Headers/Manifold

[CAUSHN]

Hi guys,

Just wanting a lil help....wanted to know if anyone could help me out in what brand headers/Manifold is best suited for a 93 H22A engine???????????

[Jccck]

Bisimoto undoubtedly make 'the' best.. But it's at a big cost.

DC/Megan/eBay/whoever else.. Make 4-2-1 Header+Downpipes that aren't half bad! Obviously nothing like the 20+ whp gain on the Bisimoto Header, but it's still a nice sound upgrade.
Just a note with the DC/Megan/whoever else.. They are NO better than the eBay ripoffs. Only difference is the eBay ones have poor quality control, you 'might' get a dud whereas the brand named ones rarely have faults.. Exact same design however.. (I've abused an eBay 4-2-1 Header on my F22A for 18 months, it's been so hot it's gone white, blue and then purple! No let-downs.. I got it for $80 shipped from the USA, quality welds and the stainless steel has a decent wall thickness)

Pacemaker make a set for the H22A iirc, ask your local Exhaust shop.
On the subject of Exhaust shops! Some of the better ones can make up 'custom' Headers for you! Usually at a good price, and you can have some say in pipe diameters, collector style, etc.

[CAUSHN]

Ive heard of OBX thrown around but not much more.

What are the RMF or Tri-Y which seem to be 2.5" like? any info on those ones?

[Jccck]

Ive heard of OBX thrown around but not much more.

What are the RMF or Tri-Y which seem to be 2.5" like? any info on those ones?

OBX are in the same league as the DC/Megan.. Just an eBay header with a brandname on it.
RMF i don't know, but Tri-Y is as above.

Get the eBay one, if it cracks.. Weld it up.. Or buy another, or two more! And it'll still be cheaper than any of those named ones.. With all of the same potential

[90LAN]

fujitsubo or mugen headers

[Jccck]

fujitsubo or mugen headers

I'm not sure of piping sizes, but the design is the same as the eBay ones. Lol.

[dougie_504]

No dude, other way around. Ebay headers are the same design as Mugen/Fujitsubo. However their craftsmanship is nowhere near as competent due to the complete lack of R&D and probably only passable industrial skill. I'm sure the Fujitsubo and Mugen examples will be very well sized and perfectly shaped to optimise performance.

Sometimes you will get lucky though...so go for your Ebay junk.

[hasto2770]

RMF's are the bomb look crazy in the narrow style and gave me some damn good gains

[90LAN]

mite look the same but materials used and internal design will alwaysbe different

but yes ebay copies are the best you can buy ozhonda knows this

[Jccck]

No dude, other way around. Ebay headers are the same design as Mugen/Fujitsubo. However their craftsmanship is nowhere near as competent due to the complete lack of R&D and probably only passable industrial skill. I'm sure the Fujitsubo and Mugen examples will be very well sized and perfectly shaped to optimise performance.

Sometimes you will get lucky though...so go for your Ebay junk.

Seeing as they're no longer on the car, maybe i'll cut them open and post a picture so we have proof of how we'll the collector is designed? Yes?
The welds suggest that there is more than 'passable' skill level involved.. They're flawless.


mite look the same but materials used and internal design will alwaysbe different

but yes ebay copies are the best you can buy ozhonda knows this

Why spend 4x the amount on a brandname, that doesn't do anything the lucky ebay replica does?
But i'm glad you agree.. Even if sarcastically

[90LAN]

yes you are correct

there is a new trend in cars

ebaydm or ebayspec or fake spec or copy spec

put in next to the real thing it will always be at least 4 x crap

[DC2-PWR]

my mate bought tri y fake headers from ebay, design was crap and the gains from it was like - adding a pod fitler. as for the design, it hung very low and hits nearly every speed bump, on a mild low suspension.

genuine kiddracing RMF headers go for like, 500 , 600 new. best bang for buck header, even toda reccomends it.

looks the part aswell.

[Jccck]

yes you are correct

there is a new trend in cars

ebaydm or ebayspec or fake spec or copy spec

put in next to the real thing it will always be at least 4 x crap

I want Dyno proof to say a lucky ebay Header makes any less gains than a Mugen one.
Same design, same internal size.. Perhaps different collector design however?

It's hardly a trend.. It's called knowing what's worth the $, and knowing what ebay products aren't heaps of crap.

[dougie_504]

Even if you're right and the Ebay header is a competent 'replica' or a good product with R&D behind you OWE it to the original company for doing the R&D. A cheap ripoff company doesn't deserve the profits that belong to another company which is why a lot of wheel companies are going out of business - people who will do anything to cheap out and running them out of business by supporting the wrong manufacturer.

