very random, but noob needs advice on making dc2r faster than s2k ;)

[cihanvtec]

okay.. weve got a dc2r and a rival of ours has an s2k.. were both gna be racing on track day (LEGAL drag race), but we need to beat him.. theres alot up for grabs :P loll so basically, what can we do to our type r, as in modifications, to make sure we absolutely wax this s2k. at the moment the dc2 has ihe and so does the s2k. and no its not all about slapping the s2k , i personally like them, its just the s2k has set the bar pretty high and we want to break that barrier. yes we are noobs and are new to the scene, so please, any information is much appreciated..

also how do you guys think a stock evo 6 would hold up againts an s2k? close one or will the evo take the cake?

[trism]

you wanna beat the the s2k?

Heres what you do.

Buy yourself a k20 out of a DC5r

you go and buy every single part out of the JUN catalogue.

Then you go and buy a 1000hp Turbonetics turbo, a Full Race exhaust manifold, and get a custom intake manifold made up

Then you get an ECU, maybe like a Hondata, and get it tuned, you should be able to pull at least 900Hp at the front wheels

Then, to top it off, you get yourself a Nitrous kit. Maybe like a 200Hp shot.

Then youll beat the s2k.

I mean, of course, this will probably all cost you upwards of 100 thousand dollars, once you factor all the supporting mods in, like the fuel system, as well as tyres that can put that sort of power to the ground, etc etc etc.

But you didnt give us a budget to work with, so what else did you expect someone to say?


Maybe give us a little more info, about things liek how much you wanna spend, and we can give you some real advice.

[V73C]

At the end of the day money talks man.

[dc2r-0636]

make your self faster NOT the car.

but anyway, hondata s300 + tune. also s2k isnt THAT fast, well at least not what all the hype is about.

also stock evo 6 will buff s2k

[mugen_ctr]

So he brought a car knowing that its not built for the strip... makes u wonder why ppl even buy type-rs these days lol, prbs all wank factor i guess

Shoulda brought a evo, skyline wrx etc as such from the start if uwanted straight line fun...... just look at the statistics really.. 2.0 turbo 4wd, 0-100 5.5 seconds? can s2k do that?

[dc2r-0636]

this is what i did when i went drags,

put tire pressure down to 20psi (at the front only, rears hard as rocks)

launched at 5500rpm, hand the hand brake up all the way, when i felt the cars rear end dip i launched and put the hand brake down.

stock itr i got my 60ft in 2.1 secs and passed the line at 14.6

buy some semi slicks with a soft sidewall, in track racing you want a STIFF sidewall, where as for drag u want a SOFT sidewall,

[trism]

So he brought a car knowing that its not built for the strip... makes u wonder why ppl even buy type-rs these days lol, prbs all wank factor i guess

Shoulda brought a evo, skyline wrx etc as such from the start if uwanted straight line fun...... just look at the statistics really.. 2.0 turbo 4wd, 0-100 5.5 seconds? can s2k do that?

why would you buy an evo or a wrx for straight line fun? They are bred from the World Rally Championship.

they are made to go around corners on gravel.

[Vvvtec]

Buy a s2k F20c. Buy a ITR K-series gearbox. Slap them in the Integra. Fight fire with fire LOL

[Bulbasaur]

put a rocket on your car :D

[mugen_ctr]

why would you buy an evo or a wrx for straight line fun? They are bred from the World Rally Championship.

they are made to go around corners on gravel.

same deal with every other car, BUT muscle cars... than again, all cars are meant 2 be driven in some matter, rally or road... either way, how the op approach the useage of ITR is beyond me....

[NightKids]

100hp nitruous and own him Paul Walker stylez...

[cihanvtec]

sorry guys shouldve provided more info.. the budget isnt really a problem, but trying to keep the cost minimal. k swaps are out of the question, we want to keep the B. im not after redicilous amounts of power (600hp etc) as its a daily.our goal is to break the 200kwatw barrier.. weve got a hondata on the way, but we want a little more to tune than just ihe atm.. thanks for the input guys

[cihanvtec]

nd the car is used on a circuit track 90% of the time it is being raced, but we do attend drags now and then.. theres nothing wrong with putting a few v8s to shame down the quarter mile :D

[GSi_PSi]

200kw? well you better start sourcing out a turbo kit, cause your not going to reach that with a B non-turbo

[JohnO]

Buy a s2k F20c. Buy a ITR K-series gearbox. Slap them in the Integra. Fight fire with fire LOL

rwd conversion! then some boost or a superchargerz.

