B16a vtir vs b18c2 vtir?

[BuiEG]

Hey guys I'm new to Honda scene I got an eg I wana do a swap soon...i want to know about the vtir integra b18c2 motors..are they better conversion to do then a b16a?
If so what are the price difference and difficulty level with the conversion? Compared to the b16a's
Thanks guys

[dc2r-0636]

Id pick a b18c2 over a b16a coZ its got 125kw and more torque then a b16. Very common engine conversion

[DC28OY]

b18c2 =)

[jdm18c]

yea man b18c2....buy mine for sale lol

[BuiEG]

Ok sweet seems like b18c2 I a winner then ...what's price value of them any way...I'm sure it's cheaper then type r motors right? By the way how much u selling your b18 for? Better start saving and Gona get extra cash from eofy will start doing a build thread

[meatball]

difficult of dropping in compared to the b16 is the same. just drop in and wire it up.
b18c2 for sure, but if u want- put a b16a gearbox onto the motor. short ratios.

c2's go for around 2.5-4k now days

[dougie_504]

I'd go B20VTEC with a B16A head. Otherwise I'd go B18C7 or JDM B18C. Would consider B16A or B18C2 a bit of a waste of time when you can pay just a bit more money and get much better results than what the B16A or B18C2 would yield.

[DC28OY]

i doubt its abit more for a b20vtec conversion / or b18c7 over the price of a c2 lol ... but yea if the OP has the funds then yes go for it =)

[GSi_PSi]

b18c2 but get b16a or type r gearbox as the b18c2 box makes it a nugget

[blastnpast]

I was having similar thoughts on engine swapping.

Ended up going with b16a2 due to the the price difference from
B18c2/c7

I figured from the money I would be saving from doing a cheaper swap I could spend on mods to get my b16a2 running well & hopefully quicker then b18c2 :D

[DC2-PWR]

difficult of dropping in compared to the b16 is the same. just drop in and wire it up.
b18c2 for sure, but if u want- put a b16a gearbox onto the motor. short ratios.

c2's go for around 2.5-4k now days

This boy talking from experiance :)

[BuiEG]

difficult of dropping in compared to the b16 is the same. just drop in and wire it up.
b18c2 for sure, but if u want- put a b16a gearbox onto the motor. short ratios.

c2's go for around 2.5-4k now days

Mate thanks heaps...guess I'm heading towards c2 with b16 gearbox and I assume they bolt right in...great help guys now Im just going to hopefully find a b18c2 motor and harness and I'll source out b16a gbox and other stuff that's needed..

[DC2-PWR]

Mate thanks heaps...guess I'm heading towards c2 with b16 gearbox and I assume they bolt right in...great help guys now Im just going to hopefully find a b18c2 motor and harness and I'll source out b16a gbox and other stuff that's needed..

If you can find an Integra Type R gearbox for 1.3 or 1.5k get that, better ratios but still majorly the same.

meatball's previous car EH9 had a B18C2 I/H/E with B16A gearbox, bro that car was of its nuts, well mainly because of the dude who built it :p,

good luck.

[jeremydawg]

b18 gearbox is fine, youd probably be spending an extra 1k for the b16 gearbox. I would only use b16 gearbox if you were doing a Hswap. Then it would be more worth while

If you looked around for a bit you should be able to find a jdm b18 for the same price as a b18c2, or maybe a tiny bit more. jdm b18 has higher compression ratio...more power output.

[string]

If Honda put the B16A ratios into the B18C box, the Type-R's performance would be far less impressive :D

If you have a bit more cash up front, get the ITR S80 box. You'll be kicking yourself down the line when you want that LSD.

The B18C box has the same 1-2 ratios as the non-VTECs. 3.23 first, 1.9 second. It's a big drop and it sucks. The VTEC boxes have a 2.105 second.*

*by memory, so I might be off.

[DC2-PWR]

If Honda put the B16A ratios into the B18C box, the Type-R's performance would be far less impressive :D

If you have a bit more cash up front, get the ITR S80 box. You'll be kicking yourself down the line when you want that LSD.

The B18C box has the same 1-2 ratios as the non-VTECs. 3.23 first, 1.9 second. It's a big drop and it sucks.

This is man knows it.

