03 Accord Euro Auto Whining transmission!!

[ved_07]

Hey guys been reading these forums for a while so i thought ill ask a question myself.

Bought a Euro 2 years ago and since i bought it slowly a whining noise has been developing in the tranny. Been to honda and they say its the tranny as well.
Its whining under acceleration and mostly through the first 2 gears.

Now what should i do?? Honda believes the only real way to see what is wrong is to take apart and go from there, they gave me a number of this transmission place in werribee. BTW im in melbourne, western suburbs.
I know it will be expensive but the noise is driving me insane, have a local honda wrecker which quoted 1400 for the transimmsion and 600 to swap it over.

Could i contact honda, is this something they are liable for?
If someone has any advice or had a similar prob some advice would be greatly appreciated.

[HunterZero]

What are the total Kms on the car? How many Kms have you done on the whining transmission? Has the auto transmission fluid been replaced with the wrong stuff at some point in its life? Have you checked fluid levels for gearbox fluid? You have to use the correct Honda ATF with Hondas. If the wrong gear oil was used, the gearbox will have problems.

If you don't know if the correct fluid was used, or if the ATF hasn't been changed for a while, then getting the ATF changed is a start.

- HZ

[ved_07]

Thank you for your response, i should have mentioned this.
The car is on 110000km, car had 75k when i bought it one owner and had a full honda service history.
Now there was a slight slight whine (barely noticable) when i bought it which noone thought anything of, but few months after the noise developed, at around 85k i took it to a auto specialist and had the service and i made sure they use the Honda ATF (which i saw with my own eyes). Fluid levels were always ok, im not a noob around cars so im always checking everything.

I dont think there was a need to service the tranny before i did so im guessing no one messed with the fluid.

As you can imagine im really stressing over this, firstly the cost to fix and i didnt think honda would have such a issue.

What do you think now? Thanks

[tony1234]

Thank you for your response, i should have mentioned this.
The car is on 110000km, car had 75k when i bought it one owner and had a full honda service history.
Now there was a slight slight whine (barely noticable) when i bought it which noone thought anything of, but few months after the noise developed, at around 85k i took it to a auto specialist and had the service and i made sure they use the Honda ATF (which i saw with my own eyes). Fluid levels were always ok, im not a noob around cars so im always checking everything.

I dont think there was a need to service the tranny before i did so im guessing no one messed with the fluid.

As you can imagine im really stressing over this, firstly the cost to fix and i didnt think honda would have such a issue.

What do you think now? Thanks

You need to go to an auto trans specialist and see what they have to say.I'd get 2-3 different opinions,then take it from there.To me it sounds like the clutch packs for 1st.and 2nd.are on the way out.

[ryaan]

hey i got the same problem as you before, whining noise at low speeds and gears etc etc, have you got the power steering hose recall done? cause the noise for me went away after that.. and even the honda mechanic thought it was a transmission problem

[tony1234]

hey i got the same problem as you before, whining noise at low speeds and gears etc etc, have you got the power steering hose recall done? cause the noise for me went away after that.. and even the honda mechanic thought it was a transmission problem

Hmmm.Interesting.Explore that possibility as well.

[ved_07]

I have been meaning to get that hose replaced, ill do that first then see. If not ill have to get few different opinions and go from there.
Does anyone think honda could be liable?
Cheers everyone

[Fredoops]

hmm are you sure it's the tranny? not the power steering?

Cause I had whining noises at low speed before as well, it turned out to be power steering hose leaking resulting in low PS pressure.

Had your car had the P/S hose recall yet?

[ved_07]

No i haven't had the recall done, im making an appointment today to get it done.
Seems like this whinning issue is common, ill get this hose replaced and keep you guys updated.
Thanks

[kryptonite]

I also have this strange transmission whirring sound.
Apparently already had my transmission reconditioned but the sound came back abt 6 months ago.

Hose recall is due tmrw - will get back if it is gone after this.

[ved_07]

I also have this strange transmission whirring sound.
Apparently already had my transmission reconditioned but the sound came back abt 6 months ago.

Hose recall is due tmrw - will get back if it is gone after this.

