Pre EF Shuttle/Wagon Questions

[SpoonEK4]

Hi, I'm looking at a '86 Civic Shuttle/wagon but I'm a little clueless on this model so I'm hoping somebody here may be able to help. I have used the search but this model doesn't get modified much I'm guessing.

1. Where do these things rust?

2. What brake/suspension upgrades can I do? I've done a upgrade on my EK but the brakes/suspension look nothing like an EG/EK/Integra setup. It has a beam axle in the back.

3. Will my wheels (4x100/15x6.5/+45) I have stashed away fit? I don't mind rolling guards if I have to.

Any help anybody gives is appreciated.

[TheSaint]

i cant help with the questions ...

but watch this =p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAl180zN3Z0

[trism]

wrong sort of wagon.

[mugen_ctr]

i cant help with the questions ...

but watch this =p



Bisi, king of D-series motors :D

1. not sure, If its like any other car, it will rust in the main areas of wheel well, under carriage, the outside shell, boot.... just depends how well it was looked after in its life time
2. brakes and suspension upgrade will depend on ur budget, as far as brake budget goes, a good set of pads will go the distance, an if so, replace the 20year old rotors with fresh ones, suspension wise, again budget, springs with matched dampers
3. I think they do infact run 4 by 100, so yes it should fit with no problems, no need to roll due to the offset

[SpoonEK4]

wrong sort of wagon.

I don't understand this quote. Are you trying to tell me I'm choosing the wrong car or you just don't like my choice?

[SpoonEK4]

Bisi, king of D-series motors :D

1. not sure, If its like any other car, it will rust in the main areas of wheel well, under carriage, the outside shell, boot.... just depends how well it was looked after in its life time
2. brakes and suspension upgrade will depend on ur budget, as far as brake budget goes, a good set of pads will go the distance, an if so, replace the 20year old rotors with fresh ones, suspension wise, again budget, springs with matched dampers
3. I think they do infact run 4 by 100, so yes it should fit with no problems, no need to roll due to the offset

I've checked the normal places you check for rust and it's all good.

As for budget, I was trying to keep it on the cheap side as I am doing a major rebuild mechanically on my EK hatchback for hillclimbs and trackdays. I don't want coilovers but just lowered coils and some Koni's. The brakes I was hoping to be able to use the disc setup out of my EK but I remember reading somewhere that DA Integra disc system was the go.

[trism]

I don't understand this quote. Are you trying to tell me I'm choosing the wrong car or you just don't like my choice?

No I'm telling the saint that his video is the wrong sort of wagon. Its an ef. When you clearly have an ah.

I love your car choice lolz.

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[SpoonEK4]

Thanks. Bisi's wagon is good inspiration.

[TheSaint]

No I'm telling the saint that his video is the wrong sort of wagon. Its an ef. When you clearly have an ah.

I love your car choice lolz.

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its still inspiration

damn post nazi

[mugen_ctr]

its still inspiration

damn post nazi

Funny how trism never really helps out with some of the questions aye........ lol

If going with DA brakes, id say definite go the whole brake system, front and rear, brake master cylinder an booster, and prop valve as ur going from drums to disc which there fore uses a different brake bias

Being such a old car, definite get new shocks an springs, regardless of brand or even 2nd hand shocks/springs, its over 20 years old, things are bound to be loose as a goose lol, same goes for pretty much the whole car in general

[SpoonEK4]

Thanks again guys but unfortunately I was a little slow on laying down cash because I was away over Easter and the wagon was snapped up. My search begins again.

I was looking at www.redbook.com.au and it looks like Australia got the 1989 Civic Shuttle/wagon (same basic model as Bisi's). Can anybody comfirm they've seen one here?

[Cooker]

I've seen a couple of the old AH Shuttle but never an EF like Bisis which would be the better wagon to get as AH has pretty crude suspension setup.

[sadlerau]

Crude the AH suspension may have been Daniel, but they could still handle pretty well! Had one with a ZC Twin cam, and it was a buzz, blowing away Codias at traffic light Grand Prix, and leaving Starions for dead on back roads in the hills. :) Memories............... :D

[Cooker]

Haha, yer their not bad for early 1980's but I meant if you had the choice of the AH or EF Shuttle/wagon the EF would be a better platform.
Then again if all you can find is an AH Shuttle then no reason why you shouldn't get one.
There was one at Honbits awhile back that I really wanted but it had to much rust.

[chinx_4eva]

yes Australia did sell the civic wagons called RTX (EE3's)
its the Real Time 4WD version running on a D15B4 twin carb
i know.. i have 2 ;)

[Cooker]

Cool, never new that!!

[SpoonEK4]

Cool, wasn't even aware they came to Australia. Are they auto or manual?

Found a couple more AH(?) wagons and going to look at them. Thinking if I buy one I will transplant my D16Y4 and 5spd out of my EK hatch into it as I'm not really going to get much selling them. Plus I know it a good engine as I purchased the hatch new in 97.

[waix]

they come in both auto and manual. Should go for the EF wagon, looks much better.

[SpoonEK4]

I've never seen one. I don't believe they were ever imported into Australia. Somebody correct if I'm wrong. I'll stop looking for an AH if they brought EF's here.

[v__]

i had an EE3 wagon awhile back.
they were one awsome car. i regret selling now.
cause new owner crashed it and sold to another guy that is trying to repair it. as its repairable right off now

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx334/JerryBuiltThis/Anything%20Car%20Related/Vis%20Builds/Vis%20Wagon%20Attack%20III/1f9b55d1.jpg
http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx334/JerryBuiltThis/Anything%20Car%20Related/Vis%20Builds/Vis%20Wagon%20Attack%20III/5cebb6ec.jpg

[SpoonEK4]

I stand corrected. Are these FWD or 4WD?

[v__]

4wd 6 speed.

[SpoonEK4]

That's a cool spec'd wagon. Are they 1988-89? Sorry about so many questions.

[v__]

i think its 88 to 91. my one was 89.

yea if i was u. just keep eye out on the ef.
dont waste ur money on ah. they crap.

ef has same suspension as dc2r. with the rear lower control arms.
but for the fronts. u gota change the fork to dc2/eg to fit the coilovers.

[SpoonEK4]

Ok, thanks. I'll start searching.

[~Sp33~]

Engine swaps are far more difficult on the older AH as well. The 4wd system and suspension components on the EF shape was far more efficient and interchangeable with other civic models. Ask how i know :P

[SpoonEK4]

Let me guess, lot's of time doing it and researching?

[~Sp33~]

I've owned a 4wd EF for several years now.