabla]

put it this way i had pedders springs freggin crap. i have the pro kit cant stand the high ride height not only that the car sits lower on one side more then the other. so tell my the skunk2 sleeves and springs would work well with their sports shocks its the same sort if combination as the gc kit with konis but u can adjust the damper. its a daily more then anything and on odd occasion a beating around corners.

[bennjamin]

I'm saying all sleeve kits (ground control or whatever) are crap. They are only
Designed for one purpose and that's to give the option to lower a car or raise it at will.
If it aids your handling it's the placebo of stiff stiff springs. They aren't coupled with the correct shock valving to cope with the relative height of the intended setup either.
You are throwing money away dude trust mr just save up get some sort
Of DUAL perch adjustable coilovers , use them then sell later on for a decent resale.

[pablos8]

Do it once, do it right :thumbsup:

[blabla]

i am going ahead with sleeves because the only way u find out if something works for you is if you go ahead with it. i bought the eibachs and they dont work for me when it comes to the height, stiffness and the car sits lower on one side then the other. off the shelf kmacs are 190 a pair. i will be getting them installed correctly one finger gap in the front and rear might be the same or no gap. and ride qty is a personal preference.

[SiReal]

ive been in a car with sleeves in the back. worst ride quality i have ever been in. stiff as shit, bump oversteer, spring occasionally pops out . its seriously quite dangerous.. we ended up swapping over to compressed kings in the rear.

dual height coilver system is the best - spring is trapped and heigh adjustment doesnt alter the spring preload, etc.. learn from others because i can guarantee that after a while of sleeves (give it 2 months), u'll be swapping them out for something more comfortable/safer.

I've had spring/shock, single height coilover, dual height coilover and shock/sleeve..

I would choose dual height then, spring/shock, single height coil, and last is shock/sleeve.

[blabla]

so everyone would rather buy something like a hsd, bc or d2?

[flipfire]

bc, its cheap and does the job for street use. Not the best in terms of track performance though.

[pablos8]

Bc or ksport imo

Both good value for money

[blabla]

both the ksport and bc br serirs are around 1300. i dont have 1300 that i can just pull out of my ass like some other ppl.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200542154748&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130446181861&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290419919558&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180520936789&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Freights not cheap 200 roughly

all out of my price range

[bennjamin]

Dude seriously just get kings super lows and have a lowered car - ticks all your requirements. Cheap and low

[blabla]

i have found someD2 racing-III for 650 what a ppl's thoughts on these?

[blabla]

Dude seriously just get kings super lows and have a lowered car - ticks all your requirements. Cheap and low

u did read what i said in the initial post ye?

I have pedders spring which are too low. the car sits lower on drivers side then the passangers even with the eibachs in. i have found someD2 racing-III for 650 what your thoughts on these?

[pablos8]

I haven't really heard good things about D2 but thats just me.. Just because the pedders were lower on one side, that might of just been the springs, were they chopped/second hand? You can always get king springs with a 1" or 2" drop etc? It might even be your shocks that are sitting funny on one side. IMO BC/Ksport is best value for money coilovers. If you're going to spend $650 on D2 just save for a bit more and get better coilovers, if you cbf saving just get the D2's, they'll still do the job you need them for.

[bennjamin]

BC/ksport and D2 are all coilovers and are all the ultra cheap/entry level setups. They are not high quality and will not last through proper track work.....but in this instance they will do the job. So I say go for the D2s. You can use them for a few months then sell them for a ok resale.

[blabla]

www.otomoto.com.au/HDSystems/sleevekits.html these have s spring helper like the tanabe coilover but the sleeves are like 299 per pair

[Punisha00]

After reading this thread it looks to be blabla has already made his mind up. (everyone says sleeves r not safe and to get coilovers and blabla keeps goin back to sleeves because of funds). in regards to the eibach springs if I understand they are already compressed if so is there a chance that they messed it up and thats y your car sits funny or maybe the springs are designed for a certain side and you put it on wrong( engine isnt in the centre of the car so one side will be heavier)

just my 2 cents :D

[blabla]

NO. Dont assume i have got them compressed. i had pedders springs thay sat weirdly and the eibachs are doing the same. the question was can i compress then . ye i have gone with the sleeves. nothing is safe if installed incorrectly i have actually been speaking to someone with the skunk2 sleeves and shocks they have never had any issues with them and they also said its softer then coilovers they took the coilovers out for this setup. companies put alot money into R & D into there products for eg gc uses Eibach springs they just didnt go whambamb with the design so ye.

[vinnY]

sell the prokits, buy sportlines
done :)

[blabla]

went to autosaon spoke to concord customs they have have the Eibach pto kits reset on an audi s5 and has not encountered any problems but they have been sold. spring rates for the springs that come with the sleeves are 446lbs/in front & 335 lbs/in for the rear.

[simmy]

ksport coilovers sam at shift performance do them for 1 k brand new