Would like to know if noise is still there?

Been doing a bit of research and it looks its quite a common problem with the acura tsx, im pretty certain they run the same
tranny.
Have a look at these forums:
http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/1st-gen-general-car-topics/48456-04-08-transmission-sound-here-wooooing-cabin-driving-around-30-70-km-fix.html
http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/1st-gen-problems-fixes/46519-whistling-sound-need-your-data-2.html

Some of them got honda to replace the whole transmission.

[kryptonite]

hose recall done but that noise is still present.

just to clarify, the sound i am hearing is like a CD tray loading but louder and faster.

[seattle0099]

I have same issue with you, kryptonite. I had done recall as well. noice still present. A mechanic in Honda tested my car and told me that the only way to fix this issue was to replace the transmission.

[Fredoops]

I have same issue with you, kryptonite. I had done recall as well. noice still present. A mechanic in Honda tested my car and told me that the only way to fix this issue was to replace the transmission.

Really, ouch.

[ved_07]

Done my power steering hose recall, as suspected tranny noise is still there. Got Honda to test it again and its def the transmission. I also went to a few different auto trans specialist and all have the same conclusion!! My best bet is just to get a replacement one instead of getting them to open and inspect as it would cost much more.

[Fredoops]

thats $$$$

[ved_07]

Most places i rang were quoting me around $2200 for tranny plus labour around 800..
But i found one place were the trany has done 5K and total cost of including fitting $2000..
Got to make a decision fast but Its got to be done, i could not even sell my car in this condition etc..

Do you guys think its a fair price??

[Fredoops]

Most places i rang were quoting me around $2200 for tranny plus labour around 800..
But i found one place were the trany has done 5K and total cost of including fitting $2000..
Got to make a decision fast but Its got to be done, i could not even sell my car in this condition etc..

Do you guys think its a fair price??

As long as it's the right tranny then it is a good price

[kryptonite]

can you post up a sound clip?

[ved_07]

Ill try tommorow but i only have my iphone to do it with so wont be the best quality.

[ved_07]

Ok i recorded me driving with my phone, not the clearest sound but listen carefully to the
supercharger like noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDp-fhl3dvw

[HONTUNE]

Hi, I am a Honda mechanic in Adelaide and we have had alot of euros with the same noise. We have always removed the trans and replace the bearings. We have even had some where the bearings spin in the trans case.. And torque converter shudder is very common.
The 5hh p/s hose recall is only because they have been bursting.. They don't cause any abnormal noise unless there is air in the system.
If you were in Adelaide I couldnof done the trans for you from home.
Hope it all works out. :)

[ved_07]

Got to ask did honda replace them for free or did the customer have to pay??
Thanks for your reply

[Fredoops]

Ok i recorded me driving with my phone, not the clearest sound but listen carefully to the
supercharger like noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDp-fhl3dvw

OMG it sounds like a old bus... it's the tranny for sure.



Hi, I am a Honda mechanic in Adelaide and we have had alot of euros with the same noise. We have always removed the trans and replace the bearings. We have even had some where the bearings spin in the trans case.. And torque converter shudder is very common.
The 5hh p/s hose recall is only because they have been bursting.. They don't cause any abnormal noise unless there is air in the system.
If you were in Adelaide I couldnof done the trans for you from home.
Hope it all works out. :)
gee havent seen u around for a while :-)

[SPQR]

Hi, I am a Honda mechanic in Adelaide and we have had alot of euros with the same noise. We have always removed the trans and replace the bearings. We have even had some where the bearings spin in the trans case.. And torque converter shudder is very common......

It sounds like a defect of manufacture. As usual, mug consumers have to wear the costs. Correction: Defect of design.

[Fredoops]

It sounds like a defect of manufacture. As usual, mug consumers have to wear the costs.

Honda's known for that shocking tranny, it runs too hot for it's own good.



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There's a really good reason that Honda didn't put in a temp gauge for the trans.

They'd have so many issues, even in warranty. One good hard run or very heavy stop and go traffic, in 2nd gear once warmed up, will get trans temps to 260 or better on a 4 speed auto. (V6) The torque converter, when unlocked can generate so much shear in the fluid that it gets REALLY hot. Since these units don't really hold that much reserve fluid, it's very easy to overheat them. The newer ones don't hold that much more.

On the 5 speeds, gears 1-3 have the possibility of this happening. And 3rd in the 5 speeds is the most heavily stressed clutch pack.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?p=484404

[Kay_lee]

OMG it sounds like a old bus... it's the tranny for sure.

Faah was just gonna say the same thing haha, sounds like a bus. hope you get it all sorted out with before it leads to other problems !

[falco]

I have a 2003 Euro since new (165,000k) and also have the tranny whining noise. All Honda servicing been done on time.
At those prices, I think I will learn to live with the noise.
Must be a problem with the early ones.

[Fredoops]

I have a 2003 Euro since new (165,000k) and also have the tranny whining noise. All Honda servicing been done on time.
At those prices, I think I will learn to live with the noise.
Must be a problem with the early ones.

Nope, read my thread on the honda auto transmission and you'll know why its doing that.

The factory service interval for the auto tranny is imo far from adequate.


It sounds like a defect of manufacture. As usual, mug consumers have to wear the costs. Correction: Defect of design.
nope, Honda was too cheap back in the 1970s to pay for the pattern for plantary gears so they designed their own and stuck with it.

[seattle0099]

I've watch the tube. Obviously we have same issue. Should Honda recall it? Sometimes, the transmission was overheat, because the inside of storage box in the middle of dash was always really hot.

[richard_k]

I noticed a whine kind of noise when I dab the accelerator at speed...this is on top of a bigger constant whine from my power steering pump. Is the 'at speed' whine just me being paranoid or is it normal?

[ved_07]

Thought ill let you guys know, my tranny has been replaced and now its running great no more whinning.

Although after driving lets say 20 min i can hear a different small whine, possible from the power steering pump as mentioned earlier.
Also to add to my frustration there is a creaking sound coming from the front end when i turn the steering wheel. One thing after another...

Doing a service this week ill get my mechanic to have a look.

Richard_k, have a listen to the video i posted if its like that whine its def the tranny. Mine was really loude through first 3 gears under acceleration.

[Fredoops]

Richard_k, have a listen to the video i posted if its like that whine its def the tranny. Mine was really loude through first 3 gears under acceleration.

The 1st 3 gears are the most stressed parts due to design

[richard_k]

Richard_k, have a listen to the video i posted if its like that whine its def the tranny. Mine was really loude through first 3 gears under acceleration.

yeah mate heard the clip, very distinct noise. mine's more of a howling noise at 100 and more whiney around 60. Must be power steering pump. The smaller whine is very quiet but definitely there when pressing the accelerator. Might be normal? lol

[Fredoops]

yeah mate heard the clip, very distinct noise. mine's more of a howling noise at 100 and more whiney around 60. Must be power steering pump. The smaller whine is very quiet but definitely there when pressing the accelerator. Might be normal? lol

if your car is no longer under warranty, put some lubeguard in the PS fluid and see if it goes away, if it is.... then is your PS pump lol.

[buddah51au]

Premature Auto Transmission failure comes down to lack of servicing & there are a number of reasons for this. Honda service intervals for transmission service is far from desirable, add to that genuine Honda ATF is apparently not of the highest quality, so it maybe better to look for a better quatity fluid such as Nulon Synthetic ATF which is apparently suitable for Honda's. Remember that heat is the biggest killer of any Auto Transmission & heat degrades the ATF stability. As I have said before, I change my ATF every 20K or 12 months. It is cheap insurance as well as a simple DIY. For those of you you who have done 50,000km + without changing your ATF I would suggest you consider a full ATF flush. I posted the following on another thread.

For those of you who wish to do a full Automatic Trans Oil flush I came across this DIY on youtube. It is exactly what we used to do in our shop, except that we drained from the return hose which means that the cooler is being flushed as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsdPAadc9fY

[seattle0099]

anyone know repare cost of this issue? where can i go to fix this issue in sydey??