1996 Civic EK4 SIR/Vtir

[sneakygreek]

Hey guys i am currently looking at a EK4 SIR/Vtech Jap import for My P's, if i get them next week. What is the diff between the Aus delivered model, options, engine, etc.

If any1 wants the carsales lnik to check it out if i should buy it, PM me for my email

[dc292177917]

u mean u r going to import them from jap or it's imported already?
as far as i know it's pretty impossible to import a EK4/9 unless u owned it overseas for more than 2yrs
plus u need to give proof of "daily driven ownership" (like petrol receipt, maintenance and shits)
in that case u might be able to import them as a personal import
after that u still need to do RWC check and shit loads of procedure b4 u can drive it on the road
imo not worth the trouble even if u hv been owning it overseas

[sneakygreek]

Its imported already and ready to buy, all plated, etc

[dc292177917]

any link or price?
i know jap spec B16A has a theoretical better high ends
but then only a dyno machine can tell the difference lol

[TheSaint]

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9070261&__Ntt=import&__Qpb=true&__Dx=mode%20matchany&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=import&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965250% 204294965322%201622&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&seot=1&__Ntk=CarAll&silo=1011&Cr=4&__Nne=15&trecs=5&__D=import&__sid=12BCFC4E9309

only one on car sales at the moment
car looks like rubbish but the engine looks nice
the only thing i could think of is maybe a few slight differences with the interior
and power folding mirrors - everything else will be the same

their engines have a slightly better tune to account for better quality fuel - but i dont think it will really make a difference with this

[mugen_ctr]

Proof of ownership is one yr, than u can import as personal import, though importin an ek4? Why not ek9?id imagine a ek4 goin for around 600,000yen at , which is very cheap, only major differance is that they have is climate control, an higher spec b16a motor, but if u do get a jdm ek4, piks plz lol

[sneakygreek]

The One TheSaint linked is the one i am looking at. In terms of the car looking rubbish it isnt to bad actually, depends on personal preferance. Id defs changes the Wheeles to a smaller Size as it has kings and i i dont wanna have scraping problems with low roads, driveways etc. The Cannon also looks like shit, change that aswell. The Interior is nice and engine bay clean, Stripes aint to bad aswell.

I will obviously get the Car checked out by my Mates Mechanic who deals, restores Honda engines etc, what is it worth in peoples opinions?

And no Mugen, i want a car ASAP, dont wanna wait for imports, etc

[sneakygreek]

Also why does it have SIR Back Badge, it that what Jap ones are called?

[Vvvtec]

Lol 'lady owner, contact Jon' haha.

Actually doest look that bad man. Nice wheels and some low and it will be a mean machine. B16 is a great engine you'll be very happy :)

[TheSaint]

yes the jap ones are called SiR - but thats an ebay badge
also thats not a canon - its an oval barrel muffler
needs a Ek9 style grill, smaller more performance orientated alloys, remove the stripes and add some nice shocks
i would double check the history of the engine as well - it has a red rocker cover and apparently it has type-r cams
so who did the mods and was it tuned to accomodate it?
need to ask a few questions here man....

[sneakygreek]

@Vvvtec, yeah ive been for drives in Many B16's in my 17 year life, I love them, just cant wait to drive one.

@ TheSaint, those are the things my Mechanic will check out when he inspects it, so pretty much ask the guy who did the work, and if he has any receipts?

What about this EK GLI with a F20B?

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9877429&__Qpb=true&Cr=4&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__No=15&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20408%20 900&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=77&__sid=12BB64C7D631

[TheSaint]

you would want to make sure the brakes and suspension are uprated to handle the engine conversion
parts will be harder to find for this engine
it will also need EK9 grill and a wheel change, get rid of the stickers etc
also find out where the engine came from and if its a genuine F20b not a head-swap or the down tuned variant

all the usual things u need to look out for when purchasing an engine swapped car

[sneakygreek]

Yeah screw that one then

[sneakygreek]

yes the jap ones are called SiR - but thats an ebay badge
also thats not a canon - its an oval barrel muffler
needs a Ek9 style grill, smaller more performance orientated alloys, remove the stripes and add some nice shocks
i would double check the history of the engine as well - it has a red rocker cover and apparently it has type-r cams
so who did the mods and was it tuned to accomodate it?
need to ask a few questions here man....

