J's Racing - Read before buying!!!

[Nuci]

Hey guys,

Ive just recently received my long awaited J's Racing 60RS catback system for my DC5R. And for those wondering, im very happy with the end product. Looks the goods, and sounds incredible when paired up with my Buddyclub race header (de-cat). However id like to warn any prospective buyers of J's products what they're getting themselves into when putting a deposit down. Here's a list of issues that arose from the time i put my deposit down til the time i drove out the workshop with the exhaust on my car (Id like to keep the workshop i bought the part through anonymous):

1.Put the deposit down at the end of July '10. J's told me that it would be about 4 weeks. After countless phonecalls and emails back and forth, my exhaust arrives in January '11 - about 5 months later.

2. When we buy prefabricated exhausts, we expect them to bolt straight up, thats why we pay big dollars. However my catback had to be re-cut to fit and line up properly - which cost me even more money.

3. J's Racing stainless steel exhausts are supposed to be made from top-grade materials (C304 grade stainless to be exact). One feature of using such high grade stainless in the ease with which it can be welded, and the bluish/purple colouration that the welds should appear. Yet when this catback was cut to fit, the mechanic fitting the exhaust said it was a nightmare to weld, the welds just wouldnt hold. He eventually got it together, and the welds appeared a brownish colour - making me suspicious if it is really the top grade stainless that their website claims they use.

4. The silencer that came with the catback doesnt fit properly. I have to force it in, then use a lot of force to get it back out.

Dont get me wrong, Im very happy with the end product. But the process of getting there was very long. The only way i ever recieved information on the progress of my exhaust was by us contacting J's Racing, they never contacted us. They also said that the delays came from the fact that they had no stock, and that the exhaust had to be made from the ground up. Yet in November i spoke to Nengun performance (Aus distributor for J's Racing) and they said that they had parts in stock, and had done for a while.

The reality of the situation is that the aftermarket modifying scene in Japan isnt what it used to be. Big companies are on the verge of going broke, or have already gone under. So many companies no longer keep stock on the shelf - theyre all made to order. So when buying from Japan, factor in the chances of big delays. If you want my advice, talking from experience, try sourcing something that has already been posted to Australia.

Hope this helps any prospective buyers. Any questions and ill help wherever I can.

Cheers, Daniel.

[M@lew]

Thanks for the post. :) Are you able to get some clips up of your exhaust? I was going to order the exhaust too but got a GruppeM instead so it'll have to wait a bit more.

[Nuci]

I don't have anything to record with sorry mate. All I have is these pics. But if you've gone with gruppe m I'm sure you'll be happy. They make quality gear. Like I said the catback does it's job well, it's just the little things that j's could improve on to make it a better all round package

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[45SET]

Name and shame who you bought it from.

They might be selling copies from other places, but badging them as the genuine item.

[Nuci]

That's the thing though, I bought it from Js Racing. The company in Brisbane was just the middleman who put the order in. He dealt directly with Js Racing.

[45SET]

You 100% sure they bought it from J's?

The fact that you told a exhuast shop that it is made out of a particular metal, then when they started working with it, it didn't appear to be the same thing, screams of fake.

[EVLGTR]

Funny how that works in here, i did the name and shame to an ebay shop a few months ago and OzHonda wouldnt tolerate and completely deleted my post.

[Nuci]

100%. I read all the emails sent to and from js racing. Dozens of them. I was also offered my money back after I was told there was going to be more delays. This place has a good reputation. And I trust the person I dealt with.

[45SET]

Funny how that works in here, i did the name and shame to an ebay shop a few months ago and OzHonda wouldnt tolerate and completely deleted my post.

http://www.dailyhaggis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/o_rly.jpg

[Zilli]

thanks for the post, and for following guidelines of the site... defmation is a serious legal issue that OH wants to mitigate... so no naming and shaming.

[NightKids]

Do it for the greater good...

[burak213]

Do it for the greater good...

going through his posts, it could be Exotic Exhausts at Sumner Park

[Alexplicit]

shouldnt push your luck buruk213... your doing exactly what the OP was told not to do. no offence just saying.

[45SET]

going through his posts, it could be Exotic Exhausts at Sumner Park

They only fit/make exhuasts.

