Finally...KPRO in my 06 CL9!!

[wuism]

Here is an alternative to K-tuned dual harness setup!

Thanks to Joel at Driven Performance Singapore for the harness and the after sales support!
Details of harness are here...
http://www.drivencrazy.com.sg/index.php/archives/52

Here are a couple of pics
Harness plugged in
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6065/004mse.jpg

kpro hidden under the carpet!
http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/808/007hk.jpg

couple of notes
No cruise control
No VSA
Can use stock o2 sensor but can't see a/f ratio
Idles fine and no issues so far.
Very easy to install, just locate stock ECU, unplug from stock and plug into harness and your away!

[sodaz]

Very interesting, looking forward to seeing some figures when it's tuned.

[Fredoops]

Congrats.

WOW, thats a lot wiring!

Just got 2 questions cause I'm planning on ECU mod at the moment:
How could you lose the Cruise control and VSA? and how does that compared to buying a Acura TSX ECU to be Hondata flash'd in the states and plug it into the Euro (and have immobiliser re-done by the dealer)?

[wuism]

Well cruise control is a nice to have thing.... For me anyway.... VSA, not so sure yet as it has never kicked in for me before...

As for a reflash, depends what mods u have and whether u want the flexibility of changing parts and retuning... Reflash is a bit harder, but with the kpro, can just retune straight up...

Current power figure at the hubs is 192hp with stock ecu...

[marquee]

The big question on my mind is price how does it compare to the loom from ktuned

[wuism]

Price is slightly cheaper than k tuned... Pm me if you would like more details...

[marquee]

Did you replace the stock engine light or mount it elsewhere or just left it?

I understand the benifits of KPRO besides losing VSA and cruise control can deal without them.

If i choose not to have it will i be able to just plug in the old ecu and remove the plug and plug it back in.

I'm more looking at the return back to stock option later down the track. Just wondering if its just worth getting a reflash dont think ill be doing much mods then I/H/E.

[wuism]

Joel designed the harness to be completely reversible....Yes... Revert back to stock requires to remove harness and whatever mods to remove the check light....

Check light has not been corrected yet,,, will do a write up on that afterwards....

[lukits01]

Well cruise control is a nice to have thing.... For me anyway.... VSA, not so sure yet as it has never kicked in for me before...

As for a reflash, depends what mods u have and whether u want the flexibility of changing parts and retuning... Reflash is a bit harder, but with the kpro, can just retune straight up...

Current power figure at the hubs is 192hp with stock ecu...

Wow nice numbers dude

[h17am]

WOW... 192HP!... that's power man...

[vteccoupe]

makes mre than dc5r w toda header + gruppe m + j's exos, daymnn thats POWER!

[tron07]

with this thing, if you got into a accident will insurance company deny payout as you mess with/remove the VSA and all?

[Symphorced]

with this thing, if you got into a accident will insurance company deny payout as you mess with/remove the VSA and all?


How would they know?

[bennjamin]

How would they know?

1. posting on this website is as of evidence. Insurance compaines , police etc browse and are members of this site you know !
2. IF they intend to payout , they would do their research beforehand to avoid paying out...wouldn't they ?

[Fredoops]

with this thing, if you got into a accident will insurance company deny payout as you mess with/remove the VSA and all?

VSA is able to be turned off Manually.....

Unless the mod has a major part in directly causing the accident (ie: hydrolock from a CAI, damage to underbody because of excessive lowering). Then they can't really deny the claim.

VSA is not mandatory to mode states in Australia, an theres no law saying you HAVE to have stability control running all the time.

[shmivic]

^ 9 times out of 10 the vsa unit would be ruined in a write-off accident.

Doubt they could prove it.. or would even bother to try to.

[h17am]

but wuism wouldn't get into accident anyway... he's too pro... PRO RACER that is...

[marquee]

to be sure rip it out. if your car is that damaged you cant get the ECU out id be more worried about living

[MingZai]

wuisim just wondering, how much was this?

[wuism]

i think it was under 1800 aud including harness and ecu.....

dyno sheet attached...

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6638/cl9jt.jpg

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3716/canoneos5dmarkiiimg4376.jpg

[Fredoops]

Those power an torque curves is a Hondata carbon copy.

[wuism]

Those power an torque curves is a Hondata carbon copy.

I don't get it?

[Fredoops]

the power and torque curve looks like the Hondata reflash, thats all

[jzx_andy]

+60HP gain ATW? just from plugging in the ecu and getting a tune?

what other performance mods have you done?