I love the itr gearbox on my B18C2, all gears don't drop before vtec and it climbs to top rpm quicker.

B16A gearbox is another alternative, only difference is I believe that the ITR gears/syncros are stronger built, so it can take abit of bashing.

[mugen_ctr]

How does the B16a2 head compare to B18c2 head? in terms of performance and flow, if its pretty much similar, than id say the only thing ur really paying for is the extra 200cc block

I do believe the B16a2 has a rougher power curve than B18, but the power comes on alot stronger once the Vtec is engaged, hence a louder induction noise.

[dougie_504]

I heard vaguely that the B16A head flows better (intake & exhaust), but don't really have any evidence or recollection of the resource...

[string]

The B18C2 head has a slightly smaller combustion chamber so for the same block you'll get a slight increase in compression.

If you're doing a B20VTEC you'd probably just get whatever is cheapest. If you're using the whole motor, you'd be crazy not to take a free 200cc. No replacement for displacement.

[DC28OY]

b18c2 but get b16a or type r gearbox as the b18c2 box makes it a nugget

yup this is soo truee :(

[Cartoon]

2.5-4k for a c2 :(

get a full c7 swap with everything including s80 LSD box for not much more than that

got one here if u want

[GSi_PSi]

I dunno where ppl get these rip off prices from ?. Maybe from expensive places. Lol for around 2grand you can get a damaged complete dc2 these days just have to know where to look

[jeremydawg]

even ebay has pretty cheap engines. for around 4-5k you can get a jdm type r package, tranny ecu etc.

[BuiEG]

Hey guys I sourced out a b18c vtir motor with approx 103kms I can have that with a b16a gearbox and wiring loom with ecu for $2000 is that a good deal?

[blabla]

http://hondaswap.com/engine-building/b16-vs-gsr-head-flow-67/

&

http://www.hondahookup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40001

[jeremydawg]

Hey guys I sourced out a b18c vtir motor with approx 103kms I can have that with a b16a gearbox and wiring loom with ecu for $2000 is that a good deal?

Where have you found it? is it a half cut? pretty damn good deal, youve got all you want for only 2k

[DC2-PWR]

You pay for what you get, thats all im going to say.

Good luck.

[civicboy84]

You pay for what you get, thats all im going to say.

Good luck.

true that... and B20vtec and B19c7 cost nothing anywhere near B16a....and if you are going to go B18c7, go B18CR....

[jeremydawg]

if you are going to go B18c7, go B18CR....

agreed, exactly what i said the last page

[Lerlo]

Just go b18cr man......

[dc2r-0636]

Take either a C7 or CR if you find one. Lol at ppl picking one ova the other.. Same engine

[dougie_504]

Take either a C7 or CR if you find one. Lol at ppl picking one ova the other.. Same engine

Agreed, I don't really see the big deal...

[civicboy84]

Take either a C7 or CR if you find one. Lol at ppl picking one ova the other.. Same engine

this isnt entirely tru CR has more kW

B18c7 140 kW; 187 hp) @ 8200 rpm
B18CR 156.6 ; @ 8000 rpm & 17.5 kg·m (172 N·m; 127 ft·lbf) @ 7500rpm (96 spec) 18.5 kg·m (181 N·m) @ 6200 rpm (98 spec)

[civicboy84]

starting with an extra 16kW is alot...if they cost the same I know which one id choose! :)

[BuiEG]

It's not a front cut..complete engine it self with no loom, no ecu and gbox for$1200 its a b18c2 off a 96 tetra vtir...so I asked how much for a b16a gbox, engine loom, and ecu...they told me they can do it for $2000 all up..they have a good rep for being top blokes..either way it's probably all I need to get the engine running but I need other stuff to aye I.e mounts shift links etc p.s would I need to upgrade brakes and suspension or is that optional

[V8KLLR]

OP are you planning to build internals in this engine? If you are then it doesnt matter which B18 you choose, as there isnt any structural advantages from one to the other, just the internals.

[GSi_PSi]

Where did you pull those figures from civicboy?
There is no such thing as a b18cR its just an abbreviation there is
JDM B18C TYPE R : 147kw
AUDM B18C7 : 141kw
I dunno where you for 156kw from lol that's almost a JDM K20A

[string]

Wikipedia fails again!

[jeremydawg]

looool. I wish it was 156kw.
There isnt much difference but if you could get a jdm one for same price why not.
Anyway, 2k a decent deal i reckon. Just gotta get the other shiz now. Mounts, shafts etc

[Premature Vtec]

is that b18c2 with b16a GB straight fit ?

[dc2r-0636]

this isnt entirely tru CR has more kW

B18c7 140 kW; 187 hp) @ 8200 rpm
B18CR 156.6 ; @ 8000 rpm & 17.5 kg·m (172 N·m; 127 ft·lbf) @ 7500rpm (96 spec) 18.5 kg·m (181 N·m) @ 6200 rpm (98 spec)

LOL 16kw difference. everything i was guna say is what gsipsi said :) good try tho

anddd the 6kw in difference comes from

- 4-1 header (although used to lower the RPM's needed to reach max torque)
- ECU tuning coz they have 100 octance or what eva it was

[meatball]

is that b18c2 with b16a GB straight fit ?

yup straight fit.

[u mad?]

this isnt entirely tru CR has more kW

B18c7 140 kW; 187 hp) @ 8200 rpm
B18CR 156.6 ; @ 8000 rpm & 17.5 kg·m (172 N·m; 127 ft·lbf) @ 7500rpm (96 spec) 18.5 kg·m (181 N·m) @ 6200 rpm (98 spec)
where did you find that bullshit info

edit- lol seems a few others have already called you out

[dougie_504]

LOL 16kw difference. everything i was guna say is what gsipsi said :) good try tho

anddd the 6kw in difference comes from

- 4-1 header (although used to lower the RPM's needed to reach max torque)
- ECU tuning coz they have 100 octance or what eva it was


Exactly.

If I wanted a B18C (not C2) I'd just buy whatever came first, JDM or AUDM (depending on my platform).

[civicboy84]

no the block of a jdm type r says b18cr, just like aussies say b18c7....see if I can find some pics...

the non jap bseries have numbers afyer them b18c1,2,3,4


jus like b18c5 is the american type R

[GSi_PSi]

stop spreading bullshit info buddy the jdm block doesnt have a letter R on it.

[dc2r-0636]

omg.. there is no R on the block. it just says B18C, then straight under it 7 or so numbers.

see even tho there is a 2 there it doesnt make it a audm vtir engine. IF the 2 was staight after the C then yeh, but its below it, So its JDM

http://my.prostreetonline.com/photos/data/500/EngineNumber.jpg

[egb16b]

where are you getting a 18c2 with 16a box for 2k??? if you dont mind me asking..

[civicboy84]

ok then apologies for the misunderstanding so you are saying I could buy a JDM BLACK TOP B18C and whack a red rocker cover on it and call it a type R and no one would be the wiser....how do u tell the diff then..????????????????????????????????????????????

I have a non type R B18 and it says 'B18C'

[civicboy84]

where are you getting a 18c2 with 16a box for 2k??? if you dont mind me asking..

Yeah agreed...I think that price is realistic without all the wiring etc? halfcut...no way in helll

[dc2r-0636]

you tell the diff by the intake manifold. lsd in the gearbox, rev limit

[meatball]

the " black top japspec engine" has a snail looking type intake manifold. easily spotted out amongst the rest.

[Glocker]

Just check the engine number to see if it's genuine type R or an SIR.

[civicboy84]

Just check the engine number to see if it's genuine type R or an SIR.
the non type r and type r have the exact same engine number as stated above ;)

[dc2r-0636]

type r engine should print PR3 on the head (on top of the headers near ps bracket)
JDM B18C(SiR) should print p72 on it

[civicboy84]

type r engine should print PR3 on the head (on top of the headers near ps bracket)
JDM B18C(SiR) should print p72 on it

finally something definative awesome!

[CivicEGSI]

finally something definative awesome!

Civicboy, empty inbox pls

[infurNOS]

To help ID Type R Head/engine:

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2565070


The only sure fire way to determine if the head is actually an ITR head is the green paint behind the distributor, which is the paint they slab on there in the factory when they select the best looking ones to go out for machining, and the minor portwork on the intake ports, and larger intake valves.