how far can a DC5R go/ what to look for?

[fillit]

Hey guys.

I'm in the market for a DC5R and there are quite a few DC5Rs at a reasonable price but with higher KMS, unfortunately I have a phobia of cars with high KMs as mine has barely hit 50,000kms. I understand that Honda engines are bulletproof but I'd like to know how far your cars has gone and what risks I will be facing (in terms of maintenance) on a high KM DC5r say around 170,000kms or so (assuming the car has been properly serviced every 5000kms and the expected spirited driving from any typeR owner :P)

I have though about the prospect of driving it until it dies (as I don't think the car would be worth anything by the time it hits 250+ kms) then dropping a K24 into it, however that is a plan for the future, I think i will be keeping the car for 5yrs + on average I drive around 20,000kms a year, would the car make it to 270,000kms with proper maintenance?

Also what price should I be looking at for a 2002 - 2003 dc5r stock with around 100- 150kms and is there anything specific I should check for when inspecting the car.

Kind Regards,
Phil

[45SET]

How long is a peice of string?

With proper maintence it should go for well into the 200k km region.

[MWAKU]

also think about reselling, whos gunna buy a car thats clocked 270,000, ull be losing out heaps. just be on the watch and find one with better kms that will won't set u back so much when u resell.

[fillit]

Of course every car is different depending on the maintenance and how it is driven, but i would just like a general idea of how much milage people have been able to rack up on their DC5R without it having massive issues.

[45SET]

One guys has like 200k+ on DC5... still runs fine.

K-Series is a good engine.

[fillit]

I guess I need to base my decision on whether I am willing to drop a new engine in then or not, or unless I can get a bargain price for it.

My theory was that if say in 5years time the car would be worth 5- 6k I'd be more likely to keep it than let it go as it would not as much of a financial burden. However things do change :( decisions decisions.

[TheSaint]

my civic has done over 300 000 kms and it still runs the same as when we bought it at around the 100 000 km mark

it all depends on how it has been driven and looked after - and i find that hondas that are serviced on genuine/oem parts and fluids tend to last a hell of a lot longer than aftermarket stuff

generally - a car should do roughly 20 000 kms a year - but you have to factor in how its been driven and serviced

a car that has done 40-50k kms a year but looked after and serviced well will always be better than a car that does 10k kms a year but is thrashed and not serviced properly

honda engines are fairly easy to revive if they are a bit tired - and the Dc5 is on the newer end of the scale - so i wouldn't blink at anything up until 200k kms

theres such a phobia of high kms cars - they WILL go forever if they are:
A. made with quality parts in the first place - its a honda so +1
B. serviced and maintained well etc

a mate of mine has a sierra that has been around the clock (yes thats over a million kms, its been to darwin, around the NT and back again, in the family since 1990) with no major hicups - things have been replaced on a clockwork interval and its serviced every 5k kms

another mate has an EG that is coming up on 500k kms and he also keeps it in check and it runs like clockwork

[fillit]

thanks for the advice guys,

what would you say is a fair price for a DC5R with 178,000kms in fair condition. No mechanical faults, log book service, bit of wear and tear in interior but nothing major.

I know that it's very very subjective depending on the car, however what would the ball park figure be? As I don't want to come out of negotiating with a sore jaw

[Indie]

Damn, that's a big pile of kilometres...

[kingjumbo]

dude spend a bit more and buy one with >100kms

[r3ckless]

Test the car, view it in
Person. Would u rather. Acar that has say 150k klm but has been serviced at least once every 10k klm... Or
Would u rather a dc5r with only 50k klm but has never been serviced? Definitely
Look at his log
Book and check how often the owner has the services
Complwted. Myself personally, i
Folllow the log book servicing with a 5k oil filter and
Oil change in between. Same as my gf's dc5 and hers is a daily... Just on 150k klm and still performs great!

[dlai5552]

hey man, check your pm... I think you would like what I have to say. 178,000 is too friggin high, I wouldnt even get it tbh.

[Nuci]

My mate has a DC5R thats just gone 200 000. Ive driven DC5Rs with under 100 000 kms and my mates one drives just as smooth. Its not all about kms, its the type of life the car has had. Has it been modified, tracked, no. previous owners, service history, condition. These things mean more to me than kms. Kms are just good for resale because its the first thing, and sometimes the only thing, a new owner looks for. They dont tell you much about the car. If youre planning on keeping it and enjoying a DC5R for what it is, a great drivers car, then i wouldnt let kms be the be all and end all. If youre buying it with the intention of selling it again in a year, then maybe a low kms one will retain its value better. I see a DC5R with a few more kms as an opportunity to pick up a good deal, not something that would turn me away. Get the car thoroughly checked by a honda specialist mechanic, if he gives you the ok, then id seriously consider one as its an opportunity to save a few grand.

[Nepolian]

My mate has a DC5R thats just gone 200 000. Ive driven DC5Rs with under 100 000 kms and my mates one drives just as smooth. Its not all about kms, its the type of life the car has had. Has it been modified, tracked, no. previous owners, service history, condition. These things mean more to me than kms. Kms are just good for resale because its the first thing, and sometimes the only thing, a new owner looks for. They dont tell you much about the car. If youre planning on keeping it and enjoying a DC5R for what it is, a great drivers car, then i wouldnt let kms be the be all and end all. If youre buying it with the intention of selling it again in a year, then maybe a low kms one will retain its value better. I see a DC5R with a few more kms as an opportunity to pick up a good deal, not something that would turn me away. Get the car thoroughly checked by a honda specialist mechanic, if he gives you the ok, then id seriously consider one as its an opportunity to save a few grand.

^ Agreed

People put too much emphasis on modification and tracking! As most here know, I can confidently say that most guys who track their cars are generall professionals in terms of work, they appreciate their cars and look after them. The 'hacks' that dont look after their cars do go to the track or racetrack they do it street light to street lights and love the vtec at 8k in first gear every corner.

Now, would you honestly say, buy a 100k DC5 from a guy who occasionally tracks their car, maintains it properly and replaces used parts OR a 50k DC5 from some guy who got a loan too big to maintain, trashes it with their mates every night, vtec'n everywhere and then complains that he can't fix the thing and bodges it?

Just puttin it out there!

Need to overlook at the km's sometimes, have a good look at the car and most people can tell whether a car has been looked after or not. eg..tears and rips, ciggy smell etc

Hey end of the day its your money and you spend it the way you like.

FYI, not a K engine. But I have a Accord with and F22B and its done 350k, doesn't blow, tranny shifting good and has never broken down (touch wood).

[fillit]

thanks for the advice guys, inspected the vehicle today... gave him an offer of 11.5k which i scarcely think the car is worth and told him to call me back if he was interested.

Almost definitely walking away from this one and looking for a better example.

[levi R]

low baller lol

[fillit]

Unfortunately the car looked battered, thrashed, there was dirt in the engine bay, headlights were oxidised, side skirts were resprayed badly, and the front bumper doesn't align, missed about 30,000kms of services, recaros weren't in the best shape and rust prevailing in the boot soo badly that you can actually see the branding of the space saver tyre on the body LOL.

I know it's a low offer, but it's what i believe the car is worth, I'd be happy to pay a fair price for one in better condition. :)

[michaelz]

I think there's too much focus on KMs travelled in Aus. In this case sounds like the car hasn't been looked after but assuming you find one that has been with similar high Ks, I'd definitely consider it.

If you browse the US forums heaps of guys there clock up 200,000 miles on their DC2s or DC5s without issues and that's around 320,000 KMs. Also since their odometers reads in miles, most of them consider 150,000 miles reasonable and that's actually almost 250,000 KMs.

In the end it's just a number. It all depends on who's owned it, how well it's looked after and how it's been driven.

I'd rather buy a 200,000KM integra fully serviced from a mature owner than a 100,000KM integra owned by someone who cains the shit out of it but never changes the oil and still on the original timing belt / water pump etc.

[dlai5552]

^^^^ Umm lol.. Pretty sure integras use a timing chain not belt.

[Oz_Striker]

thanks for the advice guys, inspected the vehicle today... gave him an offer of 11.5k which i scarcely think the car is worth and told him to call me back if he was interested.

Almost definitely walking away from this one and looking for a better example.

I wouldn't have even made and offer for it, especially after what has been talked about in the previous posts in this thread. That car clearly sounds like it hasn't been looked after

[Indie]

^^^^ Umm lol.. Pretty sure integras use a timing chain not belt.VTEC-i engines were upgraded with chains in 2005. Every Integra before that had a timing belt.

[MWAKU]

is my euro 03 a chain or a belt ?

[Nuci]

My 02 DC5R has a timing chain...

[Nepolian]

VTEC-i engines were upgraded with chains in 2005. Every Integra before that had a timing belt.

Are you serious? Where are u getting your information from?? Subaru forums?? All K series use timing chains!

[Stephen_AUS]

VTEC-i engines were upgraded with chains in 2005. Every Integra before that had a timing belt.

WTF! What's VTEC-i? Plus wrong about chains in 2005, I own a 2003 Integra Type R and it has a timing chain.

[dlai5552]

pretty sure all type R's including the DC2 have timing chains. My DC5 2001 has a timing chain.

[MWAKU]

Sigh no. Dc2 uses a belt

[r3ckless]

Sigh no. Dc2 uses a belt

lol, i know what u mean! SIGHHHHh

[SuperJDM.]

VTEC-i engines were upgraded with chains in 2005. Every Integra before that had a timing belt.

lmfao @ vtec-i HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

and no mate they had timing chains on the K series before 05

[Stephen_AUS]

lmfao @ vtec-i HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

and no mate they had timing belts on the K series before 05

I believe all K series engines have timing chains. And all K series engines have been made after 2000. I will link to information if I have to.

[Nepolian]

Indie and super JDM are smoking from the place! The temple of VTECi !

[TheSaint]

B-series is belt
k-series is chain

and theres nothing wront with subarus ... =p

[SuperJDM.]

timing chains* sorry was laughing too hard while typing vtec-i