How do i find these out, call him and ask for Receipts, etc. Why does the Diff Colour Rocker Cover matter?

[Vvvtec]

Yup exactly. Ask for as much proof/evidence as he can give you for every single thing on the car that he has touched, try and account for everything. Just something little like keeping receipts can go a long way into telling you what type of owner he was. And organized person is more likely to keep receipts, because they may have the the foresight to realise that if he ever wanted to sell the car later on they could come in handy. It may also show that he cares about the most meticulous of details, which in turn means he is more likely to have cared about the car. Classic exampl: If a mans Recaros are immaculate, you can pretty much garuntee that the rest of the car will be too. Why? Because keeping recaros immaculate is hard. Therefore if he cares about the smallest things, he is obviously going to car about the big things. Espcially if it set him back alot of money. Obviously things like reciepts go missing, so you cant really expect all to be there.

Sorry, getting way off topic haha. It just comes from personal experience. The guy I bought my car off had the log books full of not just service receipts, but reciepts for anything and everything spent on the car ie: wax and polish, light bulbs etc. I'm the same. I even keep fuel receipts LOL. now that I say that outloud it probably seems abit OCD. But it's the principal.

Oh well. Whoever buys my car if I ever sell it can be garuanteed that I took care of it.

[Vvvtec]

How do i find these out, call him and ask for Receipts, etc. Why does the Diff Colour Rocker Cover matter?

Make a mental map of the processes of changing a rocker cover, as an example:

-Why did he change it? Was it for looks alone? Was he a noob who only cares for how his engine looks rather than performs? Or was the original one damaged?
-When did he change it?
-For him to change it, it obviously came off the motor: What else was done whilst the head was exposed?
-How careful was he when he changed it?
- etc etc.

Just common sense man.

[sneakygreek]

What colour is the Stock Rocker, Red or Black? i will give him a call and sus it out more when i Get my PS next week, but for 8 grand you cant expect everything to be imacculate, have receipts for etc

[dc292177917]

stock one is black

[sneakygreek]

Even on the Jap Spec Vtir? What can the Type R cams **** up if aint tuned properly?

[sneakygreek]

Yup exactly. Ask for as much proof/evidence as he can give you for every single thing on the car that he has touched, try and account for everything. Just something little like keeping receipts can go a long way into telling you what type of owner he was. And organized person is more likely to keep receipts, because they may have the the foresight to realise that if he ever wanted to sell the car later on they could come in handy. It may also show that he cares about the most meticulous of details, which in turn means he is more likely to have cared about the car. Classic exampl: If a mans Recaros are immaculate, you can pretty much garuntee that the rest of the car will be too. Why? Because keeping recaros immaculate is hard. Therefore if he cares about the smallest things, he is obviously going to car about the big things. Espcially if it set him back alot of money. Obviously things like reciepts go missing, so you cant really expect all to be there.

Sorry, getting way off topic haha. It just comes from personal experience. The guy I bought my car off had the log books full of not just service receipts, but reciepts for anything and everything spent on the car ie: wax and polish, light bulbs etc. I'm the same. I even keep fuel receipts LOL. now that I say that outloud it probably seems abit OCD. But it's the principal.

Oh well. Whoever buys my car if I ever sell it can be garuanteed that I took care of it.

I called the guy up, i asked if he had any receipts, he said no because he is a Mechanic and did all the work himself, its Had 2 owners, first one was his friend, then he bought the car off him. Would you mind giving him a call at all and asking him some questions?

[dc292177917]

just go and hv a test drive man
jack the car up to check if there's any leak or rail damage
a healthy B16A with B16B cams should give a pretty good vtec pull

[sneakygreek]

He said the Cams came from a Integra Type R? when i called him he didnt seem like giving much info out, ur right i will just go test drive it and get my mechanic to look at it

[sneakygreek]

He also said i would have to get the Roadworthy myself, meaning id have to pay or actually get it myself? seems abit weird if he claims he is a Mechanic

[Vvvtec]

Hmmm yeah sounds abit odd. I wonder why he won't get the road worthy for you...

[sneakygreek]

Thats put me off heaps now, but its the cheapest one on there, not gonna get a perfect car for 7-8k

[Vvvtec]

No need to be put off man, and your dead right. For that money your going to be looking for something nice and clean, not immaculate. Just when you go test drive it, ask him to get road worthy for it, ESPECIALLY if hes not keen on negotiating price. If he knocks $500 off or something, then maybe... But general rule is he should be confident to go and get it inspected... All the more so if it's his own work.

