96 Integra VTiR: To buy or not to buy. Help

[96teg]

Tomorrow I am going to look at a late 96 model Integra VTiR. I can get it for $14,500. I have been looking around the forum and have read mixed opinions about the b18c. Would I be better off with a civic?? The car has done 160000 kms 17inch wheels, CD player and sunroof.

What do you fellas think? :?

[Dream`R]

$14500 for a car with 160000kms.....that is way 2 much
Just wait a bit and you should be able to get a better deal

[96teg]

Yeah you might be right, but I've been looking around and this car is by far the cheapest Integra I've found being a late 96 model.

[fried]

first and foremost, if u r keen on it, call sydney vehicle check, or state roads vehicle check! make sure theres nothign wrong with the car.... cost about 135 for a stateroads check, and its a good job, they tell you everything!

[ginganggooly]

i'd put more faith in how the car actually runs and drives than the mileage.

a well maintained car with 150k km is better than a car with a poorly maintained car with 75k km.

[Phorte]

i'd put more faith in how the car actually runs and drives than the mileage.

a well maintained car with 150k km is better than a car with a poorly maintained car with 75k km.

spot on.

i'd be asking for all log books...... but then there's the problem if the seller doesnt thrash it in vtec when its cold etc etc just general driving style you wont really tell. you can only tell if he's had it serviced often and what oils he's used...........

i'd be looking at something with less K's but see how you go with that one too.

[96teg]

Wow, thanks a lot for the input guys. I'll let you know how I go. Do you really think I could pick up a teg with similar specs and less kms for the same price? Where's a good place to look? Auctions?

location

Melbourne

[vti-2]

There are lots of Integra's around for sale in Melbourne.

What's your limit in terms of budget?

[Boost]

i think $14,500 for 160k car is too expensive. A well serviced 160k car is better than a low k car that has not been serviced often is true. But you also have to remember that if later on you intend on selling the car other buyers wont have the same opinion as yours. They will look at the k's and say Nar thats too high, skip this one. Get what i mean? I personaly think that if you can find one with lower k's but slightly more expensive i'd go for that one.

[XXpl0Sive]

Also, consider the condition of the car if it has been driven for 160k kms, eg. Interior Wear.

[96teg]

Would I be better off with a Civic VTiR?? Also, what year did the front end/headlights change on the Integra? 96?

[Boost]

yes, check to see if the meter is wounded back, you can tell if the meter says for example 50k and the flooring carpet on the driver side is totally worn out. You can do the maths. My integ has done 68k now and its in excellent condition, if you love your car you have to keep it in A1. :)

[Phorte]

Would I be better off with a Civic VTiR??

what are you after in a car?

what will your plans be with the car? performance? handling? looks?

[96teg]

Mostly I'm after a car that feels quality. I love the look of the integra but I could handle a Civic. I really want a VTiR what ever the case. My budget is about $16000.

[XXpl0Sive]

Would I be better off with a Civic VTiR?? Also, what year did the front end/headlights change on the Integra? 96?97+. From what i know, VTi-R's were only 97-99 and from 2000 -> it was GSi and Type-R

[booget]

hey dude
mines a 96 vtir

bought it a yr ago, for 18k
wid 85kms on da clock

runs like a kitten
had no probs wid it yet
its got 125 on the clock atm, so ive put on 40k worth of bashing, as some of u guys already know

if the cars been looked afta it should be aiight

[booget]

if u goto gallery n look at pics from RNP
mines the white teg wid cf
hehehe

[tanghy]

so much mis information
integra vtirs came out in 93 with one air bag
had a slight cosmetic change in 96 + dual airbags
98 on had major facelift
99 discontinued replaced by type R

[vti-2]

I'm looking at selling mine soon. ;)

PM me if your interested.