[Bludger]

Buy yourself a k20 out of a DC5r

you go and buy every single part out of the JUN catalogue.

Then you go and buy a 1000hp Turbonetics turbo, a Full Race exhaust manifold, and get a custom intake manifold made up

Then you get an ECU, maybe like a Hondata, and get it tuned, you should be able to pull at least 900Hp at the front wheels

Then, to top it off, you get yourself a Nitrous kit. Maybe like a 200Hp shot.

Then youll beat the s2k.

I mean, of course, this will probably all cost you upwards of 100 thousand dollars, once you factor all the supporting mods in, like the fuel system, as well as tyres that can put that sort of power to the ground, etc etc etc.good advice

[quangsuke]

yeah you wont be getting 200kw atw on a NA setup especially if you dont want to be spending amounts near a kswap.

boost the car with a TO4Z and u will be seeing flying colours at 10psi.

[mugen_ctr]

good advice

OR buy a Pro comp FWD drag civic/teggy... WIN WIN :D

8seconds all day long, all u need is a budget of $250000 lol

To make the most of 1000hp fwd, u need a pretty dam good chasis to put the power down... Look at Bisimoto drag cars

Seriously, only way to make such power figures in a n/a, is $$$$$... unless u got that, walk away, turbo is the only way in terms of making power, OR to be different super charger,
Iev seen few B18's make easily 180 - 250kw turbo conversion

[dc2r-0636]

yeah 200kwatw will be good to see from a b series but i dont see it happening.. turbo it , 'miss R' had lyk 199kwatw and thats from a stroked k20 n/a

[Indie]

Hm. An S2k is always going to have one-up on a Type R. It's like taking a Silvia and trying to beat a GT-R... You CAN, but it's going to take a lot of money and effort, and then he can always go further with it than you can. The Type R is a car that, I believe, is an example of a vehicle that is best left stock and enjoyed. At the end of the day, it's never going to be RWD or AWD, and unless you engine swap or turbo, it'll always be punching above its weight.

If he was driving a Celica or something...

[NightKids]

The difference between a Type R and a S2000 is definitely not the same as a Silvia and GTR....

Quite a bad comparison there... Sorry

[AE092]

Bet you guys are a bunch of kids with alot of disposable income and big egos trying to out-do each other but have never used your capable machines (stock) on a race track before. Money can and will buy you speed but won't get you talent. Practice makes perfect.

[u mad?]

sell your itr

buy v8 commo/XR8

[RR-04-RR]

200KW? only way to get 200kw from a B series is a turbo, you might not know this but S2000 are pretty average when it comes to the 1/4 mile, its alot hard to launch a RWD than a FWD
At the end of the day, it comes down to experience on whether you guys have been to the strip or not, if you guys havent, be prepared to have a slow time for the both of you.
I managed to get a 13.9 with I/H/E with semis, but that did take alot practice before reaching that time

[Lancere6]

Agreed, My mates S2k has nothing on my Evo 6 and my car is pretty much running stock engine

[mugen_ctr]

200KW? only way to get 200kw from a B series is a turbo, you might not know this but S2000 are pretty average when it comes to the 1/4 mile, its alot hard to launch a RWD than a FWD
At the end of the day, it comes down to experience on whether you guys have been to the strip or not, if you guys havent, be prepared to have a slow time for the both of you.
I managed to get a 13.9 with I/H/E with semis, but that did take alot practice before reaching that time

Only 13.9? Id figure it be just as fast as a mild modded S14 :S Running in the 12.5 second bracket

Considering the ITR out performs the S14 stock for stock, same deal with DC5R an S15

[dc2r-0636]

Only 13.9? Id figure it be just as fast as a mild modded S14 :S Running in the 12.5 second bracket

Considering the ITR out performs the S14 stock for stock, same deal with DC5R an S15

lol serz ?? turbo > n/a

yes stock for stock they are similar. but when u put money in, a modded turbo car will bust a modded n/a car.

k swaped EG's run those 12 sec times with good drivers

[RtN]

you wanna beat the the s2k?

Heres what you do.