How much did all of this cost you?

[MingZai]

He said costs under 1800 and I agree with fredoops... Looks like the Hondata Reflash

[Fredoops]

+60HP gain ATW? just from plugging in the ecu and getting a tune?

what other performance mods have you done?

How much did all of this cost you?

Just from the outside I can see at least light alloy wheels (you'd be suprised how much difference that makes) and exhaust.

[marquee]

Alloy wheels make a difference when getting a tune I think not? Mods list would be nice

[vteccoupe]

K20 HEAD
40deg VTC
TODA C CAMS+VALVESPRINGS
RRC INTAKE
GRUPPEM
TODA HEADER + J'S 70RR EXHAUST

10k up there :D

60hp with just hondata plugin ? i doubt it. haha

[Fredoops]

Alloy wheels make a difference when getting a tune I think not? Mods list would be nice
Rotational mass vs Static mass
1:10 ratio

[marquee]

Ah fair enough I just assumed was a hubcentric dyno.

Is the k20 head worth it just to change the degrees what other benefits does it provide

[wuism]

Ok.. Is it hub dyno..

It is rrc head of fd2r or fn2r.... N intake manifold is rsp off fn2...

Don't forget I changed the gear ratios as well which alters power....

[MingZai]

http://www.hondata.com/images/dynotsx-stock-vs-reflash.gif
Hondata gains... hmmm I really want hondata.. but don't know how it's going to work...

[wuism]

What do u mean u don't know how it's gonna work?

[MingZai]

Only 1 person I know of atm from Iceland has his EUDM Accord Euro with the TSX 04 Hondata Reflash.

I don't know how it's going to work as I don't know how the TSX ECU is going to run with my car.

[marquee]

It will work fine a guy from Darwin had it done

[MingZai]

do you have a name? or ozhonda name? I am going to supercharge in the future and wondering is it better to run dual ecu with supercharge or 1 ecu

[marquee]

Nah his on tsxclub though.... duel ecu the way to go as you can tune it and you need to send a tax ecu to comptech to flash the ecu who send it to hondata this guy in Darwin has ct surcharge kpro jtune exhaust and headers and injen Cai and pulls about 200kw in Darwin in summer should relate to about 220 in southern winter temps

[MingZai]

tax ecu? I'll register at TSX club then... is it 200kw at wheel?

[marquee]

Tsx ecu sorry

[MingZai]

oh alright, do you know if the 200 is at wheel or flywheel?

[marquee]

Wheel

[MingZai]

dayum sooo are you going to get the ecu reflash? or run dual ecu with k-pro

[jzx_andy]

nice work, i am quite interested to see what gains could be achieved with a stock engine + kpro and tune... or at least with minor I/H/E mods + kpro/tune

[wuism]

Yeh, didn't would have been good to see the improvements with the cams n rsp but time and money was a factor

[marquee]

I'll do it for donations lol... gotta wait a bit should be able to let you know soon though

[vteccoupe]

honestly changing gear ratios wld be more financially feasible as compared to throwing money into NA motor.

[Fredoops]

honestly changing gear ratios wld be more financially feasible as compared to throwing money into NA motor.

We're all here looking at mild mods, like IHE + Reflash and maybe pulleys. CL9's too nose heavy (and just plain heavy) for a true track weapon

[shmivic]

^ weak!
Nothing a grinder and a hole saw can't fix.

Who says any work done on any car is for track? What's wrong with having a quick daily?

[Adrian128]

What's wrong with having a quick daily?

If you wanted a quick daily why did you buy an Accord Euro? :)

[Fredoops]

If you wanted a quick daily why did you buy an Accord Euro? :)

Vtec? comfortable? after market tuning support? relatively reliable etc etc :-)


^ weak!
Nothing a grinder and a hole saw can't fix.

Who says any work done on any car is for track? What's wrong with having a quick daily?

*Insert picture of Jeremy Clarkson holding an angle grinder*

[Adrian128]

Vtec? comfortable? after market tuning support? relatively reliable etc etc

Aside from the VTEC, those words can also be used to describe a Mazda 3 MPS, which is much quicker and more comfortable than my wife's CU2, IMO. I'm not giving shit on Hondas (we have 2), but I guess I just don't get why a lot of people buy cars (not just Hondas) and then spend a lot of $$$ trying to turn it into something it's not, but that's just me. Mods for aesthetic reasons are different though..haha

[shmivic]

FYI mines not a daily and who gives a fk about Jeremy clarkson?