If he bought a off the shelf exhuast, it would have been from one of the handful of shops around Brisbane that specialise in importing car parts...

I think I could guess the shop.

[Nuci]

They only fit/make exhuasts.

If he bought a off the shelf exhuast, it would have been from one of the handful of shops around Brisbane that specialise in importing car parts...

I think I could guess the shop.

I think you could too. So if we are thinking about the same place, you would understand that his reputation indicates he wouldn't be getting fake shit. Thats all that needs to be said. If you want to come out and say it, then that's your call. I've done the right thing by him and myself by keeping it anonymous.

At the end of the day the point of this thread was to give people a heads up. All this other talk is getting off topic. You want to talk about who sells fake shit and who doesn't then do it somewhere else. I'm just trying to help people out, as there are a million options for buying parts, so this sort of stuff helps. It wouldve helped me that's for sure.

[Killa From Manila]

what part of the exhaust had to be modified?

[M@lew]

Could it be because the exhaust was made for jdm cat / de-cat etc. that it didn't fit up properly?

[r3ckless]

Could it be because the exhaust was made for jdm cat / de-cat etc. that it didn't fit up properly?

I think Matt is on the ball, im sure u cant fit a jdm
Catback onto audm headers without modification.

I waited until my toda header came in before installing
On my
Catback. There were no dramas at all and it bolted up perfect. Exhaust tip is perfectly under the bumper but not in to much :)

[Nuci]

Well if that was the case then wouldnt the length of the exhaust be a problem? Because the tip came out at the right length, it was just the angle didnt line up with the cutout for the exhaust tip in the rear bumper. And the header was designed to be a bolt on replacement for oem jdm headers. Therefore id figure that a jdm catback such as j's racing should bolt straight up shouldnt it?

Either way, the I got the exhaust on eventually. Even if it was a bit of mucking around, im happy with the end result. It looks the goods and sounds great, which it what i was after. The point of this thread was just to try help people out. If anyone wants to ask me anything about it at all, just pm me.

Cheers.

[WATAJK]

I think Matt is on the ball, im sure u cant fit a jdm
Catback onto audm headers without modification.

I waited until my toda header came in before installing
On my
Catback. There were no dramas at all and it bolted up perfect. Exhaust tip is perfectly under the bumper but not in to much :)

Correct!
I've got a X-Force Catback system, i've been told that the exhaust will need to be cut back to make way for the TODA Headers.
AUDM and JDM Exhaust components don't work together sadly enough.. Custom work is needed.. My Cat is going to welded to my exhaust if i don't change to JDM

[MM89]

Nengun is not the distributor of J's Racing in Australia.

JDM Concept is the distributor and you confirm that on the J's Racing site.

When purchasing through the official distributor, you can be confident that the product is legitimate. If you have any concerns about the authenticity of the product, you can by all means then take it to the Japanese companies themselves.
J's Racing Japan has in the past taken legal action upon one of their distributors in Canada or USA for selling fake J's items . This can be googled for more info.

Regarding the fit of the their products. I bought a J's Racing 60RS Ti last year and had no problems at all fitting it on. It was paired to JDM DC2R cat and J's Racing header. Bear in mind this is for B18C.
Everything fits like OEM.

On the J's Racing website, it states that the C304 stainless steel catback systems are artificailly coloured by hand, which is why you don't get the natural gradation like the titanium burn.

As to why the catback needed to be modified, there could have been several reasons.

[Nuci]

Nengun is not the distributor of J's Racing in Australia.

JDM Concept is the distributor and you confirm that on the J's Racing site.

When purchasing through the official distributor, you can be confident that the product is legitimate. If you have any concerns about the authenticity of the product, you can by all means then take it to the Japanese companies themselves.
J's Racing Japan has in the past taken legal action upon one of their distributors in Canada or USA for selling fake J's items . This can be googled for more info.

Regarding the fit of the their products. I bought a J's Racing 60RS Ti last year and had no problems at all fitting it on. It was paired to JDM DC2R cat and J's Racing header. Bear in mind this is for B18C.
Everything fits like OEM.

On the J's Racing website, it states that the C304 stainless steel catback systems are artificailly coloured by hand, which is why you don't get the natural gradation like the titanium burn.

As to why the catback needed to be modified, there could have been several reasons.

Sorry I meant that I contacted jdm concept. However I did contact nengun as well. When you bought your catback how long did it take to arrive? Because I read in another thread about a guy with an s2k who also experienced huge delays with js racing when buying a hardtop for his car.

[aaronng]

going through his posts, it could be Exotic Exhausts at Sumner Park

He said that the company he used to order the exhaust was good. It was J's Racing that caused the delays and shipped over an exhaust system that didn't fit.

[aaronng]

3. J's Racing stainless steel exhausts are supposed to be made from top-grade materials (C304 grade stainless to be exact). One feature of using such high grade stainless in the ease with which it can be welded, and the bluish/purple colouration that the welds should appear.

The bluish purple discolouration does not appear if the conditions are not right. With welds, it tends to be a dull gray, which is nothing like how it looks like on the tip. In fact, 304 stainless steel tends to turn gold/brown instead when heated by heat from the cooler exhaust gases, which is why your welds look brown instead.

What type of welding did your exhaust shop use? Was it TIG or MIG? If it was, these two methods use a shielding gas (usually argon) so that there is no oxygen in the surrounding weld area. As a result, you don't get the bluish tinge which is chromium from the stainless steel reacting with oxygen to give chromium oxide.

[MM89]

Just however long it stated on the site. Which is 3-4 months I believe. Came in 3 months. I feel really bad for you that you had to chop up a prefab exhaust. Maybe you chase it up and see what's up with that.

[TheSaint]

same problem here when i ordered my Mugen Twinloop for my Dc2 (years ago now)
supplier was a champ (cheers yonas) and postage was fast as hell

but i did the research to confirm the fitment before i bought it - knowing full well that because it was JDM it wouldnt simply 'bolt up' to AUDM
i had to order JDM fitted headers and cat to mate the exhaust to my B18c

[wuism]

I currently have 70rr installed on my car, and had a 60rs for the dc5 before. I had no fitment issues it bolted straight up and fitted perfectly for both vehicles.

I can agree with you on the silencer though as it is a bit tough to install. To me, adding the silencer sounds like crap so I never put it on nowadays anyways..

[newpaddy3]

aaronng is correct, it's oxidation that causes the blue-ish tinge.

[hondar]

hi guys,

if you buy js racing product, it will always pay off buying it from us. if there is any problem arises from using it other than a reasonable wear and tear, we can fix it for you. we have the backing of j's racing japan.

the exhaust system was slow for the FIRST round as the system was not in placed. other than that, most of my delivery has been pretty accurate. japan is not having a good time economically. you can read the news. a lot of of tuning company in japan inc js racing, dont stock as much inventory as before. with profit margin eroding and cost of running a business keep going up, a reasonable inventory is kept. but who can predict what will sell that day and what is not.

any company who tells you they deal directly with js racing is rubbish! no one deal directly except us for australia market. normally they will buy from someone else who buy from js racing. we have been dealing with js racing for many years now and i know murakami-san very well.

to be fair, you may get lemon sometimes. doesnt matter what brand, apple, HP, even branded bags like LV can have fault. after all js exhaust is hand crafted. not factory machine weld. even cars can have problem. the more important question is whether the company that you buy from will support you or not. for us, if it is not customer fault, we will make sure he gets what he paid for. thats what keep our business running for so long. in fact this is going to be our 9 years in the business. a long time to be in the car industry where traders come and go every 2 years.

PS: btw during the delay for the first time, we actually offer a refund as soon as we know there is a delay. we actually contacted the buyer and advise them there is going to be a delay and he decided to go ahead with it anyway.

[WATAJK]

hi guys,

if you buy js racing product, it will always pay off buying it from us. if there is any problem arises from using it other than a reasonable wear and tear, we can fix it for you. we have the backing of j's racing japan.

the exhaust system was slow for the FIRST round as the system was not in placed. other than that, most of my delivery has been pretty accurate. japan is not having a good time economically. you can read the news. a lot of of tuning company in japan inc js racing, dont stock as much inventory as before. with profit margin eroding and cost of running a business keep going up, a reasonable inventory is kept. but who can predict what will sell that day and what is not.

any company who tells you they deal directly with js racing is rubbish! no one deal directly except us for australia market. normally they will buy from someone else who buy from js racing. we have been dealing with js racing for many years now and i know murakami-san very well.

to be fair, you may get lemon sometimes. doesnt matter what brand, apple, HP, even branded bags like LV can have fault. after all js exhaust is hand crafted. not factory machine weld. even cars can have problem. the more important question is whether the company that you buy from will support you or not. for us, if it is not customer fault, we will make sure he gets what he paid for. thats what keep our business running for so long. in fact this is going to be our 9 years in the business. a long time to be in the car industry where traders come and go every 2 years.

PS: btw during the delay for the first time, we actually offer a refund as soon as we know there is a delay. we actually contacted the buyer and advise them there is going to be a delay and he decided to go ahead with it anyway.

And this the reason why i buy through you guys Leo.

[VTECMACHINE]

WTF? Why is this thread here. J's Racing products are of the highest quality. Just cos you didn't do your research and bought an exhaust that wouldn't bolt up to your AUDM set up - you blame the company.
Nengun is NOT the official Australian distributor. Leo @ JDM Concept is. He is the man to buy J's parts from.
IMO your exhaust shop is crap.

Only think I agree with you about is that the silencer is a very very tight fit.

The stock issue is common with most companies, not just cars. People are cutting costs by making to order so they save on storage etc.

Edit: Should I have read Leo's post.

[Nuci]

Are you for real? They stuffed me around for months! Js Racing told me that they had no stock and that it would have to be made from scratch, and they told us that it would take 4 weeks. It took 5 months! To make a bit of stainless steel piping! Not to mention the complete lack of communication, we never received any information unless we contacted them. They never contacted us. And i dont know where people are getting this whole bolting to AUDM setup thing from. It has been bolted to a Buddyclub header. Which is made to JDM spec.

[tiah313]

might not be related but yea, its still j's racing
http://www.7tune.com/news-js-racing-junichi-umemoto-arrested/#respond

[KC.]

^the guy who jumped onto his car is a bit crazy...pretty unfortunate really.

where is this going to leave j's racing?

[EVLGTR]

^ Crazy??...come on man,lol, would you keep going 100meters if someone is hanging on to your car? End of the day its the drivers decision on life or death because he is in control from 0m to 100m

[vyets]

J's racing have always had mad delays with parts, but then again so does RAYS, ASM, and alot of other jdm companies. I waited 6 months for my exhaust :P

The difference between the quality of the Titanium one and the stainless one is amazing I now run the 70RR Titanium and it's quality is top notch but the stainless which I previously had is well... "what you pay is what you get" really, its quite bad "looking" however I'm sure the welds would hold up fine and everything but yea quality is definitely not there but then again 1k for a stainless exhaust system is quite cheap when you compare it to other brands.

I'm glad I ordered this with Leo he was 100% helpfull and offered a refund, answered everytime I sent him an email happily awesome to deal with. From what I've heard so far the first batch of the stainless exhaust were bad, seemed like a rush job even though it was delayed a good 4 months. However J's have acknowledged the problem and seems they are stepping their game up

[Indie]

Wow. He ****ed up big time. It's ridiculous how all of these people are trying to defend his actions.

[hondar]

i think is best to leave it until the investigation is complete.

this is "a personal" problem which doesnt affect the running of the company. of course the outcome is sad as someone passed away. shocking? yes.

it doesnt help as we;; when the incident happen to a public figure. no one loves better and sell the story better when someone famous fall to the ground.

whatever the outcomes, the company will run. but they know it is a sensitive time now and if you gone to js website, it is blank as they have taken out the opportunity for advertising and sales to show the public they take the incident very seriously.

its bizarre incident i know...

anyway if you order any parts, you will get your parts and so dont worry about it :D

you can be rest assured that you will get your parts when you from JDMC, doesnt matter what brands. :D

if it is too long, or delayed beyond reasonable we usually advised our customer

[dlai5552]

Unlucky incident that involved the victim passing away. Surely, I wouldnt think Umemoto would do something like this on purpose :(

Also, in regards to JDM concepts post... they work FAST! It's awesome, you definitely get what you want from it.

And, in regards to this thread.. sounds like you got jipped on the exhaust mate...???