[sneakygreek]

Would i have the test drive, or get my mechanic to look at it first, or both at the same time? He lives at Karalee and my Mechanic is at Sunnybank, he didnt seem keen to drive up, as he works 6 days a week

[Vvvtec]

Do both in one hit man. Unless you go drive it first and it's a piece of shit, saving your mechanic his time.

[sneakygreek]

Itd be much easier that way aswell, cause he lives about 45 mins away, just cover his petrol costs or sumthing

[dc292177917]

go with yr trusted mechanic if u had no VTEC experience b4
there're always sth only a mechanic can tell
if the seller is a mechanic i cant see why he can make the car RWC
RWC can be costly but if u know some ppl, it can be at no cost
anyway, there has to be sth hidden up
if available, ask yr mechanic frd to do a compression test if he has the tools

[sneakygreek]

I personally havnt had any Vtec experience, But my Mechanic is a Vtech expert, as is my brothers friend who is helping me to find a car n stuff

[mugen_ctr]

all cars are the same, regardless of vtak or not... as long as its got 4 wheels an a motor, mechanics will see all cars the same, as long as the mech has had experience in honda engines, an knows what to look out on the B-series than it be piece of cake to find the faults of that car

[sneakygreek]

Yeah, i think i will just cover his Petrol to come to Sunnybank so my mechanic can check it out and test drive it if is all good, no use getting a RWC before it gets checked

[dc292177917]

nah lol
i mean if OP is going alone and he doesn't know how a good condition B16 should perform
then he should go with his mechanic

[sneakygreek]

Spotted this EM1 Vtir Couple aswell, its absolutly stock, low K's and very clean, http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9048991&__Qpb=true&Cr=11&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__No=30&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20412%20 900&silo=1011&PriceTo=412&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=183&__sid=12A06C4B655F

It would make a nice project i reckon, any thoughts?

Do the Coupe Vtirs still go good even tho they are heavier?

[dc292177917]

i would prefer that EM1
obviously it is well kept

[sneakygreek]

Should i worry about the Red Rocker cover aswell? it will cost me abit to do it up aswell, or could just buy this one that has everything i want

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9669304&__Qpb=true&Cr=7&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__No=30&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20412%20 900&silo=1011&PriceTo=412&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=181&__sid=12A06C4B655F

[sneakygreek]

Both cars are immaculate, rare and perfect condition, are the prices fair tho?

[dc292177917]

try to ask the $14000 seller to sell everything including recaros and CTR steering wheel for $14000 and swap the EM1 rims back in ;)
imo the colour of the rocker cover doesn't reali matter
wt matters is how neat and tidy the car is
it reali shows how the owner treat his car
dont u think a JDM ek4 looks a bit messier? lol

[sneakygreek]

Yeah but its much cheaper and could negotiate him down abit more. 14 is abit ova my budget, 13 is max max id pay, just the EM1 are unique and rare, really catch my eye

[dc292177917]

ask for 12k with EM1 factory rims
recaros and EK9 steering are always available in part sales
but not a EM1 in good condition and low mileage
read through the ad again and found that the owner has put pioneer yellows in it
and from the mod list i can tell u this owner reali kept his car in real good nick
if he's in vic i will just sell mine and get his lol

[sneakygreek]

I called the guy earlier and he said he has a buyer who is trying to get finance for the car, so it may be gone soon. Worse comes to worse i buy the stock one for 9000 cash, all i need for now is Lowering(around 650 for kings) CAI(200), Sound System(800), Exhaust System(1000)

[dc292177917]

for the 9k one i wud recommend u to spend the money on a nice set of coilovers
leave the intake and exhaust stock atm, do up the handling first ;)

[sneakygreek]

Thats not the way i think, i want it sounding nice and stuff first, plus coilovers are for race cars and people with big budgets, its not like ima race it around Brisbane

Or i can get something already done up for around 10, except it aint a EM1 coupe

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9977758&YearFromShort=1627&__Qpb=true&Cr=6&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&YearToShort=1675&__N=1216%201282%20410%20900%204294965322%204294965 250%20%201627%201675&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=410&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=76&__sid=12DB83B868D2

[dc292177917]

haha yea this black one looks mint (Y)

[sneakygreek]

Is insurance more for a P Player with a B16 or Car that has been mod Plated with a diff engine? The car Will be put in my Bros, or Dads name

[Alvis]

I'd personally go the coupe... but looks like deposit has been taken

You just might be up for new shocks in near future with King springs (at least 1 1/2" drop I'd be guessing) and stock shocks still on the car.

You pay for a clean car with genuine kilometres. And you know your not buying a bucket load of trouble. Worth it in the long run IMO.

[Mikecivic78]

Don't bother with the 'mechanic' guy's car. He sounds like a complete screw around.

Guy who said that deposit is taken could well be getting screwed around by a time waster.

That's the world of used cars.



Stay patient and get something clean.

Personally, I don't buy modded/engine swapped cars. There is always the very real possibility they have been raped.

Each to his own tho'

[Alvis]

I agree. That's why it's not worth doing too many modifications to your engine, no one will buy it off you one day.

Buy a car with a good engine to start with and you don't need to do an engine swap (I only have a d series because i bought it off my Dad, knew the history of the car, always garaged, not thrashed by a 50+ yr old man lol etc etc)

But yep, be patient - what makes you think someone is selling the exact car you want at the exact same time you want to buy one? Exactly.

[sneakygreek]

Well i will be on my P's so i obviously dont want a absolute machine, im doing a Trade so i will have to get a ute in a year anyway.

What about this Integra? looks clean and is cheap, could get him down lower aswell, the car has no logbooks tho and owner had for 3 months now selling it
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=10021918&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__No=15&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965105%20410%20 900&silo=1011&PriceTo=410&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=29&__sid=12A06C4B655F

This Civic been on for ages, its PERFECT, my Cousin is Cousins with the owner, said hes spent 20K upwards on it and is a legit car. H22A could get expensive for petrol tho?

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9255643&__Qpb=true&Cr=13&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20410%20 900&silo=1011&PriceTo=410&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=104&__sid=12A06C4B655F

[Alvis]

mmm... Civic coupe is very nice in terms of looks, not many in that condition around Australia.

Not sure about engine conversion, other people on forum would know more than me on this but it might handle like a bit of a pig if the other right modifications haven't been done. I still don't understand why people put such big engines in a car that wasn't engineered for it. Honda does millions of kilometres of testing and millions of dollars in development, yet someone can chuck in a bigger engine and then everything is better. I don't get it. The whole dynamics of the car are now changed from it's original purpose. A B18 would have been plenty if they wanted an upgrade and less stress on stock components etc etc. That's what Spoon recommended with the CTR if any engine upgrade had to be done. Anyway, just my 2 cents...

IMO, the Integra will be always be a true sports car because it was always designed as a sports car; where the Civic wasn't. If you want a true sports car, go with the Integra, if you want something that still looks like a sports car and want something a bit more special and can afford the extra dough, go the Civic.

[sneakygreek]

Will the H22A be more expensive to insure on my PS as the engine is alot bigger compared to the stock engine? The Integra seems abit dodgy i reckon, but cant expect much for 7.2k plus hes negotiable. I have 15 grand aside for a First car, no way im gonna spend all that 15, its a first car FFS and will sell it in a year(unless i adore it)

[Alvis]

You probably missed it by about 3 weeks but there was a cracker of an Integra DC2 Type R on carsales. It was one of only a few rare race prepped editions direct from Honda in Championship white (the only noticeable exterior hint was the bonnet pins came like that from Honda) - everything else looked stock.

I don't know what the other additions to the car were, but this thing was immaculate... and come to think of it I'm pretty sure that exact same car used to park outside my work because I always noticed why it had bonnet pins and the rest of the car was bone stock (wheels, suspension height etc). It looked immaculate. I think the price was over $15k though... but just goes to show there are good ones out there just have to be patient, know what you want and have a bit of luck too!

[Vvvtec]

Get the Integra mate.. You will be VERY happy with it. VTi-R with a few simple bolt on mods is a very fun car to drive.

[sneakygreek]

Dont think the Integra is dodgy at all? guy said hes only owned it for 3 months. Look at the desciption tho, he has put money into it to make it roadworthy, Good K's aswell. Its between a Couple of Civics and that one Integra, i could get a Type R for 14k but its too much for a first car, even if i can afford it. But if i can get a Type R from Interstate, look at this link, would it be worth it, Type R are good i hear?