Each to there own, feel pity for the people who can't afford to modify a car properly.

Which seems to be 80% of the people on here

[Adrian128]

Each to there own, feel pity for the people who can't afford to modify a car properly.

Dodgy mods? That's a can of worms right there.. haha

[Fredoops]

Aside from the VTEC, those words can also be used to describe a Mazda 3 MPS, which is much quicker and more comfortable than my wife's CU2, IMO. I'm not giving shit on Hondas (we have 2), but I guess I just don't get why a lot of people buy cars (not just Hondas) and then spend a lot of $$$ trying to turn it into something it's not, but that's just me. Mods for aesthetic reasons are different though..haha

I guess it's the "because you can" and the "why not" factor.

[Adrian128]

I guess it's the "because you can" and the "why not" factor.

True... I guess I'm just getting old... :)

[marquee]

I mod my car because I want too I couldn't care less about going fast or if its a comfortable I've got that car and for 15k probably the best car on the market for the price I will mod all my cars whether its my old pos Toyota corolla or my now accord euro or my next car my gf spends money on clothes I spend money on my car

[Fredoops]

I mod my car because I want too I couldn't care less about going fast or if its a comfortable I've got that car and for 15k probably the best car on the market for the price I will mod all my cars whether its my old pos Toyota corolla or my now accord euro or my next car my gf spends money on clothes I spend money on my car

Exactly, people modify for different reasons. You know a good portion the customers in US get Hondata for driveability instead of performance since it eliminated the electronic throttle lag, and help city driving.

[Adrian128]

I mod my car because I want too I couldn't care less about going fast or if its a comfortable I've got that car and for 15k probably the best car on the market for the price I will mod all my cars whether its my old pos Toyota corolla or my now accord euro or my next car my gf spends money on clothes I spend money on my car

You didn't get the point...

[MingZai]

All my mates tell me to sell my Euro to get a 'faster car' or a car more worth for modding... I choose to mod the Euro because I want it to be unique and everything.

[vteccoupe]

^ weak!
Nothing a grinder and a hole saw can't fix.

Who says any work done on any car is for track? What's wrong with having a quick daily?

haha simon nice reply!

[vteccoupe]

haha euro is nt unique in any ways i think..its so common on the street its not funny.

but every1 has different goals

wuism - wanna turn his euro into track weapon
shmivic - daily ride with some poke in it

[MingZai]

unique as in once it's modded.. it's unique compare to the other euros in australia.

my goal is to make it a track / street weapon :) to eat up GTI's and Integras

[vteccoupe]

get wuism to enlighten u on y he chose a CL9.

he used to have a dc5r that does respectable laptimes on the track.

reasons he gave me
1. double wishbone
2. k24 potential
3. he just got too much money to throw around

but i honestly think with the build he got on his CL9, it might b a surprise on e track, who knw?

[vteccoupe]

unique as in once it's modded.. it's unique compare to the other euros in australia.

my goal is to make it a track / street weapon :) to eat up GTI's and Integras

then u need to set aside 20k and do it up like wuism

10-15k power mods

5k handling mods and ur good to go chop those gtis

[shmivic]

I certainly think it will be a pretty stout track package with the ability to be driven there comfortably.

[vteccoupe]

true but them 70RR exos is crazy loud

[MingZai]

Lmao well if you have a look at my "Carly Build List"
I'm going to go for the basics first:
Weapon R Header + Test Pipe
Skunk 2 Exhaust (If I can source the bloody thing)
Hi-Flow Cat
IF I'm still convinced to mod my euro
Then most likely manual conversion (don't tell me to sell and purchase a manual)
While the engine is out (doing a manual engine swap) going to work on a k24/k20 hybrid with higher displacement ect
Then possibly Hondata + Dual ECU + Supercharger

[wuism]

70rr with silencer is like stock...

Lol....

[vteccoupe]

70rr with silencer is like stock...

Lol....

u must be DEAF!

[wuism]

Lmao well if you have a look at my "Carly Build List"
I'm going to go for the basics first:
Weapon R Header + Test Pipe
Skunk 2 Exhaust (If I can source the bloody thing)
Hi-Flow Cat
IF I'm still convinced to mod my euro
Then most likely manual conversion (don't tell me to sell and purchase a manual)
While the engine is out (doing a manual engine swap) going to work on a k24/k20 hybrid with higher displacement ect
Then possibly Hondata + Dual ECU + Supercharger

Without kpro, even Toda header, 70rr, gruppe m makes u think it's not worth it..... Seriously 5800 vtec xover, 7000k rpm limit.... Extremely long 2nd..... N a heavy car sucks bigtime...

[wuism]

Cb I said with silencer!

Mahai!

[shmivic]

BAH!! 70RR isn't loud! It's just right IMO ;)

Ming - your going to need very deep pockets.

[wuism]

Ming - your going to need very deep pockets.

^ agree to that.....

[MingZai]

lmao yeah I know sadly :(
what is 70RR??
Well the VTEC crossover is 6k and with reflash it can be lowered to 5k :)

Oh well I guess time to move on if I really cbb modding it after the exhaust + headers haha.

Next car to play with... 135i!

[wuism]

Js racing 70rr exhaust....

[aaronng]

unique as in once it's modded.. it's unique compare to the other euros in australia.

my goal is to make it a track / street weapon :) to eat up GTI's and Integras
No problem keeping up with the GTI, but in the corners it will corner quicker than you. Integras on the other hand, if it is a Type R, you have very little hope especially if you are using street tyres on the track. :(

[na]

stop wasting time and buy a gti or 135i...
muahaha...

[h17am]

sequinshaaa... crutchress... piu piuuuu.... ok.... NUMBAAA WANNNNNN....

[MingZai]

ACCORD EURO > 135i :p

[shmivic]

sequinshaaa... crutchress... piu piuuuu.... ok.... NUMBAAA WANNNNNN....

^ hey there.. ^nice car.... ^sex, sexx!.. ^ok.. ^nicemealandiwontcallagain?

[shmivic]

Yeah i've had three hours sleep lol

[na]

sequinshaaa... crutchress... piu piuuuu.... ok.... NUMBAAA WANNNNNN....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0aTvVuXxH4
listen on 3:05

[Banana_hammock]

OMG. I am going to import an NSX hopefully sometime soon :)

[shmivic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0aTvVuXxH4
listen on 3:05

Lol! love the fingers all around the face hahaha!

[k24]

nice read - from start to end page - I am also building my Euro at the moment, but a dilemma of selling it and buying a DC5R,
After reading this thread realized that more than 65% of people don't believe that CL9 will be fast/track weapon and who ever
will mod one needs to have a lot of $$$$$$

[wuism]

dc5r is a good base to start with...
first speedo will work correctly no matter what u do with the gears
hondata kpro is pnp
throttle cable...
lighter.....
lot of aftermarket parts....

but the steering arm/suspension geometry is hard to correct if lowering your car.... u can try tie rods, inverted tie rods etc.. but not easy to get right...... also the engine mounts are kinda weak so you need to beef them up to protect your header etc etc....... then maybe it starts to get uncomfortable with vibrations....... lol

[k24]

yeh im in the dilemma of selling or keeping my cl9 - well I started modding it with handling good and e/h, now in the list is drive-train and ecu
well see which one comes first, if the DC5 i wanted get sold before selling my car, im keeping my cl9 then

[Phorist]

sequinshaaa... crutchress... piu piuuuu.... ok.... NUMBAAA WANNNNNN....

haha just watched that video again

[Fredoops]

From what I heard dc5r suspension is a bitch to get right, in comparison cl9's full indie suspension is much easier to deal with.

Having said that it is a lighter vehicle...

[aaronng]

From what I heard dc5r suspension is a bitch to get right, in comparison cl9's full indie suspension is much easier to deal with.

Having said that it is a lighter vehicle...

This is only if you go with extreme configurations. Just slap on coilovers on a DC5R at stock height or down to 1.5" lowered and it will run rings around a CL9 with coilovers. It is the sad truth. :(

Even a DC2R pulls away easily on track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlBnevchfGg

[wuism]

Well I have my dc5r time to beat.... See what this cl9 can do in terms of laptime...

[Fredoops]

Well I have my dc5r time to beat.... See what this cl9 can do in terms of laptime...

Well the cl9 doesn't have LSD... That's a second right there, but you can pop a dc5r LSD into a cl9 tho.
And you gonna need a lot of carbonfibre... Cause the euro needs extreme diet to catch the teg

[wuism]

LSD installed....

[Fredoops]

LSD installed....
in the CL9 or the DC5?

[wuism]

CL9...