[ginganggooly]

the earliest build date you'll find is '93, but the newest compliance date i've seen is '94. i'm not sure if the rear spoiler was standard equipment or not. the service manual also says that '93-'95 model vtec integras come with an oil cooler. '96- does not. somehow i don't think this applies to aus delivered integras as i cannot see my oil cooler ;)

there was no cosmetic change in '96 (not sure about the rear spoiler), the major differencees being the dual airbags and a shift to obd2. '98 is where they changed the the headlights and front and rear bars (maybe a few other minor things too).

[vti-2]

ginganggooly - the rear spoiler was standard on 93-95 VTi-R's. ;)

[skoota]

hey vti-2 why u looking to sell - u've got a sweeeet ride. What yr is yr teggy btw??? :D

[vti-2]

I'm selling cause i want an EG! My Teg is a 93/94.

[Spunkymonkey]

I have a vtir teg, and we also have a vtir civic.

Personally I would go the teg...unless you think you need a hatch to park it in smaller places....

there really isn't that much difference in weight and the vtec in the teg is more refined...ie...

its a nice cruisy car.

with the civic...its more all or nothing...and not much happens before vtec cuts in....

you have to revv it quite a bit more to get it going.

[poweredbyhonda]

You crazy guys? 96 model with 160,000 is o.k. It;s a damn Vtir for 14,500 now thats a bargain!I bought my 94 model for $19,000 2.5 years ago which was pretty cheap back then. Plus you got the nice Vti-r rims with it too which I would like to buy!
You will never be let down getting a B18C.

[vti-2]

I agree with poweredbyhonda. I thought that was cheap! I dunno what the going rate is for Teg's in Sydney but here in Melbourne a stock '94 model in good condition still goes for $16-17k.

[Dream`R]

so much mis information
integra vtirs came out in 93 with one air bag
had a slight cosmetic change in 96 + dual airbags
98 on had major facelift
99 discontinued replaced by type R

What was the slight cosmetic change for the '96? As far as im aware there was on ly one face lift around 97/98.

I got mine for $16500 around 6 months ago with 105000km and that was from a dealer. There were many in the in the $15k mark when i was shopping for a car.

[Spunkymonkey]

What was the slight cosmetic change for the '96? As far as im aware there was on ly one face lift around 97/98.

I got mine for $16500 around 6 months ago with 105000km and that was from a dealer. There were many in the in the $15k mark when i was shopping for a car.

I thought the changes in 96 were...addition of immobiliser and sunroof and spoiler not standard on gsi models anymore??

I haven't kept up with what the market for tegs is like recently lol....

I guess its harder to sell second hand cars these days lol...but I bought my car about 3 years ago...so its been a while.

[BlakTegra]

Prices for Integra VTIRs are a bit more expensive in Melbourne than in Sydney, around $1.5k - $2k dearer from memory when I was shopping for one.

I recently bought my '98 Integra from a dealer and got ripped off. But I wanted it so bad cuz of the colour, new front and rear bar, low k's, and dual airbags.

Also, the dealer told me that the Series II ('97+) VTIR Integras has an extra 5kW. Not too sure about that tho....can some one confirm on the extra 5kW or is he talking crap?

[ginganggooly]

he's talking crap ;)

everything i've read up about teg's says that, if anything, the obd2 cars suffered a slight loss in output.

[Spunkymonkey]

slim's right on that one...they are supposed to be slightly heavier than the 93 - 96 models.

[fried]

ginganggooly - the rear spoiler was standard on 93-95 VTi-R's. ;)

not his mate.

[Dream`R]

I thought the changes in 96 were...addition of immobiliser and sunroof and spoiler not standard on gsi models anymore??

I haven't kept up with what the market for tegs is like recently lol....

I guess its harder to sell second hand cars these days lol...but I bought my car about 3 years ago...so its been a while.

I got sunroof and spoiler, not sure about immobiliser. But i dont have the new bumpers and headlights. Maybcoz mine is early 96, and the change came late 96 :roll:

[Spunkymonkey]

I thought the changes in 96 were...addition of immobiliser and sunroof and spoiler not standard on gsi models anymore??