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?PriceTo=410&tabID=304727&Qpb=true&keywords=&SearchAction=N&N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965105%20410%2042 94921591&sid=12BB64C7D631&Nne=15&tsrc=allcarhome&Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|0||pCar_RankSort_Int32|1 ||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0

[Vvvtec]

I don't know if it's dodgy. I'll let you know in a couple hours lol. Going to look at it for my mate. But yes, it does seem like he's put abit of cash into it to get it up to scratch, and it does look quiet neat.

As for getting for a Type R, yes they are good. Very, very good. But if your only planning on having this as an interim car for a year or so until you need a ute, don't bother on spending so much. Especially as you say yourself, on a first car. Type R is the type of car that likes to be pushed to the limit a bit, that's where it really shines. If your fresh on to your P's, I recommend the Vti-R. Same timeless shape, an excellent motor and IMO beautiful interior AND a sunroof! :D Basically the same car as the Type R, just less 'full on'.

A nice, clean, low K's, looked after Vti-R is something you'll be happy with, I can gaurantee it. And if your willing, put another $1k in to it (Injen CAI, ITR rear sway bar, maybe even a very mild exhaust) and you'll have a really nice ride.

[sneakygreek]

Its between these 3 really, i can get the Type R for 11k, thats the lowest the guy willl go, 500 to ship here, just needs a new paintjob, the other 2 could get abit cheaper aswell
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9913513&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|0||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965105%20410%20 4294921591&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=410&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=8&__sid=12BB64C7D631

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9977758&__Qpb=true&Cr=10&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__No=15&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20410%20 900&silo=1011&PriceTo=410&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=104&__sid=12BB64C7D631

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=10021306&__Qpb=true&Cr=9&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__No=15&__N=1216%201282%204294965322%204294965250%20410%20 900&silo=1011&PriceTo=410&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=104&__sid=12BB64C7D631

Or that Integra if its any good and ur friend doesnt buy iyt, HELP ME OUT!!

[Vvvtec]

Man that Type R is cheap!!!! That's ridiculous!

[dc292177917]

You probably missed it by about 3 weeks but there was a cracker of an Integra DC2 Type R on carsales. It was one of only a few rare race prepped editions direct from Honda in Championship white (the only noticeable exterior hint was the bonnet pins came like that from Honda) - everything else looked stock.

I don't know what the other additions to the car were, but this thing was immaculate... and come to think of it I'm pretty sure that exact same car used to park outside my work because I always noticed why it had bonnet pins and the rest of the car was bone stock (wheels, suspension height etc). It looked immaculate. I think the price was over $15k though... but just goes to show there are good ones out there just have to be patient, know what you want and have a bit of luck too!

that race prepped thing has no sound deadening, air con, no audio, no back seat and 90% no ps...
at least that's wt a race ready DC2R sold in hk, rarely seen but a genuine gem (Y)

[Vvvtec]

Sorry bro, my mate bought that Integra. Its really nice. Body needs some attention, abit rough round the edges, but it drives really smooth and the gearbox feels great.

I'm sure another will pop up soon!!

[tiah313]

hey what about this one if u dont mind to go for a trip

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9994886&__Qpb=true&Cr=2&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords&__No=15&__N=834+1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294965105+429496 5322+408&silo=1011&PriceTo=408&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=164&__sid=12D0134FFAB1

[tiah313]

that red type R was on in mid 2009 and think that owner sold it to the current owner. as i remeber it use to have black recaro, but dont know why the new owner would get rid of them and get replica low max LOL

[sneakygreek]

Great...... just great!!!! oh well he get it before me and he atleast has his P's, which i failed today, so darn pissed you dont believe. Gonna pressure my dad into buying me a car ASAP so i can drive it everyday and become pro at it, really hurts not having a Single Manual car at home throughout my life as a learner, yes Driving lessons halped me heaps, but doesnt beat having ur own

# Tiah, i totally forgot about Carpoint :p

[tiah313]

i thought they are the same thing

[Vvvtec]

He's actually on his opens :P

But yeah man, don't worry too much, with practice you will get there.

[sneakygreek]

How was the Integra? was it like he described it and how did it drive, only reason i thought was dodgy cause he has no books with it