civic06 vti or sport??

[jasonchow]

hi guys i m tossing up between the 2

vti $12500

sport $16500

my goal is put a fd2 bodykit n colivers,

do u think should i save the 4k for mods or just get a better one at the start?

this is my mrs car btw

[blastnpast]

If possible just save and buy the real thing??

[jasonchow]

oh, can u buy a fd2 is aust? how much to they go for?

[blastnpast]

oh, can u buy a fd2 is aust? how much to they go for?

Not sure if u can buy one hence the reason I said if it's possible...


I think you ment can u get an fd2r in AUS etc as a sports/vti is a fd2 lol

[V8KLLR]

Civic Sport is FD2. I used to have one. One more thing you should be wary of before purchasing these cars are that they are an EXTREMELY big f&*k to modify performance wise. The only things you can do is an exhaust with headers and intake. And it uses electrical wires to control throttle, so there isnt a throttle cable. So an engine conversion is out of the question if not extremely hard and cost you a bucket of money. This is why I sold mine. But if you wanna just do it for looks then go for it.


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[blastnpast]

Civic Sport is FD2. I used to have one. One more thing you should be wary of before purchasing these cars are that they are an EXTREMELY big f&*k to modify performance wise. The only things you can do is an exhaust with headers and intake. And it uses electrical wires to control throttle, so there isnt a throttle cable. So an engine conversion is out of the question if not extremely hard and cost you a bucket of money. This is why I sold mine. But if you wanna just do it for looks then go for it.


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[curtis265]

hahahaha v8kllr, you'll get there soon. Why'd uget neg repd for anyway?

anyway, the Fd1 and Fd2 are good for daily drives, but not really performance. If this is ur mrs car, why do u want a kit and coils on it anyway? I doubt she wants to put up with an annoying low ride that scrapes everything and damages the kit.. (but that's just my opinion, you don't ahve to listen to me)

I'd say just get the VTi if u want something to roll in, and if u want more features go the sport..

[ekay1]

hahahaha v8kllr, you'll get there soon. Why'd uget neg repd for anyway?

anyway, the Fd1 and Fd2 are good for daily drives, but not really performance. If this is ur mrs car, why do u want a kit and coils on it anyway? I doubt she wants to put up with an annoying low ride that scrapes everything and damages the kit.. (but that's just my opinion, you don't ahve to listen to me)

I'd say just get the VTi if u want something to roll in, and if u want more features go the sport..

Curtis is headed in the right direction. Plus the fd didnt come out as a sports car and is stronger in the field of looks imo. If you want sunroof, leather seats, better stock rims etc, then go sport but if you wanna save some cash, go vti as i dont think it has much difference performance wise and will probably save you on fuel as well.

[xenonkuraz]

The last tank I did was 566.5 with 2 litres left in the tank lol 100% city driving so I think economy wise either is good. I'd say if you want performance don't get an FD like v8kllr mentions they're a bizznitch to modify and short of getting a really expensive turbo kit you're better off getting something else. But if you're keen on the looks department man I love looking at FDs. They don't even need a kit to look nice just lowered on hot wheels. If you're gonna get an FD cos you like FD's get the Sport. Too many good features to miss out on if you get the Vti.

Saddest thing is inaudible VTEC.

[V8KLLR]

hahahaha v8kllr, you'll get there soon. Why'd uget neg repd for anyway?

Nothing I should have got neg repped for, just some a%^hole with more rep points than me didnt like something i said.

[DuffyFD]

the only things you would get a sport for is:

1. leather seats,
2. a sunroof,
3. indicators on the windows (if you like that better)
4. nicer stock rims,
5. exhaust tips ( or $80 for aftermarket ones - SRS Auto)
6. 2L engine - which doesn't make it faster, since the car is heavier than the vti - they accelerate around the same.
7. flappy paddle gearchangers if you're a retard at manual or prefer that to standard auto.


as xenon said mentioned a few above, except for 1 and 2, the rest really makes no difference or is going to be something you'd replace anyways if you're modding the car (ie. rims, exhaust)

I'd buy the sport still for some reason. 16500 is cheap for a sport, and I'd prefer leather and a sunroof ^^

ofcourse the choice is yours

[chichichibo]

i have got my FD2 Sport few month ago....
well, i had ur situation at that time too....whether go for vti or sport...
but i like the leather seat, the indicator on side mirror, 17" rims, sunroof
and personally, the engine 'looks' nicer...
(only looks nicer when u open the bonnet...i mean, the parts under the bonnet look tidy and nice when u open up the bonnet....)

i do love the leather seats, and sunroof....and that is no way i can get these in vti unless i go buying a new one and putting special request over those accessaries....
leather seats, can still be installed at a cost of around $4K, (told by Honda)
but sunroof...there is no way u can buy an aftermarket.....

BUT....now, i dont really like my FD2.....the fuel consumption is very bad.....
and....there is not much power over the engine......
very loud engine noise.........
yet....the appearance of the Sport is really nice....
ultimately, apart from the 'power' wise.....i like my FD2.......

[chichichibo]

one more thing....the reason why i buy FD2 Sport is: the enhanced safety...
i put the curtain airbag into my purchase consideration....
that's why i go for FD2

but....somehow, i would like to get a Vti too, and change the rims~~ as the fuel consumption over the FD2 is really....shxt..... :)

[jasonchow]

thx for feedback guys, i personally perfer the vti, coz leave me more coins to do mods but mrs wanted the sport, she is not getting the bodykit now i will only get a set of coilovers and 18 rims for her

[eNGee]

As the saying goes -> happy wife... happy life

[curtis265]

haha chichicbo, don't go telling people that - you'rs is dodgy and not an accurate representation of all civic sports

[Stig]

if i had to do it all over again i wouldve gotten an 07 vti

[xenonkuraz]

haha chichicbo, don't go telling people that - you'rs is dodgy and not an accurate representation of all civic sports

Right on. I just trumped my last tank record doing 568km when the last bar disappeared so with about 7l left all city driving

[curtis265]

holyfk th at's better than me

[aero]

thx for feedback guys, i personally perfer the vti, coz leave me more coins to do mods but mrs wanted the sport, she is not getting the bodykit now i will only get a set of coilovers and 18 rims for her

coilovers and wheels is all u need lol.

http://i53.tinypic.com/191452.jpg

[Stig]

thats one big ass rear view mirror

[curtis265]

wink mirror. dam american styling so sexy

[Nismo3oi]

Go for the sport sunroof is great in the afternoon,

Sport also has climate control, fog lights, audio control on steering wheel and more airbags.

Sport looks great the way it is and you won't need to do anything to it.

[chichichibo]

Right on. I just trumped my last tank record doing 568km when the last bar disappeared so with about 7l left all city driving

are u refering to ur FD2 as well? not FD1?
how many kilometers have ur car done?
mine driven 65k, and the consumption has never reached 400km per tank with 98 fuel....
sigh....really dont know wht's going on with my car................80% city driving and not more than 5km per trip tho...... but it sounds ridiculous fuel consumption....
:(

[DuffyFD]

then go get ur car checked chichichibo...

and if you're only doing 5km from cold starts, then remember that the car idles higher while warming up, and thus uses more petrol

[curtis265]

chichichichchichichichibo have u even tried to fix it yet? or are you just going to sit there and complain again?

[aero]

mine driven 65k, and the consumption has never reached 400km per tank with 98 fuel....
sigh....really dont know wht's going on with my car................80% city driving and not more than 5km per trip tho...... but it sounds ridiculous fuel consumption....
:(

thats probably why ur consumption is so bad. 80% city driving and only short trips are gonna dramatically affect ur fuel efficiency. take longer journeys in ur car! lol make a 20min detour on the highway to wherever ur going. that will help ur fuel efficiency, even if it may take u an extra 20 mins to get to where u want to go :p

[FDPete]

thats probably why ur consumption is so bad. 80% city driving and only short trips are gonna dramatically affect ur fuel efficiency. take longer journeys in ur car! lol make a 20min detour on the highway to wherever ur going. that will help ur fuel efficiency, even if it may take u an extra 20 mins to get to where u want to go :p


Guys I am getting the same fuel consumption as Chichichibo...I drive 85% city driving Melb peak hour traffic get about 370 k’s a tank and I believe its normal..anyone who claims to drive in the same conditions with a FD2 and gets 500 k’s per tank is dreaming!!

[curtis265]

what, so 13 L/100km is normal?

I rkn it shoudl be 11 max...

[xenonkuraz]

Guys I am getting the same fuel consumption as Chichichibo...I drive 85% city driving Melb peak hour traffic get about 370 k’s a tank and I believe its normal..anyone who claims to drive in the same conditions with a FD2 and gets 500 k’s per tank is dreaming!!

I do 80-90% city driving but not peak hour conditions, although a fair bit of stop/start. It's the same every week and I consistently get 560km+ with 2-5 litres left

[aero]

2ltrs left?! :eek: crazy

[jasonchow]

update: i brought my sport coz mrs wanted it
post some pics once i done it up:)

[xenonkuraz]

2ltrs left?! :eek: crazy

Yeah. It happened because I forgot to pump then the next day I went to pump the petrol was uber expensive so I waited two more days LOL. I heard its bad to let your tank run that low but meh car is running smoother than ever. Btw all my calculations are based of the fact that my tank is 50L. It may be more?

[aero]

^ it is a fact that the FD tanks are 50ltrs. if u were able to fill up 48L in one stop at a fuel station, then that is pretty ballsy. i get nervous driving as soon as theirs 2 lights of fuel left. lol

PS: btw, do u seriously own a GT3RS?!?! lol pics!

[TheSaint]

ok so in theory ...

buy a manual sport
swap the interior with the vti to save weight
put on light rims to save more weight
strip out the boot lining etc to save weight but dont compromise too much
they come with a K20? so why not put in type-r or type-s cams? or headswap?
clutch, flywheel, intake, headers, exhaust, coilovers

win?

[xenonkuraz]

Bolt on 200shot of nitrous. Win!

[aero]

ok so in theory ...

buy a manual sport
swap the interior with the vti to save weight
put on light rims to save more weight
strip out the boot lining etc to save weight but dont compromise too much
they come with a K20? so why not put in type-r or type-s cams? or headswap?
clutch, flywheel, intake, headers, exhaust, coilovers

win?

sounds good... until u learn that the k20z2 is a piece of crap when its stock and is also a piece of crap when modied

[TheSaint]

what are the main differences with the K20z2 and the K20z1?

isnt it usually only the head thats different - there for head swapping it to make it a type-r?

[xenonkuraz]

The k20z2 is a combination of k20a and k20z3. Hybrid between the two. For you k20z2 haters I can still rip dc2rs and b16s. The only let down or fds are their ghey dbw throttles

[black8thgen]

fd2 is too fat and heavy loooool, wish i had a dc5r but cant stop modding the fd LOL

[aero]

The k20z2 is a combination of k20a and k20z3. Hybrid between the two. For you k20z2 haters I can still rip dc2rs and b16s. The only let down or fds are their ghey dbw throttles

u mean b18s? i really have a hard time believing that an fd2 will beat a dc2r. maybe a dc2 gli, but certainly not dc2r.

[TheSaint]

ok so why arnt people lightening them and putting Z1 heads on them?

cant imagine it would be far off a AUDM Dc5-S

[black8thgen]

how much would that cost? and what engine is in an audm dc5

[TheSaint]

Audm Dc5 Type-S is a K20z1

[aero]

would there be any compliance and registration issues with changing the head of the engine,since the type s dc5 stopped production in 2006?

[black8thgen]

what would changing the head of the engine do anyways? save weight? will it pull out any more power?

[fitme]

u mean b18s? i really have a hard time believing that an fd2 will beat a dc2r. maybe a dc2 gli, but certainly not dc2r.

i think even on B16a's...fd2 will get a hard time

[Stig]

would there be any compliance and registration issues with changing the head of the engine,since the type s dc5 stopped production in 2006?

i wouldn't see any problems if the head was changed? since the engine number is only on the block

[black8thgen]

stig.. pics of ur evo pls!!!!

[TheSaint]

what would changing the head of the engine do anyways? save weight? will it pull out any more power?

LOL - the head effects EVERYTHING - its where all the action happens for making n/a power
the Type-S has much more aggressive cams and a better flowing head - it would effectively turn your car into a 4-door JDM Dc5 Type-R
(our K20z1 has more in common with the JDM Dc5 ITR K20 and our AUDM ITR)

match that with intake, headers, exhaust and a good tune and you should have a damn nice car
if you have a heavy leather interior u may want to get some recaros and swap out the back seat for the basemodel
do a few things like this to save weight etc - light wheels - light battery

[black8thgen]

and where can we get z1 heads?

[xenonkuraz]

Wreckers. Costly too

[TheSaint]

wreckers, ebay, forums - keep ur eyes open n you might pick up a bargain

im sure the K20a2 head and a few others would be fine as well

[xenonkuraz]

I had a run with my bros s2k this morning and I was only half a car or so behind from a standstill. I think all you guys who drive fd1s and think the fd2 is a pos haven't yet driven one (properly)

[TheSaint]

the s2k is also very over glorified as well lol

the R18 and K20 in the ausdm model civics have alot of potential

as do the D16 and D15's - people just form misconceptions about them straight away

look what i have done with my D15b7.....

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?127680-TheSaint-s-Civic-Ferio

[xenonkuraz]

the s2k is also very over glorified as well lol

the R18 and K20 in the ausdm model civics have alot of potential

as do the D16 and D15's - people just form misconceptions about them straight away

look what i have done with my D15b7.....

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?127680-TheSaint-s-Civic-Ferio

yeah I read through your thread yesterday. can we get a longer vid? lol

[TheSaint]

yeah im working on it still - i went back to college this week so time is a bit tight at the moment - and theres alot of vid to sort through lol

[chichichibo]

and where can we get z1 heads?

may i ask, what is a Z1 head?
which part of the engine are you refering to? and where does Z1 head fitted on? Integra?
:)

[xenonkuraz]

the z1 engine as mentioned earlier is from a dc5s. the head is the top of the engine (head & bottom)

[TheSaint]

lol - i think you should research on how an engine is built before rushing into any major changes like this lol

the head on an engine is where all the action happens, it houses the cams, the valves and the intake and exhaust ports for the cylinder
it controlls how the engine breathes

http://image.modified.com/f/28243757/modp_1008_03_o+cylinder_head_porting+cutaway.jpg

as for designations ... there are different types of K20 - models made for efficiency and models made for performance
the main differences are usually in the head, intake and exhaust

for example - the K20z3 is the model found in the Civic and is more designed towards efficiency, the K20z1 is the model found in the Dc5 Integra Type-S and is designed for performance
the K20z1 has a really nice vtec setup on the exhaust cam as well (the bad thing about the Type-S though is the heavy leather interior lol)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine#K20Z1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine#K20Z3

therefor it would be advantageous to change the head of the engine to that of a K20z1 - or if it is possible convert it to Z1 specifications

[xenonkuraz]

Actually the z3 is from the civic si (usdm) and is very high performing!

[TheSaint]

hrm i miss quoted - the engine in the 2006+ Civic Sport is this

Engine Location Front
Configuration In-line
Engine Size (cc) 1998
Cam DOHC with VVT
Engine Cycle 4 Stroke
Engine Type Piston
Engine Number K2OZ219####1
Engine Code K2OZ2
Cylinders 4
Valves per Cylinder 4
Compression Ratio 9.8
Power 114kW @ 6200rpm
Torque 188Nm @ 4200rpm
Induction System Aspirated
Fuel Type Petrol - Unleaded ULP
Fuel Tank Capacity (litres) 50
Fuel Delivery Multi-Point Injection
Method of Delivery Electronic Sequential
Carbon Dioxide (g/km) 187
Fuel Combined (l/100km) 7.9

Civic Sport K20z2 = 114kw
Integra Type-S K20z1 = 154kw
Integra Type-R k20a2 = 147kw

[black8thgen]

wtf the z1 puts out more power? how does that make any sense,,

[TheSaint]

the australian model Type-R got a down-tuned version of the Japanese unit

the australian model Type-S got a much more aggressive exhaust cam and exhaust system - the problem with the type-s isnt the engine - its the weight of the more luxurious interior and softer suspension

the JDM Type-R K20a puts out 160kw

[chichichibo]

oh, i understand now....
yea, i know abt the engine coding, but just dont know the abbreviation that u guys talking abt here, such as Z1 head......
i know Civic sport is K20Z2.....so, we can put the K20Z1 engine into a Civic sport??
woo, that's COOL!!!!

[TheSaint]

well you dont really need to swap the whole engine - just the heads - the bottom end would be exactly the same

[chichichibo]

well you dont really need to swap the whole engine - just the heads - the bottom end would be exactly the same

Oh, really? that's very interesting!!!
but....does there enough space for the Z1 head to be fitted into a Civic Sport? i checked the picture of the Z1 engine, it looks huge~~ bigger than the K20Z2
and...how much would that cost?

[TheSaint]

i dont know what pics you have been looking at but they are exactly the same lol
the chassis on the civic encloses the engine a bit more than the Dc5

not sure on the cost - you would have to call around to see if you can find one

[aero]

unfortunately all this talk about head swapping doesnt apply to the r18 =[

[TheSaint]

the R18 is a pretty cool little motor just needs work - like everything else =)

[curtis265]

I love the R18. Been driving a H22 now and i prefer the midrange torque it has.. (i know right, a honda with torque!)

[xenonkuraz]

Oh, really? that's very interesting!!!
but....does there enough space for the Z1 head to be fitted into a Civic Sport? i checked the picture of the Z1 engine, it looks huge~~ bigger than the K20Z2
and...how much would that cost?

damn chichichichichichichichichichichichibo you need to do a bit more research before asking all these super-noob questions...

[curtis265]

chichichichichichichibo it won't fix ur fuel efficiency woes.

(btw, they all have the K20 prefix meaning they are the same engine... and they look identical btw)

[xenonkuraz]

if anything make it less fuel efficient :D

[fitme]

upgrade for the K20Z2 engine

K&N Short ram intake
HotPipes headers
Unichip
Skunk 2 camshafts and exhaust cam gear
HKS Circle Earth
Pivot Megaraizin

already been tested/dynoed
A/T: 158whp @ 7000rpm
M/T: 170whp mark

[FDPete]

upgrade for the K20Z2 engine

K&N Short ram intake
HotPipes headers
Unichip
Skunk 2 camshafts and exhaust cam gear
HKS Circle Earth
Pivot Megaraizin

already been tested/dynoed
A/T: 158whp @ 7000rpm
M/T: 170whp mark

WHo in Melbourne can do a ECU flash/upgrade for a FD2 K20z?

[black8thgen]

are those the mods you've done fitme??

[xenonkuraz]

theres no point in the pivot raizin...our cars are new so why would you need grounding support or a voltage stabilizer....

[chichichibo]

chichichichichichichibo it won't fix ur fuel efficiency woes.

(btw, they all have the K20 prefix meaning they are the same engine... and they look identical btw)

if the car produces more power, i am fine with the fuel consumption.
the current civic sport 07 for me is so bad coz it consumes a lot of fuel but not generating a corresponding power....it consumes like 12-13L, per 100km.....
if i have to pay for such a fuel consumption, why wouldnt i drive a 3.5 toyota Aurion...
tht's why i feel so disappointed with my civic

[curtis265]

there is clearly something wrong with your car. It's a bad egg

[xenonkuraz]

Hey I've got a solution for ya...

Sell your civic and buy a scooter!

Fuel efficiency would be like 5L/100km. Woo!!

[fitme]

theres no point in the pivot raizin...our cars are new so why would you need grounding support or a voltage stabilizer...

actually there is...grounding in our FD is weak...you can notice it with your headlight when the A/C kicks in...

[DuffyFD]

Do what I did and do the big 3 wires :)

makes things marginally better

[curtis265]

wat? Grounding makes the car perform better now does it?

[xenonkuraz]

actually there is...grounding in our FD is weak...you can notice it with your headlight when the A/C kicks in...

I actually tried two different kits to see if it would make any difference and it was probably like 0.01% better lol

[dansta]

fd2 dport should come with more power agreed , but it handles like a sports car in my opinion