I haven't kept up with what the market for tegs is like recently lol....

I guess its harder to sell second hand cars these days lol...but I bought my car about 3 years ago...so its been a while.

I got sunroof and spoiler, not sure about immobiliser. But i dont have the new bumpers and headlights. Maybcoz mine is early 96, and the change came late 96 :roll:

yeah...I believe the shape nose cone/tail light changes were end of 96 onwards to 99.

Is yours a vtir or gsi?

If you have an immobiliser you will be able to tell by your key....the ones without it just have the small rubber bit around the key....but the ones that have it the black rubber on the key is quite thick...ie there is a chip inside.

[raramichael]

I HAD A 97 IN PRIME NICK W/ 68900KMS A YR AGO WHICH I SOLD FOR $20500

IT WAS A GOOD CAR

I ALSO HAD DC2R WHICH I CRASHED AND REPAIRED.

IT WAS A CRAPPED UP CAR AFTER THE CRASH BUT WAS SOLD FOR $28500.

[dcii_sir]

There was a dude selling a white Integra Vtir for 12k about 1 month and half back. Anyway, I think teg is a nice car.. I used to own one and chicks love it. They cant tell the difference between that and a type R so there's a bonus. But the only thing that I hate about the teg is the fact that you can't really hear the vtec crossover. When the rpm hits 5800, vtec is so soft u can barely hear it and with a muffler on, you definately will not hear it. So yeah, its got the looks and the performance but no VTEC sound.. :D That was one of the reasons I sold mine..

[Spunkymonkey]

There was a dude selling a white Integra Vtir for 12k about 1 month and half back. Anyway, I think teg is a nice car.. I used to own one and chicks love it. They cant tell the difference between that and a type R so there's a bonus. But the only thing that I hate about the teg is the fact that you can't really hear the vtec crossover. When the rpm hits 5800, vtec is so soft u can barely hear it and with a muffler on, you definately will not hear it. So yeah, its got the looks and the performance but no VTEC sound.. :D That was one of the reasons I sold mine..

not all chicks are like that ;)

Was there something wrong with your car, you couldn't hear the vtec :P

You can definitely hear mine, especially in high rpm :!:

[96teg]

I have to admit, I've driven a 99 Integra GSi and was impressed. I've never been in a VTEC equiped car and before I jumped on this forum I didn't know that the VTEC 'kicked' in at certain revs. Is it just an engine management system? If so what does it adjust?..... Also I like the way the 'sound' of the Vtec is being described. What does it sound like? A turbo or a possesed 4 trying to be an 8? :?:

[vti-2]

I can definitely hear when my VTEC crosses over.

Hey 96teg - where in Melbourne are you?

[96teg]

I'm in Mill Park..... and you?

[vti-2]

West suburbs... you have a PM.

[96teg]

Yeah but I'm at work and its filtered. So what model do you have?

[vti-2]

Mine's a 93/94.

[96teg]

Nice. How hard is it to get a VTiR ( Thats what yours is right?), going like a type R? Is it as easy as a ram pod, chip and exhaust? Are you able to override the rev limiter anyhow? 1 more thing... how much are clear tail lights worth?

[vti-2]

It's not that hard, but it ain't cheap. To get it as quick as a Type-R you would need to do I/H/E and modify the ECU or install a powerchip. LSD would help as well.

With the rev limiter, you won't want to override that as it is there for a purpose. If you want the engine to rev high you need a high compression engine in the first place (Type-R) and you need to do a bit of head work (and possibly cams).

For the clear tail lights check out www.motorware.com.au.

[ginganggooly]

in terms of straight line speed, all you need is an intake, header and exhaust...

thats all i have, i seem to be able to pull on stock or near stock r's.

