Heel-and-toe with electronic throttle

[CRZYMF]

Hey Peoples,

I currently own a DC5R and am looking at trading in for an Accord Euro Luxury (6MT). The pedal positioning on the DC5R is perfect for heel-and-toeing, and I was wondering if the Accord Euro's pedal positioning allowed for decent heel-and-toeing??? The main reason I ask is because of the strange way in which the accelerator is mounted (i.e from the ground up) due to the electronic throttle control.

Anyone out there experienced with this? :wave:

Cheers,
Dale

[yfin]

It is a little different due to the accelerator hinged from the bottom - watch these videos from Temple of VTEC - there are a few comments and video footage of a heel and toe on the TSX/Euro

11meg each

http://video.vtec.net/03/tsx_accord_roadtest/dragon_tsx_drive1.mpg

http://video.vtec.net/03/tsx_accord_roadtest/dragon_tsx_drive2.mpg

[Usual Suspect]

I dont mean to be rude or cause offense, but other than on the track, why would u really need to heel-toe? And if u wanna go track, i dont imagine u need to be told to keep the DC5R.

[Kawasaki]

why not just left foot brake if u cant heel and toe? same thing

[yfin]

why not just left foot brake if u cant heel and toe? same thing
How do you press the clutch if your left foot is on the brake?

[|N|]

they r not the same... 2 totoally diff thing..

[Usual Suspect]

You could always try and heel-to eon the clutch and brake i guess lol.

[CRZYMF]

Once you can heel-and-toe you'll never go back....to be able to gear/slow down without throwing the car off balance and powering out in the right gear at the right revs is a beautiful thing *wipes salty tear from eye*

yfin, I'm with you on this one.

[CRZYMF]

thanks for the links to the vids by the way :D

[NeoNode]

Heel and toeing is better for the clutch when you want to use engine braking I suppose.

[CRZYMF]

There are no downsides to heel-and-toe that I can think of (in its most extreme case I guess it could over a long enough period cause minor wear to your ankle/knee joints from the slight twisting action, though I think this would be miniscule and insignificant).

There's a nice long list of benefits though, not the least of which is reducing powertrain wear. Add to that the improved cornering speeds and powering out of corners and you're on a winner. Oh, I guess I just figured out a downside....cornering faster = quicker and more uneven tyre wear....one just has to decide whether this is worth it, for me it is....you have to enjoy the driving experience of a car that you dropped substantial funds into :thumbsup:

[NeoNode]

Letting go of the clutch without heel and toeing could also lock up your wheels, in some cases.

[baboo]

it can be done smoothly, just need to take a little more practice.

Watch out when down changing from 2nd to 1st when you want to powerout of tight hairpin corners, you need to step on the throttle more to give more revs to match the short 1st gear ratio.

[bungsai]

once i started heel toe-ing, i couldnt go back, you cant beat the insanely smooth ride that it gives you when downshifting for turns

i can think of a couple of bad's fro heel to

1 - noobs when learning may experience slipping off the brake pedal
2 - some people concentrate too much on rev matching and not enough on braking!
3 - uses up more petrol

[spiller]

I have currently been working on heel-toeing but before that i just used to give it revs before letting out the clutch and then step on the brakes, only problem was i had trouble slowing down enough for the corner.

Anyway, the accelerator pedal in my 3rd gen is too far from the floor. i think i need some longer pedals

[EuroAccord13]

Because of the Euro's floor pedal style accelerator, I find it slightly daunting to heel toe... not really used to it at all....

[baboo]

Euro's accelerator is quite large, you should find you could use the side of your feet instead of the heel to blip the throttle.

[Rt!]

try heel toeing in a ****n commodore :/ its woeful. the new drive by wire is actually much better as the pedal is higher (go figure)

I double clutch these days as it can be hard to get into gear sometimes.. it can be a bit hard to heal toe and double clutch at the same time..

[CRZYMF]

Rt,

I don't understand why you are double clutching? Your Holden looks like a fairly recent model, in which case double-clutching serves no purpose...reason being is that your EMS in conjunction with your gearbox takes care of preparing for the next gear. I can understand if you had an old car, but new cars simply don't need two presses of the clutch in a heel-and-toe downward gear change.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in old cars the first press of the clutch was where you brought it out of gear into a neutral stance, you then released the clutch about half way and blipped the accelerator before clutching back in and changing gear and then finally fully releasing the clutch in the new gear. All this using the heel-and-toe action.

[coladuna]

it can be done smoothly, just need to take a little more practice.

Watch out when down changing from 2nd to 1st when you want to powerout of tight hairpin corners, you need to step on the throttle more to give more revs to match the short 1st gear ratio.
Can you even downshift to 1st at all?
My car refuses to go into 1st gear unless the car's come close to a halt.

[baboo]

Can you even downshift to 1st at all?
My car refuses to go into 1st gear unless the car's come close to a halt.you need to blip the throttle, as the topic said...heel and toe.

[Rt!]

I probably don't have to do it, but I find it hard to engage the gears unless I do rev it in neutral (the box is pretty notchy), you can feel a slight grinding sensation through the shifter if you try to just slam it down a few gears.. doesn't feel like its too good for the box.

[JDM Element]

wow, you need to double clutch? I thought trucks only needed to do that....

I heel and toe all the time, basically when i down shift, to preserve the syncros in the gearbox and for an all over smoother ride.

crzymf ur a funny kant..lol X-D