Suggestions on Cheap Engines

[Brixor]

What Engine goes hard for an EK 1 But doesn't hurt my wallet?

[Temp3st]

As far as i know you could do the mini me swap, put the 1.6 single cam vtec head on your block. Dont quote me on that though

[DC2-PWR]

Depends how much you got in your wallet? whats your budget.

[yellows2k]

yeah, budget is important. b16 is relatively cheap if u call $3k cheap, in and out

[Brixor]

yeah, budget is important. b16 is relatively cheap if u call $3k cheap, in and out

Is that for a New B16 or Aftermarket one?

[Brixor]

yeah, budget is important. b16 is relatively cheap if u call $3k cheap, in and out

Is that for a New B16 or Aftermarket one?

[Temp3st]

Lol? That question there shows you need to do a lot more research before just asking questions man. start be reading up on the noob guides about engine swaps, they're very good and very useful. Cant buy a new b16 (obviously) and aftermarket? Since when is there really such a thing as an aftermarket engine?

[DC2-PWR]

Lol? That question there shows you need to do a lot more research before just asking questions man. start be reading up on the noob guides about engine swaps, they're very good and very useful. Cant buy a new b16 (obviously) and aftermarket? Since when is there really such a thing as an aftermarket engine?

Haha funny question aye, but we were all there I guess.

Poplular non vtec engines -
d16y4 - stock ek1 motor ~ $1,000 max
B18b - stock integra gsi motor ~ $1,500 max

vtec engines -
B16A2 - EK4 motor ~ $2,500 max
B18C2 - Dc2 Vtir ~ $3,500 max

fitting charges - depends where you get it done $1,500?

So you have a few choices, you want something that goes hard, you have to work hard to get the money (obviously). But if i were you, I'd start from searching at auctions, buy a wrecked honda ek civic that hasn't got a damaged motor. for an example, my best mate bought his 1998 Integra VTiR facelift for $2,500 from wreckers, damage was front end but engine was fine.

Hope I helped, good luck :D

[dougie_504]

Or H22A even

But I would probably go B-series

[bennjamin]

yeah, budget is important. b16 is relatively cheap if u call $3k cheap, in and out

Please find me and everyone a place that will install a b16a ....running including all b series parts needed for $3k in and out.

[najdi]

go pick up a d16y8 or even d16y1 sohc vtec...fairly cheap and with the right mods they can keep upto stock b series but then again if u got the money ud prefer b series anyday

[yellows2k]

Please find me and everyone a place that will install a b16a ....running including all b series parts needed for $3k in and out.

this is ozhomo, where everyone thinks getting a b16 or b18c is cheap as chips. $3k would be the engine itself, and labour is for free.
i guess this is why people never expect to get a fair price for a converted car

[blastnpast]

Hahahahah I laughed so damn hard where someone said is that for second hand or brand new! It's like get with the times :/ it's nearly 2011 the b16 engine starting being produced in like 90's and stopped in 99-00? Or maybe earlier lol anyways I'm gonna look into b16 or b18 swaps for my ek1 also :) however a h22a looks like it will chomp but will be a tad heavy i think

[Temp3st]

OP has an EK1, wouldnt that already mean he has the d16y4? Thats why i suggested the mini-me swap if you can find a head, itll make a bit of difference imo

[Temp3st]

Hahahahah I laughed so damn hard where someone said is that for second hand or brand new! It's like get with the times :/ it's nearly 2011 the b16 engine starting being produced in like 90's and stopped in 99-00? Or maybe earlier lol anyways I'm gonna look into b16 or b18 swaps for my ek1 also :) however a h22a looks like it will chomp but will be a tad heavy i think

H22 completely changed the suspension and handling characteristics of the car because there's more weight at the front, however dont hold me to it as i dont have that much experience of it and am just going by what i know

[mugen_ctr]

b18 over b16, same price, dunno why anyone would pay the same price for a smaller engine... there are more teggys out there than vtir civics, so odds are u will find a b18 cheaper than b16a motor

An also many dont factor in as said labour as well as registering the engine to the vehicle

i was quoted no kidding 7k! than another place wanted something like 6.5k for b18 motor, drive in an drive away.... ah joys oh owning a non b-series car lol

[Riced_Civic]

6.5k isnt that bad for a B18 swap if it was a C7 is u consider buying it would prob cost around the 4 to 5k mark.

cos u still need to factor in if some people might do a service (belts) as well as just installing.

[mugen_ctr]

just the standard b18c2... put maybe another 1.5k for c7

yea true about the water pumps, belts etc.. .as well as a new clutch, since the engine is out

[hisoka]

Please find me and everyone a place that will install a b16a ....running including all b series parts needed for $3k in and out.

you can get a halfcut for 2k in brisbane.

and most places charge 600 dollars labour or max 1000

????

theres heaps of places that would do it for 3k. its not 2005 anymore


lol in saying all that, i would spend bit more coin lol and change the shit. b16 probably been sitting in the docks for 9000 years hahaha

but ive put in a engine once before and changed nothing at all, oil filter was even the same.

not one thing was changed except bigger front mount. and it went hard for ever and is still going hard with next owner. i only changed gearbox oil and engine oil since there was none when i got it.

it was the cheapest fuken thing ive ever done but the best fun too

[mocchi]

in 2004, b16a was the shiz.
now is the k20. wonder what will the trend for 2020 haha.

[yellows2k]

see, i wasnt kidding

[quangsuke]

b18 over b16, same price, dunno why anyone would pay the same price for a smaller engine... there are more teggys out there than vtir civics, so odds are u will find a b18 cheaper than b16a motor

An also many dont factor in as said labour as well as registering the engine to the vehicle

i was quoted no kidding 7k! than another place wanted something like 6.5k for b18 motor, drive in an drive away.... ah joys oh owning a non b-series car lol

they aren't the same price......b16a/a2 go for 2.5 tops
b18c2 goes for 3.5

and also factor in some people want to register their car with the new motor say in a gli shell which is a 1.5lt
b16 wouldn't require engineering certificate as the b18c2 would.

[mocchi]

they aren't the same price......b16a/a2 go for 2.5 tops
b18c2 goes for 3.5

and also factor in some people want to register their car with the new motor say in a gli shell which is a 1.5lt
b16 wouldn't require engineering certificate as the b18c2 would.

you talking in an eg or ek? plus you should say which state law youre talking about.

[MikeyG]

u got 3.5 k?> i got a b18c2 running gear with koyo rad and hoses :D

[mugen_ctr]

they aren't the same price......b16a/a2 go for 2.5 tops
b18c2 goes for 3.5

and also factor in some people want to register their car with the new motor say in a gli shell which is a 1.5lt
b16 wouldn't require engineering certificate as the b18c2 would.

Ah cool, so b16a2, regardless of age can be dropped in just tell vic roads an thats that? or is there more to it im missin out on?

[mocchi]

Ah cool, so b16a2, regardless of age can be dropped in just tell vic roads an thats that? or is there more to it im missin out on?

cannot put older engine in newer chassis in vic.
VSI 20, Question #15
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/5C946861-35D8-42CF-A1A6-BA00F3D3A104/0/VSI20.pdf

[MWAKU]

H22 completely changed the suspension and handling characteristics of the car because there's more weight at the front, however dont hold me to it as i dont have that much experience of it and am just going by what i know

uh no you're wrong. it is heavier, by like 10-20kg... but the reason why the h series conversion creates problems is because to fit it best, the engine has to sit on a slight angle, which causes other problems that people say like steering.


they aren't the same price......b16a/a2 go for 2.5 tops
b18c2 goes for 3.5

and also factor in some people want to register their car with the new motor say in a gli shell which is a 1.5lt
b16 wouldn't require engineering certificate as the b18c2 would.

b18c2 wouldn't require an engineering cert in NSW because its still in the 15% displacement difference. the gli is 1.6L?..

i know people who have a breeze and get away with the conversion because the eg MODEL in general has a max 1.6L. i think they go by the max the model comes in, not ur specific model... but this im not quite 100% on.

and with pricing... it all depends... these dont come from shops which have RRP... lol... it sells for whatever the market deems they are worth... my cousin got a b18c2 installed for about 2.5k, the engine was like 1.5k, the rest installation and bits and peices added like 1k.... so dont take these ppls advice on prices of engines, they are so many different variables that can adjust the price...

then again there are people selling off their engines, for dreamer prices.. so keep that in mind too, everyone wants top dollar here at ozhonda for their shit lol


and curious, with the older engines thing, my mate wanted to put an older b16a in his new chassis eg, and it was fine, because it wasn't too old, it was only a few years older. dont quote me, but i think the "older engine in the newer shell" has more and everything to do with the emissions older engines produce, not specifically the age. (thus if the engine is only a few years older, u can put it in.. in NSW that is)

[blastnpast]

uh no you're wrong. it is heavier, by like 10-20kg... but the reason why the h series conversion creates problems is because to fit it best, the engine has to sit on a slight angle, which causes other problems that people say like steering.



b18c2 wouldn't require an engineering cert in NSW because its still in the 15% displacement difference. the gli is 1.6L?..

i know people who have a breeze and get away with the conversion because the eg MODEL in general has a max 1.6L. i think they go by the max the model comes in, not ur specific model... but this im not quite 100% on.

and with pricing... it all depends... these dont come from shops which have RRP... lol... it sells for whatever the market deems they are worth... my cousin got a b18c2 installed for about 2.5k, the engine was like 1.5k, the rest installation and bits and peices added like 1k.... so dont take these ppls advice on prices of engines, they are so many different variables that can adjust the price...

then again there are people selling off their engines, for dreamer prices.. so keep that in mind too, everyone wants top dollar here at ozhonda for their shit lol


and curious, with the older engines thing, my mate wanted to put an older b16a in his new chassis eg, and it was fine, because it wasn't too old, it was only a few years older. dont quote me, but i think the "older engine in the newer shell" has more and everything to do with the emissions older engines produce, not specifically the age. (thus if the engine is only a few years older, u can put it in.. in NSW that is)

... This guy knows his shit!!!

+1 rep mate

[MWAKU]

Haha funny question aye, but we were all there I guess.

Poplular non vtec engines -
d16y4 - stock ek1 motor ~ $1,000 max
B18b - stock integra gsi motor ~ $1,500 max

vtec engines -
B16A2 - EK4 motor ~ $2,500 max
B18C2 - Dc2 Vtir ~ $3,500 max

fitting charges - depends where you get it done $1,500?

So you have a few choices, you want something that goes hard, you have to work hard to get the money (obviously). But if i were you, I'd start from searching at auctions, buy a wrecked honda ek civic that hasn't got a damaged motor. for an example, my best mate bought his 1998 Integra VTiR facelift for $2,500 from wreckers, damage was front end but engine was fine.

Hope I helped, good luck :D

lmao the max id for for a stock ek1 motor, MAX is 400$.. lol...
b18b, 500$ max... lmao. these engines are usually old and worn too...

[mocchi]

b18c2 wouldn't require an engineering cert in NSW because its still in the 15% displacement difference. the gli is 1.6L?..
i know people who have a breeze and get away with the conversion because the eg MODEL in general has a max 1.6L. i think they go by the max the model comes in, not ur specific model... but this im not quite 100% on.

and curious, with the older engines thing, my mate wanted to put an older b16a in his new chassis eg, and it was fine, because it wasn't too old, it was only a few years older. dont quote me, but i think the "older engine in the newer shell" has more and everything to do with the emissions older engines produce, not specifically the age. (thus if the engine is only a few years older, u can put it in.. in NSW that is)

with engine size, i dont think that applies here in VIC. if an engine is an optional replacement engine for that car, you can register without engineering.
example: ej8 with b16a.

as for putting older engine in newer chassis, VSI20 is for VIC only. i dont think it applies anywhere else, however check with your RTA(NSW)?

ive called vicroads regarding an engine swap, the lady doesnt know what im talking about and told me to talk to a mechanic.
i think it really depends who takes your call and if they know anything about it.

[bennjamin]

As long as the replacement engine equals or surpasses the emissions standards of the chassis - any engine can work


IE obd2 motor in obd1
Chassis , obd1 motor will go into a obd2 chassis as long as the emissions are current. Easy to swap stuff around

[Temp3st]

Snap thanks Mwaku thats why i said dont quote me on it i was just going on what i was told by my good mate, his cousin has an H22 eg cheers for that though +1 for rep

[honda_zivic]

what abt if i was to get a d16a8 out of a 93 civic SI, and drop it in my car which is a 95 civic gli, would it be aight?
if not,
what if say my current engine sht itself and i cant find the same engine in same year and found a 94 instead would that be aight?

i know its illegal put older engine in newer body. but in this scenario wtf?
since its the same civic range from 92 - 95 and mostly share same engine and capcity but just in different years.

also this is for victoria

[DC2-PWR]

lmao the max id for for a stock ek1 motor, MAX is 400$.. lol...
b18b, 500$ max... lmao. these engines are usually old and worn too...

Haha serious, damn thats cheap

[Brixor]

Any Cheap Places in Sydney? :o

[bennjamin]

what abt if i was to get a d16a8 out of a 93 civic SI, and drop it in my car which is a 95 civic gli, would it be aight?
if not,
what if say my current engine sht itself and i cant find the same engine in same year and found a 94 instead would that be aight?

i know its illegal put older engine in newer body. but in this scenario wtf?
since its the same civic range from 92 - 95 and mostly share same engine and capcity but just in different years.

also this is for victoria


Yes as said above - if the motor uses the same emissions range ( obd1 , 92-95 - obd2 96-00 etc) then it will be regarded as a replacement motor. Just install , provide ownership details to a engineer and they will send the new
Engine number details to vicroads , vicroads should send you another rego sticker with new engine number on it

[honda_zivic]

^^^ cheers man. been lookin for an answer for a while.lol coz im lookin at getting a d16a8 and forged it so just want 2 be sure.

i had put in a engine that was 2yrs older then the original one and got it regod on my daily. fort it was a fluke.
but i did provide vic roads a statement from police station saying i bort it from wreckers ages ago and didnt know had to notify vic roads about engine swap. and they just stamp papers/print out new rego sticker with new engine no.