Car weighs 1320kg with 3/4 tank of fuel....... No driver...

Full interior as well btw...

My dc5r with 1/2 tank n full interior was 1140kg....

[marquee]

New bonnet our bonnet weighs a tonne I reckon

[na]

bonnet should save 7kg...

[marquee]

actually just remove all body parts they are all heavy and seats who needs them anyway euro a family car pfft lol

[wuism]

Driver and passenger seats are recaro spg already...

[marquee]

how did u get it insured or is it not insured?

[Banana_hammock]

It's illegal not to have insurance for a road car. Just Car Insurance offer a great plan for people with modded cars: Unlimited legal mods

[ricerockets]

It's illegal not to have insurance for a road car. Just Car Insurance offer a great plan for people with modded cars: Unlimited legal mods

but thats legal mods, removing an airbagged seat and replacing with a non airbag seat would be classified as a illegal mod

[Banana_hammock]

Touche. But what's not noticeable and no one knows about: no one will get hurt

[shmivic]

Above posts seem to not quite get the point here.

Williams car is a track car,
If I'm not mistaken, all insurance is void the moment any vehicle rolls onto any kind of race track. Be it the 1320ft or circuit racing. You sign a waver when you sign up.

Only regulations he has to comply with in this catergory is the motorsport class he races in.

The unlimited insurance policies are great too, I have another car with has barely seen daylight in 3 years (because it's rare and worth good $$$). It's fully insured on a very flexible plan. Great piece of mind for anyone.

[marquee]

Car totalled goes to a breakers you don't get it back no time to pull out seats... screwed how would dc5r seats go in relation to plugging in the airbag cables

[ricerockets]

dc5r seats have airbags? fn2r seats should be fine since they have airbags in them

[shmivic]

FN2R seats are fine, I have a set for my CL9 already fitted out with euro electric rails and heaters.
No airbag lights.
As said before, waiting on $$ + motivation to get them done in leather before i fit them full time.

[marquee]

Plugs exactly the same ?

[marquee]

And audm dc5r has them

[wuism]

Audm dc5r has airbags in seats? No....

Audm dc5s has air bags in seats? Think so?

[ricerockets]

from what google has told me so far, even the dc5s does not have seats with airbags

[marquee]

Yer I read it wrong its fn2r

[shmivic]

DC5S/DC5R AUD/JDM = no airbag's


FN2R seats required a simple re-pinning

[kitbkk]

You lucky man!
I got the kpro too in my cl9 though car hasn't been running since August last year. :(
I previously had emanage ultimate, but with the supercharger, it couldn't eliminate signals going to the knock sensor.
Then I decided to get the kpro and the harness from Joel since end of last year, then got it fitted in April.
Can I ask are you still running DBW?
With my set up I cannot run DBW as it will be too complicated as once the ecu sees boost, it will send signals too stock ecu which is controlling the TB. I got skunk2 74mm TB sitting in the engine bay and cable already just waiting for the adaptor plate to come back from the machine shop. Joel did a great job on the harness. However it would have been better if it came in proper sleeves not some lose wires IMO.

[wuism]

U mean make it add a sleeve to wrap all the cables up like the k-tuned one?

Still running DBW for now but will change to cable later...

Who is going to mod ur harness for cable throttle? Joel I assume?

Tell Joel about the dbw issue? I'm sure he has done euro s/c in singapore before with dbw?

[kitbkk]

U mean make it add a sleeve to wrap all the cables up like the k-tuned one?

Still running DBW for now but will change to cable later...

Who is going to mod ur harness for cable throttle? Joel I assume?

Tell Joel about the dbw issue? I'm sure he has done euro s/c in singapore before with dbw?
Yeah sleeved wrap would look cleaner. Ray from ART Melbourne has already altered like 3-4 cables from the harness to make it able to run cable TB. What I understand is the stock ECU won't have anything to do with the motor anymore. It only controls a/c, and other accessories. I asked him about it but I think mostly in Singapore supercharged accord euro's are cl7's.

[h17am]

i heard this car just ran some blistering lap times around barbagallo raceway...

[G3NX]

Some say....it was even on the long track

[shmivic]

Kitbkk -- you have pm.

[shmivic]

i heard this car just ran some blistering lap times around barbagallo raceway...



Some say....it was even on the long track


Facebook reveals ALL!

[vteccoupe]

track fn2r cant catch this red euro on uphills at barbs, and just 0.5secs off track fn2r with semis *note Xmas theme euro running street tyres and tein superstreet coils*

DOHC!

[h17am]

omg! for about $1300 you can get BC (not buddyclub) coilovers delivered to your door! why bother with tein???

[vteccoupe]

BC= Best Cornering

[MingZai]

lmao a bit off topic guys :P but so you guys would go BC over buddy club?

[marquee]

My mate has bc in his evo and he loves them

[wuism]

Bon chan coilovers? Serious?

[lukits01]

Bon chan coilovers? Serious?

it's BOR-CHUANN, OK?!

[k24]

BC is good - I have them with my Euro before - exccellent coils for $$$$$ with 12 months warranty

[aaronng]

it's BOR-CHUANN, OK?!

I thought it meant Boh Chap. :p

I'd seriously take Tein over BC. Eventhough Tein is not good compared to proper racing coilovers.

BC coilovers after going through an uneven surface (as descibed by the owner). Seriously, the rim should dent or buckle before the coilovers break, not the other way round.

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz98/Listers/photo-3.jpg


BC should be similar to D2. And when you push D2 on the track in a race car, you get this:

http://jamalb.net/gallery/d/6319-1/broken+D2.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1396/opentrackdayaaron060ys8.jpg

[h17am]

my mate has BC in his civic... it's pretty sh1t. wait... did i say "pretty"? I meant REALLLLYYY...
but hey its cheap and can go really low... so it must be good.
cos dumped cars are t3h s3x... and makes a car handle awesome.

[vteccoupe]

lol COX!

[lukits01]

I thought it meant Boh Chap. :p

BC coilovers after going through an uneven surface (as descibed by the owner). Seriously, the rim should dent or buckle before the coilovers break, not the other way round.


that's a safety feature, mate. If the rims break, you'll lose control of the car, but when shocks break, you're riding on springs for epic LOLs

[cheapdouchebag]

in most cases i read somewhere on heeltoe auto where they have a fantastic build thread on their cl9, most of the coilover suspension kits offered on the market arent adequate enough for the track. but for street they are superb! my friend has bc's in his euro and they provide actually a pretty good ride and speed in corners has greatly improved.

can someone tell me if im wrong or right?

[Fredoops]

Correct, pure racing suspension will cost well over $2k, and you'll likely want chassis reinforcements ontop of that...

[h17am]

Wrong... pure racing suspension? What's a pure racing suspension? Suspension that can't be used on the street???
Suspension is suspension. Whether you use it for racing or not, it's still suspension.
There's only good suspension or bad suspension. Nothing else.

There's too much emphasis on lowering the car to make it look good. People just want to dump it so it looks fulli sik, t3h s3x and omg thats ultra low bro! ur a mad ki3nt, etc etc.
This is where the target market for cheap coilovers are. Look at the photos above and see what cheap coilovers are like. You might be lucky and never have anything like that happen to you, but I'm sure you wouldn't want to be in the car when it does happen.

Sure "you can get BC coilovers (not Buddy Club) delivered to your door for $1300", but is that really $1300 of your money well spent? I'd rather get a set of koni yellows and springs instead of that fulli sik coilovers which go reallllly mad low brah.

[Fredoops]

Wrong... pure racing suspension? What's a pure racing suspension? Suspension that can't be used on the street???
Suspension is suspension. Whether you use it for racing or not, it's still suspension.
There's only good suspension or bad suspension. Nothing else.

There's too much emphasis on lowering the car to make it look good. People just want to dump it so it looks fulli sik, t3h s3x and omg thats ultra low bro! ur a mad ki3nt, etc etc.
This is where the target market for cheap coilovers are. Look at the photos above and see what cheap coilovers are like. You might be lucky and never have anything like that happen to you, but I'm sure you wouldn't want to be in the car when it does happen.

Sure "you can get BC coilovers (not Buddy Club) delivered to your door for $1300", but is that really $1300 of your money well spent? I'd rather get a set of koni yellows and springs instead of that fulli sik coilovers which go reallllly mad low brah.

I understand what you mean mate, but good or bad suspension depends on the environment or situation it's used in.
And it's a personal preference of soft vs hard as well.

I can see why you think BC is not money well spent for lowering. But on the other hand, the majority of Coilovers sold don't drop more than 1.5inch, which is not a whole lot if you think about it,and not for a whole lot more than shock/springs combo cost wise. I know there's idiots around but they arent the majority .