Buy yourself a k20 out of a DC5r

you go and buy every single part out of the JUN catalogue.

Then you go and buy a 1000hp Turbonetics turbo, a Full Race exhaust manifold, and get a custom intake manifold made up

Then you get an ECU, maybe like a Hondata, and get it tuned, you should be able to pull at least 900Hp at the front wheels

Then, to top it off, you get yourself a Nitrous kit. Maybe like a 200Hp shot.

Then youll beat the s2k.

I mean, of course, this will probably all cost you upwards of 100 thousand dollars, once you factor all the supporting mods in, like the fuel system, as well as tyres that can put that sort of power to the ground, etc etc etc.

But you didnt give us a budget to work with, so what else did you expect someone to say?


Maybe give us a little more info, about things liek how much you wanna spend, and we can give you some real advice.

uhh you don't need that much to beat an s2k.... Just a proper K24 swap with tune would probably beat it, if anything get a SC like BYP on top. total would be like 15k supercharged not 100k.

[RR-04-RR]

Only 13.9? Id figure it be just as fast as a mild modded S14 :S Running in the 12.5 second bracket

Considering the ITR out performs the S14 stock for stock, same deal with DC5R an S15

lol i was stating you need a turbo to get 200kw, My dc2r was N/A with only intake headers and exhaust... to reach a 13.9

Perhaps you read it wrong??

[u mad?]

lmao im like lmao


i sure as fuk hope he read it wrong.

[u mad?]

uhh you don't need that much to beat an s2k.... Just a proper K24 swap with tune would probably beat it, if anything get a SC like BYP on top. total would be like 15k supercharged not 100k.

face palm



i dont think you understand his post.





op, drag slicks + tune= guaranteed win (assuming you can drive)

should be good for low to mid 13's

[cihanvtec]

face palm



i dont think you understand his post.





op, drag slicks + tune= guaranteed win (assuming you can drive)

should be good for low to mid 13's

lol THANKYOU! thats the sort of reply i was looking for.. and yepp ive got enough experience on track so a few warm up runs is all that will be required :D

[Zilli]

ok, i can see the bloke wants a fair go, and some advice here, before i give mine, im going to warn everyone here. The next post that doesnt offer helpful advice will be deleted and the user infracted for spamming. No warnings.

OP, if you want it in a straight line... and the S2K is stock, just do you IHE plus flywheel and heavy clutch and a computer tune... other than that its a lot of practice on the strip.... its like a peice of string though, there are too many variables man...

[trism]

If you wanna spend some more money, and youve got an ecu coming, so youll be able to tune it, maybe look into cams as well.

[meatball]

bigger tb, better intake manifold, hondata + tune and a 4.9 fd xD

[4age8u]

practice practice x 99999

[cihanvtec]

okay.. weve got an extra 3k to spend as i sold my kawasaki ninja.. put it towards cams and a nice tune? i dont know if i should change the intake manifold, ive always thought the type r im+tb was pretty good?

[Super-DA9]

Cams for SURE man. Stage 2's with valvesprings and titanium retainers? Skunk2's off ebay america are really affordable atm! :D and a better final drive is a great idea, i've heard that gearbox mods can sometimes be more effective then any basic/common engine mod.

good luck man! make this guy eat your dust!

[GSi_PSi]

s2000's arent that quick on the 1/4 mile, countless times ive seen ITR's beat them at eastern creek even it it only is by miliseconds

[cihanvtec]

Cams for SURE man. Stage 2's with valvesprings and titanium retainers? Skunk2's off ebay america are really affordable atm! :D and a better final drive is a great idea, i've heard that gearbox mods can sometimes be more effective then any basic/common engine mod.

good luck man! make this guy eat your dust!

thanks mann will definately look into it! hahah
its not all about beating the s2k, im building the car up anyway, the s2k is.. how should i say it, the first challenge :)

[chauster]

i got a toda spec b head for sale. im in melbourne too. With the skunk2 TB or maybe ITB, work the block maybe b20? hondata + tune from adrain and you should be set to beat the s2k.
cant promise you 200kwatw but you'll be getting 140-145kw which is pretty strong from a b18c na.

or for that amount of money you can chuck on a turbo and be at 200kw.
its all up to you

[TheSaint]

here is a recommendation list from me:

- skunk2 intake manifold
- hondata intake manifold gasket + permatex to seal
- hondata ECU
- skunk2 or toda cams with adjustable gears + uprated springs + retainers
- Simota whale style intake
- mugen, spoon, 5zigen etc 4-1 headers
- racing cat + catback
- skunk2 or AEM fuel rail + adjustable FPR
- russels SS braided fuel lines
- lightened flywheel + HD clutch
- good quality engine oil (FEO Ultra) + gearbox oil (NEO HD Gold) + j's racing plugs on both
- some nice high octane racing fuel
- quality front splitter
- some good drag radials
- some quality drag alloys
- rip out everything u dont need in the car
- a REALLY GOOD tune
- PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE

[GSi_PSi]

^why would he waste money on a skunk2 intake manifold when he has ITR one?

[TheSaint]

for a 5% increase? lol i dunno

at least get the hondata gasket

[RR-04-RR]

with 3k, ECU, flywheel and clutch is all you need, you dont need alot of mods to beat a s2000 (assuming you already have I/H/E)

P.S - Circuit semi slicks are pretty crap on the strip, (may improce 60ft time by 0.01) but good quality street tyres work just as well
I pulls a 2.002 60ft with R888, and i pulled a 2.016 with RE001

Listen to people that have had experience with the strip/circuit/ etc, alot of people can say "put this in and that" but you're better off listening to people with some sort of experience

[Oz_Striker]

with 3k, ECU, flywheel and clutch is all you need, you dont need alot of mods to beat a s2000 (assuming you already have I/H/E)

P.S - Circuit semi slicks are pretty crap on the strip, (may improce 60ft time by 0.01) but good quality street tyres work just as well
I pulls a 2.002 60ft with R888, and i pulled a 2.016 with RE001

Listen to people that have had experience with the strip/circuit/ etc, alot of people can say "put this in and that" but you're better off listening to people with some sort of experience

^^^^ knows his sh*t lol sounds pretty simple OP, either turbo or a few simple mods and for 3K you'll have your nose in front. that tyre info surprised me, i want some of those R888's :D

[dc2r-0636]

^^^^ knows his sh*t lol sounds pretty simple OP, either turbo or a few simple mods and for 3K you'll have your nose in front. that tyre info surprised me, i want some of those R888's :D

i pulled a 2.1 with toyo R1R's 195/55/15

[evil_1998]

Free mod to make your car faster without spending money = strip your interior, weight reduction

[Oz_Striker]

i pulled a 2.1 with toyo R1R's 195/55/15

thats a good time, still those are also fairly close to being a semi slick, but not to the extent that it needs to be explained that they are actually street legal lol when someone does a 2.1 on Bob Jane allrounders i'll be impressed lol :P

just shows there are some bl**dy good street tryes around, obviously it would be a different story around the circuit though

[RR-04-RR]

Well to show you some videos of a DC2R, down a strip, heres mine (i do miss it soo much after watching them all :( )

My DC2R when it only had a CAI and stripped interior (very first run in the video) 14.3 with a 2.1 60ft on RE001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4d29wP6wGk&feature=related

My DC2R when it had I/H/E stripped interior - 13.9 with a 2.0 60ft on R888

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPYtQ6BqPg

Enjoy!, all about practice..

[Euro08Jaz]

Shorter gear ratios

[Zilli]

^^^^ knows his sh*t lol sounds pretty simple OP, either turbo or a few simple mods and for 3K you'll have your nose in front. that tyre info surprised me, i want some of those R888's :D

for 3k you will get the ECU and half of the pipework required to turbocharge the engine...

[Oz_Striker]

for 3k you will get the ECU and half of the pipework required to turbocharge the engine...

What about a second hand setup? I thought that was talked about earlier or something?

[dougie_504]

Get a good traction bar. Make sure you have good tyres. B20 maybe? Also what Hondata are you getting? Might sound lame but things like Launch Control and Full Throttle Shift might improve your times.

[sneakyEG]

Has anyone thought if the s2k is stock or modded? im assuming he will also want to 'win' and may have a few tricks up his sleeve too!! Goodluck cihanvtec, should be a good day for you all..

[Zilli]

ok im going to shut this down.... OP obviously doesnt have much interet, and throwing random ideas at the issue isnt going to help. OP go and give it a shot, and come back and tell us. If you have a reaosn why i should reopen this, PM me please.