[hitoriko]

Even if you're right and the Ebay header is a competent 'replica' or a good product with R&D behind you OWE it to the original company for doing the R&D. A cheap ripoff company doesn't deserve the profits that belong to another company which is why a lot of wheel companies are going out of business - people who will do anything to cheap out and running them out of business by supporting the wrong manufacturer.

i understand this point but its not always viable by a $$$ stand point.

and price Vs performance - is it really good sense from a $ stand point to spend 1200 on a exhaust manifold when a copy one would sell for 400?

ill tell you now i work for peugeot and you can get a non genuine com2000 (switching block unit) for a 307 fot $400 its made in the same place, stored in the same wherehouse overseas and shipped in the same box (with logos and everything) if i put the genuine and non gen next to each other you wouldn't be able tell the difference the reason why we sell the genuine at 1200 is because we can say that this is a genuine part.

i know which i will choose if its a Name over $$$

[90LAN]

its called looking for the item i would rather wait and look for the real thing than buying a fake one at the same price
but end of the day you want to waste your money thats up to you

why dont you buy a fake dyno from ebay and test your cheap ass header against a good quailty header
thats right you cant afford the real thing so you wouldnt know
its not always about power theres fitment, clearance , design, longevity, etc

[hitoriko]

Everyone has opinions.

I know where you coming from 90LAN i get what your saying. 90% of items for cars on ebay are junk and i wouldnt use. Steering wheels, Harness', Suspension parts, wheels, brakes. But an exhaust header i'd give it a try - if it fails i'll buy a propper one - but thats me.

But how is it wasting your money of the performance and fitment are similar or the same as the original?
just because you dont get to say "i have a fujitsubo" doesnt mean the item isnt a good item and isn't going to give you value.

[hasto2770]

my mate bought tri y fake headers from ebay, design was crap and the gains from it was like - adding a pod fitler. as for the design, it hung very low and hits nearly every speed bump, on a mild low suspension.

genuine kiddracing RMF headers go for like, 500 , 600 new. best bang for buck header, even toda reccomends it.

looks the part aswell.

Post web links of genuine RMF headers at this price please all I found was $1199

[Foxx]

Mate try 5Zigen headers - I have one on my EK4 B16 and I must say I am happy with it. Picked it up for $500 its a recommended bro - As 90LAN said, fitment, clearance , design, longevity is the main factor when you're buying headers.

I will say, be patient, lookaround/search hard for a good quality header and i will find one - stay away from ebay stuff.

[Spoon SiRG]

Good brands cost more coin because of extensive R & D (Research & Development) done on the product.

Making sure it fits well, materials used, making power for the intended application.

Ex: Toda/ Mugen/ Spoon/ 5zigen/ Fujitsubo/ Hytech/ RMF/ DC Sports


Regarding EBay-Taiwan stuff, put your car on the dyno & find out the before & after result to find out if you spent your money wisely, or just burned it.

I predict the latter; speaking from previous experience.

[Jccck]

its called looking for the item i would rather wait and look for the real thing than buying a fake one at the same price
but end of the day you want to waste your money thats up to you

why dont you buy a fake dyno from ebay and test your cheap ass header against a good quailty header
thats right you cant afford the real thing so you wouldnt know
its not always about power theres fitment, clearance , design, longevity, etc

Technically i'd call a waste of money, buying the more expensive header that makes almost no extra gains.. That is the waste.
I'll buy a fake dyno, off ebay.. Sure.. Sounds like a plan.

How do you know i can't afford a 'real' header?
I have $17,000 worth of modification in the engine bay alone, of my CB7.
Bisimoto, Arias, Turbonetics, TiAL, AEM, RC, ESP, etc etc.. Brands such as these are used at every possible opportunity, and these brands are amongst the best in the world. Quality is a MUST in MOST circumstances, but in others.. It doesn't matter.
Do you want to know where i bought my Distributor O-Ring Seal? My Thermostat Rubber Gasket? And my new Vacuum Lines?
EBAY! Ofcourse.


Ex: Toda/ Mugen/ Spoon/ 5zigen/ Fujitsubo/ Hytech/ RMF/ DC Sports


DC Sports is a knock-off company, as is Megan and OBX.
Not to say they don't make GOOD QUALITY stuff! But if we're dicussing the whole, being fair to the RnD Company issue.. Then these brands are also excluded from the shopping list.

[Adrian128]

I had DC headers in my EK years ago... I have no complaints, or nothing bad to say about them. :)

[Jccck]

I had DC headers in my EK years ago... I have no complaints, or nothing bad to say about them. :)

Exactly, DC are direct copys from the brandname stuff.. As is the ebay ones!
DC Megan and OBX have brilliant quality control, so ALL of their stuff should be spot on perfect.
Ebay stuff lacks that quality control.. So your chances of recieving a poorly manufactured product are greatly increased.. If you're willing to take the risk, and it pays off.. Big $ are saved.. That's all i'm saying.
I'd buy a DC / Megan / OBX product any day, they're very reputable.

[nigs]

kiddracing are RMF copies.
PLM make Bisimoto copies.
AFAIK.

[90LAN]

[QUOTE=Jccck;3043860]Technically i'd call a waste of money, buying the more expensive header that makes almost no extra gains.. That is the waste.
I'll buy a fake dyno, off ebay.. Sure.. Sounds like a plan.

How do you know i can't afford a 'real' header?
I have $17,000 worth of modification in the engine bay alone, of my CB7.
Bisimoto, Arias, Turbonetics, TiAL, AEM, RC, ESP, etc etc.. Brands such as these are used at every possible opportunity, and these brands are amongst the best in the world. Quality is a MUST in MOST circumstances, but in others.. It doesn't matter.
Do you want to know where i bought my Distributor O-Ring Seal? My Thermostat Rubber Gasket? And my new Vacuum Lines?
EBAY! Ofcourse.



QUOTE]

so why didnt you get ebay stuff for your set up ?
would of done the same thing
would of cost you 4k instaed of your 17 k you spent

[hitoriko]

Technically i'd call a waste of money, buying the more expensive header that makes almost no extra gains.. That is the waste.
I'll buy a fake dyno, off ebay.. Sure.. Sounds like a plan.

How do you know i can't afford a 'real' header?
I have $17,000 worth of modification in the engine bay alone, of my CB7.
Bisimoto, Arias, Turbonetics, TiAL, AEM, RC, ESP, etc etc.. Brands such as these are used at every possible opportunity, and these brands are amongst the best in the world. Quality is a MUST in MOST circumstances, but in others.. It doesn't matter.
Do you want to know where i bought my Distributor O-Ring Seal? My Thermostat Rubber Gasket? And my new Vacuum Lines?
EBAY! Ofcourse.


so why didnt you get ebay stuff for your set up ?
would of done the same thing
would of cost you 4k instaed of your 17 k you spent

Quality is a MUST in MOST circumstances, but in others.. It doesn't matter.

I think that sums up what he was trying to say

[Adrian128]

IMO it's all about what you want, and how much you're willing to spend to get it. In my case, my EK was a daily driver, and I had no grand plans of getting 150 Kw out of a NA B16 engine, so I was quite happy not spending too much money for some slight gains. I knew I could have spent a lot more, and I would have gotten some more. In a lot of cases, people who spend a lot of $$$ on getting brand name parts would have gotten very similar gains by using lesser known (but almost just as good) parts. The only thing they can't get is the bragging rights with their mates by saying they have Mugen this or that. As an example, $200 cc DC headers, maybe 10 hp gain, $1000 ss brand name headers, 15hp... do you think spending an extra $800 to get 5 hp is good value, I certainly don't.

[Jccck]

Quality is a MUST in MOST circumstances, but in others.. It doesn't matter.

I think that sums up what he was trying to say

Exactly.. Your turbo, pistons, valve springs, crank bearings.. All 'need' to be quality.
Your 4-2-1 header on your otherwise standard Honda doesn't matter.

And 90LAN, i know you're mad.
But $4000 wouldn't have got 350kw atw, now would it?

[dougie_504]

Good brands cost more coin because of extensive R & D (Research & Development) done on the product.

Making sure it fits well, materials used, making power for the intended application.

Ex: Toda/ Mugen/ Spoon/ 5zigen/ Fujitsubo/ Hytech/ RMF/ DC Sports


Regarding EBay-Taiwan stuff, put your car on the dyno & find out the before & after result to find out if you spent your money wisely, or just burned it.

I predict the latter; speaking from previous experience.



Agreed, although I just wanted to point out that a lot of exceptional parts are in fact made in Taiwan, including some of the big-brands that you wouldn't expect.

[CAUSHN]

WOW...i didt think my question would have caused so much fuss LOL

well there are so many different opinions, ive seen all the ebay stuff and im not too sure about it. Ive never had headers as previously my engine had a turbo set up on it sitting in a Del Sol so i had a turbo manifold but after encounetring some dramas ive had to start from scratch with the engine and am looking for good headers for a lil gain yeah and to also have some nice sounds from it.

mybe ill get my new engine back to where i had my old one.

[hitoriko]

I dont think its fuss as much as it is a discussion.

Non gen Vs Gen is always a heated discussion as both sides believe they are right and both have legitimate arguements. ;)