By "pure racing" I meant competition products like this, with infinite adjust ability
http://www.exe-tc.co.uk/circuit/technical
or this
http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/main.asp?sitepages=Intrax%20Racing%20Suspension

[h17am]

bad suspension would be... BC (not Buddy Club)... The environment or situation would be anywhere the vehicle is moving...
good or bad is absolute, are BC's good? no, not at all, not by a long shot, a really long shot.

why would you need to drop more than 1.5"? That's a massive drop. How does the car handle after such a massive drop?!?!?!
not only is it super danger, it will probably make your car handle like poop.

oh and I know what you mean by racing coilovers, pure overkill if you just drive to coles and back.
but they'd do such an excellent excellent job when you drive down to the shops.
and those ones you listed, you wont get the whole set for $2k. you'll get 1 corner.

[shmivic]

and those ones you listed, you wont get the whole set for $2k. you'll get 1 corner.

+1000 on that,

I used to have Tanabe GF (8k/4k) when car was a daily, but they started to fail.
Replaced them with Spoon full-spec damper (12k/8k) and cannot even begin to compare them.

You get what you pay for.

FYI regarding full race suspension, My brother in law's wrx suspension (coilover's only) cost him $13k .

[h17am]

Bargain! Was it reigers or proflex?
I saw these reigers for sale at 15000 euros. Holy smoke...

R u using the spoon coilovers for the euro Simon?

[ricerockets]

the z-tune r34 supposedly uses $20k worth of sachs coils

[shmivic]

Bargain! Was it reigers or proflex?

R u using the spoon coilovers for the euro Simon?


I'd have to check what he's got, can't remember the make but they are monster's

Yep i've had the Spoon's for 2-3 months now (pn: 51600-CL7-G20).
Figured since all my other suspension bits are spoon that only natural to have the c/over to suit.

[lukits01]

I'll put it this way to get people thinking, say these cheapie coilover cost $1300
take away shipping and profit margins you get maybe a $1000 coilover? so thats $250 per corner
breakdown all the exterior stuff and how much that would probably cost
a really good spring cost about $100, but I seriously doubt these would be good springs, so say the springs cost $50
that leaves $200 for the actual shock,
shiny anodized tops with spherical bearing say $75
anodized spring seats and locks $25
mounting brackets and machining a threaded shock body $25
so you're left with $75 per shock for "precision" engineered pistons, fluid, valves, & adjusters

in contrast a Koni Shock absorber for $250 what's spent on the exterior? simple non threaded steel shock body
no spring or spring seats, or shiny tops, hell, you even have to insert it to your own mounting brackets!
wouldn't you prefer all that money be spent on the internals where it counts?
I know what I'd buy if I needed suspension on a budget.

and I get to proudly wear this sticker:
http://www.koni.com/typo3temp/pics/e4799e1f3a.jpg
PRICELESS!

[Adrian128]

Unfortunately.. and it's a very sad (and dangerous) fact... a lot of people don't have a clue when it comes to properly modifying suspension systems.. hardly anyone thinks of what they are doing to the other components of the car.. it's not called a "system" for nothing..

[h17am]

As long as it can lower the car until it's scraping on its oil pan, it's awesome...

oh and sen, you wish you can display that sticker... this one is good enough for you.
http://www.kw-suspensions.eu/images/content/competition_image_02.jpg

[marquee]

I'll put it this way to get people thinking, say these cheapie coilover cost $1300
take away shipping and profit margins you get maybe a $1000 coilover? so thats $250 per corner
breakdown all the exterior stuff and how much that would probably cost
a really good spring cost about $100, but I seriously doubt these would be good springs, so say the springs cost $50
that leaves $200 for the actual shock,
shiny anodized tops with spherical bearing say $75
anodized spring seats and locks $25
mounting brackets and machining a threaded shock body $25
so you're left with $75 per shock for "precision" engineered pistons, fluid, valves, & adjusters

in contrast a Koni Shock absorber for $250 what's spent on the exterior? simple non threaded steel shock body
no spring or spring seats, or shiny tops, hell, you even have to insert it to your own mounting brackets!
wouldn't you prefer all that money be spent on the internals where it counts?
I know what I'd buy if I needed suspension on a budget.

and I get to proudly wear this sticker:
http://www.koni.com/typo3temp/pics/e4799e1f3a.jpg
PRICELESS!

I agree...... everyone here agrees eibach is a high quality spring and konis are a high quality shock why would you not spend less and get more