[tanghy]

xx

[96teg]

OK, So you are saying I'd be better off with a Type R. So how does the vtec sound? I only want to spend about $18000 give or take. What would you say is the best model to aim for, as in value for money? I heard the late 96 models are the newer looking types and I think I can pick one up for about 15K. Or should I spend more and get a later model? I'm talking VTiR's by the way.

[tanghy]

96 integras had 2 airbags instead of one
and the door strips were colour coded
and the mirrors are diff shape

[96teg]

and the headlights/front grill?

[Teggy-Vtir]

tanghy: door strips were colour coded??
aint all teg vtirs colour coded??

[tanghy]

earlier models were black

[Teggy-Vtir]

ive got the 94 vtir and its colour coded

ive seen 93 vtirs and they are also colour coded

[tanghy]

ok the ones i've seen are black

[ginganggooly]

All vti-r's are colour coded.

[vti-2]

Originally posted by ginganggooly:
All vti-r's are colour coded.

Mine wasn't. I colour coded it myself.

tanghy is right. The older models weren't colour coded at all. The base models on the second series DC2 still weren't colour coded but VTi-R's and Type-R's were. If anyone bought a 93-96 DC2 and if it was colour coded, it was done after it rolled out of Honda.

[ginganggooly]

mine is a 93 build vti-r- it's colour coded. i have never seen a vti-r without colour coded door strips.
i've seen quite a few too.

[vti-2]

I didn't realise you were talking about the mouldings. :shock:

You have my apologies. I was referring to the skirts and lower front bar. VTi-R door mouldings are colour coded from factory.

[tanghy]

and the headlights/front grill?

headlight + front grill not changed till 98

[tanghy]

tanghy: door strips were colour coded??
aint all teg vtirs colour coded??

i could be wrong about this..
but i seen vtir with black door moulding
fake vtir sticker???

[philBo]

most likely..... ahahahha

[dcii_sir]

I said you can hear it, but its very very soft compared to the civic vtir vtec crossover.. Hey vic, I'll take you for a drive and you can listen to yourself.

btw.. there was nothing wrong with my teg dudes.. I dragged a stock vtir before and killed it by 2 car lengths... :P

[kiddoDC2]

if you want more sound jus remove the air box and it'll sound mad lol

[vti-2]

Hey vic, I'll take you for a drive and you can listen to yourself.

Ok. :D

I'll take you for a spin in mine if you want, VTEC is heaps loud. ;) :D

[dcii_sir]

Hey vic.. Done deal.. whenever u are free. .weekends ? come online on mirc dude.. i'll chat to you there. The teg's vtec will sound like a whisper compared to the civics vtec roar.

[Teggy-Vtir]

i cant really hear or feel my vtec

i jus recently dynoed my car, it makes a nice curve all d way thru to 8000 rpm :)
no jump in power wen vtec hits

[dcii_sir]

vtec kicks in at 5800 but doesnt really start pulling till about 6500.. take a note of your rpm once it reaches that.. u should see it go a little quicker than normal..

[booget]

just get a full exhaust n intake and trust me u will hear the vtec kicking in

[Marz]

Just adding a decent filter, with aluminium CAI you should notice the VTEC kick in.

On my R - the difference from std air box to custom CAI was awesome :)

[Insane_B18]

hmm i thought on a dc2 vtec kick in at 4400 and the secondaries open at 5800 rpm.

[Spunkymonkey]

yeah...was gonna say your figure of 5800 is a bit high!

I've driven a stock vtir civic (we have one at home) and its really dam quiet...I mean it gets a bit noiser when vtec cuts in....but teg....really opens up....(exhaust and all).

I think perhaps what you mean is the vtec on the dc2 vtir is more refined and smooth sounding whereas on the civic its more all or nothing....

[luzinit]

dats coz ur teggy isnt exactly stock quyen :P when u left maccas that day we had a lil meet, omg.. soloud!
but stock vs stock.. civic is damn noisy compared to teggy vtir on vtec!

[Teggy-Vtir]

yupz true that luzinit

[Spunkymonkey]

dats coz ur teggy isnt exactly stock quyen :P when u left maccas that day we had a lil meet, omg.. soloud!
but stock vs stock.. civic is damn noisy compared to teggy vtir on vtec!

nah...no kidding :P

exhaust is quiet on low revs...but does rattle a little...but yeah...can get noisy!!!

Hey...the muffler is not straight through...straight through is even louder :!:

besides he said "vtec is so soft u can barely hear it and with a muffler on, you definately will not hear it"

Its definitely not quiet if you have a different muffler on :P

[dcii_sir]

hmm.. i never actually felt my vtec pull at all in my teg.. maybe its the smoother power throughout the band ?? the one i was referring when it pulls at 6599 is for the civic i am driving now.. :D

[Spunkymonkey]

hmm.. i never actually felt my vtec pull at all in my teg.. maybe its the smoother power throughout the band ?? the one i was referring when it pulls at 6599 is for the civic i am driving now.. :D

I think its partially that as well. Pete has sat in my car, and he does state that the b16a of the EK VTIR and his SIR civic have a more "raw" quality where as the teg...is a smoother transition.

I find you really have to rev hard in the civic to get it going.

[wynode]

hmm i thought on a dc2 vtec kick in at 4400 and the secondaries open at 5800 rpm.

Isn't it the other way around?

[olda]

Wow, thanks a lot for the input guys. I'll let you know how I go. Do you really think I could pick up a teg with similar specs and less kms for the same price? Where's a good place to look? Auctions?

location

Melbourne

Forget looking around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The price is right. I would say excellent, if the car was serviced regularly,
just grab it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's 1997 VTiR for sale on MCCR pages. The guy is asking 23K. ;)

[olda]

Would I be better off with a Civic VTiR?? Also, what year did the front end/headlights change on the Integra? 96?97+. From what i know, VTi-R's were only 97-99 and from 2000 -> it was GSi and Type-R

DC2 GSi & VTiR was launched in 1994. Both had a "facelift" in 1997. Different front and rear bars. VTiR got 2 airbags.
Type-R went on sale in Nov. 99 :|

[JonNy_DexTeR]

i would rather a type r

[weeman]

:)
i would rather a type r

mate if you want to spam do it int the spam thread where you can say type r's are the best as much as you want, that way you wont bring up threads that are over 2 years old, stop doing it its annoying, if you keep it up you'll probly get banned, so stop

thanx :) :)

[dc2dc2dc2]

....wtf jonny dexter im gonna make sure ur posts are deleted. As zelda said earlier WHAT ARE U TRYING TO SELL !!! u are reviving threads from 2003 !!! with stupid answers ! BAN !!!!

[sAimOns]

160,000kms ?
far man thats way to much in my opinion
i'll be looking for one thats preferabally abt 100,000kms

neways good luck finding one

[THE_MASS]

$14500 for a car with 160000kms.....that is way 2 much
Just wait a bit and you should be able to get a better deal

its true!
you can definately find a much beeter deal if you keep looking.
there are plenty around, and you shouldnt get eager, because thats when you make mistakes.
keep looking. im sure youll find a much better deal. there bound to pop up ;)
and BTW sunroof on Vtir's are standard. :thumbsup:

[poweredbyhonda]

If you guys can find me an Integra Vti-r 96+ model for under 14,000 in Melb with under 160000kms, let me know. I have been looking around for a few weeks now and can't find one.

[T-onedc2]

Would I be better off with a Civic VTiR?? Also, what year did the front end/headlights change on the Integra? 96?
Headlights, tail lights, front and rear bumpers changed late '97 among other minor changes.

[T-onedc2]

I'll add that my mate recently bought a stock early '97 (pre update) DC2 vtir in perfect condition with only 108,000km's for $16,900, great car